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Alchemist's mix for maximum growth

Alchemist11 said:
Well, oral Trest is not so much, from what I've seen on guys in my gym. If I decide for Trest, I'd dose it 40 mg pre workout and 20 mg during the rest of the day.
As far as methyls go, I don't get much toxicity from them generally, I'd probably take a break for few days in between, but toxicity of these compounds in my stack is not concerning, at least for me
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I used td trest am and pm with oral pwo......very nice way to do it if an option.

trest and test suspension pwo would make for a great session 😎
 
Time for an update. So, today was push day (upper chest and triceps). To be honest, I was really scared to try to combine Tren and Anadrol, since many people get worst sides from those two. Luckily, in not in that cathegory. My training sessions are more and more intense, strength is going up really fast, and I look and feel really good. Proviron keeps things dry, yet Tren and Androl make you strong, full and vascular. I was scared that I'd get aggressive from both Tren and Anadrol, but thats not the case at all. I don't know is it due to slower, made for humans, Tren Hex ester, but I feel calm, really focused and good overall. I like how this cycle is going, can't wait for EQ to fully kick in
Workout
Incline BB bench press
12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 10 plus drop set of 15
Incline DB press, Seth sets
12/24, 12/24, 8/16
Incline bench cable flys
4x10
Supersetted with pushups on incline bench
4x15
Chest dips
10, 10, 10, 10, 8
Supersetted with machine flys
4x12
One arm overhead cable triceps ext
12, 10, 8
Incline french press
12, 12, 12, 12
Straight bar pushdown
12, 12, 12
 
Whisky said:
I used td trest am and pm with oral pwo......very nice way to do it if an option.

trest and test suspension pwo would make for a great session 😎
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I only have access to oral and injectable form of Trest, but that does sound like fun ride
 
Alchemist, how long do you wait between cycles? It seems like maybe a month in between your last?

Just wondering, because id like to slim up more for this summer but im coming off an 8 week oxandrolone blast and i dont want to over do it so anabolics remain effective.
 
You definitely need to give the trest train a ride! Can’t comment on M1A, buuuut, oral trest didn’t affect me, mentabolan treats me very nicely pwo. Currently running 450 trest, 250 mast and will use mentabolan soon for max days.
 
SkRaw85 said:
You definitely need to give the trest train a ride! Can’t comment on M1A, buuuut, oral trest didn’t affect me, mentabolan treats me very nicely pwo. Currently running 450 trest, 250 mast and will use mentabolan soon for max days.
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450 trest is a lot, hows that treating you?
 
SkRaw85 said:
You definitely need to give the trest train a ride! Can’t comment on M1A, buuuut, oral trest didn’t affect me, mentabolan treats me very nicely pwo. Currently running 450 trest, 250 mast and will use mentabolan soon for max days.
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450 trest? Fucking **** show us your tiddies
 
Smont said:
M1a only makes me stronger, not bigger. For this reason I only use it as a pre-workout. If I was to use it regular in a cycle I would in attempt to make strength pr's

Lots of other ppl say they blow up on it.

Because you're comparing it to oral trest I'm assuming u want it pre workout?
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Funny how orals act differently from a person to another because a lot of people claim m1A is the stronger remaining PH and it’ll blow you out... yet just like you it makes me stronger, Nice pumps but I just don’t grow on it. It fails miserably at putting mass on me. Anyways I’m done with orals
 
Joshinator said:
Alchemist, how long do you wait between cycles? It seems like maybe a month in between your last?

Just wondering, because id like to slim up more for this summer but im coming off an 8 week oxandrolone blast and i dont want to over do it so anabolics remain effective.
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I usually try to make 2.5-3 month break, my last cycle ended in January, and I started this in late April.
Just do more HIIT sessions and keep going as intense as you can and it will be good
 
SkRaw85 said:
You definitely need to give the trest train a ride! Can’t comment on M1A, buuuut, oral trest didn’t affect me, mentabolan treats me very nicely pwo. Currently running 450 trest, 250 mast and will use mentabolan soon for max days.
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You guys are now killing me with the opposite experiences lol
Anyway, I'll decide today whats it gonna be as soon as I dig some more info
 
Mathb33 said:
Funny how orals act differently from a person to another because a lot of people claim m1A is the stronger remaining PH and it’ll blow you out... yet just like you it makes me stronger, Nice pumps but I just don’t grow on it. It fails miserably at putting mass on me. Anyways I’m done with orals
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Yep, that's exactly me, strength and pumps, that's why I see it perfect for pre-workout.
 
Alrighty then... update time!
Current weight is 198.5 lbs. Bf is going down while strength is going up. This is bingo, at least in my case. Vascularity is getting better and better, pumps are insane and overall feeling is really good.
Today was pull day (back and biceps)
Wide grip front pulldown
4x15
Seated close grip cable row
4x15 plus drop set of 12
Reverse seated close grip pulldown on incline bench
4x15
Underhand lat pulldown
15, 15, 12, 12 plus drop set of 8
Db shrugs
3x12
Biceps
Giroda BB drag curl
3x15
Overhead cable curl
15, 12, 10, 12, 15
Incline parallel db curl
12, 10, 10
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Thing are starting to get serious and more fun day by day. Strength is constantly on the rise, I manage to keep intensity high with an ease. Feeling really good and motivated. Leaning is getting faster and faster. Weight is around 196 lbs. Today was push day (upper chest and triceps)
Incline BB bench press
12 (110 lbs), 12 (132 lbs) 12 (154 lbs) 12 (176 lbs), 12 (198 lbs) , 11 (225 lbs) , drop set 12 (132 lbs)
Incline DB bench press
Seth sets
12/24, 12/24, 10/16
Incline cable flys
12, 12, 12, 12
Supersetted with close grip push ups on bench
4x15
Standing on bench DB flys (upper back is higher of the bench)
3x12
Supersetted with low to high cable crossover
3x12
Triceps rope pushdown
3x15
Close grip bench press
4 x 8
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Back is finally getting thicker and making some nice progress. Yesterdays pull workout was really good, back and biceps and coming along nicely.
Wide grip front pulldown
15, 15, 15, 15 plus drop set of slow 8 negatives
Seated close grip cable row
15, 15, 15, 15, drop set of 12 with strong squeze
Reverse incline close grip pulldown
15, 15, 15, 15 (strong hold after every set)
Underhand lat pulldown
15, 15, 12, 12
Kneeling cable cobra pull
12, 12, 12
Neck raises under leg extension machine
12, 12, 12
Biceps cable curl
3x12
Incline parallel db curl
12, 10, 10, 12
Hammer plate curl on preacher
10, 10, 12-8, 10, 12
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Time for an update. Current weight is still around 196 lbs while bf% is going down. Strength is still going up. Today was, if not, the highest intensity I've ever managed to make, during my upper chest/triceps workout. Can't wait to try Trest.
Workout was like this
Incline BB bench press
6x12 (hit a PR 225 lbs for 12 on incline)
Low incline DB bench press
12, 12, 10, 8
Cable flys
15, 12, 10, 8 +12
Supersetted with push ups on incline bench
4x15
Standing on bench dn flys from behind the head
12, 10, 10
Triceps
Rope pushdown
4x12
Supersetted with close grip bench press
4x10
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You’re going for like recomp more than size right?! Great update btw. Things slowly but surely popping
 
Alchemist11 said:
Time for an update.
Today, I can say that I feel that all the drugs have kicked in. Vascularity, strength, recovery, intesity, drive and focus, everything is there. Weight is currently 195 lbs.
Today I also took pre workout with DMAA in it, to be honest, thats one of the best ingridients you can have in your pre workout.
Today was push day (middle and lower chest and triceps)
Flat BB bench press
12, 12, 12, 10, 4 plus drop set of 10 plus 12
Low incline (15°) DB press
4 x 12
Flat DB fly's
3 x12
Supersetted with plate squeze
3 x 12
Gironda chest dips
4 x 6
Supersetted with lower chest cable push
4x 12
Triceps rope pushdown
15, 12, 10
Wide grip on lat machine triceps pushdown
16, 14, 12, 10
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Basically regained everything and then some. Legs look bigger and leaner than ever

great work dude
 
Alchemist11 said:
Yes, but I'll try to put as much lean size as I can, while I'm dropping bf. I have everything I need for that, just need time
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You have the genetics for that. Only a few people can drop BF effectively while adding lean mass. And be knowledgeable enough to actually know how to do it. I still believe it’s a waste of your potential and time if you want my opinion haha. You’d gain soooo much more by going for a lean "bulk" while accepting you’re going to gain 2% BF or something. That’s only my POV about it though!
 
Mathb33 said:
You have the genetics for that. Only a few people can drop BF effectively while adding lean mass. And be knowledgeable enough to actually know how to do it. I still believe it’s a waste of your potential and time if you want my opinion haha. You’d gain soooo much more by going for a lean "bulk" while accepting you’re going to gain 2% BF or something. That’s only my POV about it though!
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Well, I agree, I'm really happy with my genetics and how things are going for me right now. BUT since I'm still active Volleyball and BechVolleyball player, that bulk could really mess up things for me, especially with my knee. But yeah, after I devote completely to gym, bulk with some fat dose of EQ and some NPP would be way to go.
Btw, how are you liking Parabolan so far?
 
Alchemist11 said:
Well, I agree, I'm really happy with my genetics and how things are going for me right now. BUT since I'm still active Volleyball and BechVolleyball player, that bulk could really mess up things for me, especially with my knee. But yeah, after I devote completely to gym, bulk with some fat dose of EQ and some NPP would be way to go.
Btw, how are you liking Parabolan so far?
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Ah ofc with other aspects like sports and performance then yes I understand haha.i didn’t start yet I’m 4 weeks off rn. Basically my cycle was 8 weeks ON 4 weeks off and then 14 weeks on and then 4 months off. I’m starting July 1. It’s a done deal tho since I finally purchased it yesterday haha. Still nervous but whatever. It’s funny because I’m nervous about my heart health on 200mg of tren but I’m not slightly nervous about it on 600mg of npp haha which is obviously as bad or worse than 200mg of tren. Anyways... for the tren cough I’ll dose my 76mg of hex with 1ml of EQ and 125mg of test which is gonna be like 2.25cc or something. Hopefully the mix of this all helps avoid the cough.
 
I would personally say that 1g of test you did was worse for the heart than 200mg of tren will be due to all that dht.

Interesting how you guys dont get cardio issues, @Alchemist11 while everyone else cries how tren destroyed their endurance.
 
CroLifter said:
I would personally say that 1g of test you did was worse for the heart than 200mg of tren will be due to all that dht.

Interesting how you guys dont get cardio issues, @Alchemist11 while everyone else cries how tren destroyed their endurance.
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Most people don’t know how to run nandrolones though. Of course tren has a negative impact on cardio but I’m sure 90% of the poêle who say tren killed their cardio and they could barely walk had shitty blood levels which were out of range and didn’t take care of themselves. Same for 19nors like deca and npp! If progesterone and prolactin is super out of range, no wonder why these guys don’t feel good and are gased out.
 
CroLifter said:
I would personally say that 1g of test you did was worse for the heart than 200mg of tren will be due to all that dht.

Interesting how you guys dont get cardio issues, @Alchemist11 while everyone else cries how tren destroyed their endurance.
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It was 800mg and I agree haha. Such a shitty cycle. Garbage and so useless
 
Mathb33 said:
Ah ofc with other aspects like sports and performance then yes I understand haha.i didn’t start yet I’m 4 weeks off rn. Basically my cycle was 8 weeks ON 4 weeks off and then 14 weeks on and then 4 months off. I’m starting July 1. It’s a done deal tho since I finally purchased it yesterday haha. Still nervous but whatever. It’s funny because I’m nervous about my heart health on 200mg of tren but I’m not slightly nervous about it on 600mg of npp haha which is obviously as bad or worse than 200mg of tren. Anyways... for the tren cough I’ll dose my 76mg of hex with 1ml of EQ and 125mg of test which is gonna be like 2.25cc or something. Hopefully the mix of this all helps avoid the cough.
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I think that you won't catch that cough not even once... Don't worry man, that sounds like nice and smooth cycle.
 
CroLifter said:
I would personally say that 1g of test you did was worse for the heart than 200mg of tren will be due to all that dht.

Interesting how you guys dont get cardio issues, @Alchemist11 while everyone else cries how tren destroyed their endurance.
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Well, maybe it's due to ester or maybe it's due to dosage or genetics... But I've never felt discomfort on Tren doing cardio or similar stuff. But once again, I've never went over 230 mg of Tren
 
Here are few morning photos, dry, without shyttone of carbs I consume during the day. Weight is STILL 197 lbs, I don't know how, but seems like recomp is strong this time. I annihilated back yesterday, and finished with Anadrol. Next on the list is Trestolone. I feel really good and workots are on the next level, strength also. Starting to enjoy full effect of Tren.
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Looking good as always alchemist! I love how everybody on this forum is going full bore blast right now lol. It’s inspiring. A true sign of the times.
 
SkRaw85 said:
Looking good as always alchemist! I love how everybody on this forum is going full bore blast right now lol. It’s inspiring. A true sign of the times.
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You mean an uptick in recent cycles started by AM members?

Yes, I noticed that too.
 
SkRaw85 said:
Looking good as always alchemist! I love how everybody on this forum is going full bore blast right now lol. It’s inspiring. A true sign of the times.
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Like a dogs released from a leash lol 🤣
Thanks man, making the best out of this, I'm enjoying it really this time
 
Guys, I have to say one thing. I'm really picky when it comes to my orals aswell as my injectables, but this Oral Trest is some goooood, potent and fun shyt. I dose it 40 mg preworkout with 25 mg of Proviron and 20 mg during the other part of the day with other dose od 25 mg Proviron and these 2 days are really good. I feel strong, more energy and sweating is increasing. But overal feeling is really good.
 
Alchemist11 said:
Like a dogs released from a leash lol 🤣
Thanks man, making the best out of this, I'm enjoying it really this time
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your looking good bro.

in my defence my cycle was born out of heartache, the requirement to look my best for the ladies and a desire to make sure my strength and aggression was peaked in case I need to crack a skull 🤣
 
Whisky said:
your looking good bro.

in my defence my cycle was born out of heartache, the requirement to look my best for the ladies and a desire to make sure my strength and aggression was peaked in case I need to crack a skull 🤣
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Always was under the impression you were an old buck married for years
 
Whisky said:
I was bro. Finding out my wife was fucking my 24yr old best mate and business partner (she’s 38) has the capacity to change things though.....
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That’s fucked up. I’m sorry to hear that. Wish there was something to say but there’s not. Life will bring you joy soon bro. Jesus this sucks
 
Mathb33 said:
That’s fucked up. I’m sorry to hear that. Wish there was something to say but there’s not. Life will bring you joy soon bro. Jesus this sucks
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Thanks bro. I don’t want to derail this thread but I’m cool. One of them things
 
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