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ax1 said:
I hope so, and Ill for that but it doesnt seem that way. We are starting to be in the prime of what is the American Cultural Revolution?

I mean they put a black cop in NY State from a local police station just for rapping boys have penisis and women have vaginas. What ever happened to BLM? Now dude is on leave and people are calling for his persecution. Well, some of the same people want the entire force gone too but thats another story.
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For the millionth time BLM is just about getting cops not to kill black people so often. It's not a movement to protect varying political/social viewpoints of black americans or anything else. I guess the name is confusing. As I've said the left sucks at messaging.

I think culture is continually evolving and I don't think the way it's evolving now is the end of the world.
 
nostrum420 said:
I'd be interested to see how black people as a community feel about these two. I have a feeling it would be similar to Candace Owens
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There is no such thing as a black people as a community, black people are smart enough to think for themselves and are capable of independent thought.

There are people who are black that joint a specific community, but that community by nature is not black, its just a community of people who joined it who usually cling to a particular ideology and politics.

Why cant the Hodgetwins the spokepeople of the "black community." You see these communities have nothing to do with skin color, its everything to do with political ideologies.
 
ax1 said:
There is no such thing as a black people as a community, black people are smart enough to think for themselves and are capable of independent thought.

There are people who are black that joint a specific community, but that community by nature is not black, its just a community of people who joined it who usually cling to a particular ideology and politics.

Why cant the Hodgetwins the spokepeople of the "black community." You see these communities have nothing to do with skin color, its everything to do with political ideologies.
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🤦‍♂️ I forgot you don't see color.

Anyway, the Hodgetwins are idiots and shouldn't be taken seriously on any topic.
 
nostrum420 said:
For the millionth time BLM is just about getting cops not to kill black people so often. It's not a movement to protect varying political/social viewpoints of black americans or anything else. I guess the name is confusing. As I've said the left sucks at messaging.

I think culture is continually evolving and I don't think the way it's evolving now is the end of the world.
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I think it this has expanded into other areas. Do BLM advocate for putting money into social programs in their community? If I have right my thoughts should be on spot, this isnt a cause but has been and will continue to expand into a complete political organization.
 
nostrum420 said:
I'd be interested to see how black people as a community feel about these two. I have a feeling it would be similar to Candace Owens
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Their popularity is due to the same thing that Owens is: white people feel safe by posting their opinions simply because they're black. It's the same thing as finding the one doctor who speaks against vaccines or the one scientist that speaks against climate change. People will ignore the majority for the single voice that agrees with their already made up mind.
 
ax1 said:
I think it this has expanded into other areas. Do BLM advocate for putting money into social programs in their community? If I have right my thoughts should be on spot, this isnt a cause but has been and will continue to expand into a complete political organization.
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Occam's razor; I think they're a group with simple, stated, goals and not anything of the other things you're trying to ascribe onto them.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Their popularity is due to the same thing that Owens is: white people feel safe by posting their opinions simply because they're black. It's the same thing as finding the one doctor who speaks against vaccines or the one scientist that speaks against climate change. People will ignore the majority for the single voice that agrees with their already made up mind.
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nostrum420 said:
I'm a racist for recognizing the existence of black communities?
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First, I dont think your a racist, I didnt mean it that way, but if there is a black community they only represent the individuals who choose to be a part of that community. One's idea that skin color or race dictates what community you belong to is in fact racism.

For exampe, if someone comes out as a spokeperson for Sicilians I will more than likely tell them they can go fuq themselves and that they dont speak for me.
 
ax1 said:
First, I dont think your a racist, I didnt mean it that way, but if there is a black community they only represent the individuals who choose to be a part of that community. One's idea that skin color or race dictates what community you belong to is in fact racism.

For exampe, if someone comes out as a spokeperson for Sicilians I will more than likely tell them they can go fuq themselves and that they dont speak for me.
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Right, that's why I'd like to know what those communities (and the people in them) think of these two.
 
nostrum420 said:
🤦‍♂️ I forgot you don't see color.

Anyway, the Hodgetwins are idiots and shouldn't be taken seriously on any topic.
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But arent you now saying the black community is a bunch of idiots now? Or you only are part of the black community if you cling to a specific ideology and political beliefs?
 
ax1 said:
But arent you now saying the black community is a bunch of idiots now? Or you only are part of the black community if you cling to a specific ideology and political beliefs?
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I'm saying these two individuals are idiots.
 
nostrum420 said:
Right, that's why I'd like to know what those communities (and the people in them) think of these two.
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There are millions of black communities, none of them speak for all as a whole.

I mean if you want to ask BLM community the answer is obvious. Its all political, not race based.
 
nostrum420 said:
I'm saying these two individuals are idiots.
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You think they are idiots because they have Conservative ideology, amiright? So by default Conservatives dont belong to "black" communities because thats not how black people are supposed to think.
 
yup...they must be "uncle toms" if they are conservatives.
 
ax1 said:
There are millions of black communities, none of them speak for all as a whole.

I mean if you want to ask BLM community the answer is obvious. Its all political, not race based.
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Yeah, that's fine, all I said was that I'd be interested to hear from them in regards to the Hodgetwins. I never said they were a monolith.
 
ax1 said:
You think they are idiots because they have Conservative ideology, amiright? So by default Conservatives dont belong to "black" communities because thats not how black people are supposed to think.
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No, I'd be interested to see how many other black people agree with them and hear their thoughts on these two in general.
 
nostrum420 said:
No, all conservative pundits of color have totally pure motives every single time.
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So all BLM members have pure motives every single time?
 
nostrum420 said:
No, I'd be interested to see how many other black people agree with them and hear their thoughts on these two in general.
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Thats fine but even if its 80 20 that doesnt make it "black thought." It makes it a popular and they are thoughts that come from a brain, not the epidermis.

Also, we would want to break it down to what specifics they agree or not agree with, they make various points. BLM makes point I support and agree with. I agree and disagree with things the Hodgetwins say, but I do wanna say they are giving good although vague advice to the poor community as a whole.

And at the end of the day why does it matter what "black" people think, why cant it be what American's think? This just feeds the division and racism. We are all the same, Americans....and Ill include those who came here illegally and want to be a part of this Country.
 
nostrum420 said:
No, I've watched various videos from these two and IMO these guys are idiots.
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They are good people and funny, they are comedians its their profession. They make good points even some are idiotic which Im often guilty of making. They got something upstairs.
 
Yes I agree. Those dudes are funny.
 

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nostrum420 said:
No, I'd be interested to see how many other black people agree with them and hear their thoughts on these two in general.
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Are you interested in hearing how many other white people agree with them and hearing their thoughts in general? Or is that concept of asking whites racist? Can we ask Chinese? Jews?
 
ax1 said:
They are good people and funny, they are comedians its their profession. They make good points even some are idiotic which Im often guilty of making. They got something upstairs.
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I disagree especially on that last part.
 
ax1 said:
Are you interested in hearing how many other white people agree with them and hearing their thoughts in general? Or is that concept of asking whites racist? Can we ask Chinese? Jews?
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On the topic of white guilt, sure I'd be interested in hearing various perspectives. Though, I think it's important to see color when listening to said perspectives. Particularly on this topic.
 
nostrum420 said:
I think they're people who took money to espouse a viewpoint.
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So your another one of those "sell out" people that whenever a black person has an opposing view with this claimed "black community" they sold out to institutionalized whitey.
 
nostrum420 said:
On the topic of white guilt, sure I'd be interested in hearing various perspectives. Though, I think it's important to see color when listening to said perspectives. Particularly on this topic.
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How about people feeling guilty when they do bad things and paying the price for it and everybody else being proud of who they are no matter what skin tan they were born with?
 
ax1 said:
So your another one of those "sell out" people that whenever a black person has an opposing view with this claimed "black community" they sold out to institutionalized whitey.
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Not always. I believe Sagaar Enjeti and Ben Carson are genuinely conservative and they are people of color. I think these guys sold out, though, yeah.
 
nostrum420 said:
Not always. I believe Sagaar Enjeti and Ben Carson are genuinely conservative and they are people of color. I think these guys sold out, though, yeah.
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What makes you think that? Who is funding them? And lets say a white guy is funding them, then you assume there is a white nationalist agenda to infiltrate the black community? Wouldnt that be racist on your part?
 
thebigt said:
how far would obama's political career have gone if he were a republican?
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Maybe he could have identified himself as white, after all he was in fact half white and been more open about being born in a institutionalized white CIA family and being Dick Cheney's cousin.
 
ax1 said:
What makes you think that? Who is funding them? And lets say a white guy is funding them, then you assume there is a white nationalist agenda to infiltrate the black community? Wouldnt that be racist on your part?
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You're assuming a lot of assumptions on my part.
 
nostrum420 said:
It depends on the pre-existing views of both parties.
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So you knew the pre-existing views of the Hodgetwins and have evidence of a white supremecist agenda financing and infiltrating their political and comedy act on youtube channel?

I mean this is a pretty serious accusation here and if you got something I wanna know.
 
there is the possibility that democrats are overplaying their hand. covid 19 decimated the economy and a strong economy is what trump planned to run on. i think the majority of americans detests the murderous cops, but realize the need for police.

i truly believe most americans don't support rioting and looting or the defund the police movement.
 
ax1 said:
So you knew the pre-existing views of the Hodgetwins and have evidence of a white supremecist agenda financing and infiltrating their political and comedy act on youtube channel?

I mean this is a pretty serious accusation here and if you got something I wanna know.
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I don't think they had particularly well formed political views one way or another and they are now making statements that will keep the money rolling. This is my opinion; I have not done investigative journalism on the topic.
 
thebigt said:
there is the possibility that democrats are overplaying their hand. covid 19 decimated the economy and a strong economy is what trump planned to run on. i think the majority of americans detests the murderous cops, but realize the need for police.

i truly believe most americans don't support rioting and looting or the defund the police movement.
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After what happened over the last few weeks Im calling Dump for another 4 years. He doesnt have my vote, Im going to fullfill the wishes of Elizabeth Pokihontis and vote Jo Jorgenson for President but Dump is going to win it.
 
nostrum420 said:
I don't think they had particularly well formed political views one way or another and they are now making statements that will keep the money rolling. This is my opinion; I have not done investigative journalism on the topic.
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But you assumed they are sell outs because of their conservative political views and criticism of BLM being counter as to what you think black people ought think.

So where and how was your opinion formed?
 
thebigt said:
there is the possibility that democrats are overplaying their hand. covid 19 decimated the economy and a strong economy is what trump planned to run on. i think the majority of americans detests the murderous cops, but realize the need for police.

i truly believe most americans don't support rioting and looting or the defund the police movement.
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I know you don't believe in polls but currently the numbers are on your side.

"Despite calls by activists and protesters to defund police departments, most Americans do not support reducing law enforcement budgets. Close to two-thirds (65%) oppose cutting police force funding. Just 16 percent of Democrats and 15 percent of Republicans support that idea."

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ax1 said:
But you assumed they are sell outs because of their conservative political views and criticism of BLM being counter as to what you think black people ought think.

So where and how is was your opinion formed?
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Again, you're assuming my assumptions.
 
nostrum420 said:
Again, you're assuming my assumptions.
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nostrum420 said:
I think they're people who took money to espouse a viewpoint.
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nostrum420 said:
Not always. I believe Sagaar Enjeti and Ben Carson are genuinely conservative and they are people of color. I think these guys sold out, though, yeah.
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No, you made a direct accusation at the Hodgetwins that they were sell outs without providing any evidence and admitting you never investigated the manner. So I dont feel like Im assuming anything really, other than that I saw you jumping to conclusions that 2 black men are sell outs because they have conservative views and criticize BLM. So to me it appears ...well ok this is the assumption, Im assuming here you are right that your stereotyping the way typical black people should think like and the aternative is that your a sell out. I mean Im using todays example with the Hodgetwins here, I dont understand why people like you are accusing them of being a sell out. It just doesnt seem fair to them.

nostrum420 said:
I don't think they had particularly well formed political views one way or another and they are now making statements that will keep the money rolling. This is my opinion; I have not done investigative journalism on the topic.
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I am misunderstanding you on my side? Or did you stereotype the Hodgetwins because of the color of skin they were born with not matching the typical political affiliations that you should think they belong too?

I mean where and how was this "opinion" formed that the Hodgetwins are sell outs?
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ax1 said:
After what happened over the last few weeks Im calling Dump for another 4 years. He doesnt have my vote, Im going to fullfill the wishes of Elizabeth Pokihontis and vote Jo Jorgenson for President but Dump is going to win it.
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not condemning the looting and rioting was a boneheaded play by democrats, but i'm not willing to give the election to trump yet---he is perfectly capable of boneheaded moves also.
 

There is a market on the right for people of a given minority criticizing their own community. They made money on this model and I doubt their condemnations of their own community are 100% genuine and in no way monetarily driven. I'd file this under healthy skepticism.
 
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