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Anyone worried if Corona virus keeps spreading the gyms will shut down?

personally I would rather see people wearing masks in cars, than seeing groups of punks just hanging out in Walmart NOT wearing masks!!!

Drove across the country today. It was very interesting to see EVERYONE wearing masks in upstate NY and PA then absolutely no one wearing one in OH or IN. I get Cuomo basically mandated they wear one in NY, but even the other measures that NY/PA took like closing every other urinal & sink to help with distancing could have been taken in OH/IN. It was actually pretty fascinating.
 
personally I would rather see people wearing masks in cars, than seeing groups of punks just hanging out in Walmart NOT wearing masks!!!

Drove across the country today. It was very interesting to see EVERYONE wearing masks in upstate NY and PA then absolutely no one wearing one in OH or IN. I get Cuomo basically mandated they wear one in NY, but even the other measures that NY/PA took like closing every other urinal & sink to help with distancing could have been taken in OH/IN. It was actually pretty fascinating.
 
Okay guys, I think we can all agree on one thing.

WTF at people who wear their masks in their car with just them inside 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
I’ve witnessed this 10 times 🤦‍♂️
They were probably at a store, hadn't washed their hands and didn't want to touch their face area before hand washing
 
As states reopen, the federal government just ordered 100,000 more body bags

Potential "catastrophic resurgence" of Covid19?
 
As states reopen, the federal government just ordered 100,000 more body bags

Potential "catastrophic resurgence" of Covid19?

germany relaxed restrictions - cases increased

Sweden didn’t lock down fully - have a higher death per capita than the USA and much higher than all their neighbours

japan relaxed restrictions - lasted 2 weeks and tighten them again

and so on.

unless a society adheres completely to social distancing protocols then there really isn’t a way to have a functioning economy and low death rate imo
 
As states reopen, the federal government just ordered 100,000 more body bags

Potential "catastrophic resurgence" of Covid19?
how about being prepared for worst possible outcome...original 'model' had predicted up to 1-1.5 million deaths in US!!!

your posts are to be taken with a grain of salt-trump be damned no matter what he does.
 
germany relaxed restrictions - cases increased

Sweden didn’t lock down fully - have a higher death per capita than the USA and much higher than all their neighbours

japan relaxed restrictions - lasted 2 weeks and tighten them again

and so on.

unless a society adheres completely to social distancing protocols then there really isn’t a way to have a functioning economy and low death rate imo
the protocols suck, imagine how many fewer possible infections there would be today if protocols had been MANDATORY wearing of masks in public places like walmart at least 2 months ago?????
 
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The way I see it now.... protocols, quarantines, lockdowns or not... in the end pretty much everyone is going to get the virus. At least until global herd immunity is reached, or a vaccine is created and distributed worldwide.

And since vaccines have their own problems with testing, delays, and potential serious side effects (look back to swine flu vaccine and increased rates of Guillain Barre Syndrome) that may not even be the cure we want or need.

This virus just spreads so fast, from China to every single US state in what... less than 1 month? We have been in a pretty serious nationwide lockdown for at least several weeks now, and the death rate is still averaging 2000/day. The rapid increases have stopped, and hospitals are not overflowing capacity... but its not like we are seeing a massive decline in the spread of disease and deaths either. Certainly not enough to warrant a total gov't shutdown that could ever be maintained for a year or more, and the economic domino effect that goes with it.

So at best, the shutdown did what it needed to do, saved hospitals from overflowing in the first big rush. But since the virus isn't going away, and its fast spreading and unstoppable... the best course of action now is to employ what we have learned so far about hand washing and social distancing, open up the country slowly, and monitor hospital capacity. The faster we reach herd immunity the better, as long as hospitals can keep up.

The latest numbers from NY antibody testing shows about a 1% real fatality rate (NYC has 20% antibody spread in random sampling, and corresponding 0.2% fatality rate). We can perhaps better that number even more as treatments improve.

But for those pushing for extending strict lockdowns to continue, for how long? What do you think will happen when the money or food eventually runs out? And won't the virus still be out there ready to start and spread again... whether in 2 more weeks or 2 more months? This virus will ebb and flow with our activity level and with the seasonal effects. Yes, there will be a second wave, and maybe a third. But what other than herd immunity is going to make any real change or offer a real way to once again resume relatively normal human activity...??
 
the protocols suck, imagine how many fewer possible infections there would be today if protocols had been MANDATORY wearing of masks in public places like walmart at least 2 months ago?????

But if the govt would have made it mandatory, people would have been up in arms screaming “But my FREEEEDOMMMM!” As if being mandated to wear a mask to help prevent the spread of a novel disease is some huge infringement on your basic freedoms as an American. Which, I get and acknowledge, is giving up a small small morsel of freedom.
 
But if the govt would have made it mandatory, people would have been up in arms screaming “But my FREEEEDOMMMM!” As if being mandated to wear a mask to help prevent the spread of a novel disease is some huge infringement on your basic freedoms as an American. Which, I get and acknowledge, is giving up a small small morsel of freedom.
But some places are now making the masks mandatory, so if that argument was valid then, I'd assume it'd be the same now? I do think the ball was dropped a bit there. Yes, we wanted to be sure that N95 masks and the like were reserved for medical professionals that needed them, but general masks, and even improvised masks, that serve primarily to protect others from being infected by the wearer, don't serve the same function in the medical/healthcare context, so what the general population would have had to buy (or just make with bandanas/clothing/etc.) would/should have been different than what medical workers would have needed. Now, I'm sure a bunch of people would have (and did I'm sure) buy N95 masks, but surely companies could have stopped selling these masks to the general population and only sold them to medical workers/companies/etc.? But I'm no expert, so maybe I'm wrong about something?
 
But some places are now making the masks mandatory, so if that argument was valid then, I'd assume it'd be the same now? I do think the ball was dropped a bit there. Yes, we wanted to be sure that N95 masks and the like were reserved for medical professionals that needed them, but general masks, and even improvised masks, that serve primarily to protect others from being infected by the wearer, don't serve the same function in the medical/healthcare context, so what the general population would have had to buy (or just make with bandanas/clothing/etc.) would/should have been different than what medical workers would have needed. Now, I'm sure a bunch of people would have (and did I'm sure) buy N95 masks, but surely companies could have stopped selling these masks to the general population and only sold them to medical workers/companies/etc.? But I'm no expert, so maybe I'm wrong about something?
the ball was dropped a lot more than a little...more like a giant iron ball the medical 'experts' dropped on the toes of the American people, imo.

imagine if it had been mandatory to wear masks in public places 2 months ago how many lives could have possibly been saved!!!

but no, instead of recommending it being mandatory to wear masks in public places, 2 months ago medical 'experts' were still saying mask were unnecessary!!!
 
"How not to respond to a pandemic"

Mar. 1: 2 deaths
Apr. 1: 4,780 deaths
May 1: 64,943 deaths

Number of deaths in South Korea: 250

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
 
And in OUR system of government it was determined that only the governors can shut down or unlock each state. You must be really pissed at that Cuomo guy!! Right?
 
And in OUR system of government it was determined that only the governors can shut down or unlock each state. You must be really pissed at that Cuomo guy!! Right?

That makes no sense at all.
You're now politicizing and adding ad hominem to the mix.
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Read below if you want the political response. (If not, that's my response)
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It looks like we have a problem of definition.
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According to that, they didn’t “lockdown”. But if that’s the case, why would they need to stimulate the economy? What am I missing here?

That's a great article.
What's your response? What could we have done differently then?
 
Same to you buddy.
Keep making this political in this thread, I'm sure someone will not say anything to you about it.

See the Dump thread for my reply.


No one cares about your political opinion and subtle jabs (you are horribly transparent) and thus no one will read your dump thread to hear it. We have heard it all, already. Even by accident.
So much venom and hate that you can't even keep track of where you are posting it. LOL

And FWIW - I also think anyone who uses the phrases "ad-hominem", "straw-man", or "Rogers Rules" to defend or deflect is a big phony.

Now carry on....
 
The other thread is about politics.
This is not. The point well made by Admin. That's why I'm keeping my political replies in that thread.
If you're not big enough to visit the correct thread and discuss your issue there, it's on you.

Carry on...
 
Same to you buddy.
Keep making this political in this thread, I'm sure someone will not say anything to you about it.

See the Dump thread for my reply.
right, calling the president of the united states-'Dump' isn't political?

wow!!!
 
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That's a great article.
What's your response? What could we have done differently then?
I agree with you; we should’ve locked down earlier. What I think is most interesting is South Korea didn’t make it a law to stay home because their people seem to trust their government more. To be completely honest, I don’t think our government is to blame for most of what we are experiencing. We, the people, are to blame for all of this. Our self righteous attitudes and so-called rights and freedom (just lulz on the definition of freedom) are to blame for the epidemic in America. The man who got on a plane to visit his parents while waiting for his COVID-19 test results is to blame. And our government (both sides) have to deal a population of people that are stuck to their political side as opposed to seeing individual issues for what they are (again, both sides). Lastly, all of these are just thoughts and I’m sure not well-articulated since I’m posting this between rounds of Fortnite with my kids! lol

P.S. The freedom argument drives me crazy, btw. I’ve been in plenty of situations in my life where freedom was truly regulated (Army Basic Training for example) and what we have in the US as a regular citizen is an overabundance of “freedom”. We are a nation of spoiled brats.
 
several farmers in my area have been advertising selling their livestock to individuals, and a friend of my wife and I went in half on a cow. we found a butcher shop that agreed to butcher it for a set price...we now have a deep freezer full of beef.

just one advantage of living in a small city close to farms.
The government is telling famers to destroy there animals and importing beef from another country for cheaper, I'm bout to look deeper into it. I don't like the sound of it. I've heard 3 ppl bring that up this past week but don't know where the information is coming from
 
There are allegedly mounds and mounds of potatoes that are rotting...
Let's make French Fries...
 
The government is telling famers to destroy there animals and importing beef from another country for cheaper, I'm bout to look deeper into it. I don't like the sound of it. I've heard 3 ppl bring that up this past week but don't know where the information is coming from
google- 'meat processing plants shut down due to coronavirus'. farmers are destroying livestock because there is no one to sell it to....should be able to get a good deal on a whole cow or pig. I suggest making sure you have a butcher shop set up in advance to process meat for you-it's possible the butchering could cost more than the cow.

I now have 2 deep freezers full of beef, chicken, plus some venison and ducks that my son in law killed last winter.

going to take grandkids fishing tomorrow, hopefully I can add to my protein stash.
 
We should have locked out EVERYONE way sooner. No exceptions other than Americans looking to return home, and then strictly quarantine them for 14 days.

Having said that, we wouldn’t be able to isolate ourselves from the rest of the world forever, and this virus isn’t going anywhere soon at all. We had to take it head on at one point or another and gain our “herd immunity”- sure would be nice to know if that even exists. Given the fact that COVID-19 mutates, it seems unlikely. It’s kind of like saying you're immune to the common cold or flu, and this will also be the problem with our vaccine hopes IMO.

Even if we come to a point where we get yearly COVID vaccines that predict pending strains...what will they base it on since we have no prior experience with this virus or it’s patterns...will it have patterns? Also, we better hope that the success rate in general is more significant than the typical efficacy rates of flu vaccines if we are really hoping for it to achieve “life as we used to know it.“

As has been said from the start, South Korea’s reported success stems from their ability to test masses of people. What I dont get is how these tests could have been very accurate since they seemed to have been done ”drive-thru clinic” style. Even in the acute care setting with symptomatic patients, these tests are producing multiple false negatives. There seems to be something else at play here, and I don’t particularly trust anything going on in that part of the world.
 
We should have locked out EVERYONE way sooner. No exceptions other than Americans looking to return home, and then strictly quarantine them for 14 days.

Having said that, we wouldn’t be able to isolate ourselves from the rest of the world forever, and this virus isn’t going anywhere soon at all. We had to take it head on at one point or another and gain our “herd immunity”- sure would be nice to know if that even exists. Given the fact that COVID-19 mutates, it seems unlikely. It’s kind of like saying you're immune to the common cold or flu, and this will also be the problem with our vaccine hopes IMO.

Even if we come to a point where we get yearly COVID vaccines that predict pending strains...what will they base it on since we have no prior experience with this virus or it’s patterns...will it have patterns? Also, we better hope that the success rate in general is more significant than the typical efficacy rates of flu vaccines if we are really hoping for it to achieve “life as we used to know it.“

As has been said from the start, South Korea’s reported success stems from their ability to test masses of people. What I dont get is how these tests could have been very accurate since they seemed to have been done ”drive-thru clinic” style. Even in the acute care setting with symptomatic patients, these tests are producing multiple false negatives. There seems to be something else at play here, and I don’t particularly trust anything going on in that part of the world.
you of all people know that the experts should have recommended MANDATORY masks for public places as soon as this **** hit the fan!!!

I don't see vacines being the answer, more likely drugs to treat symptoms to keep this virus less life threatening.
 
I am convinced we could have done a BETTER job of containment WITHOUT shutting down the economy, if medical 'experts' would have recommended mandatory wearing of masks in public places from the jump.
 
you of all people know that the experts should have recommended MANDATORY masks for public places as soon as this **** hit the fan!!!

I don't see vacines being the answer, more likely drugs to treat symptoms to keep this virus less life threatening.
Well I am not sure I know much more or less than anyone else in terms of the nuances of this virus, which we know relatively little about.

We do know these 3 things though:

1) China sucks

2) China needs to pay the piper

3) China sucks

In regard to masks specifically though, I guess I kind of have mixed feelings...
Generally speaking yes, I think they could have played a valuable role in the early stages if used responsibly by the general public. This means not reusing the same mask multiple times, putting it on or off with “dirty” hands, and constantly fiddling with it once it is in place.

Even if mandated early, I’m not sure enough people were taking it seriously enough (some still aren’t) to be accepting of that, and if they were- they would certainly be the ones to use masks in a half-assed manner that could put themselves more at risk, and then the people they may be in contact with who are using their mask in a less than optimal manner and potentially not using proper hand hygiene. On the other hand, they are helpful in containing a cough when in place either way, so that counts for something..

We have only had one staff member in our entire hospital test positive for COVID-19, and we are not doing routine employee testing. This is actually quite interesting...

She was somebody (we have many) who assisted in gowning us COVID unit workers with all of our paraphernalia, which was done in a fairy meticulous manner on both parts. If they touched our equipment after coming out of the unit, they would have to be gowned/gloved etc. They wore a surgical mask at ALL times, yet not an N95 or face shield if they had to do any tasks that put them in direct contact of “dirty” PPE etc..

Then again, she could have contracted it from outside the hospital. Nonetheless, I was called at home once she tested positive for having a potential exposure. When you spend your day job in a COVID unit sometimes less than a foot away from an infected persons mouth, that incident didn’t particularly concern me 🤣
 
Well I am not sure I know much more or less than anyone else in terms of the nuances of this virus, which we know relatively little about.

We do know these 3 things though:

1) China sucks

2) China needs to pay the piper

3) China sucks

In regard to masks specifically though, I guess I kind of have mixed feelings...
Generally speaking yes, I think they could have played a valuable role in the early stages if used responsibly by the general public. This means not reusing the same mask multiple times, putting it on or off with “dirty” hands, and constantly fiddling with it once it is in place.

Even if mandated early, I’m not sure enough people were taking it seriously enough (some still aren’t) to be accepting of that, and if they were- they would certainly be the ones to use masks in a half-assed manner that could put themselves more at risk, and then the people they may be in contact with who are using their mask in a less than optimal manner and potentially not using proper hand hygiene. On the other hand, they are helpful in containing a cough when in place either way, so that counts for something..

We have only had one staff member in our entire hospital test positive for COVID-19, and we are not doing routine employee testing. This is actually quite interesting...

She was somebody (we have many) who assisted in gowning us COVID unit workers with all of our paraphernalia, which was done in a fairy meticulous manner on both parts. If they touched our equipment after coming out of the unit, they would have to be gowned/gloved etc. They wore a surgical mask at ALL times, yet not an N95 or face shield if they had to do any tasks that put them in direct contact of “dirty” PPE etc..

Then again, she could have contracted it from outside the hospital. Nonetheless, I was called at home once she tested positive for having a potential exposure. When you spend your day job in a COVID unit sometimes less than a foot away from an infected persons mouth, that incident didn’t particularly concern me 🤣
before this covid crap started if someone came into the hospital where you work coughing and sneezing would they have been asked to wear a mask to prevent spreading to others?
 
google- 'meat processing plants shut down due to coronavirus'. farmers are destroying livestock because there is no one to sell it to....should be able to get a good deal on a whole cow or pig. I suggest making sure you have a butcher shop set up in advance to process meat for you-it's possible the butchering could cost more than the cow.

I now have 2 deep freezers full of beef, chicken, plus some venison and ducks that my son in law killed last winter.

going to take grandkids fishing tomorrow, hopefully I can add to my protein stash.
If I bought a quarter cow id take it to my cousin restruant, I've seen that kid do quarter veal, and whole pigs. He actually enjoys it lol
 
before this covid crap started if someone came into the hospital where you work coughing and sneezing would they have been asked to wear a mask to prevent spreading to others?
Yup, but such people are more willing participants to adhere to the rules because they are acutely feeling symptoms, and they want to be treated. In the beginning stages of this, there was more disbelief, and the true reality didn’t sink in until later. The suggestion of masks, along with guidelines/tips to make them optimally effective on both parts would have been a nice idea though.

Some of it may have been an effort to keep masks available for frontline workers as other suggested. More in regard to the surgical masks (that were also running scarce) than N-95’s it seems. The majority of people I see out and about have the same mask I have, which is a hospital supplied surgical mask- same we have always used.

On the other hand, I have never seen the green 3M N95 mask on anybody out in the public. This is the only mask we use use, and is the one you most often see on healthcare workers on the news etc..

Alternative masks/scarfs certainly could have been addressed sooner than they were..
 
I agree with you; we should’ve locked down earlier. What I think is most interesting is South Korea didn’t make it a law to stay home because their people seem to trust their government more. To be completely honest, I don’t think our government is to blame for most of what we are experiencing. We, the people, are to blame for all of this. Our self righteous attitudes and so-called rights and freedom (just lulz on the definition of freedom) are to blame for the epidemic in America. The man who got on a plane to visit his parents while waiting for his COVID-19 test results is to blame. And our government (both sides) have to deal a population of people that are stuck to their political side as opposed to seeing individual issues for what they are (again, both sides). Lastly, all of these are just thoughts and I’m sure not well-articulated since I’m posting this between rounds of Fortnite with my kids! lol

P.S. The freedom argument drives me crazy, btw. I’ve been in plenty of situations in my life where freedom was truly regulated (Army Basic Training for example) and what we have in the US as a regular citizen is an overabundance of “freedom”. We are a nation of spoiled brats.
Finally someone saying the real stuff lol! The PEOPLE are to blame. The AMERICANS are to blame. Look at what’s happening in the last few days... thousands and thousands of fucking idiots storming the streets... thousands of idiots at the beach... I’m not blaming all of the Americans of course because there is some very smart people there but there’s a certain minority that is ruining it all of you guys and whatever could’ve been done would still have been ruined somehow by your own people. reality is you guys just can’t fucking listen to anything... there’s a reason the USA is the most infected place in the world and as much as some want to blame trump for that and he clearly as a part in it, the people are the main reason.
 
If I bought a quarter cow id take it to my cousin restruant, I've seen that kid do quarter veal, and whole pigs. He actually enjoys it lol
I highly recommend you do this. I live in a rural area with lots of farms around and I am convinced a shortage of meat is coming. and what meat is available is going to be VERY expensive. like I said I have 2 full sized deep freezers packed to the gills not counting my refrigerator freezer.
 
I highly recommend you do this. I live in a rural area with lots of farms around and I am convinced a shortage of meat is coming. and what meat is available is going to be VERY expensive. like I said I have 2 full sized deep freezers packed to the gills not counting my refrigerator freezer.
I wish I could do this, but we don’t even have room to store that much meat! I may be eating more fish, which I would kind of like to do anyway..
 
I wish I could do this, but we don’t even have room to store that much meat! I may be eating more fish, which I would kind of like to do anyway..
if you want to live off fish more power to ya, but I highly suggest buying a standalone deep freezer and stocking up!!!
 
I got a decent stand up Freezer for $50 on Facebook Marketplace
Retails for $300 (He asked $100, I offered $50) It was full of frost.
That usually meant it was stuffed too full or things put in that are warm still.

It works great for us.

I can't see price gauging a fridge... only weights.
Just don't tell them you plan on lifting it repeatedly.... :p
 
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These herds of people protesting without masks are happening everywhere and it‘s just making things worse while showcasing their ignorance. It’s happening here in Maine too because they are upset that the governor has extended the stay at home “safe” order until June 1st. The only changes are that some drive in movie theaters, hair salons, and car dealerships etc, will be able to open under strict guidelines. Bottom line, it’s just another month, then “phase 2” of reopening will take place. Just shut up and stay the f*ck home (it’s not like we are all quarantined to our house) and be thankful that we are being spared of reckless action.

The original stay at home order went into place here before we had a big problem, which is how things should be done. Why wait for the inevitable to happen and then take action. So now people in this state look at our low numbers and don’t think there is any problem. We have a big tourist season here in the summer, and people are concerned about losing their business. While that may be true, we can’t be letting people into our state from hotspots like Massachusetts, or anywhere for that matter. It would make for a completely different landscape in terms of our numbers and ability to treat people.

Our governor is prioritizing the health of the people in our state, and our healthcare system/workers rather than our economy. Seems like the obvious choice to me. The people doing all the complaining/protesting don’t consider the significant burden it places on the hospitals and staff when COVID admissions shoot up even a little bit.
 
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How are y’all grocery shopping? Anyone using Instacart or Walmart pickup? Or just maintaining social distancing at grocery stores and avoiding the pigs? 😂
 
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