Anyone worried if Corona virus keeps spreading the gyms will shut down?

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from the reports and statements I saw there seemed to be some confusion early on as to whether masks did or didn’t make a difference with corona. Certainly the UK Gov came out saying there didn’t make a difference early but have now changed their tune and will make people wear them.

I think a lot of the reasoning was that it’s absorbed through the eyes as well as mouth and nose so a mask doesn’t stop you catching it. It does appear it stops you spreading it,

honestly it seems foolish not to suggest everyone cover up their nose and mouth from the off. I get the argument about lack of ppe but whether it’s effective or not using a scarf or similar has no downside and a possible upside......
like I said, doctors offices and hospitals have been saying to wear a mask if you have cough/sneezing/cold or flu for at least 10 years now, so they were fully aware that covering mouth and nose prevents spread of disease.

the was no legitimate reason not to recommend wearing face covering from the jump, imo.
 
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Lol, what we are doing now is undoubtedly not sustainable long-term in the name of preventing climate change.
Sustainable? no. I wish.
But how fantastic is it? Venice canals are clearing up an dolphins et other wild life are visible in numbers.
Elsewhere wildlife is coming to areas they avoided... it's pretty amazing.

Look at the skies!
I've never seen such clear blue skies, or dark and clear nights for the stars.
You live in Florida. What do you think?
 
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Sustainable? no. I wish.
But how fantastic is it? Venice canals are clearing up an dolphins et other wild life are visible in numbers.
Elsewhere wildlife is coming to areas they avoided... it's pretty amazing.

Look at the skies!
I've never seen such clear blue skies, or dark and clear nights for the stars.
You live in Florida. What do you think?
I live in Florida on the beach and I’m not allowed to go in the water...
 

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Okay guys, I think we can all agree on one thing.

WTF at people who wear their masks in their car with just them inside 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
I’ve witnessed this 10 times 🤦‍♂️
 
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If this is the locknown lifestyle that goes with the Paris climate change master plan, I think I'll pass...
not to mention the economic disaster that is coming....a trillion here a trillion there the government can't continue printing money like this forever.
 
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Okay guys, I think we can all agree on one thing.

WTF at people who wear their masks in their car with just them inside 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
I’ve witnessed this 10 times 🤦‍♂️
personally I would rather see people wearing masks in cars, than seeing groups of punks just hanging out in Walmart NOT wearing masks!!!
 
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personally I would rather see people wearing masks in cars, than seeing groups of punks just hanging out in Walmart NOT wearing masks!!!
Drove across the country today. It was very interesting to see EVERYONE wearing masks in upstate NY and PA then absolutely no one wearing one in OH or IN. I get Cuomo basically mandated they wear one in NY, but even the other measures that NY/PA took like closing every other urinal & sink to help with distancing could have been taken in OH/IN. It was actually pretty fascinating.
 
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personally I would rather see people wearing masks in cars, than seeing groups of punks just hanging out in Walmart NOT wearing masks!!!
Drove across the country today. It was very interesting to see EVERYONE wearing masks in upstate NY and PA then absolutely no one wearing one in OH or IN. I get Cuomo basically mandated they wear one in NY, but even the other measures that NY/PA took like closing every other urinal & sink to help with distancing could have been taken in OH/IN. It was actually pretty fascinating.
 
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Okay guys, I think we can all agree on one thing.

WTF at people who wear their masks in their car with just them inside 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
I’ve witnessed this 10 times 🤦‍♂️
They were probably at a store, hadn't washed their hands and didn't want to touch their face area before hand washing
 
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As states reopen, the federal government just ordered 100,000 more body bags

Potential "catastrophic resurgence" of Covid19?
 
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As states reopen, the federal government just ordered 100,000 more body bags

Potential "catastrophic resurgence" of Covid19?
germany relaxed restrictions - cases increased

Sweden didn’t lock down fully - have a higher death per capita than the USA and much higher than all their neighbours

japan relaxed restrictions - lasted 2 weeks and tighten them again

and so on.

unless a society adheres completely to social distancing protocols then there really isn’t a way to have a functioning economy and low death rate imo
 
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Pick your state.
 
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As states reopen, the federal government just ordered 100,000 more body bags

Potential "catastrophic resurgence" of Covid19?
how about being prepared for worst possible outcome...original 'model' had predicted up to 1-1.5 million deaths in US!!!

your posts are to be taken with a grain of salt-trump be damned no matter what he does.
 
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germany relaxed restrictions - cases increased

Sweden didn’t lock down fully - have a higher death per capita than the USA and much higher than all their neighbours

japan relaxed restrictions - lasted 2 weeks and tighten them again

and so on.

unless a society adheres completely to social distancing protocols then there really isn’t a way to have a functioning economy and low death rate imo
the protocols suck, imagine how many fewer possible infections there would be today if protocols had been MANDATORY wearing of masks in public places like walmart at least 2 months ago?????
 
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The way I see it now.... protocols, quarantines, lockdowns or not... in the end pretty much everyone is going to get the virus. At least until global herd immunity is reached, or a vaccine is created and distributed worldwide.

And since vaccines have their own problems with testing, delays, and potential serious side effects (look back to swine flu vaccine and increased rates of Guillain Barre Syndrome) that may not even be the cure we want or need.

This virus just spreads so fast, from China to every single US state in what... less than 1 month? We have been in a pretty serious nationwide lockdown for at least several weeks now, and the death rate is still averaging 2000/day. The rapid increases have stopped, and hospitals are not overflowing capacity... but its not like we are seeing a massive decline in the spread of disease and deaths either. Certainly not enough to warrant a total gov't shutdown that could ever be maintained for a year or more, and the economic domino effect that goes with it.

So at best, the shutdown did what it needed to do, saved hospitals from overflowing in the first big rush. But since the virus isn't going away, and its fast spreading and unstoppable... the best course of action now is to employ what we have learned so far about hand washing and social distancing, open up the country slowly, and monitor hospital capacity. The faster we reach herd immunity the better, as long as hospitals can keep up.

The latest numbers from NY antibody testing shows about a 1% real fatality rate (NYC has 20% antibody spread in random sampling, and corresponding 0.2% fatality rate). We can perhaps better that number even more as treatments improve.

But for those pushing for extending strict lockdowns to continue, for how long? What do you think will happen when the money or food eventually runs out? And won't the virus still be out there ready to start and spread again... whether in 2 more weeks or 2 more months? This virus will ebb and flow with our activity level and with the seasonal effects. Yes, there will be a second wave, and maybe a third. But what other than herd immunity is going to make any real change or offer a real way to once again resume relatively normal human activity...??
 
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the protocols suck, imagine how many fewer possible infections there would be today if protocols had been MANDATORY wearing of masks in public places like walmart at least 2 months ago?????
But if the govt would have made it mandatory, people would have been up in arms screaming “But my FREEEEDOMMMM!” As if being mandated to wear a mask to help prevent the spread of a novel disease is some huge infringement on your basic freedoms as an American. Which, I get and acknowledge, is giving up a small small morsel of freedom.
 
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But if the govt would have made it mandatory, people would have been up in arms screaming “But my FREEEEDOMMMM!” As if being mandated to wear a mask to help prevent the spread of a novel disease is some huge infringement on your basic freedoms as an American. Which, I get and acknowledge, is giving up a small small morsel of freedom.
But some places are now making the masks mandatory, so if that argument was valid then, I'd assume it'd be the same now? I do think the ball was dropped a bit there. Yes, we wanted to be sure that N95 masks and the like were reserved for medical professionals that needed them, but general masks, and even improvised masks, that serve primarily to protect others from being infected by the wearer, don't serve the same function in the medical/healthcare context, so what the general population would have had to buy (or just make with bandanas/clothing/etc.) would/should have been different than what medical workers would have needed. Now, I'm sure a bunch of people would have (and did I'm sure) buy N95 masks, but surely companies could have stopped selling these masks to the general population and only sold them to medical workers/companies/etc.? But I'm no expert, so maybe I'm wrong about something?
 
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And we still have the freedom to choose the style of mask we want to wear... even the Gadsden Flag mask.
 
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But some places are now making the masks mandatory, so if that argument was valid then, I'd assume it'd be the same now? I do think the ball was dropped a bit there. Yes, we wanted to be sure that N95 masks and the like were reserved for medical professionals that needed them, but general masks, and even improvised masks, that serve primarily to protect others from being infected by the wearer, don't serve the same function in the medical/healthcare context, so what the general population would have had to buy (or just make with bandanas/clothing/etc.) would/should have been different than what medical workers would have needed. Now, I'm sure a bunch of people would have (and did I'm sure) buy N95 masks, but surely companies could have stopped selling these masks to the general population and only sold them to medical workers/companies/etc.? But I'm no expert, so maybe I'm wrong about something?
the ball was dropped a lot more than a little...more like a giant iron ball the medical 'experts' dropped on the toes of the American people, imo.

imagine if it had been mandatory to wear masks in public places 2 months ago how many lives could have possibly been saved!!!

but no, instead of recommending it being mandatory to wear masks in public places, 2 months ago medical 'experts' were still saying mask were unnecessary!!!
 
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"How not to respond to a pandemic"

Mar. 1: 2 deaths
Apr. 1: 4,780 deaths
May 1: 64,943 deaths

Number of deaths in South Korea: 250

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
 
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"How not to respond to a pandemic"

Mar. 1: 2 deaths
Apr. 1: 4,780 deaths
May 1: 64,943 deaths

Number of deaths in South Korea: 250

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
What are the main things they did differently?
 
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And in OUR system of government it was determined that only the governors can shut down or unlock each state. You must be really pissed at that Cuomo guy!! Right?
 
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And in OUR system of government it was determined that only the governors can shut down or unlock each state. You must be really pissed at that Cuomo guy!! Right?
That makes no sense at all.
You're now politicizing and adding ad hominem to the mix.
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Read below if you want the political response. (If not, that's my response)
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As long as you opened the door. (Hold my beer) <- click here...
 
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.... or at least agenda. :)
Same to you buddy.
Keep making this political in this thread, I'm sure someone will not say anything to you about it.

See the Dump thread for my reply.
 
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Same to you buddy.
Keep making this political in this thread, I'm sure someone will not say anything to you about it.

See the Dump thread for my reply.

No one cares about your political opinion and subtle jabs (you are horribly transparent) and thus no one will read your dump thread to hear it. We have heard it all, already. Even by accident.
So much venom and hate that you can't even keep track of where you are posting it. LOL

And FWIW - I also think anyone who uses the phrases "ad-hominem", "straw-man", or "Rogers Rules" to defend or deflect is a big phony.

Now carry on....
 
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The other thread is about politics.
This is not. The point well made by Admin. That's why I'm keeping my political replies in that thread.
If you're not big enough to visit the correct thread and discuss your issue there, it's on you.

Carry on...
 
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Same to you buddy.
Keep making this political in this thread, I'm sure someone will not say anything to you about it.

See the Dump thread for my reply.
right, calling the president of the united states-'Dump' isn't political?

wow!!!
 
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That's a great article.
What's your response? What could we have done differently then?
I agree with you; we should’ve locked down earlier. What I think is most interesting is South Korea didn’t make it a law to stay home because their people seem to trust their government more. To be completely honest, I don’t think our government is to blame for most of what we are experiencing. We, the people, are to blame for all of this. Our self righteous attitudes and so-called rights and freedom (just lulz on the definition of freedom) are to blame for the epidemic in America. The man who got on a plane to visit his parents while waiting for his COVID-19 test results is to blame. And our government (both sides) have to deal a population of people that are stuck to their political side as opposed to seeing individual issues for what they are (again, both sides). Lastly, all of these are just thoughts and I’m sure not well-articulated since I’m posting this between rounds of Fortnite with my kids! lol

P.S. The freedom argument drives me crazy, btw. I’ve been in plenty of situations in my life where freedom was truly regulated (Army Basic Training for example) and what we have in the US as a regular citizen is an overabundance of “freedom”. We are a nation of spoiled brats.
 
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several farmers in my area have been advertising selling their livestock to individuals, and a friend of my wife and I went in half on a cow. we found a butcher shop that agreed to butcher it for a set price...we now have a deep freezer full of beef.

just one advantage of living in a small city close to farms.
The government is telling famers to destroy there animals and importing beef from another country for cheaper, I'm bout to look deeper into it. I don't like the sound of it. I've heard 3 ppl bring that up this past week but don't know where the information is coming from
 
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There are allegedly mounds and mounds of potatoes that are rotting...
Let's make French Fries...
 
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The government is telling famers to destroy there animals and importing beef from another country for cheaper, I'm bout to look deeper into it. I don't like the sound of it. I've heard 3 ppl bring that up this past week but don't know where the information is coming from
google- 'meat processing plants shut down due to coronavirus'. farmers are destroying livestock because there is no one to sell it to....should be able to get a good deal on a whole cow or pig. I suggest making sure you have a butcher shop set up in advance to process meat for you-it's possible the butchering could cost more than the cow.

I now have 2 deep freezers full of beef, chicken, plus some venison and ducks that my son in law killed last winter.

going to take grandkids fishing tomorrow, hopefully I can add to my protein stash.
 
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We should have locked out EVERYONE way sooner. No exceptions other than Americans looking to return home, and then strictly quarantine them for 14 days.

Having said that, we wouldn’t be able to isolate ourselves from the rest of the world forever, and this virus isn’t going anywhere soon at all. We had to take it head on at one point or another and gain our “herd immunity”- sure would be nice to know if that even exists. Given the fact that COVID-19 mutates, it seems unlikely. It’s kind of like saying you're immune to the common cold or flu, and this will also be the problem with our vaccine hopes IMO.

Even if we come to a point where we get yearly COVID vaccines that predict pending strains...what will they base it on since we have no prior experience with this virus or it’s patterns...will it have patterns? Also, we better hope that the success rate in general is more significant than the typical efficacy rates of flu vaccines if we are really hoping for it to achieve “life as we used to know it.“

As has been said from the start, South Korea’s reported success stems from their ability to test masses of people. What I dont get is how these tests could have been very accurate since they seemed to have been done ”drive-thru clinic” style. Even in the acute care setting with symptomatic patients, these tests are producing multiple false negatives. There seems to be something else at play here, and I don’t particularly trust anything going on in that part of the world.
 
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We should have locked out EVERYONE way sooner. No exceptions other than Americans looking to return home, and then strictly quarantine them for 14 days.

Having said that, we wouldn’t be able to isolate ourselves from the rest of the world forever, and this virus isn’t going anywhere soon at all. We had to take it head on at one point or another and gain our “herd immunity”- sure would be nice to know if that even exists. Given the fact that COVID-19 mutates, it seems unlikely. It’s kind of like saying you're immune to the common cold or flu, and this will also be the problem with our vaccine hopes IMO.

Even if we come to a point where we get yearly COVID vaccines that predict pending strains...what will they base it on since we have no prior experience with this virus or it’s patterns...will it have patterns? Also, we better hope that the success rate in general is more significant than the typical efficacy rates of flu vaccines if we are really hoping for it to achieve “life as we used to know it.“

As has been said from the start, South Korea’s reported success stems from their ability to test masses of people. What I dont get is how these tests could have been very accurate since they seemed to have been done ”drive-thru clinic” style. Even in the acute care setting with symptomatic patients, these tests are producing multiple false negatives. There seems to be something else at play here, and I don’t particularly trust anything going on in that part of the world.
you of all people know that the experts should have recommended MANDATORY masks for public places as soon as this **** hit the fan!!!

I don't see vacines being the answer, more likely drugs to treat symptoms to keep this virus less life threatening.
 
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I am convinced we could have done a BETTER job of containment WITHOUT shutting down the economy, if medical 'experts' would have recommended mandatory wearing of masks in public places from the jump.
 
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you of all people know that the experts should have recommended MANDATORY masks for public places as soon as this **** hit the fan!!!

I don't see vacines being the answer, more likely drugs to treat symptoms to keep this virus less life threatening.
Well I am not sure I know much more or less than anyone else in terms of the nuances of this virus, which we know relatively little about.

We do know these 3 things though:

1) China sucks

2) China needs to pay the piper

3) China sucks

In regard to masks specifically though, I guess I kind of have mixed feelings...
Generally speaking yes, I think they could have played a valuable role in the early stages if used responsibly by the general public. This means not reusing the same mask multiple times, putting it on or off with “dirty” hands, and constantly fiddling with it once it is in place.

Even if mandated early, I’m not sure enough people were taking it seriously enough (some still aren’t) to be accepting of that, and if they were- they would certainly be the ones to use masks in a half-assed manner that could put themselves more at risk, and then the people they may be in contact with who are using their mask in a less than optimal manner and potentially not using proper hand hygiene. On the other hand, they are helpful in containing a cough when in place either way, so that counts for something..

We have only had one staff member in our entire hospital test positive for COVID-19, and we are not doing routine employee testing. This is actually quite interesting...

She was somebody (we have many) who assisted in gowning us COVID unit workers with all of our paraphernalia, which was done in a fairy meticulous manner on both parts. If they touched our equipment after coming out of the unit, they would have to be gowned/gloved etc. They wore a surgical mask at ALL times, yet not an N95 or face shield if they had to do any tasks that put them in direct contact of “dirty” PPE etc..

Then again, she could have contracted it from outside the hospital. Nonetheless, I was called at home once she tested positive for having a potential exposure. When you spend your day job in a COVID unit sometimes less than a foot away from an infected persons mouth, that incident didn’t particularly concern me 🤣
 
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Well I am not sure I know much more or less than anyone else in terms of the nuances of this virus, which we know relatively little about.

We do know these 3 things though:

1) China sucks

2) China needs to pay the piper

3) China sucks

In regard to masks specifically though, I guess I kind of have mixed feelings...
Generally speaking yes, I think they could have played a valuable role in the early stages if used responsibly by the general public. This means not reusing the same mask multiple times, putting it on or off with “dirty” hands, and constantly fiddling with it once it is in place.

Even if mandated early, I’m not sure enough people were taking it seriously enough (some still aren’t) to be accepting of that, and if they were- they would certainly be the ones to use masks in a half-assed manner that could put themselves more at risk, and then the people they may be in contact with who are using their mask in a less than optimal manner and potentially not using proper hand hygiene. On the other hand, they are helpful in containing a cough when in place either way, so that counts for something..

We have only had one staff member in our entire hospital test positive for COVID-19, and we are not doing routine employee testing. This is actually quite interesting...

She was somebody (we have many) who assisted in gowning us COVID unit workers with all of our paraphernalia, which was done in a fairy meticulous manner on both parts. If they touched our equipment after coming out of the unit, they would have to be gowned/gloved etc. They wore a surgical mask at ALL times, yet not an N95 or face shield if they had to do any tasks that put them in direct contact of “dirty” PPE etc..

Then again, she could have contracted it from outside the hospital. Nonetheless, I was called at home once she tested positive for having a potential exposure. When you spend your day job in a COVID unit sometimes less than a foot away from an infected persons mouth, that incident didn’t particularly concern me 🤣
before this covid crap started if someone came into the hospital where you work coughing and sneezing would they have been asked to wear a mask to prevent spreading to others?
 
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google- 'meat processing plants shut down due to coronavirus'. farmers are destroying livestock because there is no one to sell it to....should be able to get a good deal on a whole cow or pig. I suggest making sure you have a butcher shop set up in advance to process meat for you-it's possible the butchering could cost more than the cow.

I now have 2 deep freezers full of beef, chicken, plus some venison and ducks that my son in law killed last winter.

going to take grandkids fishing tomorrow, hopefully I can add to my protein stash.
If I bought a quarter cow id take it to my cousin restruant, I've seen that kid do quarter veal, and whole pigs. He actually enjoys it lol
 

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