Tell SNS What You Would Like to See From Us (2020 Edition)

sns8778 said:
I think its very underrated as a libido enhancer. Let me know what you think if you try it.

And yeah, would almost have to be caps. Last year I did a taste test on something - I had played with the idea of doing a powdered version of M-Test and adding a couple things to it that would've required a lot of capsule space. The flavor samples tasted okay to me - not good, but as good as could be expected. Every single person that tried it aged 35+ that tried stuff back in the old days thought it tasted fine or at least drinkable; everyone under 25 that we had try it couldn't even finish the drink. That shows how much the industry is about taste now days; and I get it to a degree, I mean who wants to drink something bad, BUT I'm not drinking most things for taste, I'm drinking them for results so if they work, I can gulp most anything down.
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While I'm a bit more in the old school camp of when all supps tasted terrible and you had options between fruit punch and grape, and i go for effects/profile over flavoring, today taste is definitely how a lot of supps are measured. That's why OL Testify Pro was discontinued - tasted like dirt. That was bad enough though I had to cap it myself.

I don't mind having to down 8-10 caps at s time either though.
 
Segansational said:
While I'm a bit more in the old school camp of when all supps tasted terrible and you had options between fruit punch and grape, and i go for effects/profile over flavoring, today taste is definitely how a lot of supps are measured. That's why OL Testify Pro was discontinued - tasted like dirt. That was bad enough though I had to cap it myself.

I don't mind having to down 8-10 caps at s time either though.
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Im the same as you... it has to be VERY bad for me to care about the flavor... not saying I don't enjoy a great flavored product, and I would certainly choose one over another with the same effects, but effects have to be #1
 
Would be interested in :
Cistanche (water and ethanol extracts?)
Anacyclus (Again PES extract?)
Tongkat Ali 200:1 (2%+ eurypeptides)
Bulk Primavie Shilajit
 
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Yeah, actually if SNS could do LJ100 for cheap, I'd be interested.
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The problem with LJ100 is the company that you have to license the ingredient from enforces a pricing restriction to keep a company from selling a months supply for less than a certain price so they are the ones that actually limit how cheaply it can be sold.

For comparison sake, that's why we didn't use it in M-Test. We would literally have to have made retailers sell the entire formula for more than they do now just because of that one ingredient.
 
Wallet55 said:
Would be interested in :
Cistanche (water and ethanol extracts?)
Anacyclus (Again PES extract?)
Tongkat Ali 200:1 (2%+ eurypeptides)
Bulk Primavie Shilajit
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Cistanche is a possibility but would be more likely to use it in a formula.

Anacyclus is a good possibility but no one can guarantee it would be the same as the original PES extract when even they couldn't seem to replicate it themselves on future versions.

Tongkat Ali - its something we could look into if enough people were interested. See my above post for more info on the LJ100 version.

PrimaVie - we would be open to offering that as a single ingredient if enough people were interested. Great ingredient and very underrated in my opinion.
 
sns8778 said:
Cistanche is a possibility but would be more likely to use it in a formula.

Anacyclus is a good possibility but no one can guarantee it would be the same as the original PES extract when even they couldn't seem to replicate it themselves on future versions.

Tongkat Ali - its something we could look into if enough people were interested. See my above post for more info on the LJ100 version.

PrimaVie - we would be open to offering that as a single ingredient if enough people were interested. Great ingredient and very underrated in my opinion.
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Seeing that price is a problem for LJ100, I wouldn't mind a non patented extract personnally. Now, I dont know if it would sell as well.
Edit: Sell not see as well
 
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Wallet55 said:
Seeing that price is a problem for LJ100, I wouldn't mind a non patented extract personnally. Now, I dont know if it would see as well.
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I'll keep that in mind. We may still do an LJ100 at some point if enough people want it, we just can't discount it like we do a lot of things but that's because of the company that has the rights to it.

I'll also keep in consideration doing a non patented extract as well. I think we would definitely be including one in the libido product if that moves forward.
 
sns8778 said:
Cistanche is a possibility but would be more likely to use it in a formula.

Anacyclus is a good possibility but no one can guarantee it would be the same as the original PES extract when even they couldn't seem to replicate it themselves on future versions.

Tongkat Ali - its something we could look into if enough people were interested. See my above post for more info on the LJ100 version.

PrimaVie - we would be open to offering that as a single ingredient if enough people were interested. Great ingredient and very underrated in my opinion.
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Cistanche or lodhar bark + Anacyclus + horny goat week would be a nice stack :)
 
Resolve10 said:
Ya I thought it was 40mg active Amento per cap for PEScience. I do think I used to take 3 to get 120mg. I also used to love Komodo Katana pre-workout which had 100mg Amento.
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Another vote for an amentoflavone product. Used to love 400mg (20%) pre workout. Still rationing out one final bottle in my stash. Have a few scoops of Katana left as well....
 
sns8778 said:
If we do a product for libido, its going to be for the purpose of increasing libido/sex drive. Of course you hope that people get a fast effect off of it, but we're wanting to increase desire and performance and the ingredients that truly do that need to be taken daily for best results.

(If anyone would be expecting a spiked sex pill type of effect, they wouldn't be getting that from us. It amazes me the number of companies that are still doing stuff like that even after so many have gotten fined and people going to jail.)
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Duuuuude...............shhhhhhh you are going to screw up my ability to buy random unlabeled PDE-5 inhibitors OTC. In all seriousness all the FDA has to do to bring this to a stop almost overnight is approve OTC generic sildenafil and tadalafil. Who the hell is going to buy sketchy ass gas station RHINO 5000+ GRANITE EDITION when CVS/Walmart/Walgreens has the pharma quality option.
 
sns8778 said:
Yeah, and that was always the thing - the original always had so much better feedback than the other versions so if it was a different extract, why not go back to it? That's why I think so many people speculated that it was a different herb rather than Anacyclus in the original; I don't do the conspiracy thing + I really like PES; I just think that was what fueled the flames of those questions back then.

But that's the dilemma - we can easily offer a great quality Anacyclus BUT if the original was a different herb than Anacyclus or if it was a mix, there's no way we could promise to offer something exactly like it without knowing what it was.
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I used the Anabeta regular and I used it at least a year or two after it was released. It worked very well and I would buy a product close to it. I would think a spiked product would not remain spiked two years after initial runs, simply too much risk. As to why the OG seemed to work better than the elite: despite knowing the herb well perhaps the concentrated version in elite inadvertently missed something in the OG extract, or screwed up the ratios in the herb or who the hell knows lol.

I would buy a Anacylus but I strongly suggest you do some in house testing on the available extracts to make sure the effects are close to what people used to feel and experience.
 
BCseacow83 said:
I used the Anabeta regular and I used it at least a year or two after it was released. It worked very well and I would buy a product close to it. I would think a spiked product would not remain spiked two years after initial runs, simply too much risk. As to why the OG seemed to work better than the elite: despite knowing the herb well perhaps the concentrated version in elite inadvertently missed something in the OG extract, or screwed up the ratios in the herb or who the hell knows lol.

I would buy a Anacylus but I strongly suggest you do some in house testing on the available extracts to make sure the effects are close to what people used to feel and experience.
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I don't think or recall anyone ever accusing them of AnaBeta being spiked. The speculation back at the time had been that it was a different herb than Anacyclus, maybe even bc of a supplier mix up; not that it was spiked with anything. Either way, no one knows besides them and I like PES so I'm not speculating one way or the other.

From our end though, that's why I said we can offer a high grade Anacyclus but I can't promise it would be the same thing as AnaBeta because no one knows what that truly was, whether in terms of it being a particular extract or something else.
 
sns8778 said:
I don't think or recall anyone ever accusing them of AnaBeta being spiked. The speculation back at the time had been that it was a different herb than Anacyclus, maybe even bc of a supplier mix up; not that it was spiked with anything. Either way, no one knows besides them and I like PES so I'm not speculating one way or the other.

From our end though, that's why I said we can offer a high grade Anacyclus but I can't promise it would be the same thing as AnaBeta because no one knows what that truly was, whether in terms of it being a particular extract or something else.
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ask PES they will let you know the extract ;)
 
BCseacow83 said:
Duuuuude...............shhhhhhh you are going to screw up my ability to buy random unlabeled PDE-5 inhibitors OTC. In all seriousness all the FDA has to do to bring this to a stop almost overnight is approve OTC generic sildenafil and tadalafil. Who the hell is going to buy sketchy ass gas station RHINO 5000+ GRANITE EDITION when CVS/Walmart/Walgreens has the pharma quality option.
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Me? Why?
Because the analogues in Aspire36 worked better than pharmaceuticals
 
sns8778 said:
I don't think or recall anyone ever accusing them of AnaBeta being spiked. The speculation back at the time had been that it was a different herb than Anacyclus, maybe even bc of a supplier mix up; not that it was spiked with anything. Either way, no one knows besides them and I like PES so I'm not speculating one way or the other.

From our end though, that's why I said we can offer a high grade Anacyclus but I can't promise it would be the same thing as AnaBeta because no one knows what that truly was, whether in terms of it being a particular extract or something else.
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I do not think it was spiked just reasoning why I think it was what it was. If it was the wrong herb then damnit someone needs to find out what herb that was since it was awesome!
 
jh1 said:
Another vote for an amentoflavone product. Used to love 400mg (20%) pre workout. Still rationing out one final bottle in my stash. Have a few scoops of Katana left as well....
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PES got roasted for using amentoflavone in their products by The Hype some years back. It has poor solubility, high polarity and a high molecular weight which renders its ability to permeate cells very low, especially as commonly seen dosages. I think one study in rats showed promise at near 300mg/kg in rodents.

That being said, I stopped following the research after 2014 when no hype and mr.cooper were debating the research
 
sns8778 said:
I was looking through the versions of Anabeta. If I'm not mistaken, there was Anabeta Original and then 2 or 3 versions of Anabeta Elite.

I want to confirm - the people asking for an Anacyclus like Anabeta OG are asking for Anacyclus as a single ingredient product, correct? (Not a version with Lodhra and Cistanche.)

If anyone has or can find a bottle image, post it up or pm it to me - supplement facts and front please.
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Yes, my suggestion for Anacylcus (OG AnaBeta) is for the single ingredient product. The later versions called AnaBeta Elite with additional ingredients never worked as well as the original.
 
sns8778 said:
I don't think or recall anyone ever accusing them of AnaBeta being spiked. The speculation back at the time had been that it was a different herb than Anacyclus, maybe even bc of a supplier mix up; not that it was spiked with anything. Either way, no one knows besides them and I like PES so I'm not speculating one way or the other.

From our end though, that's why I said we can offer a high grade Anacyclus but I can't promise it would be the same thing as AnaBeta because no one knows what that truly was, whether in terms of it being a particular extract or something else.
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I'm sure many of us here would be happy to volunteer as lab rats if you wanted to get feed back from test runs of possible future Anacyclus extracts you might be considering mass producing.
 
Single ingredient high dosed and reasonably priced hylauranic acid product. At 250-300mg per day it is great for lubricating the joints and helps lessen the appearance of face wrinkles. It also helps lock in skin moisture especially noticeable in the face. It has good anti-aging properties to it.
 
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Jiigzz said:
PES got roasted for using amentoflavone in their products by The Hype some years back. It has poor solubility, high polarity and a high molecular weight which renders its ability to permeate cells very low, especially as commonly seen dosages. I think one study in rats showed promise at near 300mg/kg in rodents.

That being said, I stopped following the research after 2014 when no hype and mr.cooper were debating the research
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Yeah, I haven’t re-read through this thread but there was a lot of discussion here.

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Yeah unfortunately no one knows what was in discontinued supps like Appnuts amento product, wow best pre ever. Add of anabeta too. With a host of other products.
 
1) high quality grains of paradise extract at an affordable price. I don’t know what price point could be achieved but 40-60 mg per cap and 120-180 caps per bottle.

2) L-BAlBA

3) lean GBB

I prefer single ingredient but a combo of 250 mg L-BAIBA and 12.5 mg lean GBB would be good to go . Would prefer the GOP as a stand alone because clinical research suggests you need 30-40 mg of the active 6-paradol which would end up being like 240 mg daily.... I think y’all have said before that you wouldn’t be comfortable putting that high of a dose recommendation on the label
 
Rockslide said:
1) high quality grains of paradise extract at an affordable price. I don’t know what price point could be achieved but 40-60 mg per cap and 120-180 caps per bottle.

2) L-BAlBA

3) lean GBB

I prefer single ingredient but a combo of 250 mg L-BAIBA and 12.5 mg lean GBB would be good to go . Would prefer the GOP as a stand alone because clinical research suggests you need 30-40 mg of the active 6-paradol which would end up being like 240 mg daily.... I think y’all have said before that you wouldn’t be comfortable putting that high of a dose recommendation on the label
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Second the grains or paradise, because I know SNS would price this well.
 
Jiigzz said:
PES got roasted for using amentoflavone in their products by The Hype some years back. It has poor solubility, high polarity and a high molecular weight which renders its ability to permeate cells very low, especially as commonly seen dosages. I think one study in rats showed promise at near 300mg/kg in rodents.

That being said, I stopped following the research after 2014 when no hype and mr.cooper were debating the research
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Yeah, I remember the discussion. Both No Hype and Coop are far more knowledgeable than me, but from an n=1 perspective, I noticed a definite response to amentoflavone
 
Iwilleattuna said:
A single urolithin b product.
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We have thought about this for a long time. One big issue there is that I'm not 100% sold on the effectiveness of Urolithin B. So if we offered it, it would be one of those things where it was like - hey, here it is - this is what companies claim it does, let us know what you think - rather than us hyping it and making a lot of claims on it. I hope that makes sense. If enough people are interested, I'm up for it.
 
The more I read about laxo and the more it seem for it to be effective you need some androgen so a laxo + Anacyclus extract product would be good!
 
ELROCK said:
Single ingredient high dosed and reasonably priced hylauranic acid product. At 250-300mg per day it is great for lubricating the joints and helps lessen the appearance of face wrinkles. It also helps lock in skin moisture especially noticeable in the face. It has good anti-aging properties to it.
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Good suggestion. I'll look into how competitively priced we can be with one. I haven't looked at what other companies were doing dosage wise.
 
Jiigzz said:
PES got roasted for using amentoflavone in their products by The Hype some years back. It has poor solubility, high polarity and a high molecular weight which renders its ability to permeate cells very low, especially as commonly seen dosages. I think one study in rats showed promise at near 300mg/kg in rodents.

That being said, I stopped following the research after 2014 when no hype and mr.cooper were debating the research
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That's why we never did one before. But even back then, something I always thought was interesting is that they were debating the science on something that had such great feedback from so many people and the results on the pumps and erection purposes were something that couldn't/wouldn't have been placebo but for so long. I even knew some older people that used it just for erection purposes and liked it.

I love sitting back and watching ingredient science get debated but sometimes I feel common sense gets overlooked when you have something with solid feedback on it and its getting torn apart bc of science. But then again, I think that's why sometimes companies shouldn't make so many claims on things. Rather than try to over science it, for example just saying - customer feedback includes great pumps and improved erection quality. I think Coop making it so super sciencey at the time kind of set him up to be debated on it. I hope that makes sense.
 
jh1 said:
Yeah, I remember the discussion. Both No Hype and Coop are far more knowledgeable than me, but from an n=1 perspective, I noticed a definite response to amentoflavone
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Great post and that's what I just alluded to above. While the science could have been debated endlessly, real world feedback on the ingredient was that it seemed to work very well for a lot of people.

I love science, but I've had things that science said should work great not work for me and things that the science was questionable on work great for me. I think the lesson is to of course look at the science but also to listen to and pay attention to real world feedback and your own body and results.
 
Rockslide said:
1) high quality grains of paradise extract at an affordable price. I don’t know what price point could be achieved but 40-60 mg per cap and 120-180 caps per bottle.

2) L-BAlBA

3) lean GBB

I prefer single ingredient but a combo of 250 mg L-BAIBA and 12.5 mg lean GBB would be good to go . Would prefer the GOP as a stand alone because clinical research suggests you need 30-40 mg of the active 6-paradol which would end up being like 240 mg daily.... I think y’all have said before that you wouldn’t be comfortable putting that high of a dose recommendation on the label
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1) I think you'll be very happy in the near future :)

2) I've read some on that. So far, I think there's only one supplier that claims to have a really stable source. I'd like to see some feedback on theirs before using it in anything. Definitely will keep eyes on it.

3) GBB is something I liked but we haven't been asked for. If its something enough people would be interested in, we'd be glad to do it.
 
Segansational said:
Second the grains or paradise, because I know SNS would price this well.
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I'll go ahead and confirm that we are making one of these. I won't give out product details yet but I think everyone will be very happy with the dosage and price point.
 
alvin1 said:
The more I read about laxo and the more it seem for it to be effective you need some androgen so a laxo + Anacyclus extract product would be good!
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If we do an Anacyclus, odds are it will be as a single ingredient product bc the dosage is so high.

Laxogenin - I'm open to the idea but the hype on it has always just seemed to be more the driver on it than the feedback on it. I'm open to doing one if enough people want one though.
 
sns8778 said:
I'll go ahead and confirm that we are making one of these. I won't give out product details yet but I think everyone will be very happy with the dosage and price point.
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i love the Paradoxine in leanedgeXT .. think a solo would stack well with Capsimax wink wink
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
i love the Paradoxine in leanedgeXT .. think a solo would stack well with Capsimax wink wink
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We were going to do a Capsimax single ingredient at one time but the company that owns the rights to Capsimax won't let you call a single ingredient product just Capsimax as the actual product name. So would have to name it something else which seems to kind of defeat the purpose if someones looking for Capsimax by name. We may still do one but that's what kind of put that project on the back burner.
 
sns8778 said:
We were going to do a Capsimax single ingredient at one time but the company that owns the rights to Capsimax won't let you call a single ingredient product just Capsimax as the actual product name. So would have to name it something else which seems to kind of defeat the purpose if someones looking for Capsimax by name. We may still do one but that's what kind of put that project on the back burner.
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Red Hot Chili Peppers XT
 
sns8778 said:
We have thought about this for a long time. One big issue there is that I'm not 100% sold on the effectiveness of Urolithin B. So if we offered it, it would be one of those things where it was like - hey, here it is - this is what companies claim it does, let us know what you think - rather than us hyping it and making a lot of claims on it. I hope that makes sense. If enough people are interested, I'm up for it.
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Yeah, totally understand and I would love to see you guys make it. I’ve wanted to put a pure version to the test
 
CATdiesel76 said:
Arginine or sodium ursolic acid caps like PA used to sell on prototype so we can stack with the spray
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I haven't followed that ingredient very closely. I thought that the oral bioavailability was an issue with doing capsules?
 
Wallet55 said:
For amentoflavone, can't absorption enhancers be used? Cyclyo dextrin, Bioperine, phytosome?
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Bioperine and AstraGin could certainly be used.

Cyclodextrins - in my opinion someone will probably do it as a sales pitch but I don't think it would add anything to the ingredient in this case.

Creating a true phytosomal is very expensive. A lot of what you see companies doing is throwing ingredients over in products but not actually bonding the ingredients. The process of creating a true phytosomal would cost more per kg. than Amentoflavone costs per kg. itself just to give you an idea.
 
semtex said:
Didn't see anything from laxogen or Urolithin B
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did you use pure uro b ? Ep1logue had such a crazy drying/anti e effect. Other members stated this and it's definitely not the epicatechin so were thinking it was the uro b

perfect for precontes but I hate going through 2-3 bottles of ep1logue just to get the effect
 
Iwilleattuna said:
did you use pure uro b ? Ep1logue had such a crazy drying/anti e effect. Other members stated this and it's definitely not the epicatechin so were thinking it was the uro b

perfect for precontes but I hate going through 2-3 bottles of ep1logue just to get the effect
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Massacr3 has laxo and uro b and I did use lithos and I think I saw more fullness but that was 6 months ago so I'm not 100% sure
 
sns8778 said:
We were going to do a Capsimax single ingredient at one time but the company that owns the rights to Capsimax won't let you call a single ingredient product just Capsimax as the actual product name. So would have to name it something else which seems to kind of defeat the purpose if someones looking for Capsimax by name. We may still do one but that's what kind of put that project on the back burner.
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can you name it Caps-E-Max ha?
 
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