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Natty stack - any good?

M.I.D

M.I.D

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Hi guys,

looking to run an 8 week natty stack as a bit of a bulk and gain cycle.

I am thinking possibly all or 3 of the below
Anabolic effect
Vector
Mass max xt
BMP

I have been away from supplements for a while so all comments welcome

cheers
 
M.I.D said:
Hi guys,

looking to run an 8 week natty stack as a bit of a bulk and gain cycle.

I am thinking possibly all or 3 of the below
Anabolic effect
Vector
Mass max xt
BMP

I have been away from supplements for a while so all comments welcome

cheers
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Wouldn't run Vector and Anabolic Effect together because of the ingredient overlap.
But Vector, BMP, and Follidrone 2.0 would be a great Natty stack.
 
ValiantThor08 said:
Wouldn't run Vector and Anabolic Effect together because of the ingredient overlap.
But Vector, BMP, and Follidrone 2.0 would be a great Natty stack.
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I will agree with the above or AE and BMP would be a nice stack.
 
Yeah drop vector or AE .. look at the label and see which one is more complete.

AE wins for me hands down, you get way more then what you pay for .
 
M.I.D said:
Hi guys,

looking to run an 8 week natty stack as a bit of a bulk and gain cycle.

I am thinking possibly all or 3 of the below
Anabolic effect
Vector
Mass max xt
BMP

I have been away from supplements for a while so all comments welcome

cheers
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if i were you i would stack anabolic effect with x gels ! epic stack
 
Resolve10 said:
No need to stack a ton of things, especially if you haven't been using stuff in a while.

Anabolic Effect would be my top choice out of that list, pretty loaded powerhouse to help improve recovery, performance, with some pretty solid pumps and muscle fullness.

Out of your list I'd say BMP would be my next choice as something to use or to add on.

CEL Epi-plex also stacks with Anabolic Effect quite well and is one of the highest dosed, non-prop blended Epicatechin on the market.

Again don't feel the need to stack so many things, use the more basic products of Creatine, maybe a pre-workout and intra-workout if needed, and 1 or 2 of the above and with a solid training plan and the right eating you'll grow.
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Agree epiplex + anabolic effect would be sick

If you have done xgels or any ara before then I agree anabolic effect + Xgels makes a wicked combo too
 
bmp or mtest + AE or Vector, and if you really wanna get wild throw in ARA. But like others said, not necessary to stack a lot of things.
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
If you have done xgels or any ara before then I agree anabolic effect + Xgels makes a wicked combo too
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Agreed this is a nice stack as well! I use to be a big fan of anabeta elite and x gels. Not AE and X gels is another hard to beat stack!
 
thanks guys. Have been training for years and done many pro hormone cycles as well as natty stacks... just been out of things for a year with shoulder injury... now fully recovered so looking to put some mass back on and try stay natty if poss.

I have tried x gels before but seem to remember I got very bad joints from it
 
LeanEngineer said:
Agreed this is a nice stack as well! I use to be a big fan of anabeta elite and x gels. Not AE and X gels is another hard to beat stack!
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Abe was well put together but im sure lodhra and Anacyclus were very well underdosed due to being in a prop blend.

hopefully we will see SNS come out with solo ingridents of those.
 
Resolve10 said:
No need to stack a ton of things, especially if you haven't been using stuff in a while.

Anabolic Effect would be my top choice out of that list, pretty loaded powerhouse to help improve recovery, performance, with some pretty solid pumps and muscle fullness.

Out of your list I'd say BMP would be my next choice as something to use or to add on.

CEL Epi-plex also stacks with Anabolic Effect quite well and is one of the highest dosed, non-prop blended Epicatechin on the market.

Again don't feel the need to stack so many things, use the more basic products of Creatine, maybe a pre-workout and intra-workout if needed, and 1 or 2 of the above and with a solid training plan and the right eating you'll grow.
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If I remember correctly, Ep1logue is you’re preferred non-prop blended Epicatechin product on the market ?
 
AndroRage said:
If I remember correctly, Ep1logue is you’re preferred non-prop blended Epicatechin product on the market ?
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How should Epicatechin be dosed? Every day or or preworkout only? asking because there are products that suggest only pre/around workout dosing like MOAB (Redcon) and others like Ep1logue is supposed to be dosed daily?
 
Epi-plex is the real solo -epi product out there with 300mg
 
+1 on xgels for a natty stack, running them right now and the pumps, vascularity and work capacity is absolutely awesome. Most say they get ridiculous DOMS the next day but I dare say my recovery seemed to improve and reduce DOMS
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
Abe was well put together but im sure lodhra and Anacyclus were very well underdosed due to being in a prop blend.

hopefully we will see SNS come out with solo ingridents of those.
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Agreed! That would be awesome if SNS does come out with solo ingredients of those.
 
We have 3 natural anabolics coming soon within the month. Check us out on IG @abformulations or Abformulations.net
 
halfhuman said:
We have 3 natural anabolics coming soon within the month. Check us out on IG @abformulations or Abformulations.net
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Who is "We" ? is this affiliated with BLR

just checked .. interested in mTOR .. i take it PA ?
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
Who is "We" ? is this affiliated with BLR

just checked .. interested in mTOR .. i take it PA ?
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No it’s not. This is my company.

Yes that’s in the works but it’s about 3rd in line.

I have a Ara product coming first. Alongside our fat burner carved which drops next week
 
halfhuman said:
No it’s not. This is my company.

Yes that’s in the works but it’s about 3rd in line.

I have a Ara product coming first. Alongside our fat burner carved which drops next week
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very nice, looking fwd to whats in store .. bets of luck.
 
halfhuman said:
Check out site out Abformulations.net we have two amazing muscle builders.
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I see your new product arise. Interesting formula but I have a question about the inclusion of curcumonoids alongside ara. It's my understanding these things should be taken apart from each other as one is pro inflammatory and one is anti?
 
ironkill said:
I see your new product arise. Interesting formula but I have a question about the inclusion of curcumonoids alongside ara. It's my understanding these things should be taken apart from each other as one is pro inflammatory and one is anti?
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Yes, and no.

With Curcumonoids it’s more for slowing the aging process and preventing Alzheimer's disease and potentially depression, which also may help more on treating conditions like inflammatory bowel disease, pancreatitis, and arthritis. So no real interaction with the two.

You want to avoid fatty acids in the lines of omega 3’s

Curcumonoids is unlikely to give you the desired anti-inflammatory effects one desires. We added this to offset DOMS but still get the effects and benefits of curcumin.

Arise is something else I tell you.
 
abformulations said:
No it’s not. This is my company.

Yes that’s in the works but it’s about 3rd in line.

I have a Ara product coming first. Alongside our fat burner carved which drops next week
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Interesting formulas. Would love some feedback on these once they become available.
 
abformulations said:
No it’s not. This is my company.

Yes that’s in the works but it’s about 3rd in line.

I have a Ara product coming first. Alongside our fat burner carved which drops next week
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Interesting formulas. Would love some feedback on these once they become available.
 
abformulations said:
Yes, and no.

With Curcumonoids it’s more for slowing the aging process and preventing Alzheimer's disease and potentially depression, which also may help more on treating conditions like inflammatory bowel disease, pancreatitis, and arthritis. So no real interaction with the two.

You want to avoid fatty acids in the lines of omega 3’s

Curcumonoids is unlikely to give you the desired anti-inflammatory effects one desires. We added this to offset DOMS but still get the effects and benefits of curcumin.

Arise is something else I tell you.
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Thanks for the response, I'll have to give it a go in the future
 
abformulations said:
We appreciate it. Arise is available now. Just went up on the site literally like 3 days ago.
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Question for you, and forgive my ignorance in advance if I’m wrong.

I’m under the impression that ArA at a 40% standardization isn’t available in powder form. Since this in capsules, it’s ArA powder correct? If so, then I thought the highest standardization could be 10%.

I’m guessing you’re using 000 capsules to fit 3.73g in a 4 capsule serving. Is that correct? I don’t think I’ve seen 000 capsules before - doesn’t mean companies don’t use them of course, I’ve just never seen them. Would be curious to see a picture of the capsules.

Lastly, is there 333mg of B6 per serving, or am I interrupting the label wrong? That’s more than 3x the upper tolerable limit.
 
abformulations said:
We appreciate it. Arise is available now. Just went up on the site literally like 3 days ago.
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Question for you, and forgive my ignorance in advance if I’m wrong.

I’m under the impression that ArA at a 40% standardization isn’t available in powder form. Since this in capsules, it’s ArA powder correct? If so, then I thought the highest standardization could be 10%.

I’m guessing you’re using 000 capsules to fit 3.73g in a 4 capsule serving. Is that correct? I don’t think I’ve seen 000 capsules before - doesn’t mean companies don’t use them of course, I’ve just never seen them. Would be curious to see a picture of the capsules.

Lastly, is there 333mg of B6 per serving, or am I interrupting the label wrong? That’s more than 3x the upper tolerable limit.
 
aaronuconn said:
Question for you, and forgive my ignorance in advance if I’m wrong.

I’m under the impression that ArA at a 40% standardization isn’t available in powder form. Since this in capsules, it’s ArA powder correct? If so, then I thought the highest standardization could be 10%.

I’m guessing you’re using 000 capsules to fit 3.73g in a 4 capsule serving. Is that correct? I don’t think I’ve seen 000 capsules before - doesn’t mean companies don’t use them of course, I’ve just never seen them. Would be curious to see a picture of the capsules.

Lastly, is there 333mg of B6 per serving, or am I interrupting the label wrong? That’s more than 3x the upper tolerable limit.
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You are correct in that ARA at a 40% standardization is only available in a liquid, so any 40% available would have to be in soft-gels. The type used in capsules and powders is a 10% standardization.

The typical size capsules are:
- Size 0 - good for up to 500 mg.
- Size 00 - good for up to 750/800 mg.
- Size 000 - good for up to 1000 mg. BUT they'd usually only used for single ingredient vitamins and amino acids like Vitamin C, Lysine, etc.; they are very expensive and most contract manufacturers don't run them bc they don't have the special tooling required too; and they are too big for many people to swallow.
 
aaronuconn said:
Question for you, and forgive my ignorance in advance if I’m wrong.

I’m under the impression that ArA at a 40% standardization isn’t available in powder form. Since this in capsules, it’s ArA powder correct? If so, then I thought the highest standardization could be 10%.

I’m guessing you’re using 000 capsules to fit 3.73g in a 4 capsule serving. Is that correct? I don’t think I’ve seen 000 capsules before - doesn’t mean companies don’t use them of course, I’ve just never seen them. Would be curious to see a picture of the capsules.

Lastly, is there 333mg of B6 per serving, or am I interrupting the label wrong? That’s more than 3x the upper tolerable limit.
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You’re correct it is 10%, my label maker put the wrong % also yes it is “000” capsules I have sources. Picture attached with another capsule for comparison and honestly it’s not hard to swallow. I can swallow 3 at a time and I tested it on other individuals on swallowing it as well and none had an issue.

Also B6 is typo as well. Label is being corrected. The correct dosage is 33.32mg per serving. Hope this helps.

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abformulations said:
Check out site out Abformulations.net we have two amazing muscle builders.
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Very nice website and interesting products for sure .. yeah the whole ARA has already been touched up .. enhanced athlete has the same powder version in their cap too and pple were messaging me asking if that was better then xfactor/xgels .. dipped in oil is what i always recommend .. ARA that is lol
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
Very nice website and interesting products for sure .. yeah the whole ARA has already been touched up .. enhanced athlete has the same powder version in their cap too and pple were messaging me asking if that was better then xfactor/xgels .. dipped in oil is what i always recommend .. ARA that is lol
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Thank you bro we appreciate it.

Gave it a touch up (ara)
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
Very nice website and interesting products for sure .. yeah the whole ARA has already been touched up .. enhanced athlete has the same powder version in their cap too and pple were messaging me asking if that was better then xfactor/xgels .. dipped in oil is what i always recommend .. ARA that is lol
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Lol That topic will never end
 
Resolve10 said:
Ya as a combo product Ep1logue would be my go to. If you want straight quality Epicatechin I'd go Epi-plex, which is the way I have gone the last few times I've purchased.



I'd go daily. While there does appear to be some benefit to pre-dosing for some, I think it makes more sense as a daily product.
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Have you ever stacked X-Gels and Epicatechin? If so, how did it go?
 
AndroRage said:
Have you ever stacked X-Gels and Epicatechin? If so, how did it go?
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I'm going to post a couple threads later today about SNS/CEL stacks and you could probably ask in there for feedback on the stack of these.

This is an old thread that I'm sure ABE would rather it not be resurrected. I mean that respectfully to them btw. They made a mistake and when pointed out, they acknowledged it. I just don't want to see anyone use this to beat up on them over it.
 
M.I.D said:
Hi guys,

looking to run an 8 week natty stack as a bit of a bulk and gain cycle.

I am thinking possibly all or 3 of the below
Anabolic effect
Vector
Mass max xt
BMP

I have been away from supplements for a while so all comments welcome

cheers
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this makes both dermacrine and sustain $35!!!
 
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