Unanswered Supplements for the cut phases

bb333 said:
5mg no side effects.

Excuse me, but do I have to arrive at that suggested altitude? 0.2mg per kg?
I weigh 73kg, they would be 146mg.

Is the dosage subjective?

5mg, maximum 10mg (2cps a day), could they bring some benefit, or is it time lost? No effect?
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Your max dose should be 14.6 mg not 146... your decimal point was missing.
 
jmero2 said:
Your max dose should be 14.6 mg not 146... your decimal point was missing.
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I'm an idiot ahaha :D
Thank you!
Great! Up to 3 cps (5mg x 3).
Last question, take 15mg together, is it counterproductive?
On training off days, since I follow the IF diet, and fasting in the morning, I could add some cardio, so as to complete my daily NEAT.
Some idea?
 
bb333 said:
I'm an idiot ahaha :D
Thank you!
Great! Up to 3 cps (5mg x 3).
Last question, take 15mg together, is it counterproductive?
On training off days, since I follow the IF diet, and fasting in the morning, I could add some cardio, so as to complete my daily NEAT.
Some idea?
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From first reply :)

The Solution said:
Yohimbine HCL

Use it in a fasted state (upon waking) because its best effects are when insulin is not present. It is the best bang for your buck if you tolerate it, if not you could try an Alpha-Y variety that would eliminate the side effects. (Cold Sweats, Shivers, Increased HR)
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Y.HCL 10mg + Caffeina anidra 200mg
In the morning, just wake up! Fast diet if 16/8
Y.HCL 5mg + preworkout with 200mg caffeina anidra.

Everything ok, I'm handling it well!
We hope to see results in 1 month.

Thanks for your help.
 
AndroRage said:
What do they do and what’s the difference between them both?
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vii-kt is 7-keto dhea, it's primary function in this combo is to speed metabolism.

Invictus is b-AET it's function is reduction of cortisol resulting in less belly fat.
 
thebigt said:
vii-kt is 7-keto dhea, it's primary function in this combo is to speed metabolism.

Invictus is b-AET it's function is reduction of cortisol resulting in less belly fat.
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Right. I think I understand the two products. Would they be used as a stack or in pct together?
 
niklasericson said:
Considering insulin and Yohimbine,
Is it okay to take Yohimbine with a fish oil or olive oil?
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You want to take Yohimbine away from anything (read my first post in this thread).
Olive oil containing calories and fishoil containing calories would take away from how it can be used best (in a fasted state).
Wake up, take Y, do fasted cardio (if you do), and its best in conjunction with caffeine to enhance its effects.
 
The Solution said:
You want to take Yohimbine away from anything (read my first post in this thread).
Olive oil containing calories and fishoil containing calories would take away from how it can be used best (in a fasted state).
Wake up, take Y, do fasted cardio (if you do), and its best in conjunction with caffeine to enhance its effects.
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I'm actually zeroing in on exactly how insulin blunts fat burning, and I see quite a few workarounds in order to be able to (reasonably) maintain a fat burning state even with slightly elevated blood sugar levels.
 
Probably a mistake to post this, but in case you're curious. I should really learn to shut my mouth...

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The Solution said:
You want to take Yohimbine away from anything (read my first post in this thread).
Olive oil containing calories and fishoil containing calories would take away from how it can be used best (in a fasted state).
Wake up, take Y, do fasted cardio (if you do), and its best in conjunction with caffeine to enhance its effects.
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Thank you.
I do 10mg Yohimbine (5mg yhcl and 5mg 11-hydroxy yohimbine) with 200mg caffeine and Green tea extract.
The reason I asked about fat is because I also take fat soluble supps so I guess I've to take those supps later with food.
 
All great! Perfect!
1 week has passed, zero side effects, and the definition is getting better and better.
I have another 3 weeks available, let's see what will come out.
From Monday increase my NEAT! ;)
 
Hi guys,

question, can you become "addicted", from the Y.hcl? can he lose his "power" after a certain time? a bit like caffeine, so to speak, if you don't cycle it ...


This is the first question!


The second question is:


something that "re-activates" the "leptin"?

I had thought at 2 weeks of full break diet, but mainly raising fats, and not carbohydrates, because I already know myself, I could "swell", "swallow" too much.


Any advice on this?

Thanks again!
 
bb333 said:
Hi guys,

question, can you become "addicted", from the Y.hcl? can he lose his "power" after a certain time? a bit like caffeine, so to speak, if you don't cycle it ...


This is the first question!


The second question is:


something that "re-activates" the "leptin"?

I had thought at 2 weeks of full break diet, but mainly raising fats, and not carbohydrates, because I already know myself, I could "swell", "swallow" too much.


Any advice on this?

Thanks again!
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Always Cycle Y. I iike 8 weeks on , and 2-3 weeks off.

Diet Breaks are not specific enough, anyone can take a break from a diet, but if you don't give yourself enough calories or a surplus to reset leptin then it is not really a "Diet Break". The same could be said depending on how lean the individual is and how long the break is (The longer you diet and lower BF you get the longer the break will have to be or larger surplus on the diet break).

Same people that say they take "Cheat Meals" but eat the same calories in a given day because they cut back so much in their previous meals.. and eat one larger meal...The net result = no difference.

The answer is .. it just depends on the person, their current conditioning, and how they structured their nutrition.
Again --> Most (not all) people who diet break are too nervous to increase their caloric increase and therefore don't fully get the benefit out of it. Things you should notice:
body temperature rising, a slight libido boost, improved performance, endurance, recovery, increased sweating from the extra calories added over 14 days (or however long you break). If you did not, then you probably kept calories too low and need to make them higher on the next break.
 
bb333 said:
something that "re-activates" the "leptin"?

I had thought at 2 weeks of full break diet, but mainly raising fats, and not carbohydrates, because I already know myself, I could "swell", "swallow" too much.


Any advice on this?

Thanks again!
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Can you rephrase this? It's not quite making sense to me. Are you talking about keeping Leptin signals strong (Leptin Sensitivity), or keeping plummeting leptin levels elevated enough to make a difference?
 
dsade said:
Can you rephrase this? It's not quite making sense to me. Are you talking about keeping Leptin signals strong (Leptin Sensitivity), or keeping plummeting leptin levels elevated enough to make a difference?
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Forgive me for bad English (translator).

Yes, since I am in a situation of caloric restriction, for a long time, almost 3 months, I think that the "leptin", the hormone, is slightly "lowered", so I wondered if there is any supplement that can you help me with this.

The other day, I dedicated myself to a glucose refeed (sushi), in the next three days, my feeling of "hunger" was increased, for me, it was an indication of "raising metabolism", a "shock" we say. Thus, a metabolic "recovery" with an increase in "leptin".

All this theoretically, in my opinion.


Now, I know, the more I lose weight (hopefully fat mass) the more frequently I should use "refeed", but I was wondering if there is a supplement that can help me every day.


What about that?
 
bb333 said:
Forgive me for bad English (translator).

Yes, since I am in a situation of caloric restriction, for a long time, almost 3 months, I think that the "leptin", the hormone, is slightly "lowered", so I wondered if there is any supplement that can you help me with this.

The other day, I dedicated myself to a glucose refeed (sushi), in the next three days, my feeling of "hunger" was increased, for me, it was an indication of "raising metabolism", a "shock" we say. Thus, a metabolic "recovery" with an increase in "leptin".

All this theoretically, in my opinion.


Now, I know, the more I lose weight (hopefully fat mass) the more frequently I should use "refeed", but I was wondering if there is a supplement that can help me every day.


What about that?
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Depends on your bodyfat level, honestly. If you are still above baseline, then your leptin sensitivity is still likely messed up, even with elevated leptin levels - and a refeed becomes much less important other than every 3 weeks or so.
 
The Solution said:
Always Cycle Y. I iike 8 weeks on , and 2-3 weeks off.

Diet Breaks are not specific enough, anyone can take a break from a diet, but if you don't give yourself enough calories or a surplus to reset leptin then it is not really a "Diet Break". The same could be said depending on how lean the individual is and how long the break is (The longer you diet and lower BF you get the longer the break will have to be or larger surplus on the diet break).

Same people that say they take "Cheat Meals" but eat the same calories in a given day because they cut back so much in their previous meals.. and eat one larger meal...The net result = no difference.

The answer is .. it just depends on the person, their current conditioning, and how they structured their nutrition.
Again --> Most (not all) people who diet break are too nervous to increase their caloric increase and therefore don't fully get the benefit out of it. Things you should notice:
body temperature rising, a slight libido boost, improved performance, endurance, recovery, increased sweating from the extra calories added over 14 days (or however long you break). If you did not, then you probably kept calories too low and need to make them higher on the next break.
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I am currently at "-25% of calories" compared to my tdee.

"game" with carbohydrates and fats. Proteins are almost always blocked.

Carbohydrates and fats I cycle them, weeks to weeks, days with high carbohydrates, low fats, days off high fats, low carbohydrates, the first week, average carbohydrate days, high fats, off days, high carbo, low fats, second week. And so on. Sometimes, on Mondays I start with high carbo, very low fat (even 10gr, indirect), gradually going up day after day, arriving on Sunday with low carbohydrates, even below 1g per kg of lean mass, and high fat.

In short, I cycle.


As I wrote before, maybe I should add some studied refeed, or the full break diet.
 
bb333 said:
I am currently at "-25% of calories" compared to my tdee.

"game" with carbohydrates and fats. Proteins are almost always blocked.

Carbohydrates and fats I cycle them, weeks to weeks, days with high carbohydrates, low fats, days off high fats, low carbohydrates, the first week, average carbohydrate days, high fats, off days, high carbo, low fats, second week. And so on. Sometimes, on Mondays I start with high carbo, very low fat (even 10gr, indirect), gradually going up day after day, arriving on Sunday with low carbohydrates, even below 1g per kg of lean mass, and high fat.

In short, I cycle.


As I wrote before, maybe I should add some studied refeed, or the full break diet.
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That doesn't anwser anything I asked, Anyone can cycle X or Y amount of calories but you don't ever give me how many you were eating in the dieting phase and on the diet break. a % doesn't give me exact numbers. You need to be precise.

This is what I am referring to
Say Dieting --> 2000 Daily
Diet Break --> 2200 Daily

If this was the case then I would go to 2500 daily on the 2 week diet break
Did you get any of the side effects I asked or stated? If so then that would be an indication of the extra calories and their effects on your hormones. If not then you probably had the net calories too low.

I personally like to give heavy back to back refeeds with my clients as I find I can see in the mirror how they soak up the calories, if they get watery then I know it was too much, if they stay tight and the mirror/scale dont deviate much then I can be more aggressive with them in the upcoming weeks when in a dieting phase.
 
Now I read your answers!

Meanwhile this is the current situation.

Edit.
 
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The Solution said:
That doesn't anwser anything I asked, Anyone can cycle X or Y amount of calories but you don't ever give me how many you were eating in the dieting phase and on the diet break. a % doesn't give me exact numbers. You need to be precise.

This is what I am referring to
Say Dieting --> 2000 Daily
Diet Break --> 2200 Daily

If this was the case then I would go to 2500 daily on the 2 week diet break
Did you get any of the side effects I asked or stated? If so then that would be an indication of the extra calories and their effects on your hormones. If not then you probably had the net calories too low.

I personally like to give heavy back to back refeeds with my clients as I find I can see in the mirror how they soak up the calories, if they get watery then I know it was too much, if they stay tight and the mirror/scale dont deviate much then I can be more aggressive with them in the upcoming weeks when in a dieting phase.
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Ah ok, sorry!
Currently:
Day on:
1700kcal , 190cho, 150pro, 38fat.
Day off:
1890kcal , 115cho, 225pro, 60fat.
I train 3 times a week, current weight around 72kg, I am 176cm tall.
 
bb333 said:
Ah ok, sorry!
Currently:
Day on:
1700kcal , 190cho, 150pro, 38fat.
Day off:
1890kcal , 115cho, 225pro, 60fat.
Mi alleno 3 volte alla settimana, peso attuale 72kg circa, sono alto 176cm.
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I personally dont agree with eating less on workout days. I would revise your macros to this

Day on:
1900kcal , 225 C, 170pro, 45 fat.
Day off:
1700kcal , 125 cho, 170 P, 60fat.

Diet break i would do this
ON -
2300 - 325 C, 160 P, 45F
OFF -
2000 - 175 C, 160 P, 70F
 
The only "drawback" is increased sweating during physical exertion.
But this was also present before taking the Y.

For the rest, I had low libido levels.
Now for 2 weeks I have been taking Y., a little has returned to normal.
 
The Solution said:
I personally dont agree with eating less on workout days. I would revise your macros to this

Day on:
1900kcal , 225 C, 170pro, 45 fat.
Day off:
1700kcal , 125 cho, 170 P, 60fat.

Diet break i would do this
ON -
2300 - 325 C, 160 P, 45F
OFF -
2000 - 175 C, 160 P, 70F
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It could be a good solution!
Thank you!
Now it remains to understand whether to follow it or not, the full break diet!
Or follow the modification of the macros, to my current diet.
What do you say, based on the photo I attached?
 
bb333 said:
It could be a good solution!
Thank you!
Now it remains to understand whether to follow it or not, the full break diet!
Or follow the modification of the macros, to my current diet.
What do you say, based on the photo I attached?
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That is my advice, you can use it or not use it
Your choice.
 
I find ycl to be great for libido....just sayin
 
The Solution said:
I personally dont agree with eating less on workout days. I would revise your macros to this

Day on:
1900kcal , 225 C, 170pro, 45 fat.
Day off:
1700kcal , 125 cho, 170 P, 60fat.

Diet break i would do this
ON -
2300 - 325 C, 160 P, 45F
OFF -
2000 - 175 C, 160 P, 70F
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Just two questions:
In your opinion, what percentage of "simple sugars" is daily? Is a 15% tolerable?

Another question, a good 70% of "carbohydrates", starting from the postworkout, how do you see it? Great?
 
bb333 said:
Just two questions:
In your opinion, what percentage of "simple sugars" is daily? Is a 15% tolerable?

Another question, a good 70% of "carbohydrates", starting from the postworkout, how do you see it? Great?
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I personally like to split my CHO up between pre/intra/post when limiting them. You want to keep your body in an optimal training state. Pre-workout is the better choice for carbs (in higher amounts) due to the fact you want to provide the body with glycogen to enhance your training.
iF you have 225g on workout days I would do around 50/50/50 (Pre/intra/post) and then allot the remaining carbs from veggies + one other starchy meal

15% fine.
 
The Solution said:
I personally dont agree with eating less on workout days. I would revise your macros to this

Day on:
1900kcal , 225 C, 170pro, 45 fat.
Day off:
1700kcal , 125 cho, 170 P, 60fat.

Diet break i would do this
ON -
2300 - 325 C, 160 P, 45F
OFF -
2000 - 175 C, 160 P, 70F
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I continue to lose weight despite the increase in calories!
Great ;)

After two weeks of "FBD" return to the low-calorie!
 
Hi guys,

I'm following a "reverse diet", I came out of the "IF 16/8", for my convenience, I wanted to arrive with at least two pre workout meals, to have more strength.

The question is, can I continue to take Y.Hcl, during the "gradual increase" in calories?

15mg of Y.Hcl in the preworkout?

Since breakfast returns in the morning!


Grazie!
 
bb333 said:
Hi guys,

I'm following a "reverse diet", I came out of the "IF 16/8", for my convenience, I wanted to arrive with at least two pre workout meals, to have more strength.

The question is, can I continue to take Y.Hcl, during the "gradual increase" in calories?

15mg of Y.Hcl in the preworkout?

Since breakfast returns in the morning!


Grazie!
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Y dose won't change
First thing upon waking.
 
I bought the Swiss Y.HCL. each tablet is 10mg. per day the maximum recommended quantity how much is it? weight 74kg. thank you!
 
I bought the Swiss Y.HCL. each tablet is 10mg. per day the maximum recommended quantity how much is it? weight 74kg. thank you!
 
I bought the Swiss Y.HCL. each tablet is 10mg. per day the maximum recommended quantity how much is it? weight 74kg. thank you!
 
bb333 said:
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Dose First thing upon waking
Work up to that dose. ---> .02mg/kg
So start at 10mg (if you can tolerate) and slowly add.

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Yohimbine HCL
Start at 2.5mg and work your way up to .02mg/kg (since your new tabs are 10mg use that, if its too strong then consider buying ones that are 2.5mg per cap)
Use it in a fasted state (upon waking) because its best effects are when insulin is not present. It is the best bang for your buck if you tolerate it, if not you could try an Alpha-Y variety that would eliminate the side effects. (Cold Sweats, Shivers, Increased HR)
 
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hi guys, in a period of bulk (hypercaloric) high fat, medium carbohydrates, can yohimbine make sense? taken on an empty stomach for example half an hour before breakfast, with cardio liss. advise me please!
 
bb333 said:
hi guys, in a period of bulk (hypercaloric) high fat, medium carbohydrates, can yohimbine make sense? taken on an empty stomach for example half an hour before breakfast, with cardio liss. advise me please!
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timing is very important with yohimbine-good luck with that!!!

a simpler approach would be invictus.
 
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