City Boy
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2a,17a-dimethyl-etiocholan-3-one-17b-ol
Unanswered 10mg vs 20mg superdrol should I do it?
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Renew1
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I'm not a chemist, but the structures look the same.
I haven't tried that brand, but legit SD is the most Anabolic compound I've ever used.
Hyde
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Similar in effect to Tren but weaker and generally much lower sides (allegedly). No cough, less sweating, mania, aggression, etc. I don’t think anyone try’s to use it in a bulk; recomping and dieting is where it shines.
No. Prodienelone is a fairly stout oral used for recomp or bulking. Water, strength, lean mass. 60-125mg is doses I’ve seen.
I tried to take some my very first cycle ever. Day 2 my nipples were on fire from the prolactin increase lol.
LondonerTWBULLY
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Thanks this is why I haven’t touched them they have high dose epistane in the tabs too which may counter the gyno but I think I’ll leave em, they are orbs pharmaceuticals granite which were discontinued
LondonerTWBULLY
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That is similar to sdrol but think it’s called mdrol it’s the same compound that I’ve ran in maxdrol hd and triple x, I gained good with it just like a mild sdrol(gained around 10lb)
Renew1
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Superdrol and Mdrol are the same compound, just different brand names.
Outofbody
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Oh I ran it in a bulk at a higher dose (700mg/week) and had mania but it definitely worked successfully! No mania/sides at a normal dose (~500/mg) and was perfect for a recomp.
Outofbody
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Yup and CEL Mdrol is definitely legit. Ran some last summer.
Smont
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Mdrol is sdrol
LondonerTWBULLY
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I’ve ran 3 sdrol clones AKA mdrol and gained around 10lbs per cycle but now I’m running the old nomenclature it seems to be a lot stronger as I’ve gained 18lbs already but also the sides seem to worse ie the acid and he pumps are way more intense too,maybe the mdrol are underdosed or they changed a molecule or something when they butchered the nomenclature also i found with mdrol the gains slow down loads after 3 wks but I’m on near 4 weeks and gained another 2 lb since yesterday without eating extra etc, I’m running intex pharma superdrol and it’s 2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol maybe the 2a,17a-dimethyl-etiocholan-3-one-17b-ol version they weakened the compound by taking the 5a out??
Alchemist11
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Well, in most cases original nomenclature is strongest, and crudest also by all means, gains and sides... But it could be the other ones were a bit underdosed
City Boy
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What are you running with this ,that’s a lot of weight in a short time and at what dosage?
LondonerTWBULLY
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I’m running intex pharma superdrol@10 mg twice daily and I’ve pinned test enathate but that wouldn’t of kicked in yet
Renew1
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SD and Mdrol had the exact same nomenclature. They were the exact same compound (as Smont stated above
). Thus ... It is a clone. Part of the confusion comes with the word "clone". It means exactly the same, but a new entity. But some use the word to mean "close to the same, but a little different". There are (of course) some compounds that were made to be a replacement for SD, but the compound was slightly different. But they never gained big popularity (like SD did), because the feedback (overall) was poor.
LondonerTWBULLY
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5a-androstane = etioallocholane (Original early Superdrol)
5b-androstane = etiocholane (M-Drol / Most new Superdrol clones)
Etiocholane (in M-Drol) refers to the 5 beta isomer, not the 5 alpha(In AX Superdrol). 5 beta's are not known for their anabolic/androgenic properties...
Superdrols compound is: 2a, 17a-di methyl-5a-androstane-3-one-17b-ol, and has the target hormone 5aa, which is much stronger than M-Drol (M-Drol targets 5b)
mdrol:
Etiocholan-3a-ol-17-one
5b-Androsterone; Etiocholanone; 3a-Hydroxy-5b-androstan-17-one
C19H30O2 F.W. 290.45 CAS: 53-42-9
And original AX Superdrol is - 2a, 17a-di methyl-5a-androstane/androsterone-3-one-17b-ol very similar but after experiencing both I know for sure the original version Is ALOT stronger imo and I’ve got twice the gains too
5b-androstane = etiocholane (M-Drol / Most new Superdrol clones)
Etiocholane (in M-Drol) refers to the 5 beta isomer, not the 5 alpha(In AX Superdrol). 5 beta's are not known for their anabolic/androgenic properties...
Superdrols compound is: 2a, 17a-di methyl-5a-androstane-3-one-17b-ol, and has the target hormone 5aa, which is much stronger than M-Drol (M-Drol targets 5b)
mdrol:
Etiocholan-3a-ol-17-one
5b-Androsterone; Etiocholanone; 3a-Hydroxy-5b-androstan-17-one
C19H30O2 F.W. 290.45 CAS: 53-42-9
And original AX Superdrol is - 2a, 17a-di methyl-5a-androstane/androsterone-3-one-17b-ol very similar but after experiencing both I know for sure the original version Is ALOT stronger imo and I’ve got twice the gains too
Renew1
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That's fine. You'll believe what you want to believe. But THE ORIGINAL (not sure what people are putting out now) Mdrol and the original SD are the same compound. I lived through all this, experienced this, and researched this years ago. .... Even if the label you found states differently ... The Original SD and Original Mdrol were the same compound.
This isn't a knock on you, brother, it's just the truth.
As far as getting different results from the same compound, but under a different label (name), ... Sure! .. I did. For instance, my runs with LGI SD-10 were superior to my runs with any other SD label. But they were all the same compound (my runs).
MrKleen73
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My LGI runs of pretty much any compound always outshined the other companies... Not sure why but it was just the way it was for me.
Renew1
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Yeah, not sure if it was a purity factor, or the ACTUAL dosage compared to other brands, but LGI was terrific.
And I usually found them a little cheaper than some brands.
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Renew1
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A lot of guys over the years formulated their own opinions on this. But here is a comment from a guy who had inside information. (He used to work for SNS) :
"When we first came out with Methyl-Drol, we had it tested for purity and also had it tested against AX Superdrol. We were told by the lab that there were actually a couple different ways that we could label the product and that the way we chose to was technically the correct way. Keep in mind, we had the product not only tested for purity, but also tested against AX Superdrol.
To take that a step further, for those that remember when we first came out with Methyl-Drol, AX stated that they tested it themselves and then openly posted on AM (and maybe here, I cannot remember) that Methyl-Drol and their Superdrol were identical.
Now, how does that relate to M-Drol - 2 ways - 1. Labeled the same as our Methyl Drol was and 2. on their independant testing done by RTP, it shows the compound listed on the lab report the same way.
Keep in mind, I am no chemist so I cant offer any explanation further than what I just gave, but we had the compound itself tested for purity, we had it tested against Superdrol and the lab said it was the same, then AX acknowledged themselves that they were the same."
City Boy
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Just done a bit of digging and found this on a post from 2009 on bodybuilding.com
“Actually they are not the same etiocholan would indicate that they have switched over to the beta isomer. (etiocholan = 5b-androst, as opposed to 5a-androst in the original) It's just a little less anabolic which would explain the small increase in dosage per capsule.”
In this case I will have to just run at 2x12mg a day and hope it’s the same as 20mg of the original
“Actually they are not the same etiocholan would indicate that they have switched over to the beta isomer. (etiocholan = 5b-androst, as opposed to 5a-androst in the original) It's just a little less anabolic which would explain the small increase in dosage per capsule.”
In this case I will have to just run at 2x12mg a day and hope it’s the same as 20mg of the original
City Boy
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I know that feelingThis thread really has me wanting to run Superdrol for this slow bulk, but I have so much Msten on hand already. Decisions, decisions.
ChocolateClen
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Superdrol is really fucking with my BP lol didn’t expect it to this much. I thought I’d see a slight uptick in BP, but I’m on a helluva rollercoaster right now regarding my Bp haha. Getting a more accurate monitor in the mail to keep better control over it.
Nac
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Yeah apparently its a pretty potent vasoconstrictor, even though pumps. The Anabolic Doc did a short youtoob clip on it.
ChocolateClen
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Matthersby
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Mine was the worst on SD. My sleep suffered bc I would wake up all night from my heart pounding so hard. Second was Epi if you can believe that.
ChocolateClen
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Thankfully mine is injectable so it’s half-life is short as hell, so it hasn’t bothered my sleep yet. Only on day 2 though lol. Im logging it all in my ongoing log. **** hurts like a mofo to pin, the pip is brutal.
Renew1
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Wow. That has to be pretty old. I've heard of some of their liquid-based products breaking down, or turning rancid over time. Hopefully this isn't one of them.
... I'm a guy who has never had to throw away any anabolic due to age ..just wanted to let you know what I heard. I think maybe it was some of their Andro stuff, if I remember correctly.
Outofbody
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I have one bottle I kept in the fridge and one in my closet. Maybe I’ll do a taste test one day haha... hopefully they’re both still ok though. If not, I still have Mdrol.
Renew1
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Yeah, hopefully they're still good. Taste and smell test.
Like I said, I've never had any problems with older anabolics, but I've never kept liquids for that long.
Hyde
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I had some ArA from Molecular that was only a year out of expiration tops and the fats in the caps had all turned totally rancid. Made me instantly sick and stunk to high heaven.
Meanwhile currently eating 9 caps of Andro Bulk clone daily that’s 3+ years expired and no bad burps or issues with the fats in them.
Just depends.
Meanwhile currently eating 9 caps of Andro Bulk clone daily that’s 3+ years expired and no bad burps or issues with the fats in them.
Just depends.
Outofbody
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Man, how is my sleep fine on tren ace and SD but NPP totally messes me up.. It's so bizarre lol
When I've ran tren ace, I do nightly dosing, along with nightly prami, and it's been smooth sailing in dreamland.
Mathb33
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I really don’t know if this makes any sense bro but I know you run tren at a very conservative dosage (200ish) while NPP needs to be ran much higher... could that be the reason it’s affecting our sleep?
Outofbody
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Well personally for myself. I ran tren ace at 350mg/week the two times I’ve ran it, and NPP I ran at 400mg/week. So I don’t think it’s that. I’m perplexed. I did run test at a TRT dose on tren and on NPP I ran test prop at 400mg/week as well, so it could’ve been that addition, but test shouldn’t cause sleep problems.
Smont
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Pretty sure injectable superdrol Half life is 12hrs
ChocolateClen
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That’s what I was told, which makes sense since my BP drops as the day goes on
ChocolateClen
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That’s what I was told, which makes sense since my BP drops as the day goes on
Outofbody
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How does is rate in effects compared to the oral? Been wanting to get my hands on some.
ChocolateClen
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Much stronger, I believe half is needed to hit the required dose. Hits within 30 min as well. You can follow my log to see my process. I’m only running 4mg a day
ChocolateClen
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Oh I forgot to mention, injectable hurts like a mother fucking bitch. The pip is awful even when I cut mine from 40mg/ml to less than 20, my left quad has been debilitatingly sore since I pinned on Monday.
No way in hell I’d pin this stuff in my shoulders, and that with only with .1ml
Apparently some people can’t run it simply because of the carrier. It’s not normal gso, some weird **** my source told me. He pinned it once and thought he got an infection because the area was red hot and swollen for days. Mines just been hot as swollen but no redness. Feels like normal pip to me
No way in hell I’d pin this stuff in my shoulders, and that with only with .1ml
Apparently some people can’t run it simply because of the carrier. It’s not normal gso, some weird **** my source told me. He pinned it once and thought he got an infection because the area was red hot and swollen for days. Mines just been hot as swollen but no redness. Feels like normal pip to me
ChocolateClen
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I think it’s the carrier and the high concentration honestly. It just hurts all around there’s no nice way to put it haha. It’s a hell of a steroid in literally every way possible. I’ve put on like 6 lbs in 3 days which is all just water but that gives you an idea of just how strong the 4mg a day. It’s a pretty awesome thing but I haven’t been able to fully enjoy it cause I’ve been scared shitless about my BP. Hoping to figure that out soon.
ChocolateClen
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I think it’s the carrier and the high concentration honestly. It just hurts all around there’s no nice way to put it haha. It’s a hell of a steroid in literally every way possible. I’ve put on like 6 lbs in 3 days which is all just water but that gives you an idea of just how strong the 4mg a day. It’s a pretty awesome thing but I haven’t been able to fully enjoy it cause I’ve been scared shitless about my BP. Hoping to figure that out soon.
Renew1
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Have you ever tried Carditone? I haven't, but Hyde said it's good stuff.
ChocolateClen
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I need to get some, just not sure where. I’m taking cialis currently and it’s helped a lot but hasn’t managed to knock me down below 140. More details in log about what I’m doing exactly but I’m actively looking for some. Just hard finding good **** around here
Renew1
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I see it on eBay and Amazon.
ChocolateClen
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I see it too just want to make sure I get quality stuff you know? Been asking around to see what people use and like
Renew1
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Ahhh.... I see.