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Unanswered 10mg vs 20mg superdrol should I do it?

Nac said:
Ugh, they seem to cause some prostate inflammation with me. Id love to have them as an option but on the plus side the trade-off is I get little in the way of sides on sdrol or adrol.
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How can you tell if you have prostate inflammation? I can never really tell on cycle. Is the main side effect difficulty urinating?
 
Outofbody said:
How can you tell if you have prostate inflammation? I can never really tell on cycle. Is the main side effect difficulty urinating?
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What do you mean during urinating? I’ve always had the same question as you or perhaps I’m lucky and never had any prostate problems
 
No fucks is given about my prostate I’ll die many other ways out of steroids before my prostate gives up.
 
I was getting bloody ejaculate. Did tests with Doc during and after last run, conclusion "benign inflammation".
 
Nac said:
I was getting bloody ejaculate. Did tests with Doc during and after last run, conclusion "benign inflammation".
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Wow. I'd never heard of that happening. What were you running?
 
Renew1 said:
Wow. I'd never heard of that happening. What were you running?
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That particular time, var.
But I had had it with winny before too. No other symptoms, which stopped as soon as I stopped the var/winny.

I searched through the studies on oxandrolone and couldnt find hematospermia as a documented adverse reaction. So, my tentative conclusion was

1) my reaction is very rare, like outlier

2) the gear was contaninated

(2) makes no sense to me for a number of reasons. But, end of day, I have no issues running sdrol, adrol, tbol, mtren, mast, dbol, creatine, so fuk you var and winny.
 
RAD has been shown to have a much higher binding affinity to the prostate than test, and it’s actions are benign there, so it’s a great compliment to a bigger blast. Like most SARMs and orals it does hurt lipids some so it’s not something to use indefinitely.

Nac said:
That particular time, var.
But I had had it with winny before too. No other symptoms, which stopped as soon as I stopped the var/winny.

I searched through the studies on oxandrolone and couldnt find hematospermia as a documented adverse reaction. So, my tentative conclusion was

1) my reaction is very rare, like outlier

2) the gear was contaninated

(2) makes no sense to me for a number of reasons. But, end of day, I have no issues running sdrol, adrol, tbol, mtren, mast, dbol, creatine, so fuk you var and winny.
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Yeah with all the options if something doesn’t agree why fight it when you can just choose a different weapon?
 
Mathb33 said:
What do you mean during urinating? I’ve always had the same question as you or perhaps I’m lucky and never had any prostate problems
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Likewise. I think I've been luck (thus far). I've searched around the net but main thing I can find is painful urination / urgency / weak stream. Never had any of this before.
 
Outofbody said:
It’s overkill for cutting. Why would you take pretty much the strongest thing out there for a cut? Why put your body through that for a reduced amount of gains and burn out your AR receptors while you’re at it. Save the SD for bulking if you want to cycle intelligently, and want it to shine. This is all common sense.
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First of all you don't burn out Androgen receptors, they actually upregulate what you were talking about is a myth. Seccond, when did I ever say anything about cutting with superdrol. Which is a option but I didn't say anything about cutting other then bulking and cutting is diet. 3rd, when your in the last week's of contest pre, most guys use tren, or halo, or anadrol or superdrol. All the strongest things that there are are used leading up to a show so absolutely you can use superdrol for cutting like most of the most successful bodybuilders do. 4th like "i said" superdrol makes for amazing recomp.
 
Smont said:
First of all you don't burn out Androgen receptors, they actually upregulate what you were talking about is a myth. Seccond, when did I ever say anything about cutting with superdrol. Which is a option but I didn't say anything about cutting other then bulking and cutting is diet. 3rd, when your in the last week's of contest pre, most guys use tren, or halo, or anadrol or superdrol. All the strongest things that there are are used leading up to a show so absolutely you can use superdrol for cutting like most of the most successful bodybuilders do. 4th like "i said" superdrol makes for amazing recomp.
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The majority of us aren't professional BBers, but do you boo. Whatever floats your boat. You can inject heroin into your toes for a headache if you want, I don't really care. But posting advice on a board for general users, saying it's completely fine to use this whenever, is a bit irresponsible.

Also, it is not a myth that the stronger and bigger your cycles are, the more you have to push them in the future for similar results. Intelligent cycling involves using the smallest dose or amount of drugs possible to obtain your goals, for cycling longevity's sake. There are far smarter things to take on a recomp/cut. It's not worth taking something as strong as SD for a measly recomp. Even on a bulk, this stuff will recomp you due to it's ultra strong nutrient partitioning.
 
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Outofbody said:
The majority of us aren't professional BBers, but do you boo. Whatever floats your boat. You can inject heroin into your toes for a headache if you want, I don't really care. But posting advice on a board for general users, saying it's completely fine to use this whenever, is a bit irresponsible.

Also, it is not a myth that the stronger and bigger your cycles are, the more you have to push them in the future for similar results. Intelligent cycling involves using the smallest dose or amount of drugs possible to obtain your goals, for cycling longevity's sake. There are far smarter things to take on a recomp/cut. It's not worth taking something as strong as SD for a measly recomp. Even on a bulk, this stuff will recomp you due to it's ultra strong nutrient partitioning.
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Tell us why u mad
 
Epistane used to cause me pain, I used to think that was just from testicular atrophy but now I'm starting to think it could've been related to the prostate because epi is generally thought of as a fairly weak compound. Epi definitely shouldn't cause shutdown as strong as SD but SD has never caused any pain in my groin, nothing but epi has.
 
Outofbody said:
Epistane used to cause me pain, I used to think that was just from testicular atrophy but now I'm starting to think it could've been related to the prostate because epi is generally thought of as a fairly weak compound. Epi definitely shouldn't cause shutdown as strong as SD but SD has never caused any pain in my groin, nothing but epi has.
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Epi is unpredictable and not always mild. I had next to no side effects but once discontinued it destroyed my sexual stamina. Never seen anything like it. Shut me down harder than I would have thought, and I went from marathon to 2 minutes inside of a week. I tried everything to get it back and found L-dopa fixed it within a few days
 
Matthersby said:
Epi is unpredictable and not always mild. I had next to no side effects but once discontinued it destroyed my sexual stamina. Never seen anything like it. Shut me down harder than I would have thought, and I went from marathon to 2 minutes inside of a week. I tried everything to get it back and found L-dopa fixed it within a few days
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I used to love running it with high test cycles because the libido increase was intense. But the pain it would cause me led me to never use it more than a handful of times. It can't possibly be stronger than SD, tren, trest, and the like? None of these have ever caused me pain in my groin, so strange. Even last summer while on trest ace, NPP and SD, I had no testicular/groin pain, prostate issues or anything like that. I'm really curious what that pain on epi was all about now.
 
Outofbody said:
I used to love running it with high test cycles because the libido increase was intense. But the pain it would cause me led me to never use it more than a handful of times. It can't possibly be stronger than SD, tren, trest, and the like? None of these have ever caused me pain in my groin, so strange. Even last summer while on trest ace, NPP and SD, I had no testicular/groin pain, prostate issues or anything like that.
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Its counterintuitive, right? Ive come to the conclusion that a compound which is relatively weaker at (say) building muscle, can be relatively stronger at rustling your jimmies (literally). Its crudely just an unfortunate outcome of the compounds particular chemical structure, and your physiology.
 
Outofbody said:
Just trying to put smart, useful, experienced, responsible info out there boo.
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Outofbody said:
I used to love running it with high test cycles because the libido increase was intense. But the pain it would cause me led me to never use it more than a handful of times. It can't possibly be stronger than SD, tren, trest, and the like? None of these have ever caused me pain in my groin, so strange. Even last summer while on trest ace, NPP and SD, I had no testicular/groin pain, prostate issues or anything like that. I'm really curious what that pain on epi was all about now.
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You always have come off to me as a fairly experienced, friendly member with good intentions. However, I am struggling to see how someone running the kind of cycles you run (which I do not take issue with) has issues with someone using Superdrol in a deficit....it is common at both amateur and pro level for bodybuilders to use SD to peak for a show. It does a good job helping you look your best...which is the point of these drugs for many casual users.

I don’t think someone pushing any dosage of a trest/NPP/sd cycle really has room to say someone electing to cut on sd is overdoing it. Same as guys will use tren in a stack for cutting or bulking sometimes. It’s just personal.
 
Hyde said:
You always have come off to me as a fairly experienced, friendly member with good intentions. However, I am struggling to see how someone running the kind of cycles you run (which I do not take issue with) has issues with someone using Superdrol in a deficit....it is common at both amateur and pro level for bodybuilders to use SD to peak for a show. It does a good job helping you look your best...which is the point of these drugs for many casual users.

I don’t think someone pushing any dosage of a trest/NPP/sd cycle really has room to say someone electing to cut on sd is overdoing it. Same as guys will use tren in a stack for cutting or bulking sometimes. It’s just personal.
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Completely valid point, I was hoping this would come up. This is the first time I've ever run a cycle such as this (trest ace / NPP / SD), and it was for a specific purpose – I was casted for a leading role in a short film last summer where I had to have my shirt off for a fight scene, and it was definitely ran while in a caloric surplus. This short film now also has 3 laurels (LA Film Awards, NY Film Awards and the Independent Film Society Awards), and it's looking like it will win me all sorts of exposure. I actually pulled that SD out of my stash, it had remained untouched for years, and was waiting for the right occasion.

Personally, I've only ever ran SD a handful of times, and never in a deficit. It's far too harsh for the minimal gains it will provide in a deficit. It's simply not worth it.

Overall, I almost rarely ever combine 3 compounds while cycling as well, but I have been cycling for over 10 years now (am now in my 40s), and have noticed diminished results in single or even dual compound cycles. I have successfully stayed away from tren in all of my cycling history, until about 2yrs ago. I now do tren solo cycles when cutting/recomping, and when bulking, I will combine multiple compounds. But I have over 10 years of cycling experience, so keep this in mind. :) I would never have done this when starting out, and I would never recommend this to people without much experience.
 
And this is how we all discuss/disagree/debate respectfully. Well done everyone.
Everyone was able to explain themselves and their opinions eloquently and politely, without insults, even when it got a little tense earlier.
This is why I love AM.
Smart guys willing to look at different views humbly.
 
Matthersby said:
And this is how we all discuss/disagree/debate respectfully. Well done everyone.
Everyone was able to explain themselves and their opinions eloquently and politely, without insults, even when it got a little tense earlier.
This is why I love AM.
Smart guys willing to look at different views humbly.
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Thanks. I think what started to set me off was being laughed at for my opinion. I don’t think most people know I’ve been a regular on this board for 14 years, through different screen names. I’ve got a bit of experience.
 
Matthersby said:
And this is how we all discuss/disagree/debate respectfully. Well done everyone.
Everyone was able to explain themselves and their opinions eloquently and politely, without insults, even when it got a little tense earlier.
This is why I love AM.
Smart guys willing to look at different views humbly.
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Yep this. I was trying to push his buttons to see if he would give it back or flip out.

Now I'm his boo
 
Outofbody said:
Thanks. I think what started to set me off was being laughed at for my opinion. I don’t think most people know I’ve been a regular on this board for 14 years, through different screen names. I’ve got a bit of experience.
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One of my all time favorite threads was you, fueled passion and 5 other vets discussing substitutes for tren for a strength cycle. You guys got in depth on Dienolone and desoxy and several other drugs that very few had even used in 2014-15. There so much subjectiveness to all this. I would actually like the fullness and appetite loss on a cut. I don’t know if I feel one way or the other but there’s more to bulking/cutting than just one aspect of any drug. There’s how it hurts/helps your stamina, appetite, water retention, energy, blood viscosity, and about 20 other things. I may love certain drugs certain ways to get my desired results and it might seem insane to someone else. All good. What will always get to me though is those that are like “don’t bother running SD below 30mg. I run it at 40 no problems.. you’re a pussy if you run it at a
10-20.” Like it’s facts. And people are using Forums to Investigate dosage When most of us would be destroyed at that dose. Dose braggarts get me.
 
Worst thing you can do is push the doses of anything higher than you need to get what you’re after.

Before I tended to have the mindset of “what can I handle”...now I am getting more towards the notion of “how can I make progress now while allowing headroom for steady growth in the next decade”.
 
Outofbody said:
Thanks. I think what started to set me off was being laughed at for my opinion. I don’t think most people know I’ve been a regular on this board for 14 years, through different screen names. I’ve got a bit of experience.
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One of my all time favorite threads was you, fueled passion and 5 other vets discussing substitutes for tren for a strength cycle. You guys got in depth on Dienolone and desoxy and several other drugs that very few had even used in 2014-15. There so much subjectiveness to all this. I would actually like the fullness and appetite loss on a cut. I don’t know if I feel one way or the other but there’s more to bulking/cutting than just one aspect of any drug. There’s how it hurts/helps your stamina, appetite, water retention, energy, blood viscosity, and about 20 other things. I may love certain drugs certain ways to get my desired results and it might seem insane to someone else. All good. What will always get to me though is those that are like “don’t bother running SD below 30mg. I run it at 40 no problems.. you’re a pussy if you run it at a
10-20.” Like it’s facts. And people are using Forums to Investigate dosage When most of us would be destroyed at that dose. Dose braggarts get me.
 
Matthersby said:
One of my all time favorite threads was you, fueled passion and 5 other vets discussing substitutes for tren for a strength cycle. You guys got in depth on Dienolone and desoxy and several other drugs that very few had even used in 2014-15. There so much subjectiveness to all this. I would actually like the fullness and appetite loss on a cut. I don’t know if I feel one way or the other but there’s more to bulking/cutting than just one aspect of any drug. There’s how it hurts/helps your stamina, appetite, water retention, energy, blood viscosity, and about 20 other things. I may love certain drugs certain ways to get my desired results and it might seem insane to someone else. All good. What will always get to me though is those that are like “don’t bother running SD below 30mg. I run it at 40 no problems.. you’re a pussy if you run it at a
10-20.” Like it’s facts. And people are using Forums to Investigate dosage When most of us would be destroyed at that dose. Dose braggarts get me.
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That was a great thread. Btw, for those who may not know, I used to post here as @Gutterpump for years. Rodja had convinced me in that thread to try out NPP, and then I learned it doesn't mesh with me at all, and that tren gives me fewer sides. Dien ended up acting exactly how I thought NPP would for me, but with fewer sides as well.
 
Outofbody said:
That was a great thread. Btw, for those who may not know, I used to post here as @Gutterpump for years. Rodja had convinced me in that thread to try out NPP, and then I learned it doesn't mesh with me at all, and that tren gives me fewer sides. Dien ended up acting exactly how I thought NPP would for me, but with fewer sides as well.
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Since we’re in a detailed state anyway, care to elaborate on your dosage and experience with Dienelone? Got a bunch of E waiting around but not sure when I wanna use it or how.
 
Outofbody said:
That was a great thread. Btw, for those who may not know, I used to post here as @Gutterpump for years. Rodja had convinced me in that thread to try out NPP, and then I learned it doesn't mesh with me at all, and that tren gives me fewer sides. Dien ended up acting exactly how I thought NPP would for me, but with fewer sides as well.
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Oh **** ! So that’s where gutter went. God damn finally connecting the dots and ****. Gutter went AWOL while I was on my break. Glad to see ya back man didn’t know it was you
 
Hyde said:
Since we’re in a detailed state anyway, care to elaborate on your dosage and experience with Dienelone? Got a bunch of E waiting around but not sure when I wanna use it or how.
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Oh man you don't want to ask me about it hahaha I got crazy with it a bit, but really only at the end of that cycle.

I basically ran Dienolone ace solo (TRT dose of test alongside) in a long recomp at right around 500mg/week for about 3.5 months. Actually I just remembered, I kickstarted it with Triumphalis (but stopped this after 4 weeks due to nausea, which turned into vomitting post-workout a few times).

Dien worked extremely well and was fairly dry. I ran a TKD diet, with carbs peri-workout only, but did refeeds twice per week. So I was in a deficit 5 days a week, surplus 2 days. I ran a modified Westside (WSFSB II) program, and gained strength/size throughout while cutting fat. Hit each body part twice per week with max effort and dynamic effort days.

After 3.5 months, I increased my dose to 700mg/week (for about a month and a half) – this caused instant mania. But I stuck to it because I enjoyed it lol. Got me banned from AM though (was trolling in the political forum). I increased my lifting frequency and did fullbody high volume training every other day at this point, 3 days per week, and changed my diet to a surplus, and blew up in that 4th month. I couldn't believe it. I had thought gains stop after 3 months due to myostatin feedback or something or other lol, but no. It kept working, and worked well. I was super vascular as well.

Because of the mania from the high dose, I came off it by going on 500mg/test cyp weekly for a month, and then back to my TRT dose after that. I didn't want to crash post-cycle, especially since I started dating a new woman.

I believe I ran some low dose prami to be safe, and just my regular TRT AI dose. No serms or anything like that. When I switched to dien ace solo, there were no sides to speak of really, until I raised my dose over 500mg/week. I would definitely run dien again. I hope to pick up some enanthate as well, as I had only tried the ace version, but I'm sold on it completely now. This time around, I would throw in a DHT based compound with it though.
 
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ChocolateClen said:
Oh **** ! So that’s where gutter went. God damn finally connecting the dots and ****. Gutter went AWOL while I was on my break. Glad to see ya back man didn’t know it was you
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Hey thanks. Yup I was misbehaving a bit too much and had to leave for a bit lol..
 
Hyde said:
200mg/ml dien e from zero flux
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Ooohhh. When you running it? I’ve got 4 vials of those and I guess coach is convinced it’ll work for the comp with a few other things. I know Zero Flux is solid but I’d like to see more logs on Dien Enth.
 
Matthersby said:
Ooohhh. When you running it? I’ve got 4 vials of those and I guess coach is convinced it’ll work for the comp with a few other things. I know Zero Flux is solid but I’d like to see more logs on Dien Enth.
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No idea. Even if it was next cycle it would be 4 months minimum, as I have a month left of current cycle. Could be good for recomping.
 
What's dien supposed to do or be comparable to. I have access to it if I want it but don't know much about it. Anything specific I could Google for it?
 
City Boy said:
Has anyone ran these before Invalid Link Removed
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Can you post the structure of the compound?

They claim it is a "very active form of Superdrol". Here's the problem... SD is already extremely active. Any time I've seen the structure tampered with, it hasn't turned out well.
 
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Just spent the better part of an hour catching up on this thread while the wifey shops. Very informative, gents. Thanks for the knowledge share.
 
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