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... It is, though... That's what would determine if the farm bailouts are socialist. 84% of farmers have crop insurance through the FCIC which is subsidized by federal taxes. The bailouts will not be paid back, the crop insurance is overwhelmingly federally owned. I don't know how you can still say that's not socialism.
Its voluntary

M4a would not be, m4a takes away the choice and forces you to take govt run insurance...others have proposed giving ppl the option but...that isnt what we are discussing here

Not sure how you still do not see the difference on that
 
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If state farm was the only insurance available across america...that point could be made

However that's not the case so..no
But if there are a trillion companies and the government steals our tax dollars and bails out 84% of them and especially uses our tax dollars to subsidize the insurance rates for the citizens that is absolutely socialism.
 
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But if there are a trillion companies and the government steals our tax dollars and bails out 84% of them and especially uses our tax dollars to subsidize the insurance rates for the citizens that is absolutely socialism.
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But if there are a trillion companies and the government steals our tax dollars and bails out 84% of them and especially uses our tax dollars to subsidize the insurance rates for the citizens that is absolutely socialism.
Smh, no it is not

I've posted the definition of socialism and what you guys are describing does not fit....its like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole
 
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Smh, no it is not

I've posted the definition of socialism and what you guys are describing does not fit....its like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole
Slightly off pure defintition of socialism still is socialism.

Can you enjoy your weekend if we just called it a modified socialist policy with capitalist characteristics? And then can we simplify the term to just"socialism" so we dont get tired typing it all out every time?
 
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If state farm was the only insurance available across america...that point could be made

However that's not the case so..no
Even if they were, that leaves auto manufacturers, mechanics, etc.
 
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Let's say Trump is impeached by both House and Senate, but refuses to abdicate his Presidency?
Declares himself King and then nobody in the Senate does anything to support the Impeachment / Removal?

How would you Trump supporters feel about it?
 
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Let's say Trump is impeached by both House and Senate, but refuses to abdicate his Presidency?
Declares himself King and then nobody in the Senate does anything to support the Impeachment / Removal?

How would you Trump supporters feel about it?
Pretty good honestly, because AOC and the other liberal pansies wouldn’t do **** about it.
 
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Let's say Trump is impeached by both House and Senate, but refuses to abdicate his Presidency?
Declares himself King and then nobody in the Senate does anything to support the Impeachment / Removal?

How would you Trump supporters feel about it?
Im not a supporter but I have a voice. Being he is primarily being impeached by congressman and senators that should almost all be impeached I cant take this seriously.
 
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Pretty good honestly, because AOC and the other liberal pansies wouldn’t do **** about it.
I love how you guys choking on Trump's @#$% somehow think the liberals do nothing and yet also are ruining society. It's "liberal pansies" one week and then "oh no, Antifa is going to hurt all of us!" the next. Supporting one man over the Constitution is exactly what you'd be doing at that point.
 
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Let's say Trump is impeached by both House and Senate, but refuses to abdicate his Presidency?
Declares himself King and then nobody in the Senate does anything to support the Impeachment / Removal?

How would you Trump supporters feel about it?
Trump won't leave even if he loses the next election or makes it through another 4 years. He'll be like Milton form Office Space, down in the White House basement with his red stapler since they changed the locks.
 
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Slightly off pure defintition of socialism still is socialism.

Can you enjoy your weekend if we just called it a modified socialist policy with capitalist characteristics? And then can we simplify the term to just"socialism" so we dont get tired typing it all out every time?
I cant enjoy my weekend...I tweaked my lower back during my workout this morning
 
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Let's say Trump is impeached by both House and Senate, but refuses to abdicate his Presidency?
Declares himself King and then nobody in the Senate does anything to support the Impeachment / Removal?

How would you Trump supporters feel about it?
Even if he is impeached, there's a good chance he wont be removed anyway

Then hes re elected and remains in office for 4 more years
 
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So, um, if I support Trump over the democrats, I am an idiot??

That seems like an ironic thought process.
 
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So, um, if I support Trump over the democrats, I am an idiot??

That seems like an ironic thought process.
Simply supporting anything doesn't make you an idiot. Your reasoning might, so you'd have to elaborate. Somebody can support hepatitis and it would come down to their rationale.
 
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Simply supporting anything doesn't make you an idiot. Your reasoning might, so you'd have to elaborate. Somebody can support hepatitis and it would come down to their rationale.
This is reasonable, but it isn't in line with a lot of what is being said on here.

I mean, if someone started a thread like this about Obama during his term they would have been called racist.

And unreasonable criticism of any President is always going to be there. George Washington refused to go out in public during his second term because the criticism was unbearable.

And it is funny that the same arguments get shot down by a party when they are in power, then used by the party when they are not.

I mean, Clinton seriously obstructed justice by robbing a woman of her day in court, and the libs made America believe it was a little lie about him getting a BJ.

Now, the party of Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton is all up in arms about Trump or Kavenaugh's treatment of women, or Trump saying he could shoot someone on the street. Come on, Kennedy LITERALLY killed someone and got away with it.

And it is ironic that Hilary is accused of being in bed with the Russians with Uranium One and then they turn around and claim Trumo is too...spend all this money, and cannot find a smoking gun.

Now, the latest "transcripts" are pretty foolish. Maybe he could have handled it better. But I negotiate things all day long and I see what he was doing. And if something happens in a foreign country, and there are multiple stories coming out about it, yeah, you should go to the leader and say, "Let's figure this out." That is kind of the point. Leaders SHOULD be talking to each other. At least, that is what Obama said when he wants to talk to Ahmedenajad.

Don't get me wrong, Trump is a d1ck and I wouldn't invite him to dinner. But I could say that about most politicians, and the ones I would invite are the ones I am most afraid of - they are the best at hiding their lies.

Ted Bundy got people to trust him too.

But I would vote for Trump before a woman who thinks it is "part of her family history" to say she is an Indian in order to receive beneficial standing, when the real truth is that her family stole land from the Indians, and her grandfather even killed one.

The real issues are that we need term limits. They are all politicians. Liberal and conservative should be two separate ideals that compete. But we don't have people representing each ideal anymore. We have career politicians who get job security, money and power by growing the government and getting as much reliance on the government by the people as they can (read, impoverishing society).

At least Democrats somewhat should believe in this ideal. Conservatives though...not so much. But they risk their job if they go against it and as such, there are no true conservatives out there. So the best we have is, unfortunately, is Trump.

As far as Clinton's "It's the economy" - I am in a position to make more money next year (one year) than I did in all 8 years of Obama combined - in the same job. There were some tough years in there.

But Trump DID have term limits on his agenda when I voted for him and I have heard nothing of that, which is a big let down.

Anyway, this isn't pointed at you Aleksandar because your response is reasonable. But it isn't like there are so many great options out there and the dems are putting up squeaky clean competitors either.
 
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I’ve heard Swim say this over and over again here and it just couldn’t be more true.. Why does it automatically mean, that if you are against Trump, you are for the Democratic Party and couldn’t possibly agree with any conservative ideals? Why on earth do we have to fit all of what we believe in into one of two political parties? It’s like getting jumped out of a gang if you are even remotely conservative and think he’s a disgusting human being. Blindly swallowing the right’s agenda is what I don’t agree with, and I have to admit, cumulatively, I lean slightly more right, but 110% support gay rights and I’m totally indifferent to abortion since I’m a man, it should be as legal as a man getting a vasectomy. So having views that clash with a political parties views, and thinking Trump is an embarrassment to this country is somehow blasphemous to republicans? This is why I despise politics, it’s the most limited tunnel vision ever, and the best candidate never wins. Ever. They bail when their ratings are too low and back someone worse for the “greater good”. This last election is proof positive that we are to be served only the vilest from two despicable parties and that’s why half the nation didn’t bother to vote. This system is broken and we don’t even feel like we have any say in our government anymore, and they are supposedly supposed to be public servants.
 
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I’ve heard Swim say this over and over again here and it just couldn’t be more true.. Why does it automatically mean, that if you are against Trump, you are for the Democratic Party and couldn’t possibly agree with any conservative ideals? Why on earth do we have to fit all of what we believe in into one of two political parties? It’s like getting jumped out of a gang if you are even remotely conservative and think he’s a disgusting human being. Blindly swallowing the right’s agenda is what I don’t agree with, and I have to admit, cumulatively, I lean slightly more right, but 110% support gay rights and I’m totally indifferent to abortion since I’m a man, it should be as legal as a man getting a vasectomy. So having views that clash with a political parties views, and thinking Trump is an embarrassment to this country is somehow blasphemous to republicans? This is why I despise politics, it’s the most limited tunnel vision ever, and the best candidate never wins. Ever. They bail when their ratings are too low and back someone worse for the “greater good”. This last election is proof positive that we are to be served only the vilest from two despicable parties and that’s why half the nation didn’t bother to vote. This system is broken and we don’t even feel like we have any say in our government anymore, and they are supposedly supposed to be public servants.
I get where you are coming from - and what I wrote is not necessarily contradicting you. My point is that some of what Trump gets bashed for really IS fake news and manipulation, some of it is just him being a d1ck, and some is probably true of the people running against him or using things against him.

So to bash someone FOR supporting Trump is a little short sighted too.

Haha, I was joking

It's just the go to from all orange man bad ppl
I know, I was kidding back. All good.

You mean he is orange like an Orangutan?
 
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I’ve heard Swim say this over and over again here and it just couldn’t be more true.. Why does it automatically mean, that if you are against Trump, you are for the Democratic Party and couldn’t possibly agree with any conservative ideals? Why on earth do we have to fit all of what we believe in into one of two political parties? It’s like getting jumped out of a gang if you are even remotely conservative and think he’s a disgusting human being. Blindly swallowing the right’s agenda is what I don’t agree with, and I have to admit, cumulatively, I lean slightly more right, but 110% support gay rights and I’m totally indifferent to abortion since I’m a man, it should be as legal as a man getting a vasectomy. So having views that clash with a political parties views, and thinking Trump is an embarrassment to this country is somehow blasphemous to republicans? This is why I despise politics, it’s the most limited tunnel vision ever, and the best candidate never wins. Ever. They bail when their ratings are too low and back someone worse for the “greater good”. This last election is proof positive that we are to be served only the vilest from two despicable parties and that’s why half the nation didn’t bother to vote. This system is broken and we don’t even feel like we have any say in our government anymore, and they are supposedly supposed to be public servants.
Couldn't agree more. The idea that your views on the science behind climate change are tied to your views on gay marriage or gun right or abortion or welfare has always been insane to me.
 
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I get where you are coming from - and what I wrote is not necessarily contradicting you. My point is that some of what Trump gets bashed for really IS fake news and manipulation, some of it is just him being a d1ck, and some is probably true of the people running against him or using things against him.

So to bash someone FOR supporting Trump is a little short sighted too.



I know, I was kidding back. All good.

You mean he is orange like an Orangutan?
Just like an orangutan
 
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Couldn't agree more. The idea that your views on the science behind climate change are tied to your views on gay marriage or gun right or abortion or welfare has always been insane to me.
Yes, this is well said.

While I don't think think abortion should be as free as getting a vasectomy - since getting tubes tied would be a better pairing and that IS as free as getting a vasectomy.

Still. Abortions and global warming, etc. -
Just like an orangutan
Well, it was OK for Bill Maher to call him an Orangutan. And then there is Roseanne Barr who said the same thing about someone else. The only difference between the two situations was the color of the target's skin.

And somehow, Roseanne is the racist. It is funny because all the people against her and OK with Maher don't even realize THEY are applying different standards based on skin color.
 
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This is reasonable, but it isn't in line with a lot of what is being said on here.

I mean, if someone started a thread like this about Obama during his term they would have been called racist.

And unreasonable criticism of any President is always going to be there. George Washington refused to go out in public during his second term because the criticism was unbearable.

And it is funny that the same arguments get shot down by a party when they are in power, then used by the party when they are not.

I mean, Clinton seriously obstructed justice by robbing a woman of her day in court, and the libs made America believe it was a little lie about him getting a BJ.

Now, the party of Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton is all up in arms about Trump or Kavenaugh's treatment of women, or Trump saying he could shoot someone on the street. Come on, Kennedy LITERALLY killed someone and got away with it.

And it is ironic that Hilary is accused of being in bed with the Russians with Uranium One and then they turn around and claim Trumo is too...spend all this money, and cannot find a smoking gun.

Now, the latest "transcripts" are pretty foolish. Maybe he could have handled it better. But I negotiate things all day long and I see what he was doing. And if something happens in a foreign country, and there are multiple stories coming out about it, yeah, you should go to the leader and say, "Let's figure this out." That is kind of the point. Leaders SHOULD be talking to each other. At least, that is what Obama said when he wants to talk to Ahmedenajad.

Don't get me wrong, Trump is a d1ck and I wouldn't invite him to dinner. But I could say that about most politicians, and the ones I would invite are the ones I am most afraid of - they are the best at hiding their lies.

Ted Bundy got people to trust him too.

But I would vote for Trump before a woman who thinks it is "part of her family history" to say she is an Indian in order to receive beneficial standing, when the real truth is that her family stole land from the Indians, and her grandfather even killed one.

The real issues are that we need term limits. They are all politicians. Liberal and conservative should be two separate ideals that compete. But we don't have people representing each ideal anymore. We have career politicians who get job security, money and power by growing the government and getting as much reliance on the government by the people as they can (read, impoverishing society).

At least Democrats somewhat should believe in this ideal. Conservatives though...not so much. But they risk their job if they go against it and as such, there are no true conservatives out there. So the best we have is, unfortunately, is Trump.

As far as Clinton's "It's the economy" - I am in a position to make more money next year (one year) than I did in all 8 years of Obama combined - in the same job. There were some tough years in there.

But Trump DID have term limits on his agenda when I voted for him and I have heard nothing of that, which is a big let down.

Anyway, this isn't pointed at you Aleksandar because your response is reasonable. But it isn't like there are so many great options out there and the dems are putting up squeaky clean competitors either.
I think you think you're being honest and fair, but how are we still talking about Hillary and Uranium One when there was no smoking gun found there either? And just a disclaimer if you haven't seen me say it in other threads, I think both Clintons should have been tried in the Hague a long time ago.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the Ukraine call. I don't think it was an impeachable act and I think impeaching is a waste of time at this point, although I have questions on where records of those calls were stored and why they were stored there. But I also don't buy this spin I keep hearing from several people that it's his job to investigate crimes in other countries, because it's not and you're being naive if you thought it had nothing to do with Biden as a political opponent and somebody Trump simply doesn't like. Trump knew the facts and still ran with the conspiracy theory crap to drum up drama in a way that was unethical. And the evidence is what, that Biden's son did a job he wasn't qualified for when we don't even know what the job was? Welcome to the world of consulting and venture capitalists. And he got paid a crazy amount of money? So Trump, who has kids who make a crazy amount of money doing similar things, is calling out another person's kid who made a lot of money as criminal?! I'm all for investigating, but it should have been done through law enforcement and prosecutors.
 
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I think you think you're being honest and fair, but how are we still talking about Hillary and Uranium One when there was no smoking gun found there either? And just a disclaimer if you haven't seen me say it in other threads, I think both Clintons should have been tried in the Hague a long time ago.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the Ukraine call. I don't think it was an impeachable act and I think impeaching is a waste of time at this point, although I have questions on where records of those calls were stored and why they were stored there. But I also don't buy this spin I keep hearing from several people that it's his job to investigate crimes in other countries, because it's not and you're being naive if you thought it had nothing to do with Biden as a political opponent and somebody Trump simply doesn't like. Trump knew the facts and still ran with the conspiracy theory crap to drum up drama in a way that was unethical. And the evidence is what, that Biden's son did a job he wasn't qualified for when we don't even know what the job was? Welcome to the world of consulting and venture capitalists. And he got paid a crazy amount of money? So Trump, who has kids who make a crazy amount of money doing similar things, is calling out another person's kid who made a lot of money as criminal?! I'm all for investigating, but it should have been done through law enforcement and prosecutors.
The Uranium One thing not having a smoking gun isn't my point. To be fair, I think the Uranium One deal is likely a complicated transaction that probably isn't as suspicious as it looks. My understanding is that it wasn't like we were actually sending Uranium to Russia.

But the point is, Hillary was being blamed for being in league with the Russians well before Trump came along. And now they are leveling the same claims against Trump.

And the Dems say, "No smoking gun" about Hillary and the Repubs say, "No smoking gun" about Trump.

As far as the Biden thing - you are probably right. And Obama surveilled an American citizen for political advantage.

I am not saying it is right, it is dirty business. I don't know how to fix it. But I also suspect that a lot of it gets used as a news advantage when something is just a complex thing that looks bad on the surface (Like Uranium One.)
 
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I love how you guys choking on Trump's @#$% somehow think the liberals do nothing and yet also are ruining society. It's "liberal pansies" one week and then "oh no, Antifa is going to hurt all of us!" the next. Supporting one man over the Constitution is exactly what you'd be doing at that point.
Uh, no, antifa is not going to hurt all of us. They’ve proven repeatedly they’re overly just a bunch of pussies that carry crow bars and bats. Not scared a bit.

Don’t understand the rest of your post, must be hard to type with Obama’s cock taste still in your mouth.
 
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Uh, no, antifa is not going to hurt all of us. They’ve proven repeatedly they’re overly just a bunch of pussies that carry crow bars and bats. Not scared a bit.

Don’t understand the rest of your post, must be hard to type with Obama’s cock taste still in your mouth.
Obama lied to his voters and was a crap President. What else you got, Elsa?
 
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Yes, this is well said.

While I don't think think abortion should be as free as getting a vasectomy - since getting tubes tied would be a better pairing and that IS as free as getting a vasectomy.

Still. Abortions and global warming, etc. -


Well, it was OK for Bill Maher to call him an Orangutan. And then there is Roseanne Barr who said the same thing about someone else. The only difference between the two situations was the color of the target's skin.

And somehow, Roseanne is the racist. It is funny because all the people against her and OK with Maher don't even realize THEY are applying different standards based on skin color.
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Yes. You'd be an idiot for still supporting Trump.
 
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This is probably the biggest problem the DNC will face in 2020... who is actually a better candidate than Trump?
Or, who do they have that is slightly less trash than Obomo's 3rd term aka Prezident Dump.
 
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Ya'll go ahead and laugh, he is better than any and all of them single party Demican and Republicrat shytfuqs pretending to hate each other thats running right now!
 
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The Constitution.
 
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Obviously you don't know why I used the time frame 6 years...think for yourself! Use your brain. I could use the word forever..yes forever..for the other 10 percent. Read my friend..think for yourself..stop being a sucker. You and people like you are why jim jones was able to convince 900 people to commit suicide in Gahanna..
Use your own brain. Again..I don't support anyone in this shitshow.

Had to post this cause its funny..dudes stealing my stuff..lol. I wrote it first. I want paid...lol.
 

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Also..i had to write this. My guys that know this aleady do. But, after my divorce, and living on the streets, and still going to the gym, 2 miles every day walking, I learned a lot about what makes a human a decent a person. I lost every thing I every had, including my kids, but I kept moving forward. I still take the bus every damn day, and I hate it, but I am grateful for how this experience has opened my eyes. Homeless, I hit crazy powerlifter numbers, semi homeless i came back to running half marathons, lost 100lbs of muscle...and donate whatever money I can make to people who need it. So my life isnt about politics, doesnt effect me. My life is about helping people who were in my situation.
 
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Yup. Fox news = fake.

Boingboing.net=legit AF.

Awesome video though. A president like that would save us a fortune in taxes just because we wouldn't need the secret service anymore.
 
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The guy who made the video was invited to the WH. It was shown in Miami at Trumps property.

Yep.
If the shoe fits.

Find any other source for the video. That doesn’t change a thing. Also. YouTube took it down. Probably copywrite reasons.
 
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The guy who made the video was invited to the WH. It was shown in Miami at Trumps property.

Yep.
If the shoe fits.

Find any other source for the video. That doesn’t change a thing. Also. YouTube took it down. Probably copywrite reasons.
Don't let this distract you from the the fact that in 1966, Al Bundy scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High School, including the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds against his old nemesis, Bubba "Spare Tire" Dixon.
 
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The guy who made the video was invited to the WH. It was shown in Miami at Trumps property.

Yep.
If the shoe fits.

Find any other source for the video. That doesn’t change a thing. Also. YouTube took it down. Probably copywrite reasons.
Trump has already condemned the video and the fact that "the guy who made it was invited to the White House", if that is even real news (true) doesn't mean much. Bill Gates met with Jeffrey Epstein. Lots of people go to the White House.

The point is you are using poor editorial to support what you want to believe. The source of an idea doesn't have any bearing on its truth, that is correct - but I'm not sure I would overtly trust the reporting of "boingboing.net" either - especially while calling someone an idiot for supporting someone who talks about "fake news" and then using such poor sources in your counter. It is highly, highly ironic and does more to prove him right than you would probably like.

Even a quick Google search would have shown you that every major media outlet talks about him condemning the video. And saying that it was shown in one of Trumps hotels to supporters is a little dramatic....it is designed to manipulate. The video was not viewed in Trumps presence, nor part of any of the proceedings sanctioned by Trump's organizers.

Also, you DO realize that video isn't real, right? It isn't really an "orginal source" in the way you are applying it. It is as fake as the story you have built around it.


Why do you equate defending the Constitution with #resist?
I just find it a bit ironic how many people will "resist" a constitutionally elected president, while claiming that they are upholding the constitution. Kind of like, "This constitutionally elected president won't leave office, so let's change the constitution to protect the constitution and ensure that the rules of becoming elected are different."

People just blow me away with their reasoning.
 

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