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Its not a silly comment, it's a fact like water is wet. There is no way to know what can be achieved natural. You can't say 1 particular person is the maxium natural can be and no1 can be bigger. No1 knows. Now can you look like ramy or phil heath and be natural, of course not. But you can't make a cut off point. No1 can draw a definitive line
 
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Its not a silly comment, it's a fact like water is wet. There is no way to know what can be achieved natural. You can't say 1 particular person is the maxium natural can be and no1 can be bigger. No1 knows. Now can you look like ramy or phil heath and be natural, of course not. But you can't make a cut off point. No1 can draw a definitive line
Yes you absolutely can. I can already tell your expectations for what can be achieved naturally are way too high. As a matter of fact the hardest fake Nattys to spot are the guys who look like average fucking joes. How many guys on this forum have you seen running gear, darks, prohormones, etc that look just average? Lots!! The amount of guys actually using PEDs is drastically under estimated. Tons of average joes are using steroids in 2019.
 
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Yes you absolutely can. I can already tell your expectations for what can be achieved naturally are way too high. As a matter of fact the hardest fake Nattys to spot are the guys who look like average fucking joes. How many guys on this forum have you seen running gear, darks, prohormones, etc that look just average? Lots!! The amount of guys actually using PEDs is drastically under estimated. Tons of average joes are using steroids in 2019.
I know tons of people that use gear who look completely like your average Joe and my expectations of what can be achieved natural are not that high, you're completely taking what I said out of context. You cannot say that a particular person is at their maximum limit and no one can be bigger than that person, that there's no way someone can't have one more pound of muscle then what someone says is the absolute maximum. No one knows for sure what can be achieved naturally what is maximum that is a fact. I understand there are plenty of fake Natty's plenty of guys who look normal. plenty of guys who don't look like their on gear that take it but that means nothing to the fact that you can't say a particular person is the biggest that's achievable naturally
 
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You both have valid points, but it’s not just about the size. Obtaining huge amounts of mass while maintaining cuts and striations is what gives up the fake natty. Obtaining both of those is a one in a million chance of a genetic freak. The vast majority of ironhands pictures are huge and ripped, not happening naturally.
 
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There is no accurate way to know what is possible natural. Only a tiny percentage of ppl are bodybuilders. There could be millions of ppl with superior genetics for muscle growth that have never touched a weight. When I was in middle school the center for the basketball team, a 12 year old, was 6'4 200+ and looked 25. I still see him around and you would think hes in the gym all the time and hes a drunk and does blow and not work out at all! but is jacked. All that said, moat these guys he post about are probably on gear
I agree 100%
 
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You both have valid points, but it’s not just about the size. Obtaining huge amounts of mass while maintaining cuts and striations is what gives up the fake natty. Obtaining both of those is a one in a million chance of a genetic freak. The vast majority of ironhands pictures are huge and ripped, not happening naturally.
100% agree. But it has nothing to do with what I'm saying. The only point in trying to make is no1 can set a genetic limit that is the most attainable naturally. No1 can put a picture up that says this is the limit that no1 can surpass
 
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^bodybuilder on the right was natty, I think bodybuilder on the left claims to be natty but no one believes him
 
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^bodybuilder on the right was natty, I think bodybuilder on the left claims to be natty but no one believes him
Well if he claims natural, we have to believe him, right? Nobody would lie about that would they?
 
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Well if he claims natural, we have to believe him, right? Nobody would lie about that would they?
He just looks too massive and shredded to me, sorry, I hope I'm wrong, maybe he's a genetic freak
 
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He just looks too massive and shredded to me, sorry, I hope I'm wrong, maybe he's a genetic freak
He looks absolutely no different then half the pictures you post yet you believe them because they say so. What’s the difference here? Your logic makes no sense to me at all.
 
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I have changed my mind about zach zeiler, I believe he is natty now, he just have elite genetics, especially for arms and chest, and crazy fast metabolism so he's naturally shredded, but it took me a while to believe him. here's the video
 
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He looks absolutely no different then half the pictures you post yet you believe them because they say so. What’s the difference here? Your logic makes no sense to me at all.
I have changed my mind, he's just very gifted, usually white dudes are not that genetically gifted for muscle mass, it's usually blacks who have crazy genetics, but zach is one of those rare white kids with crazy good genetics for bodybuilding
 
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I have changed my mind, he's just very gifted, usually white dudes are not that genetically gifted for muscle mass, it's usually blacks who have crazy genetics, but zach is one of those rare white kids with crazy good genetics for bodybuilding
Well, ok. I hung on as long as I could.
IH thanks again for sharing all your insane illogical reasoning, but it’s time I should be going. Joining this thread was on a par with my second ex wife. Just a bad idea that I’m never going to get anything out of. Except for quasi-gay pics of dudes I’ve never heard of.

Have a great life l, or whatever.
(but we unfortunately know that’s unlikely)
 
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I have changed my mind, he's just very gifted, usually white dudes are not that genetically gifted for muscle mass, it's usually blacks who have crazy genetics, but zach is one of those rare white kids with crazy good genetics for bodybuilding
That has got to be one of the most ridiculous and uneducated statements I have ever heard. There is truly something wrong with you.
 
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Well, ok. I hung on as long as I could.
IH thanks again for sharing all your insane illogical reasoning, but it’s time I should be going. Joining this thread was on a par with my second ex wife. Just a bad idea that I’m never going to get anything out of. Except for quasi-gay pics of dudes I’ve never heard of.

Have a great life l, or whatever.
(but we unfortunately know that’s unlikely)
Don't let door hit you on way out
 
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IronHands? Cmon with this stuff hereView attachment 185233
What’s the matter with you?
Ahhhahahahaaa! Ty soooo much bro. I see you posted around a lot and have never had any interactions with you personally but I know you're a cool cat and this right here confirms it! This is some ridiculously stupid **** right here
 
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Nobody has made a homophobic statements here bro. There are I'm guessing entire forums and sites with massive amounts of pictures of nothing but a bunch of muscle-bound twinks that you are obviously attracted to for one reason or another whether or not you realize it. That is what people have recognized and are trying to call to your attention and with that I'm out of here as well. And no I won't let the door hit my ass on the way out, don't let it swing back the other way and hit you in the vagina.
 
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You mean Greg Doucette the guy on YouTube constantly posting videos about different steroids and how to use them? I can't believe I'm participating in this crap
Yep, the same guy. Once again, ironhands has no idea what he’s even posting.
 
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i will ignore silly comments
How the hell is that a silly comment? The guy you just claimed natural has a failed drug test under his belt and instructs on the use of steroids. Again with the logic ironhands.
 
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How the hell is that a silly comment? The guy you just claimed natural has a failed drug test under his belt and instructs on the use of steroids. Again with the logic ironhands.
No, you guys are confusing derik farnsworth with someone else
 
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Np, i forgive you
I forgive you for being wrong on most of your posts too ironhands. And I forgive you for ignoring "silly comments" that correct you and expose your errors. I understand that some people simply can't better themselves. Like an alcoholic you have to want to be a better person and your clearly not at that first step yet.
 
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Why does any1 care what the guy posts. I'm just as guilty of bustin his balls but the endless bickering and asking for proof and blah blah blah is getting rediculous. Also I unsubscribed to this thread 3 times and still get notifications, wtf
 
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I am so done with anything Ironhands. This guy has no clue. Let him post his gay porn pics
 

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