First, I’m not naive that most test boosters are garbage. With that said is there anything out there someone has had scientific proof (bloods maybe) that has helped raise test in combination with post cycle therapy? Thanks!
Clomid nolva and I know it’s not needed to stack them but I’ve been on for a while and have both so why not. I’ll check that out.Not sure what else you’re running in PCT, but from a natty test booster perspective, M-Test from CEL is very tough to beat. Outstanding ingredients for a good price ($30). Great not only for supporting testosterone and free testosterone, but also cortisol. Should notice nice libido boost too.
Someone posted bloodwork recently that showed favorable affects on testosterone.
I’ll check them outI'd be interested to see how many have tried to get bloods before and after.. In general though, test boosters I typically go with are BLR Viron or alphamax xt.
I would second Viron. The log below has bloods for another BLR supplement, but goes to show that the products work.I'd be interested to see how many have tried to get bloods before and after.. In general though, test boosters I typically go with are BLR Viron or alphamax xt.
On this site?Someone recently posted bloods on CEL m-Test and it was a significant increase in test. I’ve ran it several times and the libido boost is very hard to beat
M-test is cheaper and contains the main actives in Viron + more (and the bloods posted above aren’t even for Viron).Alright it’s a split decision now. We’ve got two votes for both viron and m test. M test is less expensive but I like that there is bloods from blr supplements. Hmmmmmm
WINNER MTESTM-test is cheaper and contains the main actives in Viron + more (and the bloods posted above aren’t even for Viron).
Not in PCT, but this should be one of the threads with someone who did bloodwork while taking M-test: CEL M-Test Bloodwork
CEL M-Test Bloodwork - AnabolicMinds.com
As a supplement consumer and connoisseur (with no affiliations, might I add), I thought it would be interesting to know that I recently had some positive blood results whilst running a cycle of Competitive Edge Labs' M-Test, which I would attribute to that product. By way of brief background...anabolicminds.com
Yes sir and I see resolve linked it for youOn this site?
m-test is a great choice, I've had great results stacking m-test with sustain alpha.WINNER MTEST
This is what I’m running for PCT on this cycle.m-test is a great choice, I've had great results stacking m-test with sustain alpha.
sustain alpha is a combo of 7,8 benzoflavone and resveratrol. it has a mild AI effect and i get a great libido boost, not to mention the fantastic mood.
many guys here at AM use sustain alpha as part of pct.
report back on clomid (rx?). nolva great at protect breast while e2 normalize, but there reason it not off label for trt. i like both for pct (before i on trt) - but must be rx (unless you pre-test your rc with blood draw for $70). good luck!Got nothing besides a quick libido boost for a week or two from running MTest + Sustain Alpha in PCT alongside nolva. Ran 8 weeks MTest, 4 weeks Sustain Alpha.
Bloodwork confirmed my test levels didn't even bounce back to pre cycle. I'm on clomid now for the next couple of weeks to hopefully fix that.
Everything else on the bloodwork was good though. Just posting my experience.
Many more logs and reviews like this one to back up the product.I would second Viron. The log below has bloods for another BLR supplement, but goes to show that the products work.
https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/blr-letrone-rebirth-lets-get-those-hormones-flowing-d-bloods.273883/
The clomid is for research use, not Rx, but the source is very reputable. I'll definitely get blood work again after clomid use. I'm doing 4 weeks at 25mg/day. I'll probably wait another month after use and get blood drawn again, and i'll try to remember this post to update.report back on clomid (rx?). nolva great at protect breast while e2 normalize, but there reason it not off label for trt. i like both for pct (before i on trt) - but must be rx (unless you pre-test your rc with blood draw for $70). good luck!
that is a unfair comparison given the fact that some are more slow to bounce back to normal in pct.Got nothing besides a quick libido boost for a week or two from running MTest + Sustain Alpha in PCT alongside nolva. Ran 8 weeks MTest, 4 weeks Sustain Alpha.
Bloodwork confirmed my test levels didn't even bounce back to pre cycle. I'm on clomid now for the next couple of weeks to hopefully fix that.
Everything else on the bloodwork was good though. Just posting my experience.
ahhh. i do not like wanting to wait 2 months for to see if research chem working. not when hpta recovery at risk. if go that way, should get two different bottles (company a and company b) and rotate e.o.d. i wish you luck my friend!The clomid is for research use, not Rx, but the source is very reputable. I'll definitely get blood work again after clomid use. I'm doing 4 weeks at 25mg/day. I'll probably wait another month after use and get blood drawn again, and i'll try to remember this post to update.
My comparison comes from my test levels having bounced back fine from using the same nolva dose, without anything else, for 4 weeks after my prior cycle. That is why I was hoping for a little more by including MTest and SA alongside nolva this time around. Oh well.that is a unfair comparison given the fact that some are more slow to bounce back to normal in pct.
with that said it has been my experience that not everyone reacts positively to anything. many guys have good things to say about both m-test and sustain alpha as part of pct, apparently they didn't work as well for you as they have for others.
Thanks for the good wishes. Sorry I'll take too long to give results lol. All my levels are in "normal" range right now, so I'm not worried about recovery. I'm using clomid to get closer to "my" normal.ahhh. i do not like wanting to wait 2 months for to see if research chem working. not when hpta recovery at risk. if go that way, should get two different bottles (company a and company b) and rotate e.o.d. i wish you luck my friend!
no, i mean if i was you - not that i expect report from you! lol!!!!!! "normal" range joke - what labcorp min down to now, 290? and they drop max to 900s? (i go look, hold on)... 264! to 916! travesty. they keep getting sicker and sicker people to base "nomal" on. i like dr. rand mcclain = 800+ for therapeutic benefit.Thanks for the good wishes. Sorry I'll take too long to give results lol. All my levels are in "normal" range right now, so I'm not worried about recovery. I'm using clomid to get closer to "my" normal.
There are plenty of 30.00 products out there but no natural test boosters that are as comprehensive as M-Test because it is so loaded with ingredients that it selling for less than 30.00 makes it a very low margin product. Great for consumers but not appealing margins for many companies. CEL frequently has retailers get upset that they don't try to enforce higher MAP pricing on it but the point with M-Test is to offer the absolute best product at a price that everyone can afford.Other companies really need to start looking at M-Test and re-designing their Natural T-boosters to hit that sweet $30 mark.
Got nothing besides a quick libido boost for a week or two from running MTest + Sustain Alpha in PCT alongside nolva. Ran 8 weeks MTest, 4 weeks Sustain Alpha.
Bloodwork confirmed my test levels didn't even bounce back to pre cycle. I'm on clomid now for the next couple of weeks to hopefully fix that.
Everything else on the bloodwork was good though. Just posting my experience.
Also advise you to compare. Try out Viron, rebirth, letrone combo. If your budget allows.Picked up mtest to give it a shot along side pct. I will report back and let you guys know if it helped. However, I doubt that I’ll be able to tell if that alone had any significant role since I’m stacking it with my pct protocol. Will probably get another bottle for shits after my levels are back to baseline. Cheers
shbg not being worried about by trt docs now, since it appear that shbg can dock at androgen receptor. dr scott stevens just talk about this. even when "free t" was rallying cry, they never rx (i think danazol?) to lower shbg - they just increase testosterone dose. clomiphene have capable to raise testosterone really high - even over trt levels (say 900s or even 1000) - many bloodwork all over showing 12 and some 1300 on clomid. my last 6? blood draws have show carbohydrates to influence shbg: low carb=high(er) shbg. shbg now being looked as reservoir of testosterone.If you react well to boron and nettle root extract, it will lower shbg and free test. Typically during PCT, shbg rises, and so does total test, but free test is where it matters, and since shbg is high during pct, free test is low. So if you react well to boron and nettle extract, and shilajit, you should feel better than with just a SERM alone.
TRT docs will increase total t because that usually bumps up free t. I read an article that showed a study that someone who had low free t had all the symptoms of low test even though he had moderate high total test levels. I have a friend that had low free T, and he was having horrible low test symptoms. He was able to triple his free t levels and he felt like a different man.shbg not being worried about by trt docs now, since it appear that shbg can dock at androgen receptor. dr scott stevens just talk about this. even when "free t" was rallying cry, they never rx (i think danazol?) to lower shbg - they just increase testosterone dose. clomiphene have capable to raise testosterone really high - even over trt levels (say 900s or even 1000) - many bloodwork all over showing 12 and some 1300 on clomid. my last 6? blood draws have show carbohydrates to influence shbg: low carb=high(er) shbg. shbg now being looked as reservoir of testosterone.
what supplement site are you getting your clomid from?shbg not being worried about by trt docs now, since it appear that shbg can dock at androgen receptor. dr scott stevens just talk about this. even when "free t" was rallying cry, they never rx (i think danazol?) to lower shbg - they just increase testosterone dose. clomiphene have capable to raise testosterone really high - even over trt levels (say 900s or even 1000) - many bloodwork all over showing 12 and some 1300 on clomid. my last 6? blood draws have show carbohydrates to influence shbg: low carb=high(er) shbg. shbg now being looked as reservoir of testosterone.
Stacked or back to back?Also advise you to compare. Try out Viron, rebirth, letrone combo. If your budget allows.
I’ve been reading how Nettle root is not optimal for T Boosting as lowers DHT and reduces something but didn’t quite understand. Seems to divide opinion Nettle rootIf you react well to boron and nettle root extract, it will lower shbg and free test. Typically during PCT, shbg rises, and so does total test, but free test is where it matters, and since shbg is high during pct, free test is low. So if you react well to boron and nettle extract, and shilajit, you should feel better than with just a SERM alone.
designer supplements activate and rebound xt were the top test boosters around 10 years ago.I’ve been reading how Nettle root is not optimal for T Boosting as lowers DHT and reduces something but didn’t quite understand. Seems to divide opinion Nettle root
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