If you could create an all in one natty supp...
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Iwilleattuna
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Sorry I meant 20mg25 mg of bioperine
Iwilleattuna
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Interesting because when I take beet root the pump is crazy. Never tried Pom extract, what is that like?
djbombsquad
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Is lowering myo a big thing. I though myo products are a bunk
TheSuppGuy
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Is PA even safe? I take 6-7 tabs of 350mg AA
Jeremyk1
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Phosphatidic acid supplements are basically just soy lecithin.
Slims
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PA is very safe. I've ran months of it a few times with no negative side effects. The muscle pumps and hardness from the good stuff (Mediator), is like nothing else.
Jiigzz
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Oops missed this.
I kinda just took noHypes word for it on this onw. Guy is very knowledgeable
ELROCK
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Yes, PA is very safe. When it first came out I was running it for almost a year straight (PA products and then SL). During that time I was getting bloodwork done every 3 months. Everything checked out good.
Edit: at that time people thought SL would raise estrogen, but their was no change in my E2 numbers.
dinot1985
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This extract from the book will explain best.
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POMEGRANITE™
The pomegranate is a fruit that was held sacred by many of the world's major religions. It is a symbol of hope, one of the ‘three blessed fruits’ in Buddhism, and a symbol of resurrection in Christianity. The pomegranate’s medicinal properties were already recognised in antiquity. The pomegranate is said to be the Tree of Life, and speculated as being the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden. Its Latin name Punica granatum literally means ‘seeded apple’ Invalid Link Removed.
The pomegranate fruit is used in medicine as a symbol of persistence of life, fertility, and regeneration, originating from the Greek myth of Persephone. It is present in the coat of arms of The British Medical Association, The Royal College of Physicians, The Royal College of Midwives, and The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists Invalid Link Removed.
The punicalagin polyphenols present in PJE have clinically shown to be a potent endothelial nitric oxide synthase (eNOS) activators Invalid Link Removed.
The endothelial was once considered as a simple barrier between the blood and vessel wall, but now we know that it plays a more important role being a dynamic organ which lines the entire vascular system. Endothelial cells line the inner walls of the arteries and control vascular functions such as vasomotion (which controls blood flow) and inflammation Invalid Link Removed.
Nitric oxide (NO) is an endothelium-dependent vasodilator (Casino et al. 1993) and is created when the enzyme nitric oxide synthase (NOS) converts the amino acid L-arginine Invalid Link Removed.
NO is produced in three ways, known as the three isoforms of NOS.
The first is neuronal nitric oxide synthase (nNOS) which produces NO to act as a neuronal messenger that regulates synaptic neurotransmitter release Invalid Link Removed.
The second is macrophage or inducible nitric oxide synthase (iNOS), which is only expressed in cells that activate the macrophages after injury or inflammation Invalid Link Removed.
The third, and where pomegranate juice extract comes into effect, is endothelial nitric oxide synthase (eNOS), which produces NO in blood vessels Invalid Link Removed.
Through the eNOS isoform PJE relaxes the inner muscles of the blood vessels (endothelial relaxation) Invalid Link Removed, causing the vessels to vasodilate, further promoted by an increase in nitric oxide synthases (NOS) Invalid Link Removed.
NO increases blood flow allowing for improved oxygen and nutrient transport and in this way, PJE also increases oxygenation which improves endurance Invalid Link Removed.
PJE not only increases NO levels but it also protects it by inhibiting superoxide anion, a NO modulator that decreases its bioavailability Invalid Link Removed. PJE does this by promoting the release of an enzyme from the mitochondria called superoxide dismutase (SOD) which acts as an anti-inflammatory by neutralising the highly reactive superoxide anion radical, breaking it down into oxygen and hydrogen peroxide.
When you have an infection, the immune system deploys superoxide from the mitochondria to hunt down the invading microorganisms and destroys them. Once this has been completed, then SOD is released to neutralise superoxide, keeping balance. This balance however shifts as we age and the endothelial lining thins, becoming less optimal at releasing enough SOD, leading to overproduction of superoxide, causing oxidative stress Invalid Link Removed. SOD is important as it also repairs cells damaged by the superoxide anion radical Invalid Link Removed.
Another way PJE protects NO levels is by inhibiting arginase, the enzyme involved in the breakdown of nitric oxide Invalid Link Removed. By inhibiting arginase and the superoxide anion, more NO circulates the body, prolonging muscle pump.
Not only is the muscle pump compromised by these radicals, but actual energy levels too. When a cell is inflamed at the cell membrane (the outer cell wall) and the inner mitochondrial membrane (where energy is produced), nutrients cannot get into the cell and energy cannot escape the cell, causing fatigue Invalid Link Removed.
There are other herbal extracts that work in a similar way protecting NO, such as grape seed extract, but PJE has shown to be superior Invalid Link Removed. A study published in the "Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry" in 2000 reported that pomegranate juice has more than twice the antioxidant content of green tea Invalid Link Removed and grapeseed extract Invalid Link Removed.
By consuming PJE high in punicalagins you will improve endothelial function and improve the benefits that come with it Invalid Link Removed.
Most commercial extracts of pomegranate have been found to be lacking true pomegranate polyphenols, having been adulterated with cheaper and lower quality polyphenol content Invalid Link Removed, however The Anomaly™ uses PomeGranite™ PJE, a high quality 80% standardised extract of punicalagins, unique to the pomegranate alone Invalid Link Removed."
Regarding PA safety, it is very safe.
Regarding myostatin inhibition, supplements do not compare to pharma grade follistatin but they can help with natural progression. Just as how Mediator hasn't made waves in the industry because the clinical dosage is 1.5g, not 750mg like most brands who use it seem to like to say (Mediator is 50% PA), extracts like laxogenin and epicatechin don't deliver because of poor bioavailbility. These ingredients need me to microencapsulated to survive your stomach and get to the intestine to be absorbed.
It is a case of good ingredients but poor technology and I have gone further using TPGS micelle delivery.
Iwilleattuna
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Interesting. I may have to add pomegranate extract into my regime. Grape seed extract is awesome too , so Pom must be crazy.
SwoleNation
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Pretty much described Lithos.. which I have used. Very good product.
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dinot1985
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This looks fantastic. Needs to hit the UK.
KennyAndersonV1
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Simple...For a natty bulk supplement it'd be this:
Dosage: 1 capsule twice daily
Servings per container: 90
Laxogenin 175mg
L-DOPA (2000mg)
Maca: 3000mg
Tongkat Ali: 2400mg
Tribulus (40% saps) 2000mg
Arimistane 100mg
Vitamin D3 (10,000 IU)
Vitamin B complex
Tudca (500mg)
Nac (1000mg)
Milk thistle (1000mg)
---Push all that into one giant capsule and i'd be happy--- LMFAO
Dosage: 1 capsule twice daily
Servings per container: 90
Laxogenin 175mg
L-DOPA (2000mg)
Maca: 3000mg
Tongkat Ali: 2400mg
Tribulus (40% saps) 2000mg
Arimistane 100mg
Vitamin D3 (10,000 IU)
Vitamin B complex
Tudca (500mg)
Nac (1000mg)
Milk thistle (1000mg)
---Push all that into one giant capsule and i'd be happy--- LMFAO
Jeremyk1
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12+ grams of actives in one pill? Also, why the liver support stuff?
Jeremyk1
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12+ grams of actives in one pill? Also, why the liver support stuff?
Jeremyk1
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12+ grams of actives in one pill? Also, why the liver support stuff?
Jeremyk1
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12+ grams of actives in one pill? Also, why the liver support stuff?
Jeremyk1
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12+ grams of actives in one pill? Also, why the liver support stuff?
KennyAndersonV1
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Because I feel you can never go wrong with a liver aid 
a healthy liver is essential to health. and yeah, imagine the size of that capsule LMAO
a healthy liver is essential to health. and yeah, imagine the size of that capsule LMAO
TheSuppGuy
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Just recieved two bottles of BSL Glycolog!! How should I use it?
KennyAndersonV1
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Because I feel you can never go wrong with a liver aid a healthy liver is essential to health. and yeah, imagine the size of that capsule LMAO
a healthy liver is essential to health. and yeah, imagine the size of that capsule LMAO
djbombsquad
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As directed on the label !
Iwilleattuna
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Wow , that looks awesome and it’s trasndermal? Crazy. How’s the Epicatechin and Helios, as well? I may buy this and a couple other things - let you guys know. Never heard of this company. May do a show coming up in June. Currently running ep1logue but closer I’d like to add some more stuff. Thanks.
Iwilleattuna
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Just want to say I’m glad some of you don’t formulate products.
I’m not saying mine was any good but seeing those last ones are straight up dumping a supp shop into a capsule.
Iwilleattuna
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3 grams of maca? 2.4 grams TA and 2 grams of tribulus? I hope you have a wife.
Honest question. Do you take this much daily and if so, what have you noticed? Have you worked upto this over time? I’ve been interesting in mega dosing herbs/supplements to get the promised benefits that we see in studies. - Hypertrophy, fat loss, strength gain and actual superphysiological testosterone boosting that is.
Old Witch
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Because I put in a gram of laxogenin? And mines a drink mix.
Iwilleattuna
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No , I was talking about the formula below you but was jk
Have you ran it at a g. Was wondering if laxo is better in 500-1g doses.
Iwilleattuna
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Actually your formula looks pretty good. Pump and mental benefits would be great
Old Witch
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I’ve run it at 600mg for a few weeks, 900mg for a few days.
I think dosing that high definitely shows its merit vs not dosing that high.
If I was making a formula, and wanted to include it, it would have to be a large dose for sure. I want people to feel it in the gym after just one dose.
I really don’t think it would hurt anyone, ever.
Old Witch
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Yeah it just wouldn’t taste very good no matter what because of the kratom extract. But, yes, the pumps from the various pump ingredients would be similar to taking anavar, and adding the kratom would be like a very conservative dose of Nubain. That will take you across the pain barrier during your sets and allow much more growth to occur as a result.
I guess I’d call it 90’s Pump.
Cheeky Monkey
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Some realy good combos here. I'm just wondering about the pill size though. Could be hard to swallow unless it's in a suppository form. But hey, at least it will absorb well 
djbombsquad
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Does laxgenin really work , I feel like it’s more placebo .
djbombsquad
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How many studies on it do you know and were they human ?
TheSuppGuy
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Sir Whats the best ever supplement you have taken during your career?
Old Witch
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Like, an actual natural supplement supplement? Or drugs that haven’t been scheduled yet? And then, for what?
Best thing ever was 1AD.. I mean really. Gain 15-20 lbs in a month and blood work comes out normal afterward.
Otherwise, the various GDAs and nitrogen products have been pretty solid over the years. Agmatine and norvaline probably the strongest pumps, vanadyl sulfate probably the strongest GDA.
Gentian has been indispensable for increasing appetite, ox bile and other probiotics and digestive enzymes keep everything moving....
The best concept for a supplement system are the Animal Paks of various types.
Ideally you’d have several different paks in one tub and you take this pak in the morning, this pak with meals, this pak before training, this pak before bed.
But I’d put **** in there that really works, at clinical doses. Not what universal is doing.
Personally I like things like cardarine and mk677 instead of trying some new creatine for recovery and endurance etc.
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lovethesteel1980
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laxosterone 100 mg turkesterone 50 mg beta ecdysterone 100 mg hmb 1000 mg Amla fruit extract 500 mg cissus quadranlaris 500 mg hica 500 mg tumeric 250 mg boswellia 250 mg red raspberry leaf extract 100 mg deer velvet antler 100 mg Eleutherococcus senticosus 100 mg maca root 100 mg Epicatechin 250 mg i would call it totalabolic 180 caps per bottle take 6 caps a day serving size 2 capsules for the amount listed lol
TheSuppGuy
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Thank you very much man.
aaronuconn
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+1 for Gentian and appetite. Underrated as a solo ingredient
NoAddedHmones
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10% ara in the powder - so its horridly underdosed.
Jeremyk1
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Didn’t even think about that. The company is pretty good about listing the yield of active ingredients, was hoping that’s what it was. But you’re probably right.
djbombsquad
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I would add something to increase epo in the body pre and post workout.