If you could create an all in one natty supp...

[SwoleNation]

For size and strength, what would be the ingredients.

I would include well known established big hitting ingredients...

Epichetcien
Laxo
PA

I know there are several Epi / Laxo supps out there right now, but not one that includes Phosphatidic Acid.

Also..

Ursolic Acid
Creatine HCI
Ashwagandha
Vaso6

Now I know some companies have a few these already together, but I'm talking about all in one NATTY BEAST.

Hell maybe one of our favorite companies would produce it after we profect the ingredient profile. Lol

What else can I add...

 

[D3x]

Astralagus membranaceous..

Pedalium murex..

 

[The Express 42]

Anacyclus pyrethium 3200mg
Ksm66 600mg
Sensoril 250mg
Lj100 200mg
Epicatchin 600mg
Laxogenin 300mg
Korean Mistletoe 2000mg

 

[Slims]

Per Serving (1 Cap)
PA (Phosphatidic Acid)-500mg Mediator PA
+
ARA (Arachidonic Acid)-500mg ARASYN

Recommended Dosage
Take 3 capsules 45 minutes pre-workout. Prefferably on an empty stomach

 

[musclemaker]

Anacyclus pyrethium 3200mg
Ksm66 600mg
Sensoril 250mg
Lj100 200mg
Epicatchin 600mg
Laxogenin 300mg
Korean Mistletoe 2000mg

600mg of Epicatechin???

Wow!

 

[AndroRage]

For size and strength, what would be the ingredients.

I would include well known established big hitting ingredients...

Epichetcien
Laxo
PA

I know there are several Epi / Laxo supps out there right now, but not one that includes Phosphatidic Acid.

Also..

Ursolic Acid
Creatine HCI
Ashwagandha
Vaso6

Now I know some companies have a few these already together, but I'm talking about all in one NATTY BEAST.

Hell maybe one of our favorite companies would produce it after we profect the ingredient profile. Lol

What else can I add...

Have you used Phosphatidic Acid personally and how were you results/experiences with it?

Also curious of Ursolic Acid, have you used?

Vaso6 is the NO enhancer right? Or is it a natty anabolic?

Edit forgot to mention:
Check out Outbreak Nutrtion new product “Build” I think you may like it

 

[BloodManor]

So many great ingredients out there
But to make them a all I’m one it will cost you $8 a serving

 

[SwoleNation]

So many great ingredients out there
But to make them a all I’m one it will cost you $8 a serving

I figured it would be pricey, but hell some andro stacks cost up to $100. If they made an almighty natty stack, I think people would spend the money.

Using Olympus Labs as an example with their Massacre and Epilogue supps.. Many have bought both at the same time... $100 right there.

 

[SwoleNation]

Have you used Phosphatidic Acid personally and how were you results/experiences with it?

Also curious of Ursolic Acid, have you used?

Vaso6 is the NO enhancer right? Or is it a natty anabolic?

Edit forgot to mention:
Check out Outbreak Nutrtion new product “Build” I think you may like it

I've used PA several times in the past... I believe the last PA supp I used was Jay Cutler's King. Took it pre-workout and experienced increased strength and good pumps. I enjoyed it.

Never used Ursolic Acid, but included it based on information shared on this site.

 

[ironkill]

Have you used Phosphatidic Acid personally and how were you results/experiences with it?

Also curious of Ursolic Acid, have you used?

Vaso6 is the NO enhancer right? Or is it a natty anabolic?

Edit forgot to mention:
Check out Outbreak Nutrtion new product “Build” I think you may like it

Do you know what's in Build? Haven't seen a profile for it yet

 

[BloodManor]

I figured it would be pricey, but hell some andro stacks cost up to $100. If they made an almighty natty stack, I think people would spend the money.

Using Olympus Labs as an example with their Massacre and Epilogue supps.. Many have bought both at the same time... $100 right there.

Andros will always be more effective than natty test products. For $100 I can get 10 weeks of test and some dbol lol

But natty products do have there place - in between cycles, people who stay natty and want a edge .......

 

[AndroRage]

Do you know what's in Build? Haven't seen a profile for it yet

Of the top of my head:
PA 1500mg at 50%
Ursolic Acid 300mg at 50%
Pomegranate standardised to Ellagic Acid 200mg at 40%
Laxo 75mg
Astragin 50mg



I’m not that clued up on natty anabolic but maybe someone more clued up can chime in and say if it’s well dosed or not. Although I have no clue what Ellagic Acid is or does and Ursolic Acid I’m not sure what dose is worthwhile... any ideas bro?

 

[KingErgogenic]

The Express 42 you're missing:
Amentoflavone 100mg
Vaso6 300mg

 

[KingErgogenic]

I want to source Pedalium murex on it's own. Please, can you suggest any vendors?

Thanks

 

[D3x]

I want to source Pedalium murex on it's own. Please, can you suggest any vendors?

Thanks

You can find decent quality raw dried plant material but you'd have to do the ethanolic extraction on it yourself..

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

DAA sodium 3,200
Anacyclus 3,200
Epichetcien 300
Ursolic Acid 300

throw in Agamatine & Vaso for the roids types pumps

 

[-RONIN-]

Anacyclus pyrethium 3200mg
Ksm66 600mg
Sensoril 250mg
Lj100 200mg
Epicatchin 600mg
Laxogenin 300mg
Korean Mistletoe 2000mg

These quantity of KSM and Sensoril and i'll be sleepy and zombie all day, not to say that ashwaghanda takes my thyroid through the roof, and its not very comfortable, maybe dangerous too.

Definitely not a supplement for everyone and not in these doses.

 

[KingErgogenic]

-RONIN-
Agreed, Ash can send me Hyper too.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

These quantity of KSM and Sensoril and i'll be sleepy and zombie all day, not to say that ashwaghanda takes my thyroid through the roof, and its not very comfortable, maybe dangerous too.

Definitely not a supplement for everyone and not in these doses.

If you went with only one of the ashwagandha sources, you have a pretty effective/standard dose. I don't see a need to take both at that dose though.

 

[AndroRage]

The Express 42 you're missing:
Amentoflavone 100mg
Vaso6 300mg

I thought no one used Amentoflavone due to have bad bioavailability?

Have you used it personally bro?

Doesn’t get talked about much...

 

[Jiigzz]

I thought no one used Amentoflavone due to have bad bioavailability?

Have you used it personally bro?

Doesn’t get talked about much...

It fell out of favour after it came under scrutiny by theHype in the thermolife forums some time back.

 

[AndroRage]

It fell out of favour after it came under scrutiny by theHype in the thermolife forums some time back.

So it It worthwhile or was it found to be not worthwhile? Thank you

 

[DEVANS89]

Whatever the main ingredient that was in og Or1gin
X gels
PA (i got got results from the og king)
Hybrid

 

[LeanEngineer]

We need an ARA product + epicatechin + the original anabeta elite.

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

We need an ARA product + epicatechin + the original anabeta elite.

Don’t think ara will ever be put in with other ingredients due to oil blend better to get original xfactor or xgels and stack

 

[Jiigzz]

So it It worthwhile or was it found to be not worthwhile? Thank you

His argument was terrible bioavailability, so deemed it not worthwhile.

People lost interest in it after that

 

[AndroRage]

His argument was terrible bioavailability, so deemed it not worthwhile.

People lost interest in it after that

Your a knowledgeable guy, what are your thoughts on it as an ingredient?

 

[ValiantThor08]

This has epicatechin and ara.

 

[Jeremyk1]

This has epicatechin and ara.View attachment 182386

It’s certainly doable. Problem is, powdered ARA is only a 10% yield. Considering I doubt that product has 13 grams of active ingredients in 3 caps, you’re only getting 100 mg of actual ARA.

 

[ValiantThor08]

It’s certainly doable. Problem is, powdered ARA is only a 10% yield. Considering I doubt that product has 13 grams of active ingredients in 3 caps, you’re only getting 100 mg of actual ARA.

I think it is liquid ara. You can request a sample, and try it. I definitely had the increased pump and inflammation after just trying it once.

 

[Resolve10]

It’s certainly doable. Problem is, powdered ARA is only a 10% yield. Considering I doubt that product has 13 grams of active ingredients in 3 caps, you’re only getting 100 mg of actual ARA.

^^^this.

I think it is liquid ara. You can request a sample, and try it. I definitely had the increased pump and inflammation after just trying it once.

It takes ArA time to build up I highly doubt you felt the inflammation from one single acute dose and especially with that product. Don’t doubt you felt a pump but there are multiple pump agents in that.

 

[ValiantThor08]

^^^this.



It takes ArA time to build up I highly doubt you felt the inflammation from one single acute dose and especially with that product. Don’t doubt you felt a pump but there are multiple pump agents in that.

I understand that. However, I'm hypersensetive to inflammatory agents. I've used agmatine, citruline, glycerol, and all together, but I don't experience the inflammatory and joint aches taking those compared to even a single ara dose. I'm keto, so when I have a carb load meal, I instantly feel a systemic inflammation rise.

 

[ValiantThor08]

When a storm system is a couple days away, my body begins to ache lol. Very senstive to anything that could raise inflammation.

 

[ELROCK]

This has epicatechin and ara.View attachment 182386

The -epi in it says only 10%? The -epi used by BLR is 98% I believe. And I usually see it labeled as 90% with most of the other companies.

 

[ValiantThor08]

The -epi in it says only 10%? The -epi used by BLR is 98% I believe. And I usually see it labeled as 90% with most of the other companies.

True. It is a lower percentage. If I wanted to use an epi product, I would probably get a transdermal version.

 

[Resolve10]

I understand that. However, I'm hypersensetive to inflammatory agents. I've used agmatine, citruline, glycerol, and all together, but I don't experience the inflammatory and joint aches taking those compared to even a single ara dose. I'm keto, so when I have a carb load meal, I instantly feel a systemic inflammation rise.

Ok sure.

 

[ValiantThor08]

Ok sure.

Maybe my inflammation had nothing to do with the ARA.

 

[LeanEngineer]

Don’t think ara will ever be put in with other ingredients due to oil blend better to get original xfactor or xgels and stack

That makes sense. Would be pretty cool if they did combine though

 

[Beau]

I would suggest a supplement that would help reduce hematocrit/hemoglobin for those using AAS or on TRT.

 

[SwoleNation]

Here is one that is coming out that has a pretty decent looking formula... Catch is, not for sale YET in the US.

 

[SwoleNation]

Here is another....

 

[soxbsbll05]

I need to get my hands on that Preponderant somehow...

 

[SwoleNation]

I need to get my hands on that Preponderant somehow...

I made contact with company and they are working on a distributor.... Hopefully happens soon!

 

[dinot1985]

I made contact with company and they are working on a distributor.... Hopefully happens soon!

Yep! Just a few things to be agreed on and logistics. We don't want them coming in too high in price. In the UK Preponderant for example will retail at £40/$52. I want to get as close as possible to that for our US customers.

 

[SwoleNation]

Yep! Just a few things to be agreed on and logistics. We don't want them coming in too high in price. In the UK Preponderant for example will retail at £40/$52. I want to get as close as possible to that for our US customers.

Sounds good! Remember this guy when it comes down to log volunteers and/or opportunities!

 

[dinot1985]

Sounds good! Remember this guy when it comes down to log volunteers and/or opportunities!

Haha logs are definitely something I want to do when these are released!

 

[soxbsbll05]

Yep! Just a few things to be agreed on and logistics. We don't want them coming in too high in price. In the UK Preponderant for example will retail at £40/$52. I want to get as close as possible to that for our US customers.

I am totally okay with paying that price for that type of quality!

 

[aaronuconn]

I am totally okay with paying that price for that type of quality!

It’ll most likely be more once Logistics costs are factored in. Hope not too much more, though

 

[SwoleNation]

It’ll most likely be more once Logistics costs are factored in. Hope not too much more, though

Hopefully not... With all things considered, it's still a natty type supplement and should be set at a reasonable and competitive price. Most well known and respected natty supplements fall within the $40-$50 range.

 

[Iwilleattuna]

I would actually like to create one Similar to yours .

500-1g if Epicatechin
150mg laxogenin
1 gram of beet root extract
25mg bioperine

What do you guy’s think? Maybe adding arachadonic acid, but this may be already super expensive

The pump would be massive