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Spring recomp cycle (Msten, Sustanon, Anavar)

Alchemist11 said:
I'm still very tempted to try Parabolan at 152 mg per week, and maybe switch Anavar with it
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You'll probably be able to avoid sides at that dosage. It's a bit on the lower side tho and without stacking I don't think you'd get much size from it but you could lean out a bit.
 
Chados said:
You'll probably be able to avoid sides at that dosage. It's a bit on the lower side tho and without stacking I don't think you'd get much size from it but you could lean out a bit.
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It would even be more cost effective. I can get 10 weeks of Parabolan at that dosag for 120€, yet, for 6 week of Anavar depot at 60 mg, I'd need 170€... I'll think it through by the end of the week
 
Whole thing is that threads with legit Para logs are impossible to find. And I somehow think that I could achieve same thing with both drugs
 
Alchemist11 said:
Whole thing is that threads with legit Para logs are impossible to find. And I somehow think that I could achieve same thing with both drugs
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Why Parabolan? I mean it's just ester based, if you keep it under 400 and even under 300 I don't think sides will be terrible, the only thing is the emotional side coming off which is very user dependant. At that dosage I don't think you experience any night sweats.
 
Chados said:
Why Parabolan? I mean it's just ester based, if you keep it under 400 and even under 300 I don't think sides will be terrible, the only thing is the emotional side coming off which is very user dependant. At that dosage I don't think you experience any night sweats.
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I think that bc of Hex eater it would be the most enjoyable (less sidies) out of Acetate od Enanthate. A lot of people I spoke to, say that it is one of the best things they ever run (if legit), and bc of slower, hex, ester it is on the lower side of bad sides.

I could be wrong, but thats just how I percieved all that.
 
Alchemist11 said:
I think that bc of Hex eater it would be the most enjoyable (less sidies) out of Acetate od Enanthate. A lot of people I spoke to, say that it is one of the best things they ever run (if legit), and bc of slower, hex, ester it is on the lower side of bad sides.

I could be wrong, but thats just how I percieved all that.
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Yeah well that's the whole purpose of why it was created. I don't think you'd have any significant sides at that dosage with any ester. Besides the night sweats that comes around 400mg from my experience I can tell you that at 200 I had absolutely no sides whatsoever. The only thing is coming off the tren which can be tough depending if you have any demons, having a girlfriend can also be tricky on tren since it can make you paranoid and sensitive.
 
Chados said:
Yeah well that's the whole purpose of why it was created. I don't think you'd have any significant sides at that dosage with any ester. Besides the night sweats that comes around 400mg from my experience I can tell you that at 200 I had absolutely no sides whatsoever. The only thing is coming off the tren which can be tough depending if you have any demons, having a girlfriend can also be tricky on tren since it can make you paranoid and sensitive.
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I had a ****ing gargoyle demon in me when I was on Anadrol... But yet, when I was on Trenavar at 110 mgs, I felt awesome
 
Alchemist11 said:
I had a ****ing gargoyle demon in me when I was on Anadrol... But yet, when I was on Trenavar at 110 mgs, I felt awesome
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Not sure trenavar can be compared with tren because of the dosage. At 100mg trenavar you might get somewhere around 30mg of tren in to your body which is a really low dosage. The good thing with ace is that you can come off easier but even with ace, anxiety tends to linger for weeks at times.
 
Chados said:
Not sure trenavar can be compared with tren because of the dosage. At 100mg trenavar you might get somewhere around 30mg of tren in to your body which is a really low dosage. The good thing with ace is that you can come off easier but even with ace, anxiety tends to linger for weeks at times.
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Yes, but thats my point, with lower dosage, get few, if any, bad sides, and yet feel it working moderatly at least
 
Alchemist11 said:
I think that bc of Hex eater it would be the most enjoyable (less sidies) out of Acetate od Enanthate. A lot of people I spoke to, say that it is one of the best things they ever run (if legit), and bc of slower, hex, ester it is on the lower side of bad sides.

I could be wrong, but thats just how I percieved all that.
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This is all I’ve heard/read, anecdotally. The longest ester is the mildest on sides, and tends to produce better gains in this specific drug vs same mg of say tren A or E. It is also the only one ever medically prescribed to humans, and many stories would corroborate you using just 152mg being a great starter dose indeed.

152mg of tren hex is most definitely going to provide way more results than the Var, that’s for sure.
 
Hyde said:
This is all I’ve heard/read, anecdotally. The longest ester is the mildest on sides, and tends to produce better gains in this specific drug vs same mg of say tren A or E. It is also the only one ever medically prescribed to humans, and many stories would corroborate you using just 152mg being a great starter dose indeed.

152mg of tren hex is most definitely going to provide way more results than the Var, that’s for sure.
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That is my point on this subject
 
Hyde said:
This is all I’ve heard/read, anecdotally. The longest ester is the mildest on sides, and tends to produce better gains in this specific drug vs same mg of say tren A or E. It is also the only one ever medically prescribed to humans, and many stories would corroborate you using just 152mg being a great starter dose indeed.

152mg of tren hex is most definitely going to provide way more results than the Var, that’s for sure.
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But it wasn't ever used medically was it? Not sure it's stronger, seems milder on the sides and longer esters tends to be more anabolic but it's so little that I doubt anyone would notice. Shorter esters tend to have more of the actual compound in them which kinda counters the anabolic long term effect.
 
Chados said:
But it wasn't ever used medically was it? Not sure it's stronger, seems milder on the sides and longer esters tends to be more anabolic but it's so little that I doubt anyone would notice. Shorter esters tend to have more of the actual compound in them which kinda counters the anabolic long term effect.
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Everything you’re saying is accurate & good science, however I’m just saying all the stories (what they really are) indicate otherwise - like it was some miracle growth compound.

I BELIEVE it actually was used medically in Europe, but can’t recall the use. I encourage you to do some digging before accepting that, but I am confident I didn’t make that tidbit up by any means.
 
Hyde said:
Everything you’re saying is accurate & good science, however I’m just saying all the stories (what they really are) indicate otherwise - like it was some miracle growth compound.

I BELIEVE it actually was used medically in Europe, but can’t recall the use. I encourage you to do some digging before accepting that, but I am confident I didn’t make that tidbit up by any means.
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It was made to be used for humans but as far as medically I don't think it ever entered the market but I could be wrong. Yeah some people say it's better just like some say acetate is better than enthanate. People normally eat different during different cycles, they are at different stages etc, I can not tell any difference but the shorter ester is a bit drier normally.

Shorter esters has a bit more mg of the compound in them, at 100mg test prop might be 90 while enthanate is say 75.
The longer ester could be slightly more anabolic while the shorter might hold less water.


I'm sure you know this but just throwing it out there.
 
Hyde said:
Everything you’re saying is accurate & good science, however I’m just saying all the stories (what they really are) indicate otherwise - like it was some miracle growth compound.

I BELIEVE it actually was used medically in Europe, but can’t recall the use. I encourage you to do some digging before accepting that, but I am confident I didn’t make that tidbit up by any means.
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This! ^ Some claim that it is due to Hex ester which is supposedly very expensive, but it is the least harsh on humans providing slow and steady release and lowering sides
 
There’s a reason why tren hex was approved for human use but no other ester was...

So if you can get legit tren hex, that’s the ideal. I’d not go above one amp per week first time out... unless I had used a lot of tren. Then yeah, two would be good.
 
So, choice gas been made, I'll incorporate Parabolan from tomorrow. It comes in 1.5 ml amps, at 76,5 mg. Lets just hope it's not Tren E, and I don't murder my soroundings.

As for this, I think that Mstsn is finaly started working at full capacity. Today was pull day, I was playing around with weights, pump was awesome and recovery is even better. I generaly feel good, no stomach disscomfort of anything bad. Things are getting interesting.
 
Hyde said:
How is your deadlift coming back around since the knee surgery?
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Thanks for asking man. It all good, like it never happened. I went full ape**** on it in january, I didn't even noticed it. It never bothered me at all. It was just that my hips were little tight after beeing in bed for so long.
 
Alchemist11 said:
Thanks for asking man. It all good, like it never happened. I went full ape**** on it in january, I didn't even noticed it. It never bothered me at all. It was just that my hips were little tight after beeing in bed for so long.
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What did you get up to for your work sets this recent pull day? I speak kilo, btw
 
Hyde said:
What did you get up to for your work sets this recent pull day? I speak kilo, btw
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Well, the best I've been with deadlift in last 2 months is 12x80kg, 10x100, 8x110, 6x120, and after all that 3x160kg. I never go for 1 rep max. I'm not that strong guy.
In last month or so, I follow Francis Benfattos back workout, consisting of wide grip pull down, incline bech db rows, close grip pull down or up, incline reverse pull over and Incline rope pull down with a few modifications. This below is from today, part of, in kilos
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Hyde said:
Your wide lats make sense with those widegrip pulldown numbers at your bodyweight, for sure
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Thanks man, width was one of my main goals, now I kind of shift for more of a mass, but, overall, I like to workout back, and with Wide front pull downs and Cobra pulls, I realy feel and control contractions, it helps a lot.
 
Alchemist11 said:
Thanks man, width was one of my main goals, now I kind of shift for more of a mass, but, overall, I like to workout back, and with Wide front pull downs and Cobra pulls, I realy feel and control contractions, it helps a lot.
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To hit my lats I feel like I actually have to use less weight than I should. Or else I can’t feel them in the movement. And if I can’t feel it, it doesn’t grow. I know that about myself for a fact 100%.

Do you notice the same or..? That you’re using a much lighter weight than you could actually rep out?

I mean, how heavy are those weights for you? Is the 15th rep at 85kg a struggle or do you still have a couple left in the tank?
 
Old Witch said:
To hit my lats I feel like I actually have to use less weight than I should. Or else I can’t feel them in the movement. And if I can’t feel it, it doesn’t grow. I know that about myself for a fact 100%.

Do you notice the same or..? That you’re using a much lighter weight than you could actually rep out?

I mean, how heavy are those weights for you? Is the 15th rep at 85kg a struggle or do you still have a couple left in the tank?
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Well, kind of like that. Sometimes I like to combine both heavy and emedeatly light. I do that at incline bench rows, heavy set, and than dropset to hit and contract the muscle to the max. If that 13th, 14th, 15th rep at 85 kgs are too heavy, I focus on negative to get the most of it
 
So Parabolan is here, in 1.5 ml ampoules. It is from the same company that produces sweet, sweeeet Anavar depot that I used in my last cycle, so I hope this is legit as well as Anavar is.
 
Todays leg day was awesome. At one moment, I supersetted Barbell squat with walking lunges, and pump was so mad, I had to lay down for a bit.
Strength is rising, vascularity also. This is potent mix. Took first Parabolan injection an hour ago, went smooth, no problems.
I already look harder, more defined, traps are coming up crazy (I did started to do more direct trap and neck work before cycle, but now, they are exploding, I like that). I finaly feel, for the first time after injury and surgery strong like a bull.

Feels good to be able to run, play, and lift again without fear.
 
So, finaly thing are back in normal with forum...
Strenght is still rising, I'm gettin leaner and leaner by the day and vascularity is crazy. Apetite is raging and recovery is awesome. Mood is elevated and sex drive is sky high.
Today I took first 250 IUs of hcg.
I feel like everything is going well.

Here's one pic from the game. I'm the one in purple/blue
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Small update, championship is over, so now I have more time to focus on the gym. Todays leg day was madness, at first I was meh... But 30 mins in, it was insane, the drive, the will, stamina, strength... Did supersets for arms with very heavy weight for me, like it was nothing, I could easily lift 10 lbs more at every set. I'm rapidly getting leaner and more vascular. This stuff is amazing
 
Alchemist11 said:
So, finaly thing are back in normal with forum...
Strenght is still rising, I'm gettin leaner and leaner by the day and vascularity is crazy. Apetite is raging and recovery is awesome. Mood is elevated and sex drive is sky high.
Today I took first 250 IUs of hcg.
I feel like everything is going well.

Here's one pic from the game. I'm the one in purple/blue
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Is this the game with invisible chairs?
 
3 weeks in, I'm feeling strong and realy good. Physique is starting to lean very fast, vascularity is increased and hunger is rising day by day, aswell as strength. Recovery, focu and overall feeling is great. I even feel calmer during the day, since I started with this cycle. No issues yet.
The one thing I noticed is blood volume, I know that on many anabolics your rbc goes up, but on Msten is realy high for sure. I had few scraches on my hand, and next thing I noticed, there was stream of blood on my hand. But it's nothing too crazy. Yesterday I gad massage of my back and my upper chest, things were a bit tight, now its much better.
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Alchemist11 said:
3 weeks in, I'm feeling strong and realy good. Physique is starting to lean very fast, vascularity is increased and hunger is rising day by day, aswell as strength. Recovery, focu and overall feeling is great. I even feel calmer during the day, since I started with this cycle. No issues yet.
The one thing I noticed is blood volume, I know that on many anabolics your rbc goes up, but on Msten is realy high for sure. I had few scraches on my hand, and next thing I noticed, there was stream of blood on my hand. But it's nothing too crazy. Yesterday I gad massage of my back and my upper chest, things were a bit tight, now its much better.
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Jeeeeezus.
 
Alchemist11 said:
Can someone of you guys correct me or confirm, Msten is related to 1-ad, boldenon, right?
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Its double-methylated 1T as I recall. Methyl-M1T, if you will.

As we all know well by now, every structural modification greatly changes how a compound responds. Even using methyls IM vs orally changes effects to a real degree.
 
In the world of DHTs, Msten is that first line of cocaine. You’ve moved up from Ritalin (DMZ) and when you are really ready to ruin your life, you move to Methamphetamine (Superdrol)
 
Matthersby said:
In the world of DHTs, Msten is that first line of cocaine. You’ve moved up from Ritalin (DMZ) and when you are really ready to ruin your life, you move to Methamphetamine (Superdrol)
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Love the analogy. What are epistane and anavar then, in this analogy?
 
jrock645 said:
Love the analogy. What are epistane and anavar then, in this analogy?
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Epi is like that spice **** at the smoke shop. Not quite weed but it’ll get ya high and it’s legal.
That makes Winnie the real deal you get from your dealer.
Anavar is the weed only movie stars and rappers smoke. And all kinds of us swear to God we’ve had that same weed too! But it was really just Winnie.
 
Matthersby said:
Epi is like that spice **** at the smoke shop. Not quite weed but it’ll get ya high and it’s legal.
That makes Winnie the real deal you get from your dealer.
Anavar is the weed only movie stars and rappers smoke. And all kinds of us swear to God we’ve had that same weed too! But it was really just Winnie.
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Ha, thanks for humoring me!
 
Todays pull day went awesome. I ate a ton of carbs during the day and it paid of. Strength exploded today, focus and aggression were on point and I managed to hit a new Deadlift PR 160kgx3. Overall I'm fuller but dry. Mood is nice and for change sleep is also good. Usualy on cycle I sleep poorly, but since I stared this cycle, I manage to get solid 7-8 hours of sleep. So far so good.
 
Nice work, you’re probably good for 170-180 1RM! Glad everything is going well. That’s what you want in a cycle, good feels and better performance.
 
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