Yes i have lol. And i didnt need an AR to do it LOLYou've never hunted a charging feral pig before that sometimes takes more than one shot to put down. Or a running coyote. But go ahead and keep believing what you want.
Yes i have lol. And i didnt need an AR to do it LOLYou've never hunted a charging feral pig before that sometimes takes more than one shot to put down. Or a running coyote. But go ahead and keep believing what you want.
I own an AR and 100% agree with you, but it also goes the other way in that I don't think an AR is anymore dangerous than any other semi auto rifle so banning the gun isn't the right answer. But, I'm also not going to throw a fit if they ban ARs because I just don't ****ing need it. LolMy argument is that there is nothing an AR can do for the purpose of hunting that a single shot firearm cant also achieve.
The fact you need an AR for hunting is fallacious.
Nice strawman lol.I got a better idea, if you prioritize saving human life you should focus on those mass murdering tyrants in the NZ government contributing to mass genocide in the middle east to disarm.
Notice ALL of this is all still happening while these drugs are completely illegal.Just as an add on, you do realise that class A drug users are often amongst the highest rate of violent, unpredictable and profilic offenders of crime, right?
People often rob to fuel drug habits. If you've ever worked in law enforcement you'd know the devastating impact of drugs in society. You might think the harm caused is limited to the person ingesting the material but you are far, far off base.
Drugs destroy families. Drugs destroy lives. A lot of violence occurs within the family home which becomes cyclic with children who then often progress into being primary offenders when they get older.
If you haven't been privvy to the world of drugs in this regard, believe me, class A drugs (methamphetamines etc) are a huge driver of crime.
So you've had to shoot a charging pig more than once with a single shot rifle?Yes i have lol. And i didnt need an AR to do it LOL
I believe in restricted access to firearms. By that i mean more stringent controls on who can own a firearm, and the types of firearms a person can own.I own an AR and 100% agree with you, but it also goes the other way in that I don't think an AR is anymore dangerous than any other semi auto rifle so banning the gun isn't the right answer. But, I'm also not going to throw a fit if they ban ARs because I just don't ****ing need it. Lol
My pistol and shotgun are plenty for self defense and my AR isn't going to do jack against the government. It looks cool, you can do some cool mods to it, and it is what I use to hunt with, but there's other options.
I hate these nonsensical wars. Thats where the real violence is at, so to convince me to have a mass murdering machine the US government is weaken society here is impossible....not your fault, as Ive said before I admire your heart.Nice strawman lol.
I'm fairly certain from our "conversations" that I know the Constitution a lot better than you. Hell, you think Virginia Tech can pass laws. I was using analogies (look it up) to show that the government does indeed have a long record of getting involved in trying to make driving safer. The comparison had absolutely nothing to do with rights.Driving a car is a privilege and not a constitutionally protected right. The government does have regulations on rate of fire for guns under the NFA regulations. If you want to have a gun that shoots more than 1 bullet with each trigger pull, you have to submit fingerprints, pay a $200 "tax", and at some point you had to get the approval of your local chief of police. Never mind that it could take up to a year to get approved to buy a machine gun that costs north of $10,000, adding to more burden on the buyer.
Like i said, it truly is tragic what happened. Honestly, i, in no way shape or form am trying to minimise the suffering of those people. No life should be lost at the hands of another.Yes, I remember as a kid watching on TV people getting beaten to death in the middle of the street, but the smart prepared ones with the big guns survived.
That's because you're honest. Many others go back and forth between "it just looks scary and there are way more dangerous guns" and "it's the top of the food chain and the only option to taking down a feral pig" depending on what narrative they are currently pushing.I own an AR and 100% agree with you, but it also goes the other way in that I don't think an AR is anymore dangerous than any other semi auto rifle so banning the gun isn't the right answer. But, I'm also not going to throw a fit if they ban ARs because I just don't ****ing need it. Lol
My pistol and shotgun are plenty for self defense and my AR isn't going to do jack against the government. It looks cool, you can do some cool mods to it, and it is what I use to hunt with, but there's other options.
Nice irrelevant comparison for your typical semantics argument you always make. People didn't carry guns in San Bernadino because the law said they couldn't. People don't carry at Va Tech because they could be arrested as you quoted. You don't get arrested if you don't break the law can you?I'm not lying because I learned in grade school that a university isn't one of the political bodies that pass laws. Universities make rules and policies that come with such sanctions as these stated in Virginia Tech's firearm policy: "Individuals who violate this policy may also be subject to arrest for trespass and/or violation of the appropriate state criminal statute, and/or may be barred from campus. For employees, an act of off-duty violent conduct may be grounds for disciplinary action, up to and including dismissal per applicable personnel policies."
You can say it's a law all you want, but it's a rule. Applebee's can put a no firearms sign in their door, but again that's not passing a law. So, when you shouted that it's the "****ing law" you were incorrect. Rather than checking your info, like usual, you doubled down on false information and now it's just you lying. Otherwise, you'd have to admit that you're one of those proud AR15-carrying Virginians that like to talk big, but don't do **** when it matters because you're afraid of getting kicked off campus.
More flat out lying.That's because you're honest. Many others go back and forth between "it just looks scary and there are way more dangerous guns" and "it's the top of the food chain and the only option to taking down a feral pig" depending on what narrative they are currently pushing.
But if 50 million of us have it....and by that I mean well trained, qualified and mature respectable gun culture its certainly balances things out a little more closely as it originally was intended to be. There would have to be better organization of course but we live in a snowflake culture these days and I personally admit Im a part of it as I was raised that way, lolMy pistol and shotgun are plenty for self defense and my AR isn't going to do jack against the government. It looks cool, you can do some cool mods to it, and it is what I use to hunt with, but there's other options.
It sure is, and the question still remains:Notice ALL of this is all still happening while these drugs are completely illegal.
Didn't need to shoot it more than once with a 22.So you've had to shoot a charging pig more than once with a single shot rifle?
How many of those 600,000 were caused by gang on gang violence and how many of the victims were weak prey due to both being regulated out of self defense....for example, I cant get a carry on in NY and people all over Chicago are dying because they cant own firearms?Like i said, it truly is tragic what happened. Honestly, i, in no way shape or form am trying to minimise the suffering of those people. No life should be lost at the hands of another.
And that last sentence is exactly why id fight so hard for gun control.
But 600,000 peoples lives is a high price to pay for that freedom.
But im going to let this go now. Arguments that run in circles will see no compromise and therefore no further point in arguing.
I got a good idea, how about banning the government from bringing it in the first place?It sure is, and the question still remains:
"So unless you can stop all drug related crime 100%, is there any point in having any laws around drugs at all?"
Most people would argue yes. And i do too. Just because people dont always adhere to a law doesn't mean that law has no place in society. Burglaries still happen despite the law, and like i asked earlier, if you apply your same logic about drugs as you might to other crime, then what is the point of any law?
Drugs fuel crime. If you worked in law enforcement youd know that very, very well. Drugs fuel mental instability. If you worked in law enforcement youd know that very very well. Drugs may seem like a personal decision, but i assure you, the harm it reaches is far, far wider.
Except you dont need to be well trained to own a firearm.But if 50 million of us have it....and by that I mean well trained, qualified and mature respectable gun culture its certainly balances things out a little more closely as it originally was intended to be. There would have to be better organization of course but we live in a snowflake culture these days and I personally admit Im a part of it as I was raised that way, lol
we need cnn and politicians to call cops out on this and quit acting like all deaths are by guns. the cops get their marching orders from politicians.Well then that's not CNN and politicians. That's cops not doing their job or not having the resources to do their job.
I support decentralized and/or licensing training for guns in some way. I have blockchain licensing in mind, something that can hide the government from keeping a database....or Id think this over more deeply with other minds if I got serious about it some time. Also would implement gun education at younger ages in schools as part of phys ed or something like in the video below. I did bow and arrow with compound bows in my high school, guns would have been cooler.Except you dont need to be well trained to own a firearm.
lol...point is here as in NZ chances of getting hit by a car are a lot greater than getting hit by bullet...it seems to me your time would be better spent promoting safe driving...just sayinOf course ive never been shot. Not many NZers have, and thats the entire point of my argument that the chance of that happening in my own country is next to zero.
I have been involved in an accident, but i dont then say, "well f*** it! I just crashed, might as well have a gun in case i also now get shot!"
Where im from, we recognise cars are useful forms of travel and grant immense freedom of movement, but we dont apply that same broken logic to needing a firearm that MUST be carried everywhere by a person whose shot 10 bullets in their life, sat a 3 page exam and then given free reign to purchase an AR15 then expected to take down an active shooter should the need arise.
If you liken driving and owing a car to owing a high powered rifle, then that is on you.
I dont hunt or kill animals but if I did I would get the biggest fulfillment doing big game with a compound bow and arrow.Didn't need to shoot it more than once with a 22.
Hunting is big sport in NZ, and most people dont use ARs.
Dont worry its not a waste it makes for good brain training in my opinion.But im going to let this go now. Arguments that run in circles will see no compromise and therefore no further point in arguing.
Are you trying to say that because Virginia Tech can call the police to get somebody arrested for trespassing that that is the same as passing a gun law?Nice irrelevant comparison for your typical semantics argument you always make. People didn't carry guns in San Bernadino because the law said they couldn't. People don't carry at Va Tech because they could be arrested as you quoted. You don't get arrested if you don't break the law can you?
Since you're hung up on VaTech, which assault rifle ban would have stopped that massacre? None of them since he used a 9mm handgun and a 22lr handgun with, wait for it, 10 round magazines. So a 10 round mag limit wouldn't have stopped it either.
It's ok, all you've got are personal attacks like always.
So you're telling me that CNN isn't reporting on any other deaths except those from guns? Call your local government and local news and tell them to look into it. Keep calling until they do. You don't even like CNN, so stop expecting them to do anything for you.we need cnn and politicians to call cops out on this and quit acting like all deaths are by guns. the cops get their marching orders from politicians.
There absolutely needs to be better controls. All of my guns have been gifted to me, my name was never once ran to own the gun because it was a gift, the guns have never been transferred into my name, yet the whole situation is 100% legal. There is something sketchy about that to me.I believe in restricted access to firearms. By that i mean more stringent controls on who can own a firearm, and the types of firearms a person can own.
Do I think people should be able to own firearms for hunting? Absolutely. I don't think anyone would argue for a complete firearm ban, but rather a few more controls around what a person can own and who can own a firearm.
I don't think of that as being unreasonable
Horrible drivers, excessive guns, and excessive alcohol use? Sounds like Texas.ok, Jiigzz I did a little research....NZ is well know for having horrible drivers, lol....guns might not kill you, but crazy drivers gonna git ya, lol. it seems you all have a bit of the alcohol before driving issue also!!!
For starters I didn't bring up San Bernadino. I never said Va Tech passes laws either. Third, California does in fact ban many guns. So a person can't even purchase the same gun that can be bought in other states. Please quote where I said California bans the carrying of guns. I very clearly stated that since only 2/10 of 1% of the population of California have carry permits and there is no open carry, that the chances of a person with a gun to stop the San Bernadino shooting is close to zero. Also copy and paste where I quoted you saying that a ban would have stopped anything. I never said such a thing.Are you trying to say that because Virginia Tech can call the police to get somebody arrested for trespassing that that is the same as passing a gun law?
When did I say a ban would have stopped it or said I was in favor of banning anything? You always cry semantics when I call you out on your lying and you just keep doing it. San Bernardino doesn't have a ban on guns. California has some strict rules, but no ban. So even though it's your favorite example because it's an easy one to fit into your narrative, it's not true to say the law doesn't allow people there to carry guns.
You can always surrender them like they are doing in NZ.There absolutely needs to be better controls. All of my guns have been gifted to me, my name was never once ran to own the gun because it was a gift, the guns have never been transferred into my name, yet the whole situation is 100% legal. There is something sketchy about that to me.
I'm sure the government knows by now seeing as I have bought ammo and parts online, but you get the idea lol
tomorrow trump says he is going to give a billion dollars worth of grants to local police to enforce traffic laws...what do you think the response would be?So you're telling me that CNN isn't reporting on any other deaths except those from guns? Call your local government and local news and tell them to look into it. Keep calling until they do. You don't even like CNN, so stop expecting them to do anything for you.
If you support the having drugs illegal, thats fine, you have the right intent and I respect that. Just to be clear on my side Im very engaged with having solutions to help people with these issues.Drugs fuel crime. If you worked in law enforcement youd know that very, very well. Drugs fuel mental instability. If you worked in law enforcement youd know that very very well. Drugs may seem like a personal decision, but i assure you, the harm it reaches is far, far wider.
Higher revenue collecting for the states and local governments.tomorrow trump says he is going to give a billion dollars worth of grants to local police to enforce traffic laws...what do you think the response would be?
Make sure it only holds 7 rounds.I support decentralized and/or licensing training for guns in some way. I have blockchain licensing in mind, something that can hide the government from keeping a database....or Id think this over more deeply with other minds if I got serious about it some time. Also would implement gun education at younger ages in schools as part of phys ed or something like in the video below. I did bow and arrow with compound bows in my high school, guns would have been cooler.
I just bought a home this past year and wanna get some stuff soon for self defense, Im going to sign both I and my wife up for class thats for sure. Never wanted a gun in an apartment complex, thats just too risky for me.
Nice irrelevant comparison for your typical semantics argument you always make. People didn't carry guns in San Bernadino because the law said they couldn't. People don't carry at Va Tech because they could be arrested as you quoted. You don't get arrested if you don't break the law can you?
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Maybe you were talking about San Bernardino, OhioFor starters I didn't bring up San Bernadino. I never said Va Tech passes laws either. Third, California does in fact ban many guns. So a person can't even purchase the same gun that can be bought in other states. Please quote where I said California bans the carrying of guns.
Response from who? The police? If we're going to do theoreticals, why not tomorrow intelligent and reasonable laws are put into place and enforced so that cops can spend less time dealing with dead children and more time monitoring rolling stops.tomorrow trump says he is going to give a billion dollars worth of grants to local police to enforce traffic laws...what do you think the response would be?
Maybe not all deaths are gun related, but 35000 deaths per year are. It's still a big dealwe need cnn and politicians to call cops out on this and quit acting like all deaths are by guns. the cops get their marching orders from politicians.
It's not a competition to see what method kills people more than another. It's not a case of "well more people die from car related things than anything else, so unless we can control that then we wont bother caring about other ways people die".lol...point is here as in NZ chances of getting hit by a car are a lot greater than getting hit by bullet...it seems to me your time would be better spent promoting safe driving...just sayin
btw-what are statistics on drunk driving in NZ, you have a lot of that there?
I will admit that alcohol is a tricky one, but yeah id be happy if it were gone. The reason why is that we do have a terrible alcohol culture here in NZ and it fuels an incredible amount of harm to families. Knowing that getting rid of it entriely is not the solution (same as guns), the best way is to better regulate the types of alcohol people can buy and the strength of alcohol people can buy. Teenagers dont need 50% alcoholic beverages. In my version of an ideal world, theyd be limited to 2-3% alcoholic beverages or something like that.If you support the having drugs illegal, thats fine, you have the right intent and I respect that. Just to be clear on my side Im very engaged with having solutions to help people with these issues.
But you DO also support having alcohol also illegal, right? Alcohol fuels and probably is the leading cause of domestic violence and rape which I know NZ has issues with as we have here in the USA, triggers violence and fights in bars, alcohol fuels mental instability, drains the health care system, drinking and driving, murder, nothing good, etc....
Do cops drink in NZ? And the politicians and bureaucrats enforcing drug laws, do they purchase drink alcohol too?
Heck yeah we are. Thanks for your supportYou can always surrender them like they are doing in NZ.
Wait, you need more than 7 to shoot a feral pig?Make sure it only holds 7 rounds.
You are 100% right here.Dont worry its not a waste it makes for good brain training in my opinion.
Having other peoples most emotional honest valuations of various situations is valuable to me. Even if some many issues I disagree, it helps me understand opposing views and why people feel that way and I do actually pick up on ideas including yours in different ways. I dont get that as much in real life to life encounters. Its all positive in my books, we really have the same end goal which is maximizing human life.
Its referring to more US gun laws you don't know about.Wait, you need more than 7 to shoot a feral pig?
This is concerning to me
California bans open carry of guns. As well as the state has to deem you or your family member is in enough danger to warrant them issuing a carry permit.Maybe you were talking about San Bernardino, Ohio
That sounds good your not a load of hypocrisy.I will admit that alcohol is a tricky one, but yeah id be happy if it were gone. The reason why is that we do have a terrible alcohol culture here in NZ and it fuels an incredible amount of harm to families. Knowing that getting rid of it entriely is not the solution (same as guns), the best way is to better regulate the types of alcohol people can buy and the strength of alcohol people can buy. Teenagers dont need 50% alcoholic beverages. In my version of an ideal world, theyd be limited to 2-3% alcoholic beverages or something like that.
Like guns, people can be responsible drinkers. I won't deny that i think many of you on this board are responsible gun owners. However, there is no denying alcohol causes a HUGE amount of work for police - everything from general disorder to quite intense family harm episodes.
In my view, we wont ever get rid of crime 100%, but we can better control peoples access to harmful substances and weapons for the betterment of society. We are all clearly incapable of making good choices when left to our own devices.
You know you made a powerful statement maybe 2 years ago that actually stuck to my head. I think and I hope that was you if it wasnt never-mind, but you said something that your taking a course on Coursera....and you said something about learning a little every day you would be amazed how much you can pick up in a year. That right there is a simple and powerful statement that works for me and I use it to try to motivate my lazy ass to study and I think just study some today, even if a little and Ill be rewarded in a year.You are 100% right here.
I totally agree. We all just want what's best for our own countries, for our own wellbeing and sanity.
Apologies if emotions have been running high, I have no ill feelings toward any of you guys.
Or the fact that you're in favor of online firearms classes.Its referring to more US gun laws you don't know about.
This is the first time you're specifying open carry. You can carry in California even though there are more restrictions (as I've stated), but no ban. So scream semantics yet again, but you claim things incorrectly and then move the goal posts rather than ever just admitting that you misspoke. Perhaps the people of California are perfectly fine with their penis size and don't need to compensate by walking around with open carry to show how cool they are.California bans open carry of guns. As well as the state has to deem you or your family member is in enough danger to warrant them issuing a carry permit.
Try again
When did I say I was in favor of online firearm classes?Or the fact that you're in favor of online firearms classes.
No it's not. I mentioned it yesterday. Btw, only 5 states ban open carry of firearms, California being one of them.This is the first time you're specifying open carry. You can carry in California even though there are more restrictions (as I've stated), but no ban. So scream semantics yet again, but you claim things incorrectly and then move the goal posts rather than ever just admitting that you misspoke. Perhaps the people of California are perfectly fine with their penis size and don't need to compensate by walking around with open carry to show how cool they are.