I hear ya, but we need a good science based matrix to know to run each compound most effective.. some of which could be scoured out of forum like this, but most need testing.
Yes this is true, and such compilations and lists have been attempted, largely being disputed from day one. It’s so individual for many aspects of how growth occurs even with drugs that to say it will take x amount of days at x doses to feel x effect is never going to be fully agreed upon. At least not on this forum. Therefore that idea has to go out the window.
I could tell you anavar at 25mg strictly preworkout is effective and can be run without much worry for much longer than a couple of months as a nice addition to an already solid cycle... and somebody will say the opposite in one way or another. And in ways we are both going to be right.
There will be people saying 12 weeks of primobolan at 200mg is worth it and others who say that’s not even going to be noticeable.
Everyone will agree though that 10mg anavar won’t do much for anyone with a penis and testicles, so that’s a start.
My general practice is that if I’m going to mess with my hormones, I’ll do it for a long enough time that whatever changes I make will be quite permanent and it will take quite awhile to go backward. That means cycles of 20 weeks, bridging with IGF and other peptides, changing out the major anabolic compounds every ten weeks, etc.
I messed around last year with some more and less legal options when getting back to the gym because back in my day sarms were like a mythological creature, and some of these steroids weren’t on the market. And actually I didn’t get great results. Definitely some stuff worked, and if I was already in great shape I’m sure it would have done a lot.
But now play time is over, its time to do it the right way. There’s no point in my experience or in the experience of any doctor or coach to be going on and off repeatedly. If anything that’s worse. If your health markers are good, you’re healthy. Doesn’t matter how inhumanly high your androgen level is if all the rest of the numbers line up. The more you force those to fluctuate rather than finding a stasis, the more they will fluctuate on their own without the drugs from other stimuli. Words from my own doctor. The only real immediate danger at a high androgen level thats actually caused by the androgens themselves, if other markers are good, is that your heart might just stop or you might stop breathing while asleep.
You can either have extended periods of maximal growth and then work on maturing the muscle tissue, or you can have tiny spurts of sub maximal growth and barely maintain half of it each time.
It is entirely individual however, and knowing when you really have hit a plateau can be hard. That’s why I just recommend the ten weeks principle. The way I do this is stacking test and another anabolic such as deca or dhb, this is the main stack, it will not change however the dose will escalate every four weeks; then a third compound such as EQ, primo, tren which is rotated every six, eight or at maximum ten weeks. Starting with wetter compounds and moving to drier ones. A stack of test dhb npp, then test dhb EQ, then test dhb primo, then finally a recomp phase at the end with test, tren, mast, and superdrol. That’s an actual cycle I saw a hopeful pro using last year which fits this principle.
Now, that’s obviously trying to grow, if trying to cut or recomp, shorter time frames are always better, and a simple stack of test, a 19 nor, and a dht or up to three dhts (specifically masteron, anavar, and winstrol) could be used. Cutting is easy and the same stacks tend to work over and over. Growing is the hard thing to do and requires some creativity to get it to continue yielding strong results.
Here’s the deal though, if you’re a beginner, none of that even applies. You’re going to gain a lot from just test and a nice strong Kickstarter, DBol or anadrol, superdrol... M1T... anavar even.
But this whole “oh I’m going to avoid damaging my hpta somehow by fluctuating my hormones wildly more than once a year for almost no results” needs to stop. You can only bounce back so many times. Pct or not.
Now I’m not saying these need to be dosed really high especially when stacked like that and run for a long time. But you are definitely better off if you’re growing the WHOLE time you’re on, and better off growing for longer periods over a shorter span of years, rather than growing and shrinking quickly for years and years like a yo-yo.
But hey, I don’t know anything, don’t listen to me.
Oh and if your goal isn’t to be huge, AND HEALTHY, none of this applies either.