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Gaining muscles while losing fat. HGP tries the impossible, watch me fail!

I know hes doing it primarily for fat loss... Which I think he will lose a good amount, but theres so many other health benefits to a 7 day water fast. Overall for health its excellent. And it really does a ton for anti aging. After i come off a water fast I look much younger. Wrinkles disappear, skin tightens up and retains a healthy pink glow.

I'm curious to see how he likes it. The hardest part is the boredom that kicks in and you start thinking about food LOL I'm def gonna ride w you HGP through this one. You'll see its like going on an inner journey adventure. You'll learn a lot about yourself through those 7 days, I'll bet you that.
 
Godstrength said:
I know hes doing it primarily for fat loss... Which I think he will lose a good amount, but theres so many other health benefits to a 7 day water fast. Overall for health its excellent. And it really does a ton for anti aging. After i come off a water fast I look much younger. Wrinkles disappear, skin tightens up and retains a healthy pink glow.

I'm curious to see how he likes it. The hardest part is the boredom that kicks in and you start thinking about food LOL I'm def gonna ride w you HGP through this one. You'll see its like going on an inner journey adventure. You'll learn a lot about yourself through those 7 days, I'll bet you that.
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I think I don't wanna know. :)
 
Godstrength said:
I know hes doing it primarily for fat loss... Which I think he will lose a good amount, but theres so many other health benefits to a 7 day water fast. Overall for health its excellent. And it really does a ton for anti aging. After i come off a water fast I look much younger. Wrinkles disappear, skin tightens up and retains a healthy pink glow.

I'm curious to see how he likes it. The hardest part is the boredom that kicks in and you start thinking about food LOL I'm def gonna ride w you HGP through this one. You'll see its like going on an inner journey adventure. You'll learn a lot about yourself through those 7 days, I'll bet you that.
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I know fasting is assumed to be healthy but 7 days?
 
The reason I start February 18 and not sooner is, I have electrolytes coming from US and it takes awhile to arrive.
 
Godstrength said:
7 days is a looong time when your fasting hahaha
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It is and from what I've read, granted I really just googled quickly so I'm by no means an expert, it was said that as little as 3 days can be dangerous. I think that's highly individual but you get the point.

Also since the metabolism slows down it must be easier to add fat after you stop fasting cause the metabolism won't just jump back the same day you quit and the musclemass would need to be restored by working out.
 
hairygrandpa said:
The reason I start February 18 and not sooner is, I have electrolytes coming from US and it takes awhile to arrive.
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I'm really interesting seeing what happens, probably the most interesting log on the forum, not kidding, but if you ever start feeling like **** don't continue cause you feel like you have to, that's all I'm gonna say about that. Again this is extremely interesting cause I personally haven't seen anyone do it and I wish you good luck even though I think you're crazy but sometimes crazy gets you where you want :D
 
Chados said:
It is and from what I've read, granted I really just googled quickly so I'm by no means an expert, it was said that as little as 3 days can be dangerous. I think that's highly individual but you get the point.

Also since the metabolism slows down it must be easier to add fat after you stop fasting cause the metabolism won't just jump back the same day you quit and the musclemass would need to be restored by working out.
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Fasting WITHOUT water for 3 days is dangerous. Water fasts really arent dangerous at all as once the body enters keto it starts burning fat for fuel.

Also metabolism is much much better after coming off a fast because the body is working more efficiently. Youve just cleaned and purged it of toxins that slow the body's ability to metabolize down. So it runs much much better after a fast and you feel better. It definitely is worth it in my opinion.

Trust me no one works as hard for gains and tries to keep muscle as I try... But imo the benefits of fasting far outweigh any slight muscle loss that may occur... Not only that any loss can be gained back with relative ease. If more people experinced Fasting I think they would understand why people do it.
 
I got inspired by this:

[video=youtube;ip6yOTTfltY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip6yOTTfltY[/video]
 
Godstrength said:
Fasting WITHOUT water for 3 days is dangerous. Water fasts really arent dangerous at all as once the body enters keto it starts burning fat for fuel.

Also metabolism is much much better after coming off a fast because the body is working more efficiently. Youve just cleaned and purged it of toxins that slow the body's ability to metabolize down. So it runs much much better after a fast and you feel better. It definitely is worth it in my opinion.

Trust me no one works as hard for gains and tries to keep muscle as I try... But imo the benefits of fasting far outweigh any slight muscle loss that may occur... Not only that any loss can be gained back with relative ease. If more people experinced Fasting I think they would understand why people do it.
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Well what I read was that it's not advised to go longer than 3 days. Besides that, the metabolism must slow down given you got no food in your system. What exactly do you mean by metabolism is better? Cause if you have a slower metabolism coming off you should be able to add fat more easily. And as far as cleansing your body there are other ways to do it. Not saying fasting shouldn't exist but when do we say (enough)?

Wouldn't it be safer and more efficient to do it one day a week?
 
Chados said:
Well what I read was that it's not advised to go longer than 3 days. Besides that, the metabolism must slow down given you got no food in your system. What exactly do you mean by metabolism is better? Cause if you have a slower metabolism coming off you should be able to add fat more easily. And as far as cleansing your body there are other ways to do it. Not saying fasting shouldn't exist but when do we say (enough)?

Wouldn't it be safer and more efficient to do it one day a week?
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You dont have a slower metabolism... It ramps up very quickly. Do you know that your body requires energy to break down food, partition nutrients and process and excrete waste. Every time you eat your body goes through this process... Its a lot of work. Amd its hard on your body day in and day out.

When you arent eating your body goes into a state of repair. Damaged and old cells are repaired or replaced and the body is able to heal itself. When you fast all tge body's energy and efforts are in this process rather than digestion. The main focus of the body becomes to repair itself and rid itself of anything detrimental or toxic. Thats what a fast does. It gives your body a chance to get everything working more efficiently. Organs including heart, digestive system, liver lungs etc. Even the skin (which is the body's largest organ) repairs itself.

Once food is introduced again the body is able to more efficiently digest and process the food. Why? Because everything is functioning more efficiently and at a more optimal level. The body's metabolism ramos back up rather quickly. Personally my metabolism increases coming off a fast. Reason being is it running more efficiently.

I reccomend instead of looking up detrimental effects look up the benefits and read it thoroughly.
 
Chados said:
Well what I read was that it's not advised to go longer than 3 days. Besides that, the metabolism must slow down given you got no food in your system. What exactly do you mean by metabolism is better? Cause if you have a slower metabolism coming off you should be able to add fat more easily. And as far as cleansing your body there are other ways to do it. Not saying fasting shouldn't exist but when do we say (enough)?

Wouldn't it be safer and more efficient to do it one day a week?
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Apparently, there is a difference between starvation and fasting. The vid explains it. We did not see actual studies and must take the word of that "doctor" (?) as truth.

I just gonna do it -and we will see.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Apparently, there is a difference between starvation and fasting. The vid explains it. We did not see actual studies and must take the word of that "doctor" (?) as truth.

I just gonna do it -and we will see.
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Really with fasting you have to experience it to see how it works... 7 days is a long time HGP. I had to work my way up to it. I'm sure you have it in your mind and set but maybe start out in the 3-5 day range?
Chados I do believe 1 day fasts can have a cumulative effect but theres a lot of starting and stopping the process... When you fast for 3 or more days the whole time is spent with your body basically in repair mode. Yes 1 day fasts are good too. 3 or more days are much more pronounced in terms of effects ime.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Apparently, there is a difference between starvation and fasting. The vid explains it. We did not see actual studies and must take the word of that "doctor" (?) as truth.

I just gonna do it -and we will see.
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I'm aware of that and I'm asking myself when is it starvation? I assume it affects each person differently which I why I would be careful.

Age, genetics, body weight etc. I have no doubts you'll be fine as long as you stop if your body responds badly.
 
Chados said:
I'm aware of that and I'm asking myself when is it starvation? I assume it affects each person differently which I why I would be careful.

Age, genetics, body weight etc. I have no doubts you'll be fine as long as you stop if your body responds badly.
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Generally, it appears as though humans can survive without any food for*30-40 days, as long as they are properly hydrated. Severe symptoms of starvation begin around*35-40 days, and as highlighted by the hunger strikers of the Maze Prison in Belfast in the 1980s, death can occur at around*45 to 61 days.

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The human body can go without food for relatively long periods of time as long as hydrated.
 
I gonna TRY it. No guarantee. Maybe by day 2 I'll be camping in front of the fridge in a fetal position, LOL. I'm pretty resilient once I have something in mind and think my chances for following through are at about 65%. 35% chance of fail, mainly due to passing out at work (happened to me once when getting in ketosis).
 
hairygrandpa said:
I gonna TRY it. No guarantee. Maybe by day 2 I'll be camping in front of the fridge in a fetal position, LOL. I'm pretty resilient once I have something in mind and think my chances for following through are at about 65%. 35% chance of fail, mainly due to passing out at work (happened to me once when getting in ketosis).
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I did 60 hours no issue before this recent anabolic cycle and it was fine. 7 days isn’t going to be unsafe at all. I am still considering 10 when I do mine.
 
Hyde said:
I did 60 hours no issue before this recent anabolic cycle and it was fine. 7 days isn’t going to be unsafe at all. I am still considering 10 when I do mine.
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Sounds like a competition....

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Godstrength said:
Really with fasting you have to experience it to see how it works... 7 days is a long time HGP. I had to work my way up to it. I'm sure you have it in your mind and set but maybe start out in the 3-5 day range?
Chados I do believe 1 day fasts can have a cumulative effect but theres a lot of starting and stopping the process... When you fast for 3 or more days the whole time is spent with your body basically in repair mode. Yes 1 day fasts are good too. 3 or more days are much more pronounced in terms of effects ime.
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I just think it's highly individual how healthy a person is. I think my friend that is overweight would be far healthier than me during a 5 day fast. To answer your other post, I know there are health benefits associated with fasting, people say a day every week is awesome, some say even more often than that. I think it's also worth taking in to consideration that we are looking at studies with average people most which probably should stay away from today's foods once in a while. Wouldn't it be fair to take an optimal healthy diet and compare that to fasting?

The problem is that humans don't know what to eat, we know what to give our cats but we have no clue about our own diet. We started with fats and then with carbs and now we're either carb or fat. One thing is to build muscle another is to survive as long as possible. The fact that Okinawa has the highest average lifespan does say something about our diets, they never eat until full and they eat a **** ton of fish.



I do approve fasting as I always done it myself even tho it's to a much smaller degree than suggested here. We're talking 12 hours here and there, I never eat until im full either. What I don't know is how long and how often I should fast, I also don't know if now of its a good time since Im out of a cutting phase where my bodyfat is at the lowest I can keep year round without having to feel like ****. I'd assume with the Bulking that's just started and with my weight going up it would be awesome to have some time away from food, you can really feel when youre eating twice as much that your body is working.

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This guy kinda explains how I see it.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I gonna TRY it. No guarantee. Maybe by day 2 I'll be camping in front of the fridge in a fetal position, LOL. I'm pretty resilient once I have something in mind and think my chances for following through are at about 65%. 35% chance of fail, mainly due to passing out at work (happened to me once when getting in ketosis).
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I believe in you, just want you to know that.

If you pass out its just jesus trying to break your spirit, do not fall for it.
 
Godstrength said:
Generally, it appears as though humans can survive without any food for*30-40 days, as long as they are properly hydrated. Severe symptoms of starvation begin around*35-40 days, and as highlighted by the hunger strikers of the Maze Prison in Belfast in the 1980s, death can occur at around*45 to 61 days.

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The human body can go without food for relatively long periods of time as long as hydrated.
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I've read this too. I don't think you won't survive, I'm just having some questions here, what about brain function?

It's like, I can do damage to my body in so many ways and I'll probably pass the doctors test with ease but what about long term? What if I do it for a week 10 times a year?

Don't get me wrong, steroids aren't healthy, I've taken them. Just curious how much we actually know.
 
Chados said:
I've read this too. I don't think you won't survive, I'm just having some questions here, what about brain function?

It's like, I can do damage to my body in so many ways and I'll probably pass the doctors test with ease but what about long term? What if I do it for a week 10 times a year?

Don't get me wrong, steroids aren't healthy, I've taken them. Just curious how much we actually know.
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I'll put it to you this way... I'm sure you know your body how you react to certain things as well as I do mine. I can tell beyond the shadow of a doubt that fasting is beneficial I just feel better after I do it. Overall Health and Longevity it seems to have awesome effects. Also when my body starts getting sluggish and feeling run down I know it's time for another fast. And it does seem to work really well for me.

Who knows maybe you're right maybe it's no good in the long run but I've also learned how to listen to my body as well. I think if you look at the science behind it it's obvious it has tons of benefits to very little harmful effects as long as you stay hydrated. You would think somehow it would be harmful not eating but it's really not.

I do think seven days is a long fast but definitely would have plenty enough benefits to it if HGP can get through it.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I gonna TRY it. No guarantee. Maybe by day 2 I'll be camping in front of the fridge in a fetal position, LOL. I'm pretty resilient once I have something in mind and think my chances for following through are at about 65%. 35% chance of fail, mainly due to passing out at work (happened to me once when getting in ketosis).
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Oh you can do it I have no doubt... Youre strong willed and minded. Like I said after about 3 days the hunger subsides and its the boredom that'll get ya haha we don't even realize how much time each day we spend thinking about, planning, preparing or eating food. You definitely will feel a void over those seven days for sure
 
Godstrength said:
Oh you can do it I have no doubt... Youre strong willed and minded. Like I said after about 3 days the hunger subsides and its the boredom that'll get ya haha we don't even realize how much time each day we spend thinking about, planning, preparing or eating food. You definitely will feel a void over those seven days for sure
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Oh no bro I’m keenly aware of how much of my time is wrapped up in feeding this machine. It’s nearly constant lol. I have been limiting my nutrition intake to about a 10 hour window daily just to not mess with food so much!
Chados We know without a shadow of a doubt that eating less over ones life is the key to longevity! Look up interviews from people who live over 100 years. They all are little and many say they have always had very moderate or limited diets. I distinctly recall a local man saying “Only eat once a day - that’s all you need.” Now the take away is by doing that we know he was consuming limited calories for years.

If you want to be big, with or without juice you will not live as long as if you weren’t trying to support all of that muscle year in and out. You don’t see many guys over 250lbs above age 60. We’re going to pay for being jacked lol.
 
Gym
Gym partials x 10/10/10
Gym lowering 3 sec. x 14/12/11
Gym unilateral x 16/18/12
Gym standing, holding 1 sec. x 12/12/12 RP 7 RP 3
Gym, quick, focus on stretch x 12/10/10
Gym single leg, bottom partials x 20/17/15
Gym one armed negatives x 7/5/5

Cardio Gym 3x1 minute
 
I'm testing "Lithos" by Apex Alchemy.

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Godstrength yeah I think listening to your body is key and that's why you shouldn't eat just to eat. If I want 3k calories I spread it out and eat when in hungry rather than just eating to fill the calorie intake.

Hyde I believe so, I think making the body work as little as possible is the best way. It's the same with low blood pressure which if just (low) but not dangerously low is better than having an average blood pressure.
 
Hyde said:
Oh no bro I’m keenly aware of how much of my time is wrapped up in feeding this machine. It’s nearly constant lol. I have been limiting my nutrition intake to about a 10 hour window daily just to not mess with food so much!
Chados We know without a shadow of a doubt that eating less over ones life is the key to longevity! Look up interviews from people who live over 100 years. They all are little and many say they have always had very moderate or limited diets. I distinctly recall a local man saying “Only eat once a day - that’s all you need.” Now the take away is by doing that we know he was consuming limited calories for years.

If you want to be big, with or without juice you will not live as long as if you weren’t trying to support all of that muscle year in and out. You don’t see many guys over 250lbs above age 60. We’re going to pay for being jacked lol.
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being jacked may not add years to your life, but it will add life to your years...just sayin
 
Hyde said:
I think fasting is the fastest way to lose weight, not the best way to burn fat while retaining muscle.
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I respectfully disagree.

Muscle loss while fasting is minimal -- estimated to be about a lb every 10 days. You have to bear in mind that after 3 days of fasting GH levels are around 1500-2500% elevated (like being on 7-15 iu rHGH/day pinned every hour), and T3 drops down to just enough to ensure cellular respiration continues. Muscle mass and brain function are the two things that your body will not willingly sacrifice during a fast because these are the two things that are going to get you fed.

Losing 1-2 lbs of muscle, which is gained back within a week of refeeding due to increased insulin sensitivity and GH-induced increases in satellite cells, is a small price to pay to lose 10 lbs of fat in less than 2 weeks.
 
Spurfy said:
I respectfully disagree.

Muscle loss while fasting is minimal -- estimated to be about a lb every 10 days. You have to bear in mind that after 3 days of fasting GH levels are around 1500-2500% elevated (like being on 7-15 iu rHGH/day pinned every hour), and T3 drops down to just enough to ensure cellular respiration continues. Muscle mass and brain function are the two things that your body will not willingly sacrifice during a fast because these are the two things that are going to get you fed.

Losing 1-2 lbs of muscle, which is gained back within a week of refeeding due to increased insulin sensitivity and GH-induced increases in satellite cells, is a small price to pay to lose 10 lbs of fat in less than 2 weeks.
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Right most of the muscle loss occurs within the first 3 days I think... Or until the body hits ketosis. Then its fat for fuel also...

Thats why I recommended hgp roll into his fast starting keto a few days before making an easier transition.
 
Spurfy said:
I respectfully disagree.

Muscle loss while fasting is minimal -- estimated to be about a lb every 10 days. You have to bear in mind that after 3 days of fasting GH levels are around 1500-2500% elevated (like being on 7-15 iu rHGH/day pinned every hour), and T3 drops down to just enough to ensure cellular respiration continues. Muscle mass and brain function are the two things that your body will not willingly sacrifice during a fast because these are the two things that are going to get you fed.

Losing 1-2 lbs of muscle, which is gained back within a week of refeeding due to increased insulin sensitivity and GH-induced increases in satellite cells, is a small price to pay to lose 10 lbs of fat in less than 2 weeks.
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Well with that in mind you'd also have to take in to account that gh release will most likely decrease pretty fast and not keep increasing. Also, adding back musclemass which by the way is pure speculation of how much you'd actually lose, will more than likely mean increased fat gain which has been proven many times by people doing it.

Not saying it can't be done but adding muscle without adding fat is about as likely as you lose fat without losing muscle.
 
Godstrength said:
Right most of the muscle loss occurs within the first 3 days I think... Or until the body hits ketosis. Then its fat for fuel also...

Thats why I recommended hgp roll into his fast starting keto a few days before making an easier transition.
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Can't start a few days before.
Monday starts the ordeal. The day before, Sunday, will be without carbs. Thing is, Saturday I'm invited to friends and there will be alcohol. Will try to move more on Sunday to burn glycogen off.
The fat guy I'm coaching is doing the same, will try to get before -and after pics from him too.
 
Chados said:
Well with that in mind you'd also have to take in to account that gh release will most likely decrease pretty fast and not keep increasing.
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It declines slightly after day 3, but still is very highly elevated for the duration of fasting:

"The 5-d fast resulted in a significant increase in discrete GH pulse frequency (5.8 +/- 0.7 vs. 9.9 +/- 0.7 pulses/24 h, P = 0.028), 24 h integrated GH concentration (2.82 +/- 0.50 vs. 8.75 +/- 0.82 micrograms.min/ml; P = 0.0002), and maximal pulse amplitude (5.9 +/- 1.1 vs. 12.3 +/- 1.6 ng/ml, P less than 0.005)."
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Also, adding back musclemass which by the way is pure speculation of how much you'd actually lose
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"the ratio of N loss to weight loss during an extended fast is inversely related to body fat content, being about 20 g/kg in the nonobese"
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Not saying it can't be done but adding muscle without adding fat is about as likely as you lose fat without losing muscle.
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Was this your result after you fasted?
 
hairygrandpa said:
Can't start a few days before.
Monday starts the ordeal. The day before, Sunday, will be without carbs. Thing is, Saturday I'm invited to friends and there will be alcohol. Will try to move more on Sunday to burn glycogen off.
The fat guy I'm coaching is doing the same, will try to get before -and after pics from him too.
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I would eat a very high fat diet on Sunday, zero carbs, limited protein. I would also start taking 300 mg of ALA after every meal starting right now -- this will make your transition to ketosis easier.

For fasting: Monday will be easy, Tuesday harder, Wednesday very very *very* hard, Thursday easier, Friday easy.

Do not underestimate how rough day 3 will be. If you break, that's when it will happen. Black coffee or diluted green tea is your best friend if you start to lose your mind thinking about how hungry you are. Full strength green tea will probably make you vomit.

Also, do not poke the bear. Don't look at food porn, don't think about your fast-breaking meal, do not think about food. Tell yourself over and over, "I'm not hungry. This isn't real."

After your fast, you will be a changed man. Physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually.
 
We are all interested to see how this goes for you. Any supps and extra sprinklers you’ll be using during fast?
 
Godstrength said:
Right most of the muscle loss occurs within the first 3 days I think... Or until the body hits ketosis. Then its fat for fuel also...
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This is why GH levels skyrocket for the first 3 days. GH is sparing protein and mobilizing some fat for fuel even in the absence of ketosis.

Thats why I recommended hgp roll into his fast starting keto a few days before making an easier transition.
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I'm split on this. Starting keto definitely makes it much, much easier, but there's also merit in pushing through day 3 and overcoming. I think for a first fast not starting keto is ideal -- you really get to see how tough you are. Subsequent fasts can (and probably should) be started keto, if for no other reason than to spare muscle for the first 3 days.

Also....

A day three trick I use if I'm not already keto is to drink no water at all for 24 hours. Dry fasting *really* crushes your appetite/cravings and speeds ketosis induction and is perfectly safe for 24-48 hours.
 
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