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VECTOR , Doggcrapp, Progressive Calories

pfresh said:
Workout log

Dumbbell curl

Restpause rep goal 20-30
40 pound dumbbells

Reps
1)14
2)10
3)5

Total reps 29


Standing pin wheel curl

Straight set rep goal 11-20
40 pound dumbbells

1)15 reps


Horizontal calf raise

Straight set rep goal 10-12

1)255 x 14 reps


V squat

(Full range of motion right down to the bottom stop)
Straight set rep goal 6-10
335 pounds

1)14 reps

Widowmaker

Rep goal 20
279 pounds

1) 20 reps

(That widowmaker took it all out of me )

Romanian deadlift

Straight set
275 pounds

1) 10 reps
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Workout log

Dumbbell curl

Rest pause rep goal 20-30
40 pound dumbbells

1) 16
2) 9
3)5

Rep total 30

Increase weight next workout


Standing pin wheel curl

Straight set rep goal 11-20
40 pound dumbbells

1) 17

Horizontal calf raise

Straight set rep goal 10-12
270 pounds

1) 12


V squat

Straight set rep goal 6-10
344 pounds

1) 15

Widowmaker

284 pounds

2) 20

I was going for rep 21 and was completely done got to the bottom stop and couldn’t get back up. These really do a number on me.


Romanian deadlift

Straight set rep goal 11-15
275 pounds

1) 12
 
Doing Great In Here!
 
Cardio day .

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You are an animal !!!
 
Rocket3015 said:
You are an animal !!!
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I’ve been feeling like an animal eating all this red meat lately. Averaging about a pound and a half cooked a day. I’m not sure what it is but I always feel best the day after eating red meat as opposed to pork or chicken.
 
pfresh said:
I’ve been feeling like an animal eating all this red meat lately. Averaging about a pound and a half cooked a day. I’m not sure what it is but I always feel best the day after eating red meat as opposed to pork or chicken.
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Red meat is amazing! I feel great when I eat beef as well.
 
Beef and Venison I Love It!!
 
Nice cardio day! 111 floors!:)
 
Nice strength increases.
 
pfresh said:
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I often make 4 beef roasts at a time for eating during the work week. I also often bake a 10 pound bag of potatoes too. This makes meal prep very easy during the week for dinner. Then when I get home I will make a frying pan full of vegetables, which usually only takes 15 minutes and dinner is served. I don’t add any oils to the vegetables and just cook them as is, nothing added. Boring but it keeps the macros easy to manage. Sometimes I do chicken breasts or pork tenderloin but I always like to have a lot of meat on hand for easy meal prep.
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Little late in this but OMG!!! That looks soooooooo amazing??? food porn???
 
pfresh said:
Workout log

Dumbbell Incline Press

Rest pause rep goal 15-20
75 pounds Dumbbells

1) 13
2) 8
3) 4

Rep total 25

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Dumbbell Seated Press

Rest pause rep goal 15-30
60 pound dumbbells

1) 13
2) 9
3) 5

Rep total 27

Dips

Rest pause rep goal 15-20
Body weight plus 25 pounds

1) 13
2) 7
3) 4

Rep total 24 reps

Increase weight next workout

Wide grip chin ups

Rest pause rep goal 15-20
Body weight plus 10 pounds

1) 11
2) 6
3) 4

Rep total 21 reps

Increase weight next workout

Deadlift

* I should have went lighter on the first set of these, it’s definitely an adjustment doing the big compound movements last. I’m used to doing the heavy lifts first and I’m going to have to adjust my weights and lift a lot less doing them last.

Straight set rep goal
First set 5-8
Second set 9-12

Set 1
375 * 5 reps

Set 2
275 * 15 reps
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Workout log

Dumbbell incline press

Rest pause rep goal 15-20
80 pound dumbbells

1)13
2)6
3)5

Rep total 24 reps

Increase weight next workout

Dumbbell seated shoulder press

Rest pause rep goal 15-30
60 pound dumbbells

1)15
2)8
3)4

Rep total 27


Dips

Rest pause rep goal 15-20
35 pounds around waist

1)10
2)6
3)4

Rep total 20

Increase weight next workout


Wide grip chins . Dropped to body weight as per rockets suggestion

Rest pause rep goal 30 reps

1) 15
2) 8
3)5

Rep total 28


Deadlift

Straight set rep goal
Set 1 5-8
Set 2 9-12

Set one 355 pounds

1) 8

Set two 315 pounds

2) 12
 
4 weeks on Vector with the suggested calorie progression.

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Waist: 34 1/4”

Hip:38”


Left thigh:25.5”


Right thigh:25.5”


Chest:41”


Right arm:16”


Left arm:16”
 
My cardio is at 3 45 minute sessions a week. I am following the dc lifting protocol 3 days a week. I have been progressing calories at 150 per day a week. Calories are now at 4750 a day. Under normal circumstances I would always cut the bulk off at 15 percent body fat.

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If anyone has any suggestions for how to improve things moving forward I am all ears. I really don’t want to abandon the calorie progression because the purpose of this log was to see if vector could handle the extra calories that The Solution was being criticized for not eating .
 
I think you should cut back on your calories. In 4 weeks you have lost about 1.5% of your muscle quality and increased 3%+ BF. I don't think it's worth it to go all the way and screw up what you built just to continue what is already proven.
 
jtmass said:
I think you should cut back on your calories. In 4 weeks you have lost about 1.5% of your muscle quality and increased 3%+ BF. I don't think it's worth it to go all the way and screw up what you built just to continue what is already proven.
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If I cut back the calories now don’t you think that it could be argued that i did not give vector enough time to kick in? I would really like to hear bigsmall take on all this . I have no problem gaining more body fat in the name of experimentation. Cutting is easy for me. Getting lean is no problem, I have never been able to get big and strong.
 
pfresh said:
If I cut back the calories now don’t you think that it could be argued that i did not give vector enough time to kick in? I would really like to hear bigsmall take on all this . I have no problem gaining more body fat in the name of experimentation. Cutting is easy for me. Getting lean is no problem, I have never been able to get big and strong.
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You’re a better man than I am. With a 4% increase in body fat in just 4 weeks, I would be aborting (and altering) this experiment that’s paying you nothing for a product you’re not endorsing haha. But yes, by all means, for science if you wish.
 
If cutting is easy for you, by all means keep it going !!
 
pfresh said:
If anyone has any suggestions for how to improve things moving forward I am all ears. I really don’t want to abandon the calorie progression because the purpose of this log was to see if vector could handle the extra calories that The Solution was being criticized for not eating .
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You had a plan.
You stick to the plan
Deviating just skews what you outlined to do.
Said that from the beginning, and that is what you wanted to do to "Test" this product.
Therefore carry it out. That is exactly what you and brundel talked about

Changing variables is just going to mix the feedback you wanted to give this product.
 
The Solution said:
You had a plan.
You stick to the plan
Deviating just skews what you outlined to do.
Said that from the beginning, and that is what you wanted to do to "Test" this product.
Therefore carry it out. That is exactly what you and brundel talked about

Changing variables is just going to mix the feedback you wanted to give this product.
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2nd !!
 
The Solution said:
You had a plan.
You stick to the plan
Deviating just skews what you outlined to do.
Said that from the beginning, and that is what you wanted to do to "Test" this product.
Therefore carry it out. That is exactly what you and brundel talked about

Changing variables is just going to mix the feedback you wanted to give this product.
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One month of testing has already elevated his BF. Isn’t that a good testimony? If the product had to work, it would have worked by now. Just my opinion and I wouldn’t have gone through the entire stretch. Obviously, OP doesn’t have a problem cutting down and getting in shape. His body his decision
 
jtmass said:
One month of testing has already elevated his BF. Isn’t that a good testimony? If the product had to work, it would have worked by now. Just my opinion and I wouldn’t have gone through the entire stretch. Obviously, OP doesn’t have a problem cutting down and getting in shape. His body his decision
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do natty anabolics always tell the story in 4 weeks? absolutely not

OP outlined a plan with brundel to run the product intended by the company and what he has said is the golden ticket to results. How many people wanted to see this log? Lots.. We have heard over and over again people adding X or Y amount of muscle in a cycle of vector but we have yet to see any physical pictures or proof of this happening.

OP decided to test it so far and is up 4% bodyfat and 11 pounds, meaning he is on pace for around 30 pounds and 12% BF added.

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You are also one of the ones who commented in my log on progressive calories over the log of vector and seeing the results, and now you want to back off your own statement on how you intended to run the product?
Maybe you are having second thoughts after seeing some picture proof of those who are consistent with their variables running the product, and seeing first hand the results?
 
pfresh said:
The game plan is as follows:

I will be starting this log eating 4150 calories a day for the first week.

Calorie progression will be as follows

Week 2 4300
Week 3 4450
Week 4 4600
Week 5 4750
Week 6 4900
Week 7 5050
Week 8 5200

Protein will be set to 400 grams a day


Weight gain in this log will be a given. My maintenance calories sit around 4000 calories a day. What we are trying to determine here is how lean the mass gains will be. There have been a lot of claims stating the mass gained using Vector is mainly muscle. This log is to prove or disprove that statement.
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Stick to the Original plan no need to make adjustments and skew things.
 
The Solution said:
do natty anabolics always tell the story in 4 weeks? absolutely not

OP outlined a plan with brundel to run the product intended by the company and what he has said is the golden ticket to results. How many people wanted to see this log? Lots.. We have heard over and over again people adding X or Y amount of muscle in a cycle of vector but we have yet to see any physical pictures or proof of this happening.

OP decided to test it so far and is up 4% bodyfat and 11 pounds, meaning he is on pace for around 30 pounds and 12% BF added.

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You are also one of the ones who commented in my log on progressive calories over the log of vector and seeing the results, and now you want to back off your own statement on how you intended to run the product?
Maybe you are having second thoughts after seeing some picture proof of those who are consistent with their variables running the product, and seeing first hand the results?
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I am absolutely having second thoughts about running it with progressive calorie loading. His BF is already up. What’s the point of putting on 30lbs with 12% BF again. Do you think any miracles are going to happen now. No way!

Anyway. Like I said. I would have just stopped mid way with the log and recalibrated my diet to get my body back in shape. Losing fat takes a lot of work for me.
 
I will be running vector in the coming weeks and right now my calorie intake is 3K. When I start vector I will decrease calories to 2k.
 
jtmass said:
I am absolutely having second thoughts about running it with progressive calorie loading. His BF is already up. What’s the point of putting on 30lbs with 12% BF again. Do you think any miracles are going to happen now. No way!

Anyway. Like I said. I would have just stopped mid way with the log and recalibrated my diet to get my body back in shape. Losing fat takes a lot of work for me.
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I’m the same
I can gain 20lbs in a month but it takes me 2nmonths or strict dieting to lose the 20 lbs
 
Workout log

Dumbbell Flat Bench Press

Rest pause rep goal 20-30 reps
90 pound dumbbells

1)17
2)8
3)5

Rep total 30 reps

Increase weight next workout

Added four reps on this exercise from last time


Barbell seated shoulder press

Rest pause rep goal 15-20
135 pound barbell

1)9
2)5
3)3

Rep total 17

Lost a rep from last workout. If I fail again next time around, switch exercise out


Close grip Bench press

Straight set rep goal 11-15
185 pound barbell

1) 9

Second time I failed to beat log book. Time to switch this exercise out

MTS machine row

Rest pause rep goal 15-20
125 pounds per side

1)10
2)7
3)4

Rep total 21

Increase weight next workout
Same amount of reps as last time but with an extra five pounds per side

Barbell row
Straight set rep goal 10-12
195 pound barbell

1) 17

Added 3 reps and 5 pounds on barbell row. Making great progress on this exercise.
 
The Solution said:
do natty anabolics always tell the story in 4 weeks? absolutely not

OP outlined a plan with brundel to run the product intended by the company and what he has said is the golden ticket to results. How many people wanted to see this log? Lots.. We have heard over and over again people adding X or Y amount of muscle in a cycle of vector but we have yet to see any physical pictures or proof of this happening.

OP decided to test it so far and is up 4% bodyfat and 11 pounds, meaning he is on pace for around 30 pounds and 12% BF added.

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You are also one of the ones who commented in my log on progressive calories over the log of vector and seeing the results, and now you want to back off your own statement on how you intended to run the product?
Maybe you are having second thoughts after seeing some picture proof of those who are consistent with their variables running the product, and seeing first hand the results?
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I think The Solution is right here. It has only been four weeks. It would not be right to alter anything at this point. Maybe the vector is just starting to kick in and changing anything now would sabotage the gains that I may be able to make. I’m going to run the plan as stated for the full log (8 weeks) .
 
pfresh said:
I think The Solution is right here. It has only been four weeks. It would not be right to alter anything at this point. Maybe the vector is just starting to kick in and changing anything now would sabotage the gains that I may be able to make. I’m going to run the plan as stated for the full log (8 weeks) .
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Good Choice !!
 
Resolve10 said:
Where is the resident Vector ambassador when we need him....

Honestly man you gave it a good shot but you’ve gained a decent bit of body fat based on the measurement. I couldn’t stick to it for another month like that, wouldn’t be worth it to me.

I feel bad though I feel like if you stop some people will be mad you didn’t see it through, but if you keep going and gain more fat I’m sure there will just be another reason why it was your fault (I don’t think that, but I’ve seen how product reviews can go with how people pick logs apart...).
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I’m really not that concerned about having added a bit of fluff. I can get back down to ten percent fairly easy and quickly. Even if I was at 18 percent by the end of this log, that is really not that far from 10. That would be a 12 week cut and if I was able to be bigger at around 10 percent the next time around, that would be great too! I am still hopeful that vector will kick in soon!
 
pfresh said:
Any suggestions for an exercise I should switch the close grip bench press out for?
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Smith machine overhead lockouts. From just above your head up to lockout will trash them make the long head work HARD and give you a little more shoulder stim too.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Smith machine overhead lockouts. From just above your head up to lockout will trash them make the long head work HARD and give you a little more shoulder stim too.
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How wide of a grip do you use on these Kleen ??
 
4750 calories a day is getting tough to down. I am now drinking my calories.

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I’ve been drinking a carton of this everyday.
 
Change that over to their chocolate milk and you won’t have any problems
 
That’d would be like drinking syrup through a straw to me lol

I haven’t drank whole milk in 10+ years. I use to drink 0% (skim).. now I don’t drink milk at all. Either almond or cashew.
 
tyga tyga said:
That’d would be like drinking syrup through a straw to me lol

I haven’t drank whole milk in 10+ years. I use to drink 0% (skim).. now I don’t drink milk at all. Either almond or cashew.
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For the longest time I was drinking almond, unsweetened vanilla. Then I saw an ad at the movies for faire life milk and said “those are good macros!” So I made the switch. That and I like how it’s from the states, screw supply management.
 
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