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I played around with Ecdysterone from Leuzea as you can find from products in Eastern Europe (like Vemoherb, Nutrend or Anabolic Pro from MEX) and I honestly recover as well as I do with other well known products. But I can get Anabolic Pro (contains some weird 80% ecdysterone extract from Leuzea, 1.5g per 2 caps) for 18€ from Poland, which is good for 15-30 days. So recently I used mostly this product to great success. Obviously totally subjective
 
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What is the actual cap/day recommendation for Exubol 200mg caps? Like others have said, the label says 6-10 a day, but it also says that for the 50mg caps. Just wondering what’s correct?
 

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What is a good ecdy only product and is $80 the avg price for Mass Pro Synthagen, anywhere better price?
The standalone I like is Vemo Herbs Ecdysterone, an RCE based product. Unfortunately, it looks to be discontinued. Ecdynize by ******** looks to be the next best. Although I haven't used it, Danes has and I know and trust his opinion on the matter. Here again though, it isn't cheap. The $21 asking price is deceptive, because it's only 10mg per tab. In practice, a 200+ pound person is going to need on the order of about 10 caps a day to maximize effects, so it's around $63 for your Ecdy alone. That's before co-ingesting all of the other ingredients I've included in Synthagen, which are critical to maximizing your results.

Synthagen is exclusive to MASS, so that's the only place you can get it. $80 isn't cheap, but it is when you price out all of its other actives. For many on a budget, I recommend using it on training days only. At max dose (15 caps, 5 immediately pre-workout, 5 halfway through and 5 immediately post), it'll last 18 workouts, or a little more than a month for those training 4 days/week.

They also make something called Kre-Anabolyn, which uses the same RCE as Synthagen. More of a bulker, it pairs it with Kre-Alkalyn, 4-hydroxy isoleucine and red velvet bean (mucuna pruriens).

In summary, there are only a few quality ecdy products left on the market. It's a shame E-bol got discontinued, as that was another good one. It wasn't cheap though, as I said the good stuff never will be. It's sourced from Russia/grows in Siberia, and harvested only once a year in August. You may find some ecdy derived Suma still for sale though, and it's worth looking for. You're looking for a 25:1 extract, not the 5:1 stuff (junk, IMO).
 

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Mixelflick,

You've been marketing the Synthagen for years. You ever tested your Synthagen or the "full spectrum RCE" for ecdy content? Just curious.

And another question. You say 5:1 extract is junk and 25:1 is good, how do you know you get the good one?
 

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Run exubol caps at 6 per day. 2 every 8 hrs. After 3 weeks if you don't notice muscle gains better pumps in the gym increase to 8 caps a day. The exubol is one of few herbal anabolics that can produce noticeable gainz. 8 weeks could get 4 or 5lbs with some minor fats loss. Then you don't need pct or anything after. Stack it with hi tech laxo is what I do off cycle as a bridge with clomid.
 
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The standalone I like is Vemo Herbs Ecdysterone, an RCE based product. Unfortunately, it looks to be discontinued. Ecdynize by ******** looks to be the next best. Although I haven't used it, Danes has and I know and trust his opinion on the matter. Here again though, it isn't cheap. The $21 asking price is deceptive, because it's only 10mg per tab. In practice, a 200+ pound person is going to need on the order of about 10 caps a day to maximize effects, so it's around $63 for your Ecdy alone. That's before co-ingesting all of the other ingredients I've included in Synthagen, which are critical to maximizing your results.

Synthagen is exclusive to MASS, so that's the only place you can get it. $80 isn't cheap, but it is when you price out all of its other actives. For many on a budget, I recommend using it on training days only. At max dose (15 caps, 5 immediately pre-workout, 5 halfway through and 5 immediately post), it'll last 18 workouts, or a little more than a month for those training 4 days/week.

They also make something called Kre-Anabolyn, which uses the same RCE as Synthagen. More of a bulker, it pairs it with Kre-Alkalyn, 4-hydroxy isoleucine and red velvet bean (mucuna pruriens).

In summary, there are only a few quality ecdy products left on the market. It's a shame E-bol got discontinued, as that was another good one. It wasn't cheap though, as I said the good stuff never will be. It's sourced from Russia/grows in Siberia, and harvested only once a year in August. You may find some ecdy derived Suma still for sale though, and it's worth looking for. You're looking for a 25:1 extract, not the 5:1 stuff (junk, IMO).
Welcome back, I think you forgot to answer some older questions directed to you. Also the Synthagen is out of stock, seems like a poor mans website. How can one trust such a outdated product - yet new products seem not to deliver? I'm suspicious of this considering low sales.
 
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Welcome back, I think you forgot to answer some older questions directed to you. Also the Synthagen is out of stock, seems like a poor mans website. How can one trust such a outdated product - yet new products seem not to deliver? I'm suspicious of this considering low sales.
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I’ve ordered 5 bottles of Kre-Anabolyn from their site (as pictured) and bought a few bottles of Mass Pro Synthagen back in the day too. At the time I thought they were slightly improving recovery, and maybe they did to a degree, but looking back with a more objective perspective - I don’t believe they did anything at all that justifies their cost. I’m going to try Exubol in the near future with some RCE from Mass Max and see how that stacks up.
 
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I’ve ordered 5 bottles of Kre-Anabolyn from their site (as pictured) and bought a few bottles of Mass Pro Synthagen back in the day too. At the time I thought they were slightly improving recovery, and maybe they did to a degree, but looking back with a more objective perspective - I don’t believe they did anything at all that justifies their cost. I’m going to try Exubol in the near future with some RCE from Mass Max and see how that stacks up.
Mass Max is bunk has no Ecdy HPLC report was done on the product. Does not mean if 100 ppl say performax labs on this forum is legit, that it is legit!
 

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Whatever (quality) ecdy you choose, I wholeheartedly support it.

Naturals deserves products that work. Perhaps not to the extent anabolic steroids do (few, if any do) but work nonetheless. Rhaponticum Carthamoides Extract, a quality 25:1 Suma, Laxogenin etc are what to look for, although as I've stated several other ingredients are needed to maximize effectiveness. At the top of that list IMO are the Essential Amino Acids and a highly bio-available Magnesium (either asparate, citrate or picolinate).

Training too, needs to be tweaked but that is outside the context of my post. I am absolutely certain that the best in Ecdysterone is yet to come, as the final chapter has yet to be written. If you've followed just how many Ecdysterone's have been identified (and are STILL being identified), it's truly mind boggling. Ecdybase.org started with 121 identified ecdysterones. They are now up to 510!*

* http://ecdybase.org/

This doesn't include metabolites, which I feel are another area of study that needs to be addressed.
 

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Mixelflick,

Could you answer the questions, please?
You say the 5:1 leuzea extract is junk and the 25:1 one is good. Which one you use in Mass Pro Synthagen? What are the markers that help you to identify that the powder you received from China/Russia etc is the good leuzea extract? After years of manufacturing and selling the MassPro Synthagen, you ever tested the raw material or the finished product? I'm curios to see how the quality RCE non-standardized extract looks on HPLC.
I ask this questions as a potential customer, I'm not the board sponsor.
 
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Why you ignore questions if your legit? That ecdy sites is outdated who even runs it, normal ppl not understand it
 
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Vemoherb ecdysterone is still available. I am not sure why it should be discontinued.

I tried several ecdysterone extract (from Leuzea) with a similar success to Vemoherb. Haya Labs Nutrend, MEX Anabolic Pro, etc. there are some options out there.

Currently you can get 20% off at Vemoherb btw with verymerry20
 
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Vemoherb ecdysterone is still available. I am not sure why it should be discontinued.

I tried several ecdysterone extract (from Leuzea) with a similar success to Vemoherb. Haya Labs Nutrend, MEX Anabolic Pro, etc. there are some options out there.

Currently you can get 20% off at Vemoherb btw with verymerry20
How is Vemoherb compared to Tribestan.
 
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How is Vemoherb compared to Tribestan.
Their trib is alright, but not as good as tribestan (used to be better in the past). Their Yohimbe is not bad (and for us Europeans not easy to get, so a good source for it) and the ecdy is good.

So Tribestan is the best trib out there imo, even if there are some good cheap alternatives out there as well (I had good experiences with Trec Black Tribulus for instance)
 
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Their trib is alright, but not as good as tribestan (used to be better in the past). Their Yohimbe is not bad (and for us Europeans not easy to get, so a good source for it) and the ecdy is good.

So Tribestan is the best trib out there imo, even if there are some good cheap alternatives out there as well (I had good experiences with Trec Black Tribulus for instance)
Trec Black Tribulus is priced pretty good, will try that.
 
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Thanks brother. What follows are my thoughts and opinions on the matter...

Turk was supposed to be "THE" ecdysterone with the greatest anabolic effect. Danes and I have used tons of it, compared notes and I've used every other Ecdy I could get my hands on (up to and including a sterile, RCE inj made by a well known chemist). I saw better VO2 max, but that's where it started and ended. Speculation is that it was due to increased red blood cells, but I don't have bloodwork to back that up. There are much better Ecdy products than Turk IMO, especially for recovery.

The final chapter hasn't been written however, as scientists at the University of Szeged* in Hungary have recently identified 8 "stripped" ecdysterones that display 3x greater anabolic activity vs the reference standard, 20-Hydroxyedcysterone. In the process of writing The Blueprint 3.0, I paid for several of their research papers (and still do to this day).

There is one issue: To the best of anyone's knowledge, 7 of these "stripped" ecdy's aren't naturally occurring. That could be problematic, in bringing a product to market. We shall see..

* https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0045206818307697?via=ihub
Well I don't think that it is turk is ineffective. Rather everyone is trying to isolate one ecdy that it is the anabolic one. You are not gonna find one, at least by itself. They are synergistic with each other. Not to mention solubility and intestinal permeability sucks, they are incredibly fast to be broken down, and the fact we are not a Petrie dish.

High doses turk with also high dose full spectrum extract, all with cyclodextrin complex and sodium caprate, and dose like every hour. I think the result would be different. Not to mention usually additional things to take advantage of certain activated genes, that ecdys active. This has a lot of potential higher, it is just not economically feasible for really any company.
 
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jameschoi any feedback after a few more day in?
Tribestan is the bomb, muscles are feeling full and feel more leaner. You always feel hungry with trib. I have bought trib powder from two other places and both were bunk. This stuff works. Also found another bulgarian trib that is cheaper at 120 caps.

It was only $28 so you can't go wrong. I was running ARA before the trib arrived and the ARA is nothing compared to trib. And ARA was $40.
 

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Tribestan is the bomb, muscles are feeling full and feel more leaner. You always feel hungry with trib. I have bought trib powder from two other places and both were bunk. This stuff works. Also found another bulgarian trib that is cheaper at 120 caps.

It was only $28 so you can't go wrong. I was running ARA before the trib arrived and the ARA is nothing compared to trib. And ARA was $40.
Do you still are using 2 caps a day? How the libido?
 

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Just scooped these off ebay; really hope they are legit. Anyone ever run these?

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Probably Chinese bulk powder in caps. Might do a little bit or nothing at all.

I played around with Turkesterone not coming from the official guys in Usbekistan and had not much luck.

But cheap enough to give it a shot
 

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Probably Chinese bulk powder in caps. Might do a little bit or nothing at all.

I played around with Turkesterone not coming from the official guys in Usbekistan and had not much luck.

But cheap enough to give it a shot
That's my thought too. Figured I'd run these before buying 6 bottles of Exubol 200.
 

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Exubol 200 and Iconogenin laxo are the two best natty products I've ever used.

I take 6 Exubol 200 and 130 mg of ecdyzine pre workout and feel like a god in the gym.

Those two alone or stacked with a good laxo are as good as your gonna do natty. I wouldn't waste my money on any of this other **** besides ARA but at 45 my joints prefer the laxo/turk/ecdy combo.

Strength, endurance, body comp, fullness, mind muscle connection etc it's all there. For me at least ymmv
 

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Exubol 200 and Iconogenin laxo are the two best natty products I've ever used.

I take 6 Exubol 200 and 130 mg of ecdyzine pre workout and feel like a god in the gym.

Those two alone or stacked with a good laxo are as good as your gonna do natty. I wouldn't waste my money on any of this other **** besides ARA but at 45 my joints prefer the laxo/turk/ecdy combo.

Strength, endurance, body comp, fullness, mind muscle connection etc it's all there. For me at least ymmv
I take 8 capsules of Exubol 200 each day. It’s good stuff.

Each tablet of Ecdynize is 10 mg. So you pop 13 of these bad boys at one time pre-workout? On what basis did you decide that 130 mg is the appropriate dose?
 

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Turk and ecdy have a stimulating effect. I've needed to cut way back on my caffeine intake. Dosing them throughout the day ****s with my sleep. I train first thing in the am so this way works well for me. I also love how I feel in the gym taking them all pre workout compared to spreading the dosing out.

As far as the 130 mg dose of Ecdynize I just kept adding a tablet until I felt too stimulated then dialed it back a tab. 13 seems to be the sweet spot for me. Might be different for someone else.
 
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Exubol 200 and Iconogenin laxo are the two best natty products I've ever used.

I take 6 Exubol 200 and 130 mg of ecdyzine pre workout and feel like a god in the gym.

Those two alone or stacked with a good laxo are as good as your gonna do natty. I wouldn't waste my money on any of this other **** besides ARA but at 45 my joints prefer the laxo/turk/ecdy combo.

Strength, endurance, body comp, fullness, mind muscle connection etc it's all there. For me at least ymmv
everyone who uses iconogenin seems to have good things to say about it.
 
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Ecdy Pre Workout? Ok, I am getting the best results spaced out and close to a protein rich meal.

I do also think that Exubol and Tonvara are the best choices for Turk. However, I am always trying new stuff and currently am happy with Ecdysterone from Leuzea. Their label ist probably inaccurate when they claim that they standardize it to 80-90% ecdysterone, but hey they work.

Ecdynize is just too pricey. You get Eastern European ecdy from Leuzea at 250mg - 750mg (80% ecdysterone) per tab or 250mg at 90% ecdysterone for a good price. 6-8 tabs a day and this is great stuff.

There is an American brand which almost only sells in Eastern Europe which sells 60 tabs at 750mg (80% ecdysterone) at around 18€/20$. I take 3 a day and I feel great. I take 4 and I am pumped all day. (MEXUCAN for those who are interested)
 
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One bottle costs only $6.99? Good grief.
You can get a kg of 20:1 Ajuna Turkestanica for about 20-40$ depending on the volume you buy. I am pretty sure that it is simply Chinese bulk powder put into capsules. I had decent enough results with regard to recovery when I consumed like 6-8g a day, but who knows what is really in there.

I guess you have to take like at least 10 caps or something to feel anything.
 

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Ajuga Turkestanica extract standardized at 40% HPLC....product of Uzb.
1) 40% of what? Did they put this misleading info on the label intentionally? (In case they get tested and the test reveals no actives).
2) Product of Uzb that was made in US?
3) Who made this product, did they copy that info from the COA the lab/supplier submitted to them? How did their QC allowed this info to be placed on the product?

I believe I found the intro video for that supp :

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjK859snD8H



 
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Ajuga Turkestanica extract standardized at 40% HPLC....product of Uzb.
1) 40% of what? Did they put this misleading info on the label intentionally? (In case they get tested and the test reveals no actives).
2) Product of Uzb that was made in US?
3) Who made this product, did they copy that info from the COA the lab/supplier submitted to them? How did their QC allowed this info to be placed on the product?

I believe I found the intro video for that supp :

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjK859snD8H
That's what the CoA of the seller on Alibaba said, so it must be true.
 

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Ajuga Turkestanica extract standardized at 40% HPLC....product of Uzb.
1) 40% of what? Did they put this misleading info on the label intentionally? (In case they get tested and the test reveals no actives).
2) Product of Uzb that was made in US?
3) Who made this product, did they copy that info from the COA the lab/supplier submitted to them? How did their QC allowed this info to be placed on the product?

I believe I found the intro video for that supp :

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjK859snD8H
That video was great and what I pretty much thought about the product. baxmax does ecdysterone/turkesterone need any type of special delivery system to make it more effective?
 

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mbonheur,

Most of you prolly don't know how expensive is pure ecdy that was extracted from RC and purified. It takes hundreds kg of RC to get 1 kg of pure ecdysterone. Even 50% Ecdy (stdn extract) is VERY VERY expensive.
Ajuga is an endemic plant from Uzb, with 20:1 or any other " ratio standardization", Chinese can sell whatever they want for a few US dollars and any US based (even GMP) co-manufacturer will use a COA provided by their supplier.
Rhaponticum is an amazing herb, packing lots of actives and benefits. If you are an ecdy fan, try to locate a good supplier from Siberia, 1kg will cost you over $100 + shipping tho.
P.S. 50 gr of ecdy (calculated as pure ecdy) for $20 (finished/retail sold product) is impossible price tag
 

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I believe, the major issue with ecdy is the fast elimination from our blood stream. I'd work on making ecdy stay in our bloodstream longer instead of making it more bioabailable.
Ecdysteroids (ecdysterone/turkesterone) has no issues with bioavailability, absorption.

That video was great and what I pretty much thought about the product. baxmax does ecdysterone/turkesterone need any type of special delivery system to make it more effective?
 
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mbonheur,

Most of you prolly don't know how expensive is pure ecdy that was extracted from RC and purified. It takes hundreds kg of RC to get 1 kg of pure ecdysterone. Even 50% Ecdy (stdn extract) is VERY VERY expensive.
Ajuga is an endemic plant from Uzb, with 20:1 or any other standardization, Chinese can sell whatever they want for a few US dollars and any US based (even GMP) co-manufacturer will use a COA provided by their supplier.
Rhaponticum is an amazing herb, packing lots of actives and benefits. If you are an ecdy fan, try to locate a good supplier from Siberia, 1kg will cost you over $100 + shipping tho.
P.S. 50 gr of ecdy (calculated as pure ecdy) for $20 (finished/retail sold product) is impossible price tag
I am very well aware of it. That is why I said that the claims about the standardization are probably inaccurate. The product (it is 36g btw) contains Leuzea and who knows how much ecdy, but I know how the stuff feels. I have tried Ecdysterone from Leuzea from Vemoherb to Ecdynize, dozens of brands.

Btw I do also my own maral root tinctures with the roots directly bought from Siberia.

It is how it is, almost no product meets their label claims and you have to rely on your own experiences to some extent. I like your products, but I can only justify the price for your Exubol. The difference I felt from Ecdynize and the mentioned brands were not strong enough at a fraction of the price. Likewise, with Tribulus I rather stick with Tribestan, in particular since Vemoherb went downhill (own experience).

Anyways, interesting discussion. It is a pity that we can't openly discuss some products on here and how it is impossible to have quality ingredients at their price tag.
 

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THEstudent,

I believe, the major issue with ecdy is the fast elimination from our blood stream. I'd work on making ecdy stay in our bloodstream longer instead of making it more bioabailable.
Ecdysteroids (ecdysterone/turkesterone) has no issues with bioavailability, absorption.
I have read where there is an absorption issue, which is why shilajit is often recommended. Is that not the case?
 
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I recently ran 6 bottles of Exubol 200 (5 directly from ******** and 1 from Amazon bc they were short supply) to last me 8.5 weeks. Started at 6 caps/day and went up a cap/day every 2 weeks until I was at 10 caps/day. I honestly didn’t get much from it. Maybe a bit of clearer skin and slightly improved recovery between workouts. And maaaybe allowed me to keep some fat off while bulking. But I got absolutely no stimulating effect. I could even take it with a nighttime meal and fall right asleep. Kind of disappointing overall tbh. I tried to strategically time it out with carbs before a workout and huge post-workout meal and still and never experienced any additional strength or mass that I could attribute to the product.
 
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You aint going get stim effects from turk never heard of that before- total bull****
 

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Tossed my ebay Turk. Balls are all tender and ****...

So are people getting gains from legit turk?

Thinking of just giving up with these naturals and going PH. It would be cheaper than 6 bottles of Exubol 200...
 

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You aint going get stim effects from turk never heard of that before- total bull****
Thank goodness the world's foremost authority on ecdysteroids took the time to come in here and correct me. I must be full of **** because this guy never heard of it.


Look, I'm not comparing it to DMAA or ephedrine. I'm saying for me it seems to either have a synergistic or potentiating effect with caffeine and I get a bit wired/anxious towards the end of the day if I spread the dose out. I feel it's more pronounced when I use both the exubol and ecdynize combo vs. just the turk alone but I do get it from just the turk if I push past 8 caps/day.


It might be just me but I've spoken to others who've noticed a similar effect. Could also be an age thing because I've noticed as I've gotten older I'm more sensitive to caffeine and stims in general. I don't take preworkouts any more, just a few cups of black coffee. In my 20's I could pop ephedra tabs like they were tic-tacs and feel fantastic. Now I'd just be anxious and moody.


This is my personal experience playing around with this stuff the last couple of years. Believe it or don't believe it, it's of no consequence to me one way or the other.
 
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Thank goodness the world's foremost authority on ecdysteroids took the time to come in here and correct me. I must be full of **** because this guy never heard of it.


Look, I'm not comparing it to DMAA or ephedrine. I'm saying for me it seems to either have a synergistic or potentiating effect with caffeine and I get a bit wired/anxious towards the end of the day if I spread the dose out. I feel it's more pronounced when I use both the exubol and ecdynize combo vs. just the turk alone but I do get it from just the turk if I push past 8 caps/day.


It might be just me but I've spoken to others who've noticed a similar effect. Could also be an age thing because I've noticed as I've gotten older I'm more sensitive to caffeine and stims in general. I don't take preworkouts any more, just a few cups of black coffee. In my 20's I could pop ephedra tabs like they were tic-tacs and feel fantastic. Now I'd just be anxious and moody.


This is my personal experience playing around with this stuff the last couple of years. Believe it or don't believe it, it's of no consequence to me one way or the other.
Which brand you use , hope no amazon alibarba spiked turk? I hear you out just not sold as stim product , first to hear of this, is penis stim dick or no effect, if stim dick im sure you not taking turk
 

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