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Whisky’s test e, tbol, liquidien and winny cycle log

Without wanna "painting it black", I would not go too enthusiastic after PR's on cycle. Injuries happened to me mostly while on cycle and ego lifting. Maybe your body can handle it -but mine does not.
Better to up volume and go heavy once a month. Just looking out for you, bro. Remember, tendons grow slower than muscles. The sudden strength increase puts your tendons under stress.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Without wanna "painting it black", I would not go too enthusiastic after PR's on cycle. Injuries happened to me mostly while on cycle and ego lifting. Maybe your body can handle it -but mine does not.
Better to up volume and go heavy once a month. Just looking out for you, bro. Remember, tendons grow slower than muscles. The sudden strength increase puts your tendons under stress.
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This is definitely true, my ego lifting leaked into my Rad140 pct once and i messed up my quad trying to hit 365 after hitting 355, still not fully recovered but i can squat again, ill feel it if my leg is really straight during leg lifts. I dont go for failure unless it over 3 reps or i just cant hit beyond 1 or 2 reps.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Without wanna "painting it black", I would not go too enthusiastic after PR's on cycle. Injuries happened to me mostly while on cycle and ego lifting. Maybe your body can handle it -but mine does not.
Better to up volume and go heavy once a month. Just looking out for you, bro. Remember, tendons grow slower than muscles. The sudden strength increase puts your tendons under stress.
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Yep it’s a good point you raise HG.

On the plus side for me, even natty, recovery (along with endurance) was always a strength, might be my lack of lifting years despite my age......

It probably helps that the pr’s over the past month haven’t been maxes per se, more so that I hit the point in the program where the pre set numbers also happened to be pr’s. Last week or so has been totally maximal though.

I’ve 3 weeks left on this program and as soon as I miss (or form is shocking to make the rep) I’m deloading for sure.

This madcow program has been good for this cycle but for sure now I’m shifting proper weight it’s not one I’d do next time. I’ll certainly plan a more hyperthrophy based bulk I think.

Still learning about myself and how I respond to things all the time. For example, i seem to be able to get to 229 ish in weight on cycle and then stall. Obviously more calories is the answer as even this week when my cardio dropped off (just due to work commitments) I still didn’t gain weight despite keeping Cals at 4,250. Next time I’ll keep pushing them up and up earlier on (doing that now on this run but probably lost a few weeks of growth at least).

Appreciate the input as always though bro, gotta learn from the guys who’ve been there and done it before.
 
Day 70 - end of first 10 weeks

Less sleep last night than normal (no reason other than I had to get up early) but felt decent all day regardless.

Little 5k this morning and then channelled my inner HGP and did 1 hour full power arms this afternoon with a bit of abs. Nothing crazy but just loads of different variations and 10+ reps on everything. Fun session really.

No question I’m getting something from the GW, cardio performance has improved around 5% this week with no other obvious reason.

Libido is still sky high. If I’m not actually doing something sex related I’m thinking about it. At the risk of sounding that guy who used to always make posts about the size of loads, I have noticed an increase in that as well. Consistently so. Makes fcuk all difference to me but it’s a definite change.

Pushed Cals up to 4.500 as weight is still sitting at 229 (even with a week of less activity than normal for me).

Obviously excited to start winny tomorrow - can’t wait to see what that brings.

Last 6 weeks coming up and I’m stoked AF
 
Regarding the bench triple being a grinder - it could have been just a positioning or activation thing. If I misgroove my bench or forget to do something fundamental (like press hard AF from the get-go lol) it can make a huge difference.
 
Whisky said:
Day 70 - end of first 10 weeks

Less sleep last night than normal (no reason other than I had to get up early) but felt decent all day regardless.

Little 5k this morning and then channelled my inner HGP and did 1 hour full power arms this afternoon with a bit of abs. Nothing crazy but just loads of different variations and 10+ reps on everything. Fun session really.

No question I’m getting something from the GW, cardio performance has improved around 5% this week with no other obvious reason.

Libido is still sky high. If I’m not actually doing something sex related I’m thinking about it. At the risk of sounding that guy who used to always make posts about the size of loads, I have noticed an increase in that as well. Consistently so. Makes fcuk all difference to me but it’s a definite change.

Pushed Cals up to 4.500 as weight is still sitting at 229 (even with a week of less activity than normal for me).

Obviously excited to start winny tomorrow - can’t wait to see what that brings.

Last 6 weeks coming up and I’m stoked AF
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Patience with winstrol.. I'd say after 3 weeks you will notice slightly, it really shines after or during week 4. Winstrol is one of the orals I almost feel is mandatory to run 6 weeks. It's not because it keeps building muscle but the hardening effect. I guess one could go twice the dosage and shorter cycle but that could be a stupid choice.

Just saying this in advance from personal experience so you don't start feeling you have bunk.

Yeah that load guy haha.
 
Hyde said:
Regarding the bench triple being a grinder - it could have been just a positioning or activation thing. If I misgroove my bench or forget to do something fundamental (like press hard AF from the get-go lol) it can make a huge difference.
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Yep do agree with this. My form is not great on bench (it’ll be better than the elbow flared standard gym rat form but I know it’s far from perfect). When I get over 220 I think my biggest problem is stabilisation in the shoulder leading to a less controlled descent and then I struggle to time the leg drive on the way back up. I’m planning to incorporate more dips and ph pressing to try and fix that issue.....
 
Day 71

First day of winny - excited (although heeding the warning from Chados about time for effects). But just excited to be back on an oral, something for that little extra boost plus for me I just want to see what impact it’ll have on what I hope is still a lot of sub q water.

Still feeling ace, really love test. Have noticed a difference at 600mg a week from the starting 450mg.

Stabbing day, smooth af. Still amazes me how easy I find that now.

Training was good. I’ve said it before and I’m probably going to say it every time I take it but hydrazine by hydrapharm is the best pwo I’ve ever had by some distance (and I’ve tried loads). I use it spareingly cause it’s crazy expensive and I don’t want to build up an immunity to it but it’s kust such a clean focus it gives.

Top set back squat 5 at 357.5 (pr) - slightly weird set. 1st rep was lovely, second rep I just didn’t explode out of the hole at all and had to fight it up a bit, 3rd rep moved so well I thought I might have been shallow but checked back on video and was spot on, 4th rep was ok, 5th rep was a bit hips up first but within my acceptable range.

Bench has plateaued (see comment above)

Bench over row 5 at 253 (pr)

However, normally after that session I’ve been smoked the last month and just left it there, today I just wanted to keep training. Hit upped back and legs for volume approx 300 reps), could have kept going but ran out of time after 2 hours.

Came home and ate big time. Had already decided I was going to hammer a massive feed tonight just to really try and get things moving. Did 4,500 Cals in the 90 mins after training for 6,500 cal total today (about 850g carbs). Hopefully that kicks off the last 6 weeks in the right style.....

Have a killer Sunday guys
 
Whisky said:
Day 71

First day of winny - excited (although heeding the warning from Chados about time for effects). But just excited to be back on an oral, something for that little extra boost plus for me I just want to see what impact it’ll have on what I hope is still a lot of sub q water.

Still feeling ace, really love test. Have noticed a difference at 600mg a week from the starting 450mg.

Stabbing day, smooth af. Still amazes me how easy I find that now.

Training was good. I’ve said it before and I’m probably going to say it every time I take it but hydrazine by hydrapharm is the best pwo I’ve ever had by some distance (and I’ve tried loads). I use it spareingly cause it’s crazy expensive and I don’t want to build up an immunity to it but it’s kust such a clean focus it gives.

Top set back squat 5 at 357.5 (pr) - slightly weird set. 1st rep was lovely, second rep I just didn’t explode out of the hole at all and had to fight it up a bit, 3rd rep moved so well I thought I might have been shallow but checked back on video and was spot on, 4th rep was ok, 5th rep was a bit hips up first but within my acceptable range.

Bench has plateaued (see comment above)

Bench over row 5 at 253 (pr)

However, normally after that session I’ve been smoked the last month and just left it there, today I just wanted to keep training. Hit upped back and legs for volume approx 300 reps), could have kept going but ran out of time after 2 hours.

Came home and ate big time. Had already decided I was going to hammer a massive feed tonight just to really try and get things moving. Did 4,500 Cals in the 90 mins after training for 6,500 cal total today (about 850g carbs). Hopefully that kicks off the last 6 weeks in the right style.....

Have a killer Sunday guys
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Awesome brother keep crushing it
 
Whisky said:
Day 71

First day of winny - excited (although heeding the warning from Chados about time for effects). But just excited to be back on an oral, something for that little extra boost plus for me I just want to see what impact it’ll have on what I hope is still a lot of sub q water.

Still feeling ace, really love test. Have noticed a difference at 600mg a week from the starting 450mg.

Stabbing day, smooth af. Still amazes me how easy I find that now.

Training was good. I’ve said it before and I’m probably going to say it every time I take it but hydrazine by hydrapharm is the best pwo I’ve ever had by some distance (and I’ve tried loads). I use it spareingly cause it’s crazy expensive and I don’t want to build up an immunity to it but it’s kust such a clean focus it gives.

Top set back squat 5 at 357.5 (pr) - slightly weird set. 1st rep was lovely, second rep I just didn’t explode out of the hole at all and had to fight it up a bit, 3rd rep moved so well I thought I might have been shallow but checked back on video and was spot on, 4th rep was ok, 5th rep was a bit hips up first but within my acceptable range.

Bench has plateaued (see comment above)

Bench over row 5 at 253 (pr)

However, normally after that session I’ve been smoked the last month and just left it there, today I just wanted to keep training. Hit upped back and legs for volume approx 300 reps), could have kept going but ran out of time after 2 hours.

Came home and ate big time. Had already decided I was going to hammer a massive feed tonight just to really try and get things moving. Did 4,500 Cals in the 90 mins after training for 6,500 cal total today (about 850g carbs). Hopefully that kicks off the last 6 weeks in the right style.....

Have a killer Sunday guys
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If it wasn't Sunday man.. Damn you're eating like a truck. Excited to see the transformation. You're gonna be amazed by how winstrol makes your body look dry compared to other steroids. I think it beats tren for leaning out, it's way faster for sure.
 
Whisky said:
Yep do agree with this. My form is not great on bench (it’ll be better than the elbow flared standard gym rat form but I know it’s far from perfect). When I get over 220 I think my biggest problem is stabilisation in the shoulder leading to a less controlled descent and then I struggle to time the leg drive on the way back up. I’m planning to incorporate more dips and ph pressing to try and fix that issue.....
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Having a strong enough upper back & rear delts, and the patience to control the bar on the descent, are the biggest things I have found to help that.

Not that I’m a good bencher, but I am a lot better than I was, and have had the opportunity to learn from some good ones and helped others to a lot of PRs in the bench. There’s just a lot going on in the power bench if you wanna get all you can out of it, no doubt.
 
Whisky said:
Yep do agree with this. My form is not great on bench (it’ll be better than the elbow flared standard gym rat form but I know it’s far from perfect). When I get over 220 I think my biggest problem is stabilisation in the shoulder leading to a less controlled descent and then I struggle to time the leg drive on the way back up. I’m planning to incorporate more dips and ph pressing to try and fix that issue.....
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Also target serratus anterior, they are the most important bench muscles besides the pecs IMO!
 
Whisky said:
Day 71

First day of winny - excited (although heeding the warning from Chados about time for effects). But just excited to be back on an oral, something for that little extra boost plus for me I just want to see what impact it’ll have on what I hope is still a lot of sub q water.

Still feeling ace, really love test. Have noticed a difference at 600mg a week from the starting 450mg.

Stabbing day, smooth af. Still amazes me how easy I find that now.

Training was good. I’ve said it before and I’m probably going to say it every time I take it but hydrazine by hydrapharm is the best pwo I’ve ever had by some distance (and I’ve tried loads). I use it spareingly cause it’s crazy expensive and I don’t want to build up an immunity to it but it’s kust such a clean focus it gives.

Top set back squat 5 at 357.5 (pr) - slightly weird set. 1st rep was lovely, second rep I just didn’t explode out of the hole at all and had to fight it up a bit, 3rd rep moved so well I thought I might have been shallow but checked back on video and was spot on, 4th rep was ok, 5th rep was a bit hips up first but within my acceptable range.

Bench has plateaued (see comment above)

Bench over row 5 at 253 (pr)

However, normally after that session I’ve been smoked the last month and just left it there, today I just wanted to keep training. Hit upped back and legs for volume approx 300 reps), could have kept going but ran out of time after 2 hours.

Came home and ate big time. Had already decided I was going to hammer a massive feed tonight just to really try and get things moving. Did 4,500 Cals in the 90 mins after training for 6,500 cal total today (about 850g carbs). Hopefully that kicks off the last 6 weeks in the right style.....

Have a killer Sunday guys
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Oh man I'd love know what you ate to hit 4.5k in 90min!!
 
BennyMagoo79 said:
Oh man I'd love know what you ate to hit 4.5k in 90min!!
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Haha, it was carnage....basically 13 larges slices pizza, a whole cheesy garlic bread, breaded chicken strips, assorted sauces, couple of protein bars, load of mini chocolates/sweets and some ice cream.....worse thing is I could have kept going no problem lol. For some reason on the odd occasion I do eat crap (prob once every 3-6 months) I can just consume crazy amounts. Eating proper food around 4,500 Cals for a day would be a challenge but dirty it up and the sky’s the limit
 
Whisky said:
Haha, it was carnage....basically 13 larges slices pizza, a whole cheesy garlic bread, breaded chicken strips, assorted sauces, couple of protein bars, load of mini chocolates/sweets and some ice cream.....worse thing is I could have kept going no problem lol. For some reason on the odd occasion I do eat crap (prob once every 3-6 months) I can just consume crazy amounts. Eating proper food around 4,500 Cals for a day would be a challenge but dirty it up and the sky’s the limit
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Damn that's a nicely balanced feast!
 
Hyde said:
You must be wired differently - that would fill almost anyone, crap or no!
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To be honest I hate that I can do it - it’s what made me so overweight and even after losing the weight the ability remains. I’ve never just tried to eat as much as possible in a day but genuinely believe 15,000 Cals would be more than possible for me. Crap like pizza, chocolate etc doesn’t seem to give me any feeling of fullness at all. Pretty sh1tty talent to have but I guess we all have our own special skills lol
 
Yeah, but if you ever decide to do a 15,000 calorie challenge, let us all know. That’s coming up on Beard Meets Food level capacity! Love that channel.
 
SkRaw85 said:
Hmmmm, perhaps a beard vs whisky eat off is in the works?
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Whenever I see those things on Facebook with a massive pizza or big pile of fast food and the caption ‘you have 60 minutes with five friends to finish this and win £100,000, which friends do you ask?’ My first thought is who the duck needs friends for that.....
 
Whisky said:
Whenever I see those things on Facebook with a massive pizza or big pile of fast food and the caption ‘you have 60 minutes with five friends to finish this and win £100,000, which friends do you ask?’ My first thought is who the duck needs friends for that.....
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That’s a winner’s attitude.
 
Whisky said:
To be honest I hate that I can do it - it’s what made me so overweight and even after losing the weight the ability remains. I’ve never just tried to eat as much as possible in a day but genuinely believe 15,000 Cals would be more than possible for me. Crap like pizza, chocolate etc doesn’t seem to give me any feeling of fullness at all. Pretty sh1tty talent to have but I guess we all have our own special skills lol
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I too was born with this superpower. I used to eat so much that I would pop a rib lol.
 
I am lucky that I can get full relatively easy, it is a good thing because I can get fat on pretty low amount of calories too...
 
MrKleen73 said:
I am lucky that I can get full relatively easy, it is a good thing because I can get fat on pretty low amount of calories too...
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Yeah I used to be pissed that I could eat like this (same with alcohol as well, I had a naturally high tolerance and ability to function under the influence, led to my alcoholism) but then I took a step back and realised that we all have some good and bad aspects. Easy to ignore the good but lots in my favour so I guess putting up with an ability to eat my body weight in crap food is not too bad lol
 
Whisky said:
Yeah I used to be pissed that I could eat like this (same with alcohol as well, I had a naturally high tolerance and ability to function under the influence, led to my alcoholism) but then I took a step back and realised that we all have some good and bad aspects. Easy to ignore the good but lots in my favour so I guess putting up with an ability to eat my body weight in crap food is not too bad lol
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Right, and it isn't the ability to do that which causes the problems, it is the tendency to do so... I still have a tendency to eat more, or more of the wrong things than I should...
 
Day 72 - nothing exciting, did a load of bench accessory stuff and went for a run.

Day 73 - felt good today, no apparent sides (or anything) from the winny yet. Did appear to be pissing more than normal but I hydrate pretty well so generally piss a lot. Might just be me imagining an increase to be honest.

Training - short story is the program called for deadlift, 5 reps at 473. The third rep told me 5 wasn’t there (could have made an ugly 4th but whilst I’m stubborn and a bit stupid I’m not a complete fcuking idiot, attempting 5 would have been foolish). A solid 3 at 473 is technically a pr but it’s a bit of a plateau. Whereas before when I missed I didn’t feel right that wasn’t the case tonight, no obvious reason, just simply wasn’t there.

With that and bench stalling I think the smart play is to deload 1 week, hit arms, assistance work, maybe some fun conditioning stuff. Generally mix it up and restart the program at this point next week.

It’ll give my cns a break (I’ve been progressively overloading for 10 weeks and 9 weeks ago 5 at 380 was a massive grind).

I want to give the winny chance to kick in and at this stage I think pushing through will hinder my last 5 weeks growth.

Obviously plan to keep calories up and trust it’s not fat I’ve gained......

One thing I have been noticing (for the past week) is a real tightness in any muscle I shorten, as in if I bend my arm for any period of time when I straighten it I really have to stretch it back straight. Arms and pecs really noticeable.....
 
Whisky said:
Day 72 - nothing exciting, did a load of bench accessory stuff and went for a run.

Day 73 - felt good today, no apparent sides (or anything) from the winny yet. Did appear to be pissing more than normal but I hydrate pretty well so generally piss a lot. Might just be me imagining an increase to be honest.

Training - short story is the program called for deadlift, 5 reps at 473. The third rep told me 5 wasn’t there (could have made an ugly 4th but whilst I’m stubborn and a bit stupid I’m not a complete fcuking idiot, attempting 5 would have been foolish). A solid 3 at 473 is technically a pr but it’s a bit of a plateau. Whereas before when I missed I didn’t feel right that wasn’t the case tonight, no obvious reason, just simply wasn’t there.

With that and bench stalling I think the smart play is to deload 1 week, hit arms, assistance work, maybe some fun conditioning stuff. Generally mix it up and restart the program at this point next week.

It’ll give my cns a break (I’ve been progressively overloading for 10 weeks and 9 weeks ago 5 at 380 was a massive grind).

I want to give the winny chance to kick in and at this stage I think pushing through will hinder my last 5 weeks growth.

Obviously plan to keep calories up and trust it’s not fat I’ve gained......

One thing I have been noticing (for the past week) is a real tightness in any muscle I shorten, as in if I bend my arm for any period of time when I straighten it I really have to stretch it back straight. Arms and pecs really noticeable.....
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Yes deload! So important on cycle too as I find this is when I grow.
 
BennyMagoo79 said:
Yes deload! So important on cycle too as I find this is when I grow.
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Yes definitely feed yourself while you are deloading that is when your body has time to actually super-compensate for all the stress you have been beating it up with. Calories should stay the same or even higher during your deload unless you are trying to cut.
 
You will be surprised how good you will look During and after your de load. Damn 10 weeks of PO!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yes definitely feed yourself while you are deloading that is when your body has time to actually super-compensate for all the stress you have been beating it up with. Calories should stay the same or even higher during your deload unless you are trying to cut.
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Yep, I’ll keep slamming the food down for sure. Makes perfect sense to me. Thanks
 
Day 74 - was a planned rest day. Busy with work and travelling so worked out well

Day 75 - did some chest and triceps. Focused on technique with lighter weight on bench. Used paused reps, pin presses and floor presses.

Day 76 - light pump stuff for back and bi’s. Kept the session under an hour

Day 77

As s general update I’ve definitely started to notice a slight increase in joint soreness. Nothing especially bad tbf, but given my joints had felt amazing it’s a noticeable change (obviously expected it and this is the extent then it’s really no issue).

Libido has maybe taken a small hit, still way higher than last few years natty and has only been this week. I’m still crazy busy at work, travelling a lot etc so that could also be playing a part. It’s a subtle change though - still breaking hips every chance I get.

Deloading is obviously a bit boring but it feels right. I’ve not used pwo either just to take a short stim back as I intend to finish really strong.

Weight up a bit at 231. If anything a touch leaner looking but there’s been no dramatic drop of water yet (had kinda been hoping for that).

Today life might make me take a rest day, works in the context of deloading so I’ll let it happen.

Enjoy the weekend guys
 
Whisky said:
199 bang on. I’m hoping around 15 lbs is water though (otherwise I got fat real quick at the start lol)
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Very simple solution here...

Side by side pics, do it now while not too late. That way if you choose to clean up a bit while on you don't have to drop calories post cycle when you really don't want to for a couple months.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Very simple solution here...

Side by side pics, do it now while not too late. That way if you choose to clean up a bit while on you don't have to drop calories post cycle when you really don't want to for a couple months.
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Second comment on the thread bro - added mid cycle pics a week or so back. Looked similar (in terms of definition) from week 2 and still do.......
 
Day 78 some light legs stuff, kept reps between 8 and 12 at around 50% of 1 rm. used some exercise variation from my normal program and added pauses etc just to aid some stimulation

Day 79 rest day

Day 80

Back on program today - bored AF de loading but I probably needed it. Life is crazy busy right now (actually having some business issues which isn’t helping but compared to some of the sh1t people go through my life is still really good so I always try to keep that perspective) but time to get back on the train.

Joints 100% notably stiffer, achy etc. Nothing ridiculous but given how good they felt (and the mk, glucosamine, fish oils etc I take daily) it’s clear the winny has kicked in.

Been away so not able to weigh but looking pretty big, probably a touch leaner again as well.

Training was some light squats at 270 for 5

Standing Strict press top set of 5 x 132

Then deads, picked up where I failed last week, put 4 reps up at 473 but the 5th wasn’t there. Didn’t feel battered by it though - definitely got that fcuker next week.

Just going to buckle down now and try to push some intensity as the winny gets going to max out any gains.

Contemplating running either growth or a peptide stack from midway through pct for a bit. Mainly because I’m 100% going to keep calories up over Xmas to hold onto all the lean mass this time but obviously would like to minimise fat gain and cortisol is a concern with sh1t I have going on.

Also thinking (and clearly it’s a much different option) that a vector/follidrone or vector/elixir stack might be a shout (elixir is that new hydrapharm gda).....thoughts on those options welcome.
 
Whisky said:
Day 78 some light legs stuff, kept reps between 8 and 12 at around 50% of 1 rm. used some exercise variation from my normal program and added pauses etc just to aid some stimulation

Day 79 rest day

Day 80

Back on program today - bored AF de loading but I probably needed it. Life is crazy busy right now (actually having some business issues which isn’t helping but compared to some of the sh1t people go through my life is still really good so I always try to keep that perspective) but time to get back on the train.

Joints 100% notably stiffer, achy etc. Nothing ridiculous but given how good they felt (and the mk, glucosamine, fish oils etc I take daily) it’s clear the winny has kicked in.

Been away so not able to weigh but looking pretty big, probably a touch leaner again as well.

Training was some light squats at 270 for 5

Standing Strict press top set of 5 x 132

Then deads, picked up where I failed last week, put 4 reps up at 473 but the 5th wasn’t there. Didn’t feel battered by it though - definitely got that fcuker next week.

Just going to buckle down now and try to push some intensity as the winny gets going to max out any gains.

Contemplating running either growth or a peptide stack from midway through pct for a bit. Mainly because I’m 100% going to keep calories up over Xmas to hold onto all the lean mass this time but obviously would like to minimise fat gain and cortisol is a concern with sh1t I have going on.

Also thinking (and clearly it’s a much different option) that a vector/follidrone or vector/elixir stack might be a shout (elixir is that new hydrapharm gda).....thoughts on those options welcome.
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Ive never tried follidrone or vector, but I do like td laxogenin from iconic formulations. Actually made good gains just running it solo.

Do you have smelling salts for heavy deads? If not, I suggest you get some. I find after inhaling salrs my first one or two reps are fast af and I believe this leaves me with enough energy to pull out the last rep for maximal 5s.
 
Peptides vs natty stack you outlined basically comes down to do you want your fasting blood glucose to get better or worse? The plant anabolics & gda will get you healthier and improve lipids while the peptides will have a greater anabolic effect. Cost could be a factor as well.
 
Whisky said:
Second comment on the thread bro - added mid cycle pics a week or so back. Looked similar (in terms of definition) from week 2 and still do.......
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Ah... OKay, hadn't seen any in the body of the thread, not used to the pics just being in one post for the thread. Will go have a look.
Hyde said:
Peptides vs natty stack you outlined basically comes down to do you want your fasting blood glucose to get better or worse? The plant anabolics & gda will get you healthier and improve lipids while the peptides will have a greater anabolic effect. Cost could be a factor as well.
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I would think a lot of that would also depend on his selection of peptides. I imagine a 2 a day bump from some mod-grf 1-29 and a ghrp, prebed and pre or post workout shouldn't effect his fasting glucose too much compared to things like MK, or DAC which both cause GH bleed. Not saying it wouldn't elevate but I think it would be much less of an issue that way. Plus that combo is much cheaper than running DAC. Although with his ability to put food away I would completely avoid GHRP-6... would probably overeat himself like a shark eating chum!

What do you think? I haven't actually read there would be any difference to fasting BG, just going off of what I "understand" about how it should work. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the constant GH increases via bleed seem to increase IGF-1 levels more.

What are your thoughts there?
 
MrKleen73 said:
Ah... OKay, hadn't seen any in the body of the thread, not used to the pics just being in one post for the thread. Will go have a look.


I would think a lot of that would also depend on his selection of peptides. I imagine a 2 a day bump from some mod-grf 1-29 and a ghrp, prebed and pre or post workout shouldn't effect his fasting glucose too much compared to things like MK, or DAC which both cause GH bleed. Not saying it wouldn't elevate but I think it would be much less of an issue that way. Plus that combo is much cheaper than running DAC. Although with his ability to put food away I would completely avoid GHRP-6... would probably overeat himself like a shark eating chum!

What do you think? I haven't actually read there would be any difference to fasting BG, just going off of what I "understand" about how it should work. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the constant GH increases via bleed seem to increase IGF-1 levels more.

What are your thoughts there?
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Well, to be frank, pinning peptides multiple times a day for how little effect they yield makes no sense to me. Guys sticking themselves 4x a day and you can’t even tell they lift sometimes - for what, really?

There has to be bang for buck. Mk677 is a once-daily pill, and CJC w DAC can be pinned once every 5-6 days and keep serum IGF-1 elevated.

Only way I would be doing daily peptide shots would be for TB500 and such if I needed to heal something - that’s worth the effort.
 
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