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Aggressive Labz DMZ - Jumping off at 3 wks 3 days. (Side effect report.)

Old Witch said:
Yes, BUT, if it's the cycle support I am having a reaction to this will show that. There's a lot of ingredients in arimacare I don't take except for in that product. The fact that I pretty much reversed my recovery by taking it makes me wonder, "wassup with that?"
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I have to take that stuff with food, or it nurns right through my gut like a wildfire.
 
Shiznitzz said:
Good deal, from what I know dmz is a very dry compound, was your **** just old?
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Nope, I just took more DHEA than my body wanted to use correctly, didn't catch it right away. And I'm pretty sure I just happen to also be allergic to something in arimacare pro. The increased water from the DHEA and the histamine from taking arimacare made my hands swell up.

I have never had an experience quite like this. That's why I was pretty sure something was wrong beyond a simple hormonal issue. I've had estrogenic water retention before and it wasn't nearly that uncomfortable.
 
Old Witch said:
So, my hands feel like they're swelling up tonight. BP is up. Feeling like Superdrol at four weeks to be honest. I think this is an old batch of Raws or something they used. 30mg daily split, along with 200mg DHEA split, and 200mg 7 Keto DHEA 3b acetate split. Dint really get the results I wanted, obviously. expected as much. Stuff would just be getting good usually.


If I don't post for awhile is because I'm in the hospital. Had some chest pains earlier. Might just be psychosomatic. Just chilling out for the night watching Jean Claude Van Johnson. I'll go in if I don't feel better in the morning.

THIS IS NOT AT ALL WHAT MY PRIOR EXPERIENCES WITH DMZ HAVE BEEN LIKE.
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Be praying for you man!
 
Rad83 said:
You’re a badass dude, man...Dig your knowledgeable forum presence
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Well, I used to watch a lot of Home Improvement so I guess I have a little Tim Taylor somewhere in my head.

But seriously, Rich Piana said it best when he said you have to do it to find out for yourself what works for you. I thought I'd try something based on other suggestions, that normally I wouldn't do, namely using the DHEA and not running the DMZ solo when I didn't get the test to pin like I had originally planned. Like I said I've used a lot of DHEA in the past. I've used up to 500 mg daily for many weeks before back when they used to think that would somehow make pct easier. Turns out, at least with DMZ in the mix, DHEA is far too estrogenic for me nowadays. couple that with what I am 100% certain was an allergic reaction to something in arimacare... You get this post, in a nutshell.

Some notes about what is and isn't normal or safe to continue unmitigated:

It is not normal for your hands to swell up a whole ring size or more overnight on DMZ. Not for anyone.
It is not normal for water weight from estrogen to be so stiff and painful you cannot make a fist comfortably. This is not the same feeling as a pump

It is not normal to feel the fluid pooling in your hands. Nor should they be throbbing on rest days.

It is not normal to feel like a hammer is pounding in your head with every heartbeat. This is not the same as a headache.

It is not normal to have rapid and immediate swelling upon ingestion of a product and 20 minutes passing.

If you get those side effects, you have likely compounded issues happening. Action has to be taken at that point and it shouldn't be left more than a day.
 
Old Witch said:
Nope, I just took more DHEA than my body wanted to use correctly, didn't catch it right away. And I'm pretty sure I just happen to also be allergic to something in arimacare pro. The increased water from the DHEA and the histamine from taking arimacare made my hands swell up.

I have never had an experience quite like this. That's why I was pretty sure something was wrong beyond a simple hormonal issue. I've had estrogenic water retention before and it wasn't nearly that uncomfortable.
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So...EXTREMELY bad luck! Glad your on point to figure all that out before you had to check into the hospital
 
Glad you're feeling better Old Witch.

Hopefully you dont mind me throwing out some of my own DMZ symptoms. I'm wondering if anyone has some advice. Im two weeks into a solo DMZ run, strength and size has been great. I had a very minor strain in my neck or shoulder earlier this week and then at the end of the day I felt a migraine coming on. That went away, but today (two days later) I woke up with a minor headache that has persisted the entire day. Its accompanied with a real zoned out feeling all day long.

I'm guessing the headache is blood pressure related. I tested myself at a Kroger and it was 138. Im not sure how accurate those free blood pressure cuffs are. Ive been taking Tudca and NAC all cycle, my water intake has been pretty high, maybe too much salt on accident. Anyone have any advice to alleviate these symptoms? If I feel like this for another day or two I'll have to end the cycle. I need to be clear headed and headache free for work.
 
It took a little over a week to start noticing significant weight gain, but I also bumped it up to 45mg (from 30mg) after the first week, so its hard to say. Honestly, i think i would have been better off at a lower dose for longer.

The strength gains though were nearly immediate. By the second or third day I was moving my working weights for extra reps. Weight starting feeling light very quickly. My PRs havent really gone up yet, but Im mostly trying to just fit a lot of volume in my workouts.

The pump is insane as well, I probably dont even need to mention that.
 
Borashi said:
Hey man. I hope everything works out for you. I'm taking aggressive labz mkelite only 15mg a day in PCT for the IGF 1 increase. Sucks that your experiencing sides, does make you wonder what they put in that batch? I do know the stuff I'm taking increased my appetite, but don't have the tingling in the hands like I had on medfitrx Kong, from the MK.
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Your taking dmz in pct?
 
Fork_or_Knife said:
Glad you're feeling better Old Witch.

Hopefully you dont mind me throwing out some of my own DMZ symptoms. I'm wondering if anyone has some advice. Im two weeks into a solo DMZ run, strength and size has been great. I had a very minor strain in my neck or shoulder earlier this week and then at the end of the day I felt a migraine coming on. That went away, but today (two days later) I woke up with a minor headache that has persisted the entire day. Its accompanied with a real zoned out feeling all day long.

I'm guessing the headache is blood pressure related. I tested myself at a Kroger and it was 138. Im not sure how accurate those free blood pressure cuffs are. Ive been taking Tudca and NAC all cycle, my water intake has been pretty high, maybe too much salt on accident. Anyone have any advice to alleviate these symptoms? If I feel like this for another day or two I'll have to end the cycle. I need to be clear headed and headache free for work.
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Aspirin is relatively effective. Particularly low dose aspirin. Otherwise Hawthorne berry extract, Garlic, and beta vulgaris extract are supposed to help as well. Cialis will also lower blood pressure fairly effectively.

If you're not allergic to anything in arimacare pro, it has quite a lot of ingredients in doses effective at helping with blood pressure and cholesterol.
 
Thanks for the suggestions. Does the dull day long headache sound pretty typical of high blood pressure? Im hoping thats all it is.

I had looked into hawthorne berry but it sounded like it took time to build up in your system and i would have needed to start dosing it weeks back. I'll try low dose aspirin for a while I really want to continue this cycle. I feel strong as ****!

On a side note i chugged half a gallon of milk today. I had read that high dose pottassium can sometimes fix a headache. Anyone else heard of that?
 
Fork_or_Knife said:
Thanks for the suggestions. Does the dull day long headache sound pretty typical of high blood pressure? Im hoping thats all it is.

I had looked into hawthorne berry but it sounded like it took time to build up in your system and i would have needed to start dosing it weeks back. I'll try low dose aspirin for a while I really want to continue this cycle. I feel strong as ****!

On a side note i chugged half a gallon of milk today. I had read that high dose pottassium can sometimes fix a headache. Anyone else heard of that?
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Buy the Hawthorn Berry extract and Celery Seed extract, and take them. And stop by and check your blood pressure.
 
.....or better yet.... Arimacare Pro (as Old Witch suggested) or CEL Cycle Assist.
They're both good products.
 
By the way guys, I am actually managing to finish off this bottle. As I have said now several times, the problem was definitely not the DMZ. I will be trying this brand's other designer steroids soon.

Going to try Helblazer next. Super DMZ 3.0 clone.
 
So your a fan of Aggressive Labz? I'm impressed with the mk elite cause they use grapefruit and black pepper to improve absorption. I'm only dosing 15mg but it seems to help me sleep better.
 
Borashi said:
So your a fan of Aggressive Labz? I'm impressed with the mk elite cause they use grapefruit and black pepper to improve absorption. I'm only dosing 15mg but it seems to help me sleep better.
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Well, the DMZ seems legit. So I'm hoping to get a clean run with Hellblazer. I would imagine my BP will be higher than this time, but without my mistakes it will be very productive. I also seem to be highly sensitive to androgens these days, low doses are doing me well. I always go by feel rather than what people say is an effective dosage. If I'm having fantastic training sessions and making solid progression every week, no reason to take more. I think the black pepper (bioperine) and grapefruit (dihydroxybergamottin) are more to make that other stuff they put in there absorb and last longer, though I can tell the DMZ definitely lasts a long time in the system. My preworkout dose is three hours beforehand and it feels like I just took right before I hit the gym. I think the fact they put tudca and NAC in them is good but they ought to tell you how much is in there. If they put in 300mg tudca and 600mg NAC then they could fit the compound in, since it's only a few mgs, and leave the rest of that stuff out of there; it would be perfect.
 
bic said:
Did you take any natty booster when you cycled dmz
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No. I don't really buy into that stuff. The best natural testosterone booster is human chorionic gonadotropin, everything else is... Bunk.

I strongly recommend starting with just the DMZ, NAC, and TUDCA, and adding support as issues make themselves known.
 
Fork_or_Knife said:
If I feel like this for another day or two I'll have to end the cycle. I need to be clear headed and headache free for work.
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Why not first try lowering the dose of the DMZ if the high blood pressure continues and see if that works rather than discontinuing the cycle?
 
Gotta say I can't recommend this to someone with anxiety, especially if they're a weed smoker. As soon as it kicks in I'm edgy as fxck. It can be good though, the mix of AAS and anxious energy, if you hit the gym right away and just murder every machine and weight in the place.
 
Also, for the record: 20mg DMZ daily all at once as a preworkout dose works better than 15mg twice daily, with less sides.

I think this should be adopted as the basic MEP, multiple effective protocol.
 
Old Witch said:
Also, for the record: 20mg DMZ daily all at once as a preworkout dose works better than 15mg twice daily, with less sides.

I think this should be adopted as the basic MEP, multiple effective protocol.
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Wait so you feel 20mg pwo is better than 15mg pwo and 15mg later in the day? Or did you mean 30mg pwo? I'm running DMZ shortly but was planning to split it. I didn't think it had an immediate effect that would work pwo but I'll find out. Doesn't hurt to experiment a few different ways.
 
boooosted said:
Wait so you feel 20mg pwo is better than 15mg pwo and 15mg later in the day? Or did you mean 30mg pwo? I'm running DMZ shortly but was planning to split it. I didn't think it had an immediate effect that would work pwo but I'll find out. Doesn't hurt to experiment a few different ways.
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Would also want to research DMZ’s half life to determine best protocol for dosage frequency.
 
JoePaul39 said:
Would also want to research DMZ’s half life to determine best protocol for dosage frequency.
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I believe its about 12 hours, which is why my first thought would be to split. Anyways at 45mg maybe 30mg pwo, 15mg 12 hours later rather than 15mg 3x/day if it gives you a good boost.
 
boooosted said:
I believe its about 12 hours, which is why my first thought would be to split. Anyways at 45mg maybe 30mg pwo, 15mg 12 hours later rather than 15mg 3x/day if it gives you a good boost.
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Could always take 22.5 mg twice a day by taking one pill and a half if it has a 12 hour life. This could minimize potential blood pressure spikes from taking a 20 mg dose. Are they pills or capsules?
 
boooosted said:
Wait so you feel 20mg pwo is better than 15mg pwo and 15mg later in the day? Or did you mean 30mg pwo? I'm running DMZ shortly but was planning to split it. I didn't think it had an immediate effect that would work pwo but I'll find out. Doesn't hurt to experiment a few different ways.
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It seems to do 90% of its work in the gym and everything it could contribute outside of that would be sides. It doesn't seem to boost recovery very much at all taking a dose between sessions of training. So that's why I say 20mg preworkout only. That's roughly what you get from two 15 mg doses on that second dose, 20mg. Because of the half life being 8-12 hrs, it's still in your system all day anyway.

My experience is that it definitely has an effect that comes on immediately, and gets stronger with daily use.
 
What I'm saying here is basically im still doing 30mg split but in the future I'd rather buy MedfitRX brand DMZ and get 60 20mg tablets, if I'm just going to use DMZ by itself or with test in place of dianabol. The blends aggressive makes, and for the price though, it's a great deal.
 
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