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BEAST73 said:
IKR???
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But for real, if close to this is achievable naturally, that’s quite a goal to set, although they were elite-level bodybuilders, so just like the average person won’t look like Phil no matter what they do, the average natty may never look like Grimek or Reeves, but even being close would be very respectable IMO.

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I feel like Grimek is getting really big here, but this would have been at the VERY beginning of steroid use in the US, if it had even arrived stateside yet, but he doesn’t have monster Delts or traps or anything here, so who knows:
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muscleupcrohn said:
But for real, if close to this is achievable naturally, that’s quite a goal to set, although they were elite-level bodybuilders, so just like the average person won’t look like Phil no matter what they do, the average natty may never look like Grimek or Reeves, but even being close would be very respectable IMO.

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I feel like Grimek is getting really big here, but this would have been at the VERY beginning of steroid use in the US, if it had even arrived stateside yet, but he doesn’t have monster Delts or traps or anything here, so who knows:
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No doubt no one could look like Phil.
However, because of the advancement with ped’s the last 50 years, a 40 year old Dad could potentially look like these guys above without having to quit his job.
Personally, I like looking better than 95% of people I see every day, with only 5 hours a week in the gym and a little discipline with my diet. I’d look like shyt without drugs and I’ll be the first to admit, I’m glad they exist, I’m glad TRT exists, I’m glad there’s so much collective knowledge around here to safely use these drugs and achieve what most couldn’t with a reasonable amount of hard work and consistency.
Obviously I’m downplaying how hard I train but it drives the point home. I see a lot of people in the gym having a grand old time laughing and playing grabass and staring at my shirt drenched top to bottom in sweat, looking like I’m about to puke and/or drop dead. I see their hate and I fcking love it. This guy was telling his kid the other day when he thought my headphones were up loud, “son, that guys on something, at that age,(I’m prematurely grey as hell) he has to be.”
 
Matthersby said:
No doubt no one could look like Phil.
However, because of the advancement with ped’s the last 50 years, a 40 year old Dad could potentially look like these guys above without having to quit his job.
Personally, I like looking better than 95% of people I see every day, with only 5 hours a week in the gym and a little discipline with my diet. I’d look like shyt without drugs and I’ll be the first to admit, I’m glad they exist, I’m glad TRT exists, I’m glad there’s so much collective knowledge around here to safely use these drugs and achieve what most couldn’t with a reasonable amount of hard work and consistency.
Obviously I’m downplaying how hard I train but it drives the point home. I see a lot of people in the gym having a grand old time laughing and playing grabass and staring at my shirt drenched top to bottom in sweat, looking like I’m about to puke and/or drop dead. I see their hate and I fcking love it. This guy was telling his kid the other day when he thought my headphones were up loud, “son, that guys on something, at that age,(I’m prematurely grey as hell) he has to be.”
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A dad in his 40s could have the size of them with steroids, but I’d doubt they’d ever look like them, in regards to the wide lats and small waist/vacuum, etc. They were elite for a reason, but I get what you’re saying.
 
christ83189 said:
Yeah it doesnt to me either i just really cant understand why its so hard to believe that that could be done naturally. Im going to disagree with you though and say that i believe anyone can look damn good natty if they nail training and diet. I just literally cant make myself believe that its just impossible for some peopme to get in shape. Given the determination and knowledge and diet and training i think anyone can do it. Most people are just lacking in one of those areas or just dont have a reason to try it. I see that one alot too.
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Looking like that at 225 is the hard part
 
Hard to tell their making $ though my girls brother is big on Instagram and when he gets say 400k followers he sells the page for 10k crazy
 
Country said:
Hard to tell their making $ though my girls brother is big on Instagram and when he gets say 400k followers he sells the page for 10k crazy
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What, like one post for 10k for product placement?? Or is his whole IG account worth 10k?
 
Country said:
He sells his pages to advertising companies hes dumb as a rock pisses me off lol hes sold 6 pages sofar
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Fitness pages? What do the companies do with them? If the pages rely on pics of him, then they’d die without him, no? Or does he just make general or fitness pages that don’t rely on his actual image/persona, so someone new can come in and take them over easily?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Fitness pages? What do the companies do with them? If the pages rely on pics of him, then they’d die without him, no? Or does he just make general or fitness pages that don’t rely on his actual image/persona, so someone new can come in and take them over easily?
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He does just thst but not only fitness pages
 
LOL

Also 10k for 400k followers... That's a lot of time and effort for only 10k. No way I would work that much for only 10k...
 
"The History of Steroids in Bodybuilding"

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Very good analysis of the subject by Casey Butt. Here are some of the highlights:

"Periodically on the various internet bodybuilding forums someone makes a completely baseless statement about steroid use, when it started, and who was using them back in the 'old days'...All reliable sources...indicate that experimentation with testosterone for athletic purposes began in the U.S. sometime in either late 1954 or 1955.

no bodybuilder or lifter was using synthetic steroids before 1956 - they didn't exist. Most likely, only the very highest level West Coast bodybuilders knew of them by 1958....As for testosterone itself, Paul de Kruif's 1945 book "The Male Hormone" is often cited as "proof" that bodybuilders knew of and were using testosterone in the 1940s. But even though testosterone had been identified by researchers and isolated in laboratory settings as early as the 1930s, it didn't receive FDA approval as a prescription drug until 1950 and, therefore, injectable testosterone was produced only sporadically and in small batches for research purposes,

For a western bodybuilder or lifter to be using testosterone before late 1954/1955 he would had to have known more about the biochemistry of testosterone and it's potential athletic effects than any western sports physician - and have had access to what was then a relatively rarely used prescription drug.

For these reasons it can be stated with near certainty that Steve Reeves, Clancy Ross, John Grimek, Jack Delinger, Reg Park, John Farbotnik, George Eiferman, etc - who all won major physique titles before the Soviets began using testosterone and before synthetic steroids were introduced in 1956 - were not using bioavailable testosterone or synthetic steroids at the time of their Mr. America, Mr. USA and Mr. Universe wins. Furthermore, it is unlikely that any major title winner was a steroid user before 1957-58"
 
johnl1800 said:
"The History of Steroids in Bodybuilding"

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Very good analysis of the subject by Casey Butt. Here are some of the highlights:

"Periodically on the various internet bodybuilding forums someone makes a completely baseless statement about steroid use, when it started, and who was using them back in the 'old days'...All reliable sources...indicate that experimentation with testosterone for athletic purposes began in the U.S. sometime in either late 1954 or 1955.

no bodybuilder or lifter was using synthetic steroids before 1956 - they didn't exist. Most likely, only the very highest level West Coast bodybuilders knew of them by 1958....As for testosterone itself, Paul de Kruif's 1945 book "The Male Hormone" is often cited as "proof" that bodybuilders knew of and were using testosterone in the 1940s. But even though testosterone had been identified by researchers and isolated in laboratory settings as early as the 1930s, it didn't receive FDA approval as a prescription drug until 1950 and, therefore, injectable testosterone was produced only sporadically and in small batches for research purposes,

For a western bodybuilder or lifter to be using testosterone before late 1954/1955 he would had to have known more about the biochemistry of testosterone and it's potential athletic effects than any western sports physician - and have had access to what was then a relatively rarely used prescription drug.

For these reasons it can be stated with near certainty that Steve Reeves, Clancy Ross, John Grimek, Jack Delinger, Reg Park, John Farbotnik, George Eiferman, etc - who all won major physique titles before the Soviets began using testosterone and before synthetic steroids were introduced in 1956 - were not using bioavailable testosterone or synthetic steroids at the time of their Mr. America, Mr. USA and Mr. Universe wins. Furthermore, it is unlikely that any major title winner was a steroid user before 1957-58"
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Yep, that’s pretty much exactly what I said earlier based on the academic papers. 1954 is often cited as the year testosterone made it to the US, and the only date/story/origin with any explanation/names involved, with things like Diababol not existing prior to 1956-58. Some academic sources say a few bodybuilders in the West Coast may have experimented with it in the late 40s to early 50s, but this isn’t supported with any dates or names or where they got the idea from, and 1954 is the overwhelming consensus for when it arrived in the US, and it’s unlikely anyone before that used steroids in the US, and likely not regularly.

Some pretty solid physiques for nattys!
 
Jinsun said:
Was thinking the other day... Lots of fitness youtuber's look like they are on cycle year round. Jujimufu, Calum, Bradley Martin, Kali, Jeff Cavalier, and all other fu*k boyz that shoot videos on a daily...

What do you guys think? Just very high trt or basically on cycle most of the time...? I think I would cycle between aas and peptides if I was on display all the time like that.
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I think its a spectrum. Most of them are probably on trt. Jeff cavalier looks like he hasn't grown significantly in a while. Hes probably the most likely to be natty. Same thing with scott Herman.

I don't know what they do in their personal lives but I could care less as long as they are delivering some sort of knowledge that can help new lifters and some sort of entertainment value.

Its the same thing with the rock spouting his constant inspirational speeches. It's great information but hes obviously using gear.
 
pyrobatt said:
I think its a spectrum. Most of them are probably on trt. Jeff cavalier looks like he hasn't grown significantly in a while. Hes probably the most likely to be natty. Same thing with scott Herman.

I don't know what they do in their personal lives but I could care less as long as they are delivering some sort of knowledge that can help new lifters and some sort of entertainment value.

Its the same thing with the rock spouting his constant inspirational speeches. It's great information but hes obviously using gear.
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Has the Rock ever actually claimed to be natty though? I don’t care/mind if a celebrity/YouTuber uses gear, only if they claim to be natty and then leverage that to bolster their reputation and/or sell plans/etc. To me it’s not so much the use that is bad, but the actively lying about it. If you’re on and don’t want to admit it, just don’t mention it at all; don’t actively go out of your way to lie about it, you know?
 
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Has the Rock ever actually claimed to be natty though? I don’t care/mind if a celebrity/YouTuber uses gear, only if they claim to be natty and then leverage that to bolster their reputation and/or sell plans/etc. To me it’s not so much the use that is bad, but the actively lying about it. If you’re on and don’t want to admit it, just don’t mention it at all; don’t actively go out of your way to lie about it, you know?
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I think that has more to do with the industry hes(the rock) in but hes admitted to taking steroids when he was 18 and "nothing happened" so he stopped.
Of course he can't admit to it ever due to his partnership with disney, underarrmor, ect ect

I'm sure he grows while in a seemingly constant sleep deficit, 12 hr shooting schedules and constant traveling by just eating clean....

Of course I'm sure it has to do with legality as well. As long as he keeps coming with episodes of ballers I'm fine where hes at.

I do however agree that selling plans while you are eating anabolic chicken is a bit much. I get it, could never be that slimy. Just feels gross, ya know? My favorite is the booty building plans on instagram by chicks who actually squat heavy but end up telling people to do the opposite.
 
There was as scene in Ballers (an HBO show) where the Rock's character went to see a fertility doctor... the doctor said to him that he should also stop "cycling" if he wants to have a better chance of having kids. The Rock played kt stupid and said "what? I don't cycle" (as in cycling with a bicycle). And the scene ended with him saying that. The way it was structured (narrative vise) and the way he acted it out, it was clear that this was Dwayne Johnsons way of admitting to using gear. A cery creative way of admitting it and also legaly totally a o.k.
 
Jinsun said:
There was as scene in Ballers (an HBO show) where the Rock's character went to see a fertility doctor... the doctor said to him that he should also stop "cycling" if he wants to have a better chance of having kids. The Rock played kt stupid and said "what? I don't cycle" (as in cycling with a bicycle). And the scene ended with him saying that. The way it was structured (narrative vise) and the way he acted it out, it was clear that this was Dwayne Johnsons way of admitting to using gear. A cery creative way of admitting it and also legaly totally a o.k.
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Na I reckon he just eats a lot of beef.....lol
 
Whisky said:
Na I reckon he just eats a lot of beef.....lol
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I would bet my only 2 children’s souls. I don’t have a small shred of doubt.

One time on that Spike channel’s Man Awards. The Rock won Man of the Year and beat out Mark Whalberg(who claimed he did not use to put on 50lbs for Pain and Gain) They are close friends. Mark won another award for a movie later, to which he publicly said “So I lost to The Rock? How bout we take a drug test right now!” And Dwayne literally laughed and shook his head No. anyone that’s close enough to him and he trusts knows he does I’m pretty certain.
 
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I would bet my only 2 children’s souls. I don’t have a small shred of doubt.

One time on that Spike channel’s Man Awards. The Rock won Man of the Year and beat out Mark Whalberg(who claimed he did not use to put on 50lbs for Pain and Gain) They are close friends. Mark won another award for a movie later, to which he publicly said “So I lost to The Rock? How bout we take a drug test right now!” And Dwayne literally laughed and shook his head No. anyone that’s close enough to him and he trusts knows he does I’m pretty certain.
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I was only joking bro, absolutely 100% he uses. Even the beef crusader AlexPowell would probably agree beef can’t do that....
 
Whisky said:
I was only joking bro, absolutely 100% he uses. Even the beef crusader AlexPowell would probably agree beef can’t do that....
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I knew you were joking brotha, I was piggybacking your comment from the original Rock post. I actually spent a good amount of time trying to decide if Whalberg did for Pain and Gain, I know some wouldn’t agree, but I sincerely believe he doesn’t and hasn’t used anything. Maybe back in his Calvin Klein days I dunno but not for that movie. That looks like a trainer assisted monster natty bulk
 
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I knew you were joking brotha, I was piggybacking your comment from the original Rock post. I actually spent a good amount of time trying to decide if Whalberg did for Pain and Gain, I know some wouldn’t agree, but I sincerely believe he doesn’t and hasn’t used anything. Maybe back in his Calvin Klein days I dunno but not for that movie. That looks like a trainer assisted monster natty bulk
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Maybe some PH back in his Calvin Klein days
 
Jinsun said:
LOL at this thread becoming a Jeff Cavalier natty discussion.

Oh well, I'll join in...
U call this natty?? :

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This is high dose trt. Off course he is on trt, who isn't?? His whole career depends on him looking like that, so he is probably on more then just trt...

Juts look at how he continued to get bigger as the athleanx channel grew.
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Jeff Cavaliere’s Official Height, Weight, Body Fat (REVEALED!)

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5' 10.5", 173lbs. claims to be 5.8% body fat all year round. While he's not that big I still don't buy that a 43 year old man, no matter how good his genetics are and how dedicated he is to his diet and training, can maintain that level of body fat year round without a little help. If he's in fact at a legit 5.8% body fat year round as he claims, and at 43 years old no less, sorry I'm a little skeptical.
 
Yeah. GNC had Superdrol behind the glass case back in mid 00s. I remember thinking what is that? A ton of hype on it back in the day.
 
Borashi said:
Yeah. GNC had Superdrol behind the glass case back in mid 00s. I remember thinking what is that? A ton of hype on it back in the day.
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GNC had a lot of stuff, and what they didn't have, the smaller more hardcore shop so add.VPX 1-T estered injectables etc... There was decanoated something or other. **** was crazy. 4ad came in all kind of estered forms at one point.

In about 2003-2004 you could walk into GNC and walk out with enough "test" (4ad esters etc.) and other anabolics to stay on year round, and do a contest prep even.
 
Vitamin Shoppe glass case. They used to have a lot of PHs/Steroids back in the day.
:-)
 
Now fast forward to today and you can’t ****! It really is a shame eventually we all will have to turn to the black market. There won’t even be sarms or dhea isomers probably. “Well ok America you wanna play rough! Ok I play with you! Say hello to my little friend! Lol
 
I knew Jon Call (Jujimufu) back when he was a teenager and given his personality he'd definitely be a b&c or year round guy. I think he was about 180-200 when he first used gear and pretty much maxed out his natty limit due to ecto genes.
 
Old Witch said:
GNC had a lot of stuff, and what they didn't have, the smaller more hardcore shop so add.VPX 1-T estered injectables etc... There was decanoated something or other. **** was crazy. 4ad came in all kind of estered forms at one point.

In about 2003-2004 you could walk into GNC and walk out with enough "test" (4ad esters etc.) and other anabolics to stay on year round, and do a contest prep even.
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Every time this comes up I get a little heart broken. There was sooo much stuff to run...I'd plan 6 cycles down the road all different compounds and all sold otc. I remember when everyone was trying to get rid of their M1T because of the imminent ban and you could buy bottles of the stuff for $15. I had such a big stash after that time - I was a fool for selling all of it.
 
bigbeaph said:
Every time this comes up I get a little heart broken. There was sooo much stuff to run...I'd plan 6 cycles down the road all different compounds and all sold otc. I remember when everyone was trying to get rid of their M1T because of the imminent ban and you could buy bottles of the stuff for $15. I had such a big stash after that time - I was a fool for selling all of it.
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Just finished my M1T couple weeks ago. Damn that stuff makes you blow up!
 
Hyde said:
Just finished my M1T couple weeks ago. Damn that stuff makes you blow up!
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I don't think there is a stronger steroid for packing on hard, dense muscle tissue in such a short time. Being that it's 1-T it's insanely anabolic and increases MPS so drastically you can't help but gain solid tissue, and then 17a methylation forces extreme muscle glycogen retention... It's a magickal recipe for getting big fast, and keeping much more of it than something like Superdrol. One of my all time favorite orals. Top 3 for sure.
 
Woof, I just had a thought. SD and M1T 10/10 then up to 15/15, with Trest Ace TD 100mg EOD... Probably would be scary good, but also probably going to land a guy on trt. Maybe take half a tab of torem with it? Not sure, because SD has estrogen and progesterone receptor blocking ability, being that it's a 2-methyl DHT. Would probably need to worry about rebound after.

Just thinking in text...
 
Old Witch said:
Woof, I just had a thought. SD and M1T 10/10 then up to 15/15, with Trest Ace TD 100mg EOD... Probably would be scary good, but also probably going to land a guy on trt. Maybe take half a tab of torem with it? Not sure, because SD has estrogen and progesterone receptor blocking ability, being that it's a 2-methyl DHT. Would probably need to worry about rebound after.

Just thinking in text...
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Lmao......35lbs in 3 weeks...80 lbs on your presses
 
bigbeaph said:
Lmao......35lbs in 3 weeks...80 lbs on your presses
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I found out they used to have something out called Halotest-10, and it was SD and M1T stacked 10/10

Apparently they figured it was pretty strong, since they named it after probably the "strongest" and most toxic of all steroids. I'd buy it.
 
Old Witch said:
I found out they used to have something out called Halotest-10, and it was SD and M1T stacked 10/10

Apparently they figured it was pretty strong, since they named it after probably the "strongest" and most toxic of all steroids. I'd buy it.
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Just insane. Love to try that someday. Probably will...I just remember even running m1t for 2 weeks would give tremendous results.....just 2 weeks. Surprised it's not more available via pred and the "grey" market companies...rock labs etc.
 
bigbeaph said:
Just insane. Love to try that someday. Probably will...I just remember even running m1t for 2 weeks would give tremendous results.....just 2 weeks. Surprised it's not more available via pred and the "grey" market companies...rock labs etc.
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It's out there... Advanced Pharma makes an M1T product, anabolic edge makes one, a couple of others out there as well.
 
Old Witch said:
Woof, I just had a thought. SD and M1T 10/10 then up to 15/15, with Trest Ace TD 100mg EOD... Probably would be scary good, but also probably going to land a guy on trt. Maybe take half a tab of torem with it? Not sure, because SD has estrogen and progesterone receptor blocking ability, being that it's a 2-methyl DHT. Would probably need to worry about rebound after.

Just thinking in text...
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LOL.
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I’m reviving this. We talked about Jeff Cavalier more than enough but there are some guys claiming natty out there that I think are probably telling the truth, but of course there’s always room for speculation in this era of fitness.

So do you believe that these guys are actually natty?
- Omar Isuf
-Jeff Nipard
- Alan Thrall
- Alpha Destiny (Alex Leonidas)
- Mike O’Hearn (JUST KIDDING!)

Feel free to pick and choose who you want to talk about. I’m interested to know if you believe these guys.
 
Alan Thrall without a doubt is natty. He looks extremely natty. You’d never know he’s even as strong as he is just walking past him, and his numbers are very believable targets for an average height/frame male with a decade of hard training behind him.
 
YoungThor said:
I’m reviving this. We talked about Jeff Cavalier more than enough but there are some guys claiming natty out there that I think are probably telling the truth, but of course there’s always room for speculation in this era of fitness.

So do you believe that these guys are actually natty?
- Omar Isuf
-Jeff Nipard
- Alan Thrall
- Alpha Destiny (Alex Leonidas)
- Mike O’Hearn (JUST KIDDING!)

Feel free to pick and choose who you want to talk about. I’m interested to know if you believe these guys.
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I agree. Leave mike ohearn off the list. Hes clearly a hard working natty and I wish you would all just leave him alone. Did you see the post the other day where someone found a video where cavalier said to run trt dose with some tren to get ripped...lmao
 
YoungThor said:
And do you guys think Mike O’Hearn cruises on tren? Seriously, his cruise can’t just be testosterone.
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Maybe a good amount of mast? I'd think after a few months anyone would have to tap out on the tren??
 
Hyde said:
Alan Thrall without a doubt is natty. He looks extremely natty. You’d never know he’s even as strong as he is just walking past him, and his numbers are very believable targets for an average height/frame male with a decade of hard training behind him.
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I totally agree on that one. He’s about 6’2, 230lbs and somewhere around 22% body fat. His abs show a little bit but that’s because he carries more body fat in his legs and glutes compared to an average man. And he’s super strong but in a believable way. I think Omar Isuf is natty also but I don’t know about Jeff Nipard and I don’t believe the Alpha Destiny guy. His traps and neck grow a few inches and then shrink a few inches too often, which makes it look like he cycles.
 
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