Trenbolone or high protein caused permanent kidney damage

fueledpassion said:
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Here is a bunch of benefits but of course everyone lists all the successful clinical trials then turn around and say "insufficient evidence for treatment of..." as a Cover-Your-@$$ with the FDA labeling laws - supplements are not allowed to say they can treat or cure any illnesses because the FDA has legally defined that as being a drug to be controlled.

Imagine that.

Buy the Astragalus and get better. It's like $5 for 2 weeks of use @ 5-6g/day.
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Does the extract work just as good or do you have to buy the straight powder capsules. I've seen some extract 2 grams per cap.
 
ill dose the Cordyceps at 6 grams and the astragalus at 6. Along with Kidneystuff.

the kidney stuff did nothing but maybe it takes longer once I'm off cycle to be effective.

blood work in 4 weeks just using 150 trt dose..

see what we get...
 
I'm really interested to see what this does for you. It seems like once you get out of the jaded medical community (not saying everyone there is jaded, just as a whole) there is usually a good fix to things. Good luck DE
 
Chados said:
800mg of tren is extremely high.. It's so high that I can't see anyone else than a guy like Ronnie Coleman really benefit from it. I mean anyone with a decent amount of muscles will grow like weed at 400 just by eating rice and chicken 2 times a day and have a good calorie intake.
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I know you said a guy like Ronnie, but if old Ronnie took 800mg Tren he would probably wind up in the ER
 
Chados said:
3g gram gear is a lot and using test only at 3g is quite crazy cause they surely added a few things on the side
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Lots of other things would have been used, but at the high-end of the sport to cushion the joints from damage.
 
Godstrength said:
Does the extract work just as good or do you have to buy the straight powder capsules. I've seen some extract 2 grams per cap.
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I think your bottle label is misleading. They can't put 2000mg per caps. this is probably 500mg of a 4:1 extract per cap and they count it as 2000mg of extract. I don't see how they can put 2000mg in one cap.
 
Rostam said:
I think your bottle label is misleading. They can't put 2000mg per caps. this is probably 500mg of a 4:1 extract per cap and they count it as 2000mg of extract. I don't see how they can put 2000mg in one cap.
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Yes you are correct... It states that on the back of the bottle
 
Newth said:
Lots of other things would have been used, but at the high-end of the sport to cushion the joints from damage.
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Yeah.. It's quite amazing how worried people are on forums with steroids, which is really good btw but when reading drug forums it's completely different haha.. Nothing is dangerous yet steroids have far less deaths, not to mention it has an healthier lifestyle for most. I'm not a druggie myself, neither do I have an account there but I do read a lot of stuff when I'm bored. People are taking benzo and alcohol and here we are afraid of taking Deca. At least it's something positive
 
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My kidney function has gotten worse not better based on these labs.

The herbal formulas of cordyceps, Arginine and astragalus has done nothing. nor has kidneystuff..

eating about .5 -.7 grams of protein per pound and working out but not really that intense.

So now I'm going to stop all the herbal supplements.


my trt dose was down as well but that hasn't made a difference.


I have lost about 20 lb from a few months ago. I have no water weight . no ankle swelling....

I'm definitely the most leanest I've been.
I guess the creatinine is a little higher because I'm a little leaner???

My primary physician lab note said my "kidney function remained a little abnormal" now that could be positive that he considers it a little abnormal.. based on my GFR I'm closer to stage 4 kidney disease which is scary obviously..


Follow up with nephrology in December.

The only positive result in all of this was the Statin C Test which says my kidneys are filtering normal..

I'm going to get another lab in a month or so see what it is without taking any of these supplements..
 
Your gfr is what’s slightly concerning. I feel like stage 4 is a bit of a stretch. I’m very sorry this isn’t going well for you.
Have you completed any MRI’s or ultrasounds? This isn’t making sense in regards to aas use. This seems like some existing condition ckd, pkd, ibuprofen damage, something that actually is significant to kidney damage, since aas is practically unheard of in chronic kidney disease circles.
 
Matthersby said:
Your gfr is what’s slightly concerning. I feel like stage 4 is a bit of a stretch. I’m very sorry this isn’t going well for you.
Have you completed any MRI’s or ultrasounds? This isn’t making sense in regards to aas use. This seems like some existing condition ckd, pkd, ibuprofen damage, something that actually is significant to kidney damage, since aas is practically unheard of in chronic kidney disease circles.
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I think you nailed it. I have CKD. So two years of intense weight training and higher protein intake has led to progression of my CKD....

it is what it is...

How can I know 100% sure that this was not all related to increase in lean body mass?

Stop lifting weights for 6 months or more.....low protein diet . Moderate cardio to stay healthy...

And purposely lose a lot of this muscle...

And have some blood tests see what they come out at.... If my creatinine goes back substantially. well then we will know that my lean mass was the culprit not progression of my CKD....

I will post what my nephrologist tells me when I go in...

Tonight I went to go to the gym to do a workout and I just can't mentally do it.

I'm literally thinking that these weights are damaging my kidneys ......I'm not in a mental state to be lifting weights ...

I need to just take a LONG break from all this and re group...

Might have to find another Hobby...

thanks for your input
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Matthersby said:
Your gfr is what’s slightly concerning. I feel like stage 4 is a bit of a stretch. I’m very sorry this isn’t going well for you.
Have you completed any MRI’s or ultrasounds? This isn’t making sense in regards to aas use. This seems like some existing condition ckd, pkd, ibuprofen damage, something that actually is significant to kidney damage, since aas is practically unheard of in chronic kidney disease circles.
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Sorry I forgot to add this last fall my nephrologist did an ultrasound and it was normal....

I'm going to ask them to do a barrage of every test you can possibly do including an MRI and show me the physical evidence that I have 50% kidney function!!
 
Davidelsons said:
Sorry I forgot to add this last fall my nephrologist did an ultrasound and it was normal....

I'm going to ask them to do a barrage of every test you can possibly do including an MRI and show me the physical evidence that I have 50% kidney function!!
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I’m sorry man.
 
As of yesterday I'm on a nephrologist definition of a low protein diet which is about 40 grams per day..

Also dropping TRT down to 100 or even 50 a week. Or even 0 for a week or two

October 2nd is my apt.

In summary after reading and processing all of this I think it's pretty apparent to me.

CKD+TEST+TREN+350 grams protein+increased lean mass= Permanent Creatinine increase.

CKD being the real factor.... too many Bro's use gear eat lot of protein and don't have their kidneys going out of control like this.
my kidney function should have gone back down this past 2 months with low protein and trt dose only but it has not.
 
Had my phone consultation with Todd Lee MD!

In summary: I do not have kidney disease..
there's nothing wrong with my kidneys. Continue eat one gram of protein per pound of body weight and keep going to the gym. My elevated creatinine is just a function of my elevated lean body mass.
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He is very salty if you know what I mean. It was hard to get a word in.
he's very passionate but I could see he would be very difficult to work with but I think he cares about his guys.

Many would consider him to be obnoxious rude condescending blah blah..

But I knew that going in that he had that type of personality.

His opinion: I was taking way too much Tren. At first he was saying Tren is the most nephron toxic of all compounds and it could have given me Permanent kidney damage.

He never takes more than 75 of Tren EOD. He says take 250 mg of testosterone anything less than that don't bother and you don't need more than that. He's a big anavar and deca believer.

Also he was telling me to sign up for a year of his coaching throughout the whole conversation. But thats fine..

So the beginning I think he tried to scare me and ranting and raving about doctors don't know anything and I'm going to kill myself if I don't have a professional coach like him etc..

When I told him I'm just an average Joe and I'm never going to compete...
He calmed down and said go to the gym, workout, eat one gram of protein per lb.

my creatinine level is higher because I have higher lean body mass IE red meat!

He went on many long rants about women drs and steroids and hates all doctors hates all forums...

in the end I'm glad I had the call makes me feel better but I shouldn't have had that much Tren and for someone like me it's probably not worth using higher toxicity compounds.....

Just testosterone and maybe some anavar...etc...


Dave Palumbo will do a phone consult for $150 where Todd Lee was only 50 bucks for 30 minutes.

But I'm content with what I've learned and it can take 20 weeks for this Trenbolone to get out of my system and my kidneys might have been more sensitive.... some of the pollutants or other chemicals used in the UGL tren...can cause damage..
 
Happy to hear your good news!
 
Had final Nephrology visit with full blood work and 24 hour creatinine clearance test.

Bottom line: Trenbolone cycle did not cause any kidney damage whatsoever.

My higher protein intake and increase in lean body mass is reason for elevated creatinine.

In summary I have relatively normal kidney function.

.. I just have high normal creatinine as my starting base which is not kidney disease.... .
 
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