SFreed
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I don't think I would find anything enjoyable about shaking the entire time I was on something. But that's just me.
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I don't think I would find anything enjoyable about shaking the entire time I was on something. But that's just me.
hairygrandpa
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But shaking is useful. Tooth brushing, wanking, mixing whey shakes... see?
Whisky
Well-known member
It’s enjoyable in a weird way, like I know it’s doing it’s thing which I like and aside from when I spilled coffee in a business meeting it’s not causing any issues.
HIT4ME
Well-known member
Haha, yeah, that's it. I couldn't remember.
As far as the cool sculpting, it is also expensive for what you get. But you can just use ice packs on your tshirt at night too. Yellow powder and ice packs on your fat go well together.
Yeah - people need to remember too that half life is HALF life and not elimination time. Stuff can take much longer to clear system entirely. There are also often metabolites that drug tests look for that may not clear for weeks.
rtmilburn
Well-known member
Cool sculpting is a bit different than that. It's cold but ultrasound waves which the combo causes the cell membrane to rupture. It's way better than ice bath or ice packs.
Rocket3015
Legend
I had this saved on my home PC, not sure of the author ??
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One of the first articles I ever wrote which was widely circulated was about Clenbuterol. I wrote it partially to clear up some misconceptions about the drug, and partially because I got tired of answering the same questions over and over. Several years later, that article has been circulated on almost every anabolic steroid discussion board on the internet, and those boards who haven’t actually reposted the article still regularly discuss one of the concepts pioneered in the article…namely the use of Benadryl with Clenbuterol.
Now, its several years later, and I’ve mostly abandoned Clen for my own personal use, and actually recommend Albuterol (Salbutamol) as a much better alternative. Albuterol is a (relatively) selective beta-2 adrenoreceptor agonist, just like Clenbuterol. Honestly, I had pretty much given up on Clen a couple of years ago because for my own personal reasons (I had experienced much better results with Ephedrine and Caffeine). Then, a couple of weeks ago, I tried my first bottle of Albuterol, mostly out of curiosity…and wow! I like it much more than Clenbuterol. I mentioned this fact to my research assistant, and she told me that a lot of figure competitors also prefer Albuterol over Clenbuterol. I had no idea about that, but based on the effects I had with Albuterol I can see why. Clen is simply too harsh on most people; they get too jittery, too shaky, and too anxious. It’s a lot to go through to burn some fat.
But in my own personal experience, Albuterol produces a much “cleaner” type of stimulant effect than Clenbuterol. I don’t know how to really describe this other than to say that the “Clen-shakes” just aren’t as bad with Albuterol…in addition, I’m able to focus better on my work when I use Albuterol, while with Clen I’m stimulated but not really focused.
But even though Albuterol produces a much cleaner stimulant-type feeling in most people, the main question is “How well does it burn fat”? As far as fat-burning stimulants go, how does it stack up to Clenbuterol? Lets face it, most people are really only concerned with the end results, right? Well, at least in me and the people I’ve worked with, Albuterol seems to produce significantly better results than Clen in terms of fat burning effects…and it produces them just a bit more quickly too. This makes sense, if you think about it. Albuterol is often thought of as a “shorter acting” version of Clen…and, to draw an analogy, when we look at the steroids which are shorter acting versions (think about comparing something like Testosterone Propionate vs./ Cypionate, or NPP vs./ Deca)- they typically produce more dramatic results a bit quicker than their long acting cousins. I’m finding the same thing to be true with Albuterol. When we take a look at a medical study!
examining Clenbuterol vs. a beta-2 agonist which has an even longer half life (“Salmeterol”), we see that Clen out performs it in terms of anabolic effects (1). So I think it would only be logical to assume that something that was a shorter acting beta-2 agonist than Clen would likely outperform it, right?
Let me just restate that, to make sure we’re all on the same page, ok? Clenbuterol outperforms longer acting beta-2 agonists, in terms of anabolic effects. Albuterol is a beta-2 agonist with a shorter acting effect than Clenbuterol. Therefore, it’s only logical that Albuterol is going to be more anabolic than Clen, right? Ok, let’s move on…
To understand how Albuterol works, first we need to take a look at the Beta adrenergic system. This system is comprised of something called adrenoreceptors, and the most well known (to bodybuilders anyway) of the adrenoreceptors are the beta receptors. Beta receptors are embedded in the cell's outer phospholipid membrane, and are stimulated by all the really popular stimulants…ephedrine, Clenbuterol, etc... These receptors can further be divided into three subtypes: 1, 2, & 3, (of which we are primarily concerned with type-2, because the type-3 variety seems to primarily be less relevant in humans than in other animals, and because Albuterol doesn’t stimulate the type-1 receptor). There also exists a type of receptor known as an alpha receptor, which isn’t relevant here, but warrants a brief explanation.
Alpha receptors differ from beta receptors in that they are activated at significantly lower catecholamine levels than are the beta receptors. A catecholamine is simply an organic compound that affects the sympathetic nervous system. For example, dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine are all catecholamines.
We are, as I said previously, mostly concerned with Beta-2 receptors, because those are what we see stimulated with Albuterol. It should come as no surprise to anyone who has used Clenbuterol as well as Albuterol is that when you stimulate your beta receptors, it causes something called vasodilatation (increased blood flow). Stimulation of these receptors also stimulates the break down of fatty acids into the blood stream for use as fuel, which causes a reduction in stored fat. Of course, this increased blood flow also comes with an increased heart rate.
This explains how Beta-2 adrenergic stimulation can also increase your body temperature a bit…however this isn’t something that’s too noticeable on a thermometer…most people will feel a bit hotter, and some will even break a sweat (I fall into the latter category). Beta-agonists work to do this by increasing heat production in the cell’s powerhouse, the mitochondria, which will also increase your basal metabolic rate, and decrease your appetite. Not too many people feel hungry after a whopping dose of stimulants.
There is also some evidence that Beta-Agonists are anabolic (more properly, however, this would actually be anti-catabolic). This is because Beta-agonists also act to initiate a hormonal cascade that involves the activation of a compound called cAMP (basically: cyclic-Adenosine Monophosphate). After this, cAMP activates calpistatin that is the inhibitor of calpain. Calpain works to degrade protein in skeletal muscle (among other functions). Therefore, we already saw that how stimulation of beta 2 receptors have the ability to increase energy expenditure and free up body fat to be used as fuel, and now we have some understanding of how that stimulation can also have the potential to be anti-catabolic as well .
Now that we’re all on the same page regarding the beta-adregenic system, and what sorts of effects we can expect when we stimulate it with beta-2 agonists…lets take a more specific look at Albuterol, and why I think it’s such a great compound.
When we take a look at Albuterol’s ability to burn fat, it’s clear that it has the ability to aid fat loss in both normal as well as obese men (2). That’s not very different from Clenbuterol, in any way. However, in my personal experience with it, I think that Albuterol really outperforms Clen in areas of strength gains as well as for athletic purposes….lets take a look at my claim and see how Albuterol performs in humans…
In one study, subjects were given Albuterol and performed 9 weeks of isokinetic knee extensions (there was also a group who performed the same exercise routine but were not given Albuterol). The Albuterol group, predictably, had better strength gains than the non-Albuterol group (only a therapeutic dose was given) (3). In my own experience, strength gains with Albuterol are much better and seen more quickly than I see them with Clen. In fact, while I don’t particularly experience much of a performance enhancing effect from Clen in the gym; on the other hand I see strength gains and muscular improvements within the first couple weeks of using Albuterol. Of course, this is likely a pure anabolic effect and probably not easily explained as a simple “enhanced” anti-catabolic effect, and likely can’t be explained away with the Calpain idea you read about earlier. I still think that I can take a pretty good shot at explaining why Albuterol is anabolic, though. strong bo!
dy of evidence exists to suggest that Albuterol influences the release of cAMP. As you may know, cAMP also plays an important role in mediating certain catecholamines secreted by the adrenal medulla have an inhibitory effect on muscle dependent protein degradation, but in addition, norepinephrine released from adrenergic terminals may actually increase the rate of protein synthesis(not just decrease the rate of their degradation) in oxidative muscles, thereby leading to increased protein accretion (representing a true anabolic effect). That’s most likely the way that we receive part of the anabolic effect from Beta-stimulation. Another way is perhaps through the beta-adrenergic stimulated lowering of “Interleukin-6” from fat cells (long story…).
Anecdotally, Clenbuterol and ephedrine have both shown themselves capable of temporarily increasing strength, and I would bet most beta-agonists have this effect, but I don’t think has been shown as conclusively in the medical literature as it has been with Albuterol. Albuterol has been shown to increase muscle size (3-6) as well as strength and endurance (3) (*while people have anecdotally reported that Clen seems to lower their aerobic capacity. Clenbuterol has a disadvantage when compared with Albuterol in the area of strength gains, probably due to the act that it use-dependently inhibits action potential firing in skeletal muscle fibers, which is not directly caused by inherent Beta-2 stimulant activities (7) . I think that’s the best quasi-scientific explanation I Again, my own personal experience and that of my research assistant(s) would also seem to strongly support this claim…all of us have gotten leaner, bigger and stronger with the use of Albuterol, while !
with Clen, we got more ripped but not really stronger (and certainly not much bigger). Anecdotally, we’ve seen Clenbuterol fall a bit flat when people use it for anabolic effects, although in animals it would appear to be highly anabolic, though human studies are a bit shaky (ha!) in this area.
One of the things I really like about Albuterol is that it has the potential to actually be used on my cycle to make it safer by improving my lipid profile (cholesterol)…or during PCT to help get my cholesterol levels back in check. This is because Albuterol shows significant benefits to cholesterol as it works to lower total cholesterol, specifically LDL (the bad stuff) while at the same time elevating HDL (the good stuff).(8)
In my own particular case, cholesterol never seems to be an issue, but now that I’m working with Oasis for HRT, it’s certainly in my best interests to show up every three months with nice looking blood work.
So now is the part you’ve been waiting for (*or the part you skipped to, ignoring the rest of the article…whatever…). How much of this should you take, and how often? Well, I can tell you that I have found the best results by working my way up from 4mgs taken once a day, up to 4-8mgs taken 3x a day. I know that some people will think that 24ms a day of this stuff is going to be too much (it is, after all, a stimulant). But I can tell you that I have a pretty good tolerance for stimulants (I’ve taken up to 200mcg/day of Clenbuterol, and some other pretty hefty stimulants that I probably shouldn’t mention in polite company). Most people are going to find their sweet spot at about 4mgs of Albuterol 3x a day or so…women will probably take about half that dose, and be fine with it.
I think that Albuterol is about to become very popular, very soon…and I, for one, am looking forward to seeing less of my old Clen article around the ‘net, and more of this one.
Copy & Paste
One of the first articles I ever wrote which was widely circulated was about Clenbuterol. I wrote it partially to clear up some misconceptions about the drug, and partially because I got tired of answering the same questions over and over. Several years later, that article has been circulated on almost every anabolic steroid discussion board on the internet, and those boards who haven’t actually reposted the article still regularly discuss one of the concepts pioneered in the article…namely the use of Benadryl with Clenbuterol.
Now, its several years later, and I’ve mostly abandoned Clen for my own personal use, and actually recommend Albuterol (Salbutamol) as a much better alternative. Albuterol is a (relatively) selective beta-2 adrenoreceptor agonist, just like Clenbuterol. Honestly, I had pretty much given up on Clen a couple of years ago because for my own personal reasons (I had experienced much better results with Ephedrine and Caffeine). Then, a couple of weeks ago, I tried my first bottle of Albuterol, mostly out of curiosity…and wow! I like it much more than Clenbuterol. I mentioned this fact to my research assistant, and she told me that a lot of figure competitors also prefer Albuterol over Clenbuterol. I had no idea about that, but based on the effects I had with Albuterol I can see why. Clen is simply too harsh on most people; they get too jittery, too shaky, and too anxious. It’s a lot to go through to burn some fat.
But in my own personal experience, Albuterol produces a much “cleaner” type of stimulant effect than Clenbuterol. I don’t know how to really describe this other than to say that the “Clen-shakes” just aren’t as bad with Albuterol…in addition, I’m able to focus better on my work when I use Albuterol, while with Clen I’m stimulated but not really focused.
But even though Albuterol produces a much cleaner stimulant-type feeling in most people, the main question is “How well does it burn fat”? As far as fat-burning stimulants go, how does it stack up to Clenbuterol? Lets face it, most people are really only concerned with the end results, right? Well, at least in me and the people I’ve worked with, Albuterol seems to produce significantly better results than Clen in terms of fat burning effects…and it produces them just a bit more quickly too. This makes sense, if you think about it. Albuterol is often thought of as a “shorter acting” version of Clen…and, to draw an analogy, when we look at the steroids which are shorter acting versions (think about comparing something like Testosterone Propionate vs./ Cypionate, or NPP vs./ Deca)- they typically produce more dramatic results a bit quicker than their long acting cousins. I’m finding the same thing to be true with Albuterol. When we take a look at a medical study!
examining Clenbuterol vs. a beta-2 agonist which has an even longer half life (“Salmeterol”), we see that Clen out performs it in terms of anabolic effects (1). So I think it would only be logical to assume that something that was a shorter acting beta-2 agonist than Clen would likely outperform it, right?
Let me just restate that, to make sure we’re all on the same page, ok? Clenbuterol outperforms longer acting beta-2 agonists, in terms of anabolic effects. Albuterol is a beta-2 agonist with a shorter acting effect than Clenbuterol. Therefore, it’s only logical that Albuterol is going to be more anabolic than Clen, right? Ok, let’s move on…
To understand how Albuterol works, first we need to take a look at the Beta adrenergic system. This system is comprised of something called adrenoreceptors, and the most well known (to bodybuilders anyway) of the adrenoreceptors are the beta receptors. Beta receptors are embedded in the cell's outer phospholipid membrane, and are stimulated by all the really popular stimulants…ephedrine, Clenbuterol, etc... These receptors can further be divided into three subtypes: 1, 2, & 3, (of which we are primarily concerned with type-2, because the type-3 variety seems to primarily be less relevant in humans than in other animals, and because Albuterol doesn’t stimulate the type-1 receptor). There also exists a type of receptor known as an alpha receptor, which isn’t relevant here, but warrants a brief explanation.
Alpha receptors differ from beta receptors in that they are activated at significantly lower catecholamine levels than are the beta receptors. A catecholamine is simply an organic compound that affects the sympathetic nervous system. For example, dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine are all catecholamines.
We are, as I said previously, mostly concerned with Beta-2 receptors, because those are what we see stimulated with Albuterol. It should come as no surprise to anyone who has used Clenbuterol as well as Albuterol is that when you stimulate your beta receptors, it causes something called vasodilatation (increased blood flow). Stimulation of these receptors also stimulates the break down of fatty acids into the blood stream for use as fuel, which causes a reduction in stored fat. Of course, this increased blood flow also comes with an increased heart rate.
This explains how Beta-2 adrenergic stimulation can also increase your body temperature a bit…however this isn’t something that’s too noticeable on a thermometer…most people will feel a bit hotter, and some will even break a sweat (I fall into the latter category). Beta-agonists work to do this by increasing heat production in the cell’s powerhouse, the mitochondria, which will also increase your basal metabolic rate, and decrease your appetite. Not too many people feel hungry after a whopping dose of stimulants.
There is also some evidence that Beta-Agonists are anabolic (more properly, however, this would actually be anti-catabolic). This is because Beta-agonists also act to initiate a hormonal cascade that involves the activation of a compound called cAMP (basically: cyclic-Adenosine Monophosphate). After this, cAMP activates calpistatin that is the inhibitor of calpain. Calpain works to degrade protein in skeletal muscle (among other functions). Therefore, we already saw that how stimulation of beta 2 receptors have the ability to increase energy expenditure and free up body fat to be used as fuel, and now we have some understanding of how that stimulation can also have the potential to be anti-catabolic as well .
Now that we’re all on the same page regarding the beta-adregenic system, and what sorts of effects we can expect when we stimulate it with beta-2 agonists…lets take a more specific look at Albuterol, and why I think it’s such a great compound.
When we take a look at Albuterol’s ability to burn fat, it’s clear that it has the ability to aid fat loss in both normal as well as obese men (2). That’s not very different from Clenbuterol, in any way. However, in my personal experience with it, I think that Albuterol really outperforms Clen in areas of strength gains as well as for athletic purposes….lets take a look at my claim and see how Albuterol performs in humans…
In one study, subjects were given Albuterol and performed 9 weeks of isokinetic knee extensions (there was also a group who performed the same exercise routine but were not given Albuterol). The Albuterol group, predictably, had better strength gains than the non-Albuterol group (only a therapeutic dose was given) (3). In my own experience, strength gains with Albuterol are much better and seen more quickly than I see them with Clen. In fact, while I don’t particularly experience much of a performance enhancing effect from Clen in the gym; on the other hand I see strength gains and muscular improvements within the first couple weeks of using Albuterol. Of course, this is likely a pure anabolic effect and probably not easily explained as a simple “enhanced” anti-catabolic effect, and likely can’t be explained away with the Calpain idea you read about earlier. I still think that I can take a pretty good shot at explaining why Albuterol is anabolic, though. strong bo!
dy of evidence exists to suggest that Albuterol influences the release of cAMP. As you may know, cAMP also plays an important role in mediating certain catecholamines secreted by the adrenal medulla have an inhibitory effect on muscle dependent protein degradation, but in addition, norepinephrine released from adrenergic terminals may actually increase the rate of protein synthesis(not just decrease the rate of their degradation) in oxidative muscles, thereby leading to increased protein accretion (representing a true anabolic effect). That’s most likely the way that we receive part of the anabolic effect from Beta-stimulation. Another way is perhaps through the beta-adrenergic stimulated lowering of “Interleukin-6” from fat cells (long story…).
Anecdotally, Clenbuterol and ephedrine have both shown themselves capable of temporarily increasing strength, and I would bet most beta-agonists have this effect, but I don’t think has been shown as conclusively in the medical literature as it has been with Albuterol. Albuterol has been shown to increase muscle size (3-6) as well as strength and endurance (3) (*while people have anecdotally reported that Clen seems to lower their aerobic capacity. Clenbuterol has a disadvantage when compared with Albuterol in the area of strength gains, probably due to the act that it use-dependently inhibits action potential firing in skeletal muscle fibers, which is not directly caused by inherent Beta-2 stimulant activities (7) . I think that’s the best quasi-scientific explanation I Again, my own personal experience and that of my research assistant(s) would also seem to strongly support this claim…all of us have gotten leaner, bigger and stronger with the use of Albuterol, while !
with Clen, we got more ripped but not really stronger (and certainly not much bigger). Anecdotally, we’ve seen Clenbuterol fall a bit flat when people use it for anabolic effects, although in animals it would appear to be highly anabolic, though human studies are a bit shaky (ha!) in this area.
One of the things I really like about Albuterol is that it has the potential to actually be used on my cycle to make it safer by improving my lipid profile (cholesterol)…or during PCT to help get my cholesterol levels back in check. This is because Albuterol shows significant benefits to cholesterol as it works to lower total cholesterol, specifically LDL (the bad stuff) while at the same time elevating HDL (the good stuff).(8)
In my own particular case, cholesterol never seems to be an issue, but now that I’m working with Oasis for HRT, it’s certainly in my best interests to show up every three months with nice looking blood work.
So now is the part you’ve been waiting for (*or the part you skipped to, ignoring the rest of the article…whatever…). How much of this should you take, and how often? Well, I can tell you that I have found the best results by working my way up from 4mgs taken once a day, up to 4-8mgs taken 3x a day. I know that some people will think that 24ms a day of this stuff is going to be too much (it is, after all, a stimulant). But I can tell you that I have a pretty good tolerance for stimulants (I’ve taken up to 200mcg/day of Clenbuterol, and some other pretty hefty stimulants that I probably shouldn’t mention in polite company). Most people are going to find their sweet spot at about 4mgs of Albuterol 3x a day or so…women will probably take about half that dose, and be fine with it.
I think that Albuterol is about to become very popular, very soon…and I, for one, am looking forward to seeing less of my old Clen article around the ‘net, and more of this one.
Whisky
Well-known member
2 weeks? Pretty sure it’s only around a day bro?
Granted that still means 5 days to totally clear the system but the downtime would still be enough after that.....
boooosted
Member
This.
I dropped about a pound a day on a low dose. I just wanted to try it so did 1 week before I quit it. I bumped my calories significantly over the next few days and continued to drop weight day after day. I thought I screwed something up but that **** just stayed with me. I was extremely sensitive to it. My first dose of 40mcg had me shaking uncontrollably. Probably won't touch it again.
I dropped about a pound a day on a low dose. I just wanted to try it so did 1 week before I quit it. I bumped my calories significantly over the next few days and continued to drop weight day after day. I thought I screwed something up but that **** just stayed with me. I was extremely sensitive to it. My first dose of 40mcg had me shaking uncontrollably. Probably won't touch it again.
hairygrandpa
Legend
Had to reply to it -by quoting it. Rocket3015 , WTH? Long-azz-fugging article... only to be rivaled by HIT4ME 's posts, LOL!
hairygrandpa
Legend
Gym
Shoulders, traps, neck
-Did it all
-Did it disciplined
-Will do again
Over and out.
Shoulders, traps, neck
-Did it all
-Did it disciplined
-Will do again
Over and out.
Rocket3015
Legend
I have played with it a few times, never saw any effects, I my have gotten fake stuff. ??
boooosted
Member
If you take enough clen, I'm positive you will feel some effect of it. I'd like to hear the dosage you used also. I never made it past 80mcg before I started getting tunnel vision.
Newth
Well-known member
Wait until you need to sign something important.
Rocket3015
Legend
What dosage did you try?
EDITRocket3015
I started at 20mg and last dose was 100mg. I even tried from a different company. No Headaches, No Shakes, No Rise in Body Temp ??
Newth
Well-known member
Have you tried albuterol?
You should be noticing it big time when you high dosed.
Either you got bunk gear from two places or maybe you don't respond well to beta 2 agonists.
Rocket3015
Legend
I did try albuterol once a friend on mine got ripped to shreds on it, I used the second half of his bottle.....Nothing ?????????
T-3 Same Story ???
Rocket3015
Legend
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DemntedCowboy
Well-known member
You buy it and we will both run it Rocket3015 and see if it works. Lol
HIT4ME
Well-known member
lol - I was hoping you'd read it and summarize for me? The thing that jumped out at me was how the author states in the second paragraph, "Then, a couple of weeks ago, I tried my first bottle of Albuterol, mostly out of curiosity…and wow! I like it much more than Clenbuterol."
And then goes on to say how he's had all these experiences and used it in all kinds of clients?? How is he judging strength gains in just a couple weeks vs. Clen? How about fat loss?
He is also hypothesizing about albuterol raising cAMP more than Clen, but both will do this and he has no evidence of the potency of either drug beyond experience, if the strength gains are even real to begin with?
It would also be interesting to note longer-term use of albuterol? Does it downregulate the receptors like Clen? I haven't researched this all that much so it may be already out in the albuterol discussions somewhere.
Of course, the sides may be fewer and this could be because it is actually weaker then clen...well, it obviously is much weaker because you use mg doses instead of mcg doses - but I mean weaker even at the proper dose. Or it could be that, since it is shorter acting, it doesn't set off the downstream cascades (like increased cAMP) as much as Clen, so it doesn't "snowball". B2 agonism will increase cAMP and cAMP will prolong the effects of B2 agonists I believe - so if Clen is a stronger agonist AND a longer acting agonist, it could create more cAMP over time and this would mean that Clen right now will make Clen an hour from now much stronger if that makes sense. Or my thought process could be wrong/missing info.
Regardless, pretty good article and makes me want to get some albuteral. Maybe inject clen and take albuterol orally? Haha.
Also, you'd still have heart concerns but they are likely reduced from what I can tell with albuterol.
HIT4ME
Well-known member
How much Vitamin D do you take daily?
MrKleen73
Legend
I was going to mention it might be referring to anticatabolic effects on skeletal muscle as being anabolic.
Without going to read the actual article, it is also my understanding that it being anticatabolic in skeletal muscle is where the idea of supposed anabolism from clen stems from. More of an anticatabolic effect than an anabolic one.
HIT4ME
Well-known member
Yeah - the author is aware that it is likely anti-catabolic, but makes the claim that Albuterol is so much more potent in this regard that it seems like that theory doesn't hold and it may actually be anabolic. He attributes this to a greater increase in cAMP from albuterol, but this isn't really logical in my mind.
Rocket3015
Legend
I will check the bottle when I get home ???
HIT4ME
Well-known member
Well...that probably tells me enough. Are you pretty stim tolerant? Want to run an experiment for me?
Take 20,000 i.u. per day of vitamin d. You can buy 10,000 i.u. pills and just take one in the morning and 1 at night or take 2 together.
Do this for 30 days and tell me what your stim tolerance is. After 30 days, if you are concerned, you can drop to 10,000 i.u.
Hyde
Legend
Effects on fat-burning, I can’t say. But consider that metabolites build with usage - if you run this for 2 weeks, you are NOT clearing metabolites in 5 days. I can say that I got leaner still in the days immediately following discontinuation of Clen.
Whisky
Well-known member
All I meant was that typically a period of 5 half lives is considered the period after which the substance is no longer present in any significant level. Not that it can’t be detected or even its impact seen for longer.....
Rocket3015
Legend
I am very stim tolerant, I can drink a cup of coffee roll over and go to sleep, I was very hyperactive as a child, today I'm sure I would be diagnosed as ADHD. I never took any medication but now they give kids Ritalin for this, and if I understand it is like an amphetamine but it slows them down, so my theory is stim's will not have a great effect on me. I how you understand this gibberish.
HIT4ME
Well-known member
Yes - that was my guess. So if you are interested, do what I said and take those high doses of Vitamin D and come back in 30 days and tell me how your stim tolerance is.
The reason I am interested is because I have ALWAYS been super tolerant. Drinking coffee and sleeping? I have caffeine powder and once dropped 1 gram and was still able to sleep 30-60 minutes later. Ephedrine has very minor effects on me at all. T3 has almost no noticeable effect on me.
I read a study where they gave 600,000 i.u. to people in a single dose and monitored their leptin/adiponectin levels. This single dose lowered leptin and increased adiponectin. A high leptin/adiponectin ratio may be the single best test for metabolic disease - so this got my attention. I started really upping my dose of vitamin D - I went on Amazon and got 360 pills with 10,000 iu per pill for about $14. I did exactly as I said above and took 10,000 i.u. twice a day for 30 days and then 10,000 iu a day after that.
At first I was nervous because "too much vitamin D can have side effects". But it turns out some recent studies show that even blood levels above range don't have negative effects associated with them. Since that, and my experience, I'm leaning toward more 20,000 i.u. days.
But I have about a dozen small observations that I've made, that at first I didn't attribute to the Vitamin D; until I realized it was the only change I made. One of these observations is that coffee has more kick. I get coffee at a shop with my gf in the morning and, like most take-out coffee, it's not very strong. I drink it black and notice ...not much. It wakes me up but it could be placebo. But sometimes I make coffee at home on a Bonavita and the coffee from that is STRONG and I started noticing that that shizzle started keeping me up at night if I drank a full pot in the afternoon (something that didn't used to have an effect).
And the quick research I've done into the clen now, since you posted that article, is showing some cross-over between vitamin D receptor signaling and beta adrenergic down regulation. It looks like these studies show that low vitamin D levels downregulate beta adrenergic receptors.
It would be a simple test, will you be my guinea pig? haha.
rtmilburn
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Matt need to either bring back or sell off adrenosurge. Take that vitamin d and some pregnenolone.
christ83189
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So youre saying if i take 20,000 iu of vitamin d a day that it may lower my stim tolerance? Ill give it a try. Ive got a bunch of 2000iu pills at home. My stim tolerance is pretty ridiculous and i can never seem to make myself take a stim break
Rocket3015
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HIT4ME
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Sweet, another guinea pig. I'm not promising anything - it's just an observation and I'd like to get more observations after 30 days. 20,000 IU is a big dose, so some people may not be willing to take it ...and there are some cautions there. I've seen some people saying 6 months or 12 months at that dose can create toxicity...but never actually seen a case or study showing this so I'm not sure where it comes from. But I've noticed reduced stim tolerance doing this protocol and it would be great to have your experience to see if I may be right or wrong! Thanks!
Haha, just be glad I don't have needles yet!! *Hands Rocket3015 a vial and says, Inject this - what is it? - just inject, I'll handle the questions.*
And given the study on adiponectin/leptin - this SHOULD reduce appetite and improve eating behavior. After about 4 months on this, I've noticed some improvement but it's not as dramatic as I would like. I literally had no off switch before. I NEVER felt full. I could eat and eat and eat without getting much satisfaction and even my stomach stretch reflex required enormous amounts of food before I felt like I couldn't fit anymore. I am now getting a full feeling - it still requires a large amount of food, but I will stop at some point because I feel satisfied or even like eating more will make me sick. And again, it's large portions - but much more reasonable than what I was at before.
Newth
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HIT4ME
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Interesting question - I don't know much about taurine's potential effect here. I know that some amphetamine users use it to increase tolerance and I thought that had to do with some NMDA activity? Learn me up brother! Tell me what you got?
HIT4ME
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Oh ****, I just realize that we're talking theory in a hairygrandpa thread now. He hates that ****. He doesn't want to design sledge hammers. He wants to swing sledge hammers.
hairygrandpa
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Nah, keep theorizing. I just wait for the conclusion, then buy that stuff and inject it.
Newth
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Not a lot really.
Nost supplements fit into the "boring" category in my memory so I've lost/buried most of it.
Pretty sure it has an effect on helping stop receptor sensitisation to stims.....not sure if it's selective on beta type though.
christ83189
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I dont see hoe 20,000iu could bring toxicity if the test subjects took 600,000iu in one dose without being affected but hey what do i know? I just take stuff
HIT4ME
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Yeah, they were saying 20,000 i.u a day for either 6 months or a full year. Plus, that 600,000 i.u. dose was in a clinical setting.
But I personally agree - I mean, you can generate that much vitamin D if you're a light skinned person out in strong sunlight for something like 30 minutes. But while I agree, I don't want anyone to make an uninformed decision based on my own personal beliefs...I feel 30 or even 60 days should be well within a margin of safety and personally, I'm thinking of going to 20,000 for a year and see what it does. Maybe even more.
Hyde
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I have been on 10,000iu (or more) every day for over half a decade, ever since I read a study that guys on Nandrolone had double the gains with 10k iu D3 daily compared to the control group on only the Nandrolone, and my sister had just come back with low levels on her blood work and doc gave her 40k IU gels. I felt better on it and have never stopped. It’s a parent steroid that can improve a ton of things without drawback and it costs next to nothing.
It is literally the single supplement I recommend to all men unless they already know they have dangerously high levels (nobody). And if you’re worried about toxicity - go to your doctor and get blood work every 6 months and you are set.
It is literally the single supplement I recommend to all men unless they already know they have dangerously high levels (nobody). And if you’re worried about toxicity - go to your doctor and get blood work every 6 months and you are set.
Whisky
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I assume I’m wrong on this (and haven’t re read up on it) but isn’t vitamin d3 produced in the body following any exposure to sun?
I supplement it in the autumn and winter but I’m sure I’d read than if you get plenty of sun exposure your body can produce more than you could ever use (and in a more accessible form than oral supplements)?
I’m sure there’s more science as to why still supplementing is better but that was my understanding anyway
BennyMagoo79
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Man you are full of interesting and exciting anecdotes. I'm going to do this for the next week.
CJNator
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That looks sick, I need to try it lol.
SFreed
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Hyde
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You are dead on! But many folks work office jobs and don’t get nearly enough. Even guys who work out in the sun - is it sunny most the year where they are? And while redheads produce it more efficiently, many avoid direct sunlight due to their sensitivity to sun damage. Bottom line: ask for a test next time you have your physical. If you aren’t pegging out the top of the healthy range, GET ON THAT D
