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Blast: Trestolone Acetate + Testosterone + Superdrol + LGD / Hairygrandpa blowing up!

hairygrandpa said:
Yes, theoretically they should grow from roids alone, as they are packed with androgen receptors. Not in my case. We all have our genetically weaknesses. I'm genetically gifted in my belly region, no growth problems at all.
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You just have exceptional abdominal hypertrophy, that’s what I tell folks
 
Started a split routine, today was chest

BB bench press
135lbs x20/15 (warmup)
180lbs x18
225lbs x13
270lbs x7
315lbs x2

DB incline hex press
2x70lbs x9
2x75lbs x3
2x55lbs x13 rp 7 rp 4

inclined unilateral cable flies
20lbs x18/16/16/15

inclined chest press machine
230lbs x12 rp 7 rp 4
230lbs x 8 rp 4 rp 3

Push ups hands touching under chest (diamond)
12/8
Regular push ups
28/32/26

Its my 4th day on low carbs, bloat is gone, strength is surprisingly up.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Thanks!
Had to show my 25 yo training partner who the daddy is. :) The little fugger is getting strong, his recovery takes only 24 hrs, mine is about 72 hrs, damn!
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It is tuff the older you get, no body thinks it will happen to them, Just wait. But life is good!
 
Rocket3015 said:
It is tuff the older you get, no body thinks it will happen to them, Just wait. But life is good!
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I noted, that even on roids, I need a lot of time to recover. Training all body parts two times a week is over for me, can't handle it anymore. Sucks getting old.
 
Strong brother! Those hex presses are my favorite as they take the shoulders out of the movement. Carbs bloat the heck out of my midsection, I’m learning. I’m holding them at 100 g per day.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Rocket3015 , you tried a lot of supps over the years, I guess. Which one worked best for recovery?
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I really don't use any supplements for recovery, I train in the AM fasted and right after training I eat a bowl of oatmeal with 50 grams of protein mixed in and a scoop of frozen yogurt on top. After that I good for my 10 hour work day.
 
CJNator said:
Which one repairs the liver?
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Berberine repairs, or has liver protective effects, I can't remember which one but it helps the liver regardless.
hairygrandpa said:
Rocket3015 , you tried a lot of supps over the years, I guess. Which one worked best for recovery?
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You are on them, nothing short of adding in some HGH is going to improve your recovery much. No supplements can touch gear for recovery.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I noted, that even on roids, I need a lot of time to recover. Training all body parts two times a week is over for me, can't handle it anymore. Sucks getting old.
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It may not have to do with age as much as it has to do with wisdom. It might not be that you have lost recovery as much as you'veost a small a.ount of recovery and gained a lot of wisdom (enough to start realizing the truth).

You can probably still train twice a week - if you modulate volume and intensity. I have found that I can still make reasonable progress at lower intensities. Sometimes a small amount of progress twice a week beats a lot of progress once a week.

But when I was younger 100% intensity was a must - forced reps, drop sets, the works. Even when I was young though I could only take that 1x per week per body part. People always act like they can lift all out for 20 sets and do that 2x per week, but most can't if they are natural and some probably not even with pharmacological assistance. Maybe some people who are genetic freaks can, but that isn't most of us.

When people claim they do that much volume I always question their intensity. I am sure they work "hard" but not in the sense of "high intensity" where they are going well beyond when their brain begged them to stop and the weight fell on them. You can't keep that up for high volume. At least, again, very few if us.

I've been kind if on this kick lately so I will reiterate it here. I have been eating 2 g protein per pou d of bodyweight. It has been only 6 days, but I've been shocked at the difference. I am recovering faster and have decreased DOMS. Where I normally gain a rep/week on an exercise, I am gaining 2-3 reps consistently on each set and it is typical that my second set of an exercise this week will have more reps than my first set last week with the same weight.

I have held the suspicion for a long time that we dont need as much protein as we think and a lot of the dogma around protein is driven by supplement companies trying to sell powders. I may have been wrong.

Oh, and I am seeing these gains while eating in a 300-500 calorie/day deficit.

It's kind of my thing of the week so take it with a grain of salt...but it may be worth really focusing on the protein.
 
I could be wrong but I think his recovery is probably more soft connective tissue and joint related more than his muscle being ready to lift again. I could be way off base though.

It is quite common in older trainees, and especially those with a high training age then to do a bit better lowering the frequency a bit. Often this has more to do with collagen production dropping off so connective tissue needs more time to recover. If you aren't going to drop some of the volume or intensity then you are definitely going to have to cut down on frequency. Another

For us if we want to train something twice a week then some very high rep blood flow work is a very good 2nd workout as it improves the recovery in the connective tissue via heightened circulation. I would look into "feeder" sets on the stuff you want to train more than once a week. Do them while having both pre, and intra carbs to really shove the nutrients into the muscles.

Also HGP be careful pressing 315 for someone with a problem shoulder and elbows there isn't much reason to be going that heavy. I would hate to see you re-injured because ego and enjoyment got a little out of hand. It feels great to push up the 3 plates until it doesn't so be careful.
 
HIT4ME said:
It may not have to do with age as much as it has to do with wisdom. It might not be that you have lost recovery as much as you'veost a small a.ount of recovery and gained a lot of wisdom (enough to start realizing the truth).

You can probably still train twice a week - if you modulate volume and intensity. I have found that I can still make reasonable progress at lower intensities. Sometimes a small amount of progress twice a week beats a lot of progress once a week.

But when I was younger 100% intensity was a must - forced reps, drop sets, the works. Even when I was young though I could only take that 1x per week per body part. People always act like they can lift all out for 20 sets and do that 2x per week, but most can't if they are natural and some probably not even with pharmacological assistance. Maybe some people who are genetic freaks can, but that isn't most of us.

When people claim they do that much volume I always question their intensity. I am sure they work "hard" but not in the sense of "high intensity" where they are going well beyond when their brain begged them to stop and the weight fell on them. You can't keep that up for high volume. At least, again, very few if us.

I've been kind if on this kick lately so I will reiterate it here. I have been eating 2 g protein per pou d of bodyweight. It has been only 6 days, but I've been shocked at the difference. I am recovering faster and have decreased DOMS. Where I normally gain a rep/week on an exercise, I am gaining 2-3 reps consistently on each set and it is typical that my second set of an exercise this week will have more reps than my first set last week with the same weight.

I have held the suspicion for a long time that we dont need as much protein as we think and a lot of the dogma around protein is driven by supplement companies trying to sell powders. I may have been wrong.

Oh, and I am seeing these gains while eating in a 300-500 calorie/day deficit.

It's kind of my thing of the week so take it with a grain of salt...but it may be worth really focusing on the protein.
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What exactly was your diet like before this? I would be curious to know how different this is than what you were doing before.
 
MrKleen73 said:
I could be wrong but I think his recovery is probably more soft connective tissue and joint related more than his muscle being ready to lift again. I could be way off base though.

It is quite common in older trainees, and especially those with a high training age then to do a bit better lowering the frequency a bit. Often this has more to do with collagen production dropping off so connective tissue needs more time to recover. If you aren't going to drop some of the volume or intensity then you are definitely going to have to cut down on frequency. Another

For us if we want to train something twice a week then some very high rep blood flow work is a very good 2nd workout as it improves the recovery in the connective tissue via heightened circulation. I would look into "feeder" sets on the stuff you want to train more than once a week. Do them while having both pre, and intra carbs to really shove the nutrients into the muscles.

Also HGP be careful pressing 315 for someone with a problem shoulder and elbows there isn't much reason to be going that heavy. I would hate to see you re-injured because ego and enjoyment got a little out of hand. It feels great to push up the 3 plates until it doesn't so be careful.
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We are in agreement- there are a bunch of factors and recovery does decline with age; not arguing that. I mean, I see my 91 year old grandmother and literally standing from a chair twice a day is so intense for her it is unwise to train her with much more volume than that. (too bad the "professional" therapists who come to her house can't see that, but that's another story)

I am just pointing out that recovery and training is a funny thing. When we are young we can train a little more, but often train A LOT more. As we get old, we start to slip a little but experience and wisdom also starts to set in that we start to pay attention to the actual feedback we are being given rather than just charge forward with an indestructible mentality. In other words, yes there is a drop. But that drop may seem bigger than it actually is too because we are learning to pull back a little as well.

And HGP is NARROW GRIP benching that 315 - can you friggin' believe that? I thought he was talking a while back about higher reps and lower weights!??! It's impressive to say the least and your warning should be taken....although, maybe that's light for him? haha.

MrKleen73 said:
What exactly was your diet like before this? I would be curious to know how different this is than what you were doing before.
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My diet has varied. Obviously did the PSMF for a while, then fell off the wagon and have swapped between periods of trying to eat "moderately", low carb, falling off the wagon some more, etc. Priorities are ever shifting and I'm still trying to find something that fits in without requiring it be a top priority. Most recently I was eating more carbs - mostly through oatmeal, bananas, rice, and similar items - but I've always aimed for around 1 gram per pound.

Actually, to some degree I kind of always gravitate toward protein and lower carbs/fats unless I'm just eating junk food. If I just get a routine going I don't really look for carbs at all - so going to 2 grams in a way wasn't a HUGE shift for me - it was just taking it to more of an extreme.

The irony is I'm not trying to eliminate carbs or fat - I'm still getting 300-500 calories/day from carbs and fat not including any broccoli I eat - but I pretty much self regulate between 1500-2500 calories once I'm focused on getting almost 300 grams of protein. Actually this week every day has been under 2200 and that includes allowing a couple handfuls of M&M's while watching TV. I envision 2500 calories would involve a pretty big cheat because I'm pretty stuffed at around 1700-1900 calories with this setup. The side effect is that, as you would expect, I don't feel like eating an entire family sized bag of M&M's and even a couple handfuls felt like a real splurge.

The real thing that has caught me by surprise is actually some mental/psychological improvements and energy improvements that I didn't expect, to be honest.

My guess is that if I was around 10-15% bodyfat I would need to increase the fat/carb intake a bit or I would be more hungry.
 
HIT4ME said:
We are in agreement- there are a bunch of factors and recovery does decline with age; not arguing that. I mean, I see my 91 year old grandmother and literally standing from a chair twice a day is so intense for her it is unwise to train her with much more volume than that. (too bad the "professional" therapists who come to her house can't see that, but that's another story)

I am just pointing out that recovery and training is a funny thing. When we are young we can train a little more, but often train A LOT more. As we get old, we start to slip a little but experience and wisdom also starts to set in that we start to pay attention to the actual feedback we are being given rather than just charge forward with an indestructible mentality. In other words, yes there is a drop. But that drop may seem bigger than it actually is too because we are learning to pull back a little as well.

And HGP is NARROW GRIP benching that 315 - can you friggin' believe that? I thought he was talking a while back about higher reps and lower weights!??! It's impressive to say the least and your warning should be taken....although, maybe that's light for him? haha.



My diet has varied. Obviously did the PSMF for a while, then fell off the wagon and have swapped between periods of trying to eat "moderately", low carb, falling off the wagon some more, etc. Priorities are ever shifting and I'm still trying to find something that fits in without requiring it be a top priority. Most recently I was eating more carbs - mostly through oatmeal, bananas, rice, and similar items - but I've always aimed for around 1 gram per pound.

Actually, to some degree I kind of always gravitate toward protein and lower carbs/fats unless I'm just eating junk food. If I just get a routine going I don't really look for carbs at all - so going to 2 grams in a way wasn't a HUGE shift for me - it was just taking it to more of an extreme.

The irony is I'm not trying to eliminate carbs or fat - I'm still getting 300-500 calories/day from carbs and fat not including any broccoli I eat - but I pretty much self regulate between 1500-2500 calories once I'm focused on getting almost 300 grams of protein. Actually this week every day has been under 2200 and that includes allowing a couple handfuls of M&M's while watching TV. I envision 2500 calories would involve a pretty big cheat because I'm pretty stuffed at around 1700-1900 calories with this setup. The side effect is that, as you would expect, I don't feel like eating an entire family sized bag of M&M's and even a couple handfuls felt like a real splurge.

The real thing that has caught me by surprise is actually some mental/psychological improvements and energy improvements that I didn't expect, to be honest.

My guess is that if I was around 10-15% bodyfat I would need to increase the fat/carb intake a bit or I would be more hungry.
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So basically you probably replaced some fats with protein, which is more easily broken down to glucose and enters into the ATP process faster. Effectively increasing available glucose via amino acid breakdown. Giving you a higher availability of ATP during anaerobic activity. Nice work.
 
MrKleen73 said:
So basically you probably replaced some fats with protein, which is more easily broken down to glucose and enters into the ATP process faster. Effectively increasing available glucose via amino acid breakdown. Giving you a higher availability of ATP during anaerobic activity. Nice work.
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Yup - exactly. It's kind of like a lower-insulin supply of carbs I am thinking. Obviously there is still an insulin response, but I think it will be slower/lower. Toward our discussion of PDK - I also think it will help smooth out this process and potentially lower PDK which I am hoping may mean less "rebound" coming off the diet, although this diet kind of has the low-carb benefits where it feels like you're eating bad foods at times - a pound of lean beef with cheese for dinner isn't exactly restricting yourself. So it should be sustainable and even at 2000 calories I feel like I've eaten an insane amount of food.

I mean we're talking an example like - A full 2 cup carton of egg beaters (250 calories/50 grams of protein), 1 pound of meat (600 calories, 112 g protein), 3 oz. cheese (27 grams protein, 330 calories), 4 cups of yogurt (320 calories/48 grams protein), 2 scoops protein powder (220 calories/48 grams protein) = 1720 calories and 285 g of protein and that is pretty darned filling to be honest. Add in 2 bags of broccoli and you're at 1970 calories and 301 grams of protein. And you can change the foods/combos in a ton of different ways. And that's not even really being strict with anything IMO.

Of course the psychological "trick" here is that instead of focusing on "restriction" I"m prioritizing what I eat first. Kind of like your mom saying, "Clean your plate before you can eat dessert". It's basic, which is good - but I'm surprised that the added protein seems to have an effect when I would say I was already eating "sufficient" protein at 1 gram/day.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Started a split routine, today was chest

BB bench press
135lbs x20/15 (warmup)
180lbs x18
225lbs x13
270lbs x7
315lbs x2

DB incline hex press
2x70lbs x9
2x75lbs x3
2x55lbs x13 rp 7 rp 4

inclined unilateral cable flies
20lbs x18/16/16/15

inclined chest press machine
230lbs x12 rp 7 rp 4
230lbs x 8 rp 4 rp 3

Push ups hands touching under chest (diamond)
12/8
Regular push ups
28/32/26

Its my 4th day on low carbs, bloat is gone, strength is surprisingly up.
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You are doing 2 workouts each week, you're just doing them both at once! This one is both power and volume in one session.
 
HIT4ME said:
And HGP is NARROW GRIP benching that 315 - can you friggin' believe that? I thought he was talking a while back about higher reps and lower weights!??! It's impressive to say the least and your warning should be taken....although, maybe that's light for him? haha.
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Not narrow! Close grip stalled at 270.
 
BennyMagoo79 said:
You are doing 2 workouts each week, you're just doing them both at once! This one is both power and volume in one session.
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This was my chest day. Today is back. I'm going by intuition and mix volume and heavy, depending how I feel. Hate following pre-designed routines, takes the fun out of it for me. :)
 
hairygrandpa said:
Not narrow! Close grip stalled at 270.
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Oh, geez. I thought I saw you saying somewhere that was Narrow/Close Grip. My bad. Still - be safe. You're old.
 
You still running trest? If so what dose and what dose of AI? What kind of progress have you made weight wise?
 
RickyBlobby said:
You still running trest? If so what dose and what dose of AI? What kind of progress have you made weight wise?
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Running trest at 32mg/d with caber +80mg t-bol, so far no gyno flareup. Stopped taking test for the duration of trest, to see how that works out. Leaning out FAST now! Dropped my carb intake to about 100gr/d.
Taking 0.5mg adex ed -until test cleared the system, then lowering adex gradually to see if the theory holds water, that AI's are useless for 19-nors.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Running trest at 32mg/d with caber +80mg t-bol, so far no gyno flareup. Stopped taking test for the duration of trest, to see how that works out. Leaning out FAST now! Dropped my carb intake to about 100gr/d.
Taking 0.5mg adex ed -until test cleared the system, then lowering adex gradually to see if the theory holds water, that AI's are useless for 19-nors.
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I don't buy into that theory, because I was on trest 75mg/day (transdermal) with formestane and I never got itchy nips. And I'm gyno prone.

Trest is my favorite AAS though. By far!
 
RickyBlobby said:
I don't buy into that theory, because I was on trest 75mg/day (transdermal) with formestane and I never got itchy nips. And I'm gyno prone.

Trest is my favorite AAS though. By far!
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Trest gyno is progesterone + prolactin induced, not by estrogen. I'm 100% sure. Got same symptoms from NPP. Caber is the way to go, if AI's are needed, in absence of testosterone, is what I will find out now.

Got no symptoms on TD trest either, only from oral and ace.
 
I ran oral trest too with formestane only and no issues. Weird.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Trest gyno is progesterone + prolactin induced, not by estrogen. I'm 100% sure. Got same symptoms from NPP. Caber is the way to go, if AI's are needed, in absence of testosterone, is what I will find out now.

Got no symptoms on TD trest either, only from oral and ace.
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Maybe for you. But some people will definitely get gyno on Trest from the methyl-estrogen as well. Which may or may not be blocked by a SERM (seems like many folks still have issues when using a SERM).
 
Hyde said:
Maybe for you. But some people will definitely get gyno on Trest from the methyl-estrogen as well. Which may or may not be blocked by a SERM (seems like many folks still have issues when using a SERM).
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If I'm not mistaken trest still converts to methyl estrogen via the aromatase enzyme. If this is the case an AI/ SERM will be beneficial
 
Hyde said:
Maybe for you. But some people will definitely get gyno on Trest from the methyl-estrogen as well. Which may or may not be blocked by a SERM (seems like many folks still have issues when using a SERM).
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RickyBlobby said:
If I'm not mistaken trest still converts to methyl estrogen via the aromatase enzyme. If this is the case an AI/ SERM will be beneficial
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There is a lot of conflicting info out there about what exactly causes gyno symptoms from trest. There is a newer threat here on AM about 19-nors, methyl estrogen and AI. It seems AI does not have any effect, because the conversion to methyl estro is apparently NOT by aromatease enzymes, so an inhibitor makes no sense.

I'm about to find out - at least for me. :)
So far, caber makes a huge difference. It gets interesting when test is out of the system -and I get off of adex.
 
IMO no need for boring old test when you got some trest on deck :)
 
Really good to see your working your trest problems out HGP.
It must have been frustrating wanting to use it but getting the sides all the time.
 
Newth said:
Really good to see your working your trest problems out HGP.
It must have been frustrating wanting to use it but getting the sides all the time.
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I really love trest -until the nipple problem arises. There has to be a way! I will find out!

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I was underwhelmed with trest. Think i got a bad batch. Mentabolan on the other hand i loved. I hope to be able to throw in trest ace sometime this year though
 
Hyde said:
Maybe for you. But some people will definitely get gyno on Trest from the methyl-estrogen as well. Which may or may not be blocked by a SERM (seems like many folks still have issues when using a SERM).
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Correct me if I'm wrong:
19-nors convert to estrogen at a way lower rate than testosterone does, take deca for instance. Trest is a 19-nor. At a dose of 50mg/d = 350mg/w , it theoretically would convert very litle to methyl estro, in comparison to 350mg/w test. Gyno has to be by prolactin/progesterone. I'm about to prove it by experiment. No AI or SERM will be used, just cabergoline. We will know more in a few weeks. I'll eat my blue shower cap if I'm wrong.
 
Gymkowski

BB bent over row
135lbs warmup x 20
225lbs x17
225lbs holding 1 sec on top x 9/8

BW Pull ups
11/13

Lat pull down
holding 1 sec, squeezing scapulas
180lbs x12/12/10

cable lat pressdown bar
80lbs x7
65lbs x14/15/12

Good mornings BB
135lbs x20
135lbs TUT 3.1.1 (lowering 3 sec) x15/12/9

Inverted row one armed (I dare anyone to try it) see vid
4/3
both arms
14/12/12

Decline crunches, max height
33/21/18

[video=youtube;aoe2srzmUyA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoe2srzmUyA[/video]
 
hairygrandpa said:
I really love trest -until the nipple problem arises. There has to be a way! I will find out!

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I'll have to wait to get home on my pc to reply to this, on my phone Googles AI is being like a hot chick.....very beautiful but extremely frustrating.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Gymkowski

BB bent over row
135lbs warmup x 20
225lbs x17
225lbs holding 1 sec on top x 9/8

BW Pull ups
11/13

Lat pull down
holding 1 sec, squeezing scapulas
180lbs x12/12/10

cable lat pressdown bar
80lbs x7
65lbs x14/15/12

Good mornings BB
135lbs x20
135lbs TUT 3.1.1 (lowering 3 sec) x15/12/9

Inverted row one armed (I dare anyone to try it) see vid
4/3
both arms
14/12/12

Decline crunches, max height
33/21/18

[video=youtube;aoe2srzmUyA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoe2srzmUyA[/video]
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Fcuk one arm inverted rows, im not great with 2 arms let alone one. Id hazard a guess its a great core exerise as much as back....
 
Can you still buy Trest in the USA ?
 
Whisky said:
Fcuk one arm inverted rows, im not great with 2 arms let alone one. Id hazard a guess its a great core exerise as much as back....
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Yes, got cramps in my hams ! Its actually a great display of overall strength, like pull ups. I dared my training partner to do one, turned out he got more out than me, it back fired, lol!

Rocket3015 said:
Can you still buy Trest in the USA ?
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Yes! Fda missed it, don't tell anyone!
 
christ83189 said:
I was underwhelmed with trest. Think i got a bad batch. Mentabolan on the other hand i loved. I hope to be able to throw in trest ace sometime this year though
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Trest ace hits like a heavy weight boxing champ, impossible to be unimpressed, I swear!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Trest ace hits like a heavy weight boxing champ, impossible to be unimpressed, I swear!
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I loved TD and everyone says im is better than TD so its on my list for 2019 or 2020 (assuming i manage to pin test e in sept....been ok going sub q with cjc dac so am hopeful ill be over to the dark side before long lol)
 
hairygrandpa said:
This was my chest day. Today is back. I'm going by intuition and mix volume and heavy, depending how I feel. Hate following pre-designed routines, takes the fun out of it for me. :)
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Yes but results in painful elbow and joint issues on a regular basis. However the workouts you are doing are great for someone only training the muscle groups once a week. Much more with your joints and what not and you will be feeling it sooner than later.
hairygrandpa said:
Correct me if I'm wrong:
19-nors convert to estrogen at a way lower rate than testosterone does, take deca for instance. Trest is a 19-nor. At a dose of 50mg/d = 350mg/w , it theoretically would convert very litle to methyl estro, in comparison to 350mg/w test. Gyno has to be by prolactin/progesterone. I'm about to prove it by experiment. No AI or SERM will be used, just cabergoline. We will know more in a few weeks. I'll eat my blue shower cap if I'm wrong.
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You could probably add in some DIM to manage how much of the estrogen produced gets metabolized to methyl estrogen. Other than that I think you are very likely right.

hairygrandpa said:
Gymkowski

BB bent over row
135lbs warmup x 20
225lbs x17
225lbs holding 1 sec on top x 9/8

BW Pull ups
11/13

Lat pull down
holding 1 sec, squeezing scapulas
180lbs x12/12/10

cable lat pressdown bar
80lbs x7
65lbs x14/15/12

Good mornings BB
135lbs x20
135lbs TUT 3.1.1 (lowering 3 sec) x15/12/9

Inverted row one armed (I dare anyone to try it) see vid
4/3
both arms
14/12/12

Decline crunches, max height
33/21/18

[video=youtube;aoe2srzmUyA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoe2srzmUyA[/video]
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I love these things sometimes I do them on my rings with my core locked and no spinal rotation and other times I will fully extend and rotate into them.

Whisky said:
I loved TD and everyone says im is better than TD so its on my list for 2019 or 2020 (assuming i manage to pin test e in sept....been ok going sub q with cjc dac so am hopeful ill be over to the dark side before long lol)
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You are over to the dark side. Illegal use of research chems, and injecting, what ya waiting for on the big boy stuff? ;)
 
MrKleen73 said:
You are over to the dark side. Illegal use of research chems, and injecting, what ya waiting for on the big boy stuff? ;)
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Haha, yeah fair point. Lines have definitely been crossed already......actually decided to invest in 4mg a week cjc dac from next week to see what that dosage does.....

Waiting till september for three reasons (i literally have everything good to go for a test e, tbol, winny 14 weeker)

1) only finished pct from my 10 week trest/epi run 5 weeks back so trying to stick to a sensible time off whilst using the time off to cut (so the cycle can be a lean bulk all the way)

2) i typically travel and work less in the last few months of the year so its easier for me to be consistent with training (i train when i travel with work but lots of hotel gyms don't have a squat rack or enough weight to religiously overload)

3) i have a personal reason to want to look absolutely jacked to fcuk at year end so trying to tie in with that

4) this is probably the real reason - i go on holiday mid august for 2 weeks and have no intention of having a break in my first pin cycle lol
 
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