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mikeymike85 said:
So I bought some epi. I'm on a 2 month Var run. If I run Epi 3-4 days a week... in theory this shouldn't be too toxic, correct? I'm asking bc I just got off Var- low dose dmz 8 weeks ago and want something not too toxic.
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If running just for toxicity, imo, epi would be a good choice since it's on the milder spectrum in itself, but not quite sure how running a straight cycle with a pulse on top would be. I thought of trying something similar in the past with test e and epi on wo days but decided I was overcomplicating things and just ran test in the end. I think I got the idea from others in the dr.d thread from others pulsing sd on cycle but I can't remember and, with the 200+ pages, I can't say I want to read though again lol, but you might find someone that did that can tell you how it went for them if you're willing to look through it... If it's your first pulse I'd keep it simple the first time and get accustomed to the rebound effect and just how it works for you before complicating things though.
 
I mean I've ran a lot of PHs-AAS in the past. I've stacked compounds before 4-5 times. My body can handle it. I'm just thinking I know epi and hdrol are on the same level, and I've done hdrol numerous times. Seems like on paper it doesnt sound too hardcore since Var is essentially a baby steroid.
 
EPI is not what I would call mild. It makes you feel like **** after a few weeks and it isn't from suppression, as I've run it with trest and felt the same thing I'd rather do tbol, then var, then halo, then epi. Because I don't like feeling like ****.
 
RickyBlobby said:
EPI is not what I would call mild. It makes you feel like **** after a few weeks and it isn't from suppression, as I've run it with trest and felt the same thing I'd rather do tbol, then var, then halo, then epi. Because I don't like feeling like ****.
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I feel the same way.
 
mikeymike85 said:
I mean I've ran a lot of PHs-AAS in the past. I've stacked compounds before 4-5 times. My body can handle it. I'm just thinking I know epi and hdrol are on the same level, and I've done hdrol numerous times. Seems like on paper it doesnt sound too hardcore since Var is essentially a baby steroid.
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Some chicks literally do not come off var during their competitive years. It’s metabolized primarily in the kidneys rather than the liver like most all other orals. You can treat it as virtually no strain on your liver for purposes of stacking, provided you are generally healthy and staying hydrated.

You don’t need to pulse anything on top of it; you’re already on a straight cycle so just add the epi or hdrol onto it.

SD also got pulsed because A. it was really side-heavy for many and pulsing made it tolerable and B. it was powerful enough to be felt even with just dosing sporadically. It’s one of the most potent orals ever. You try to pulse something like 1-dhea and you are going to be very disappointed.
 
Hyde said:
Some chicks literally do not come off var during their competitive years. It’s metabolized primarily in the kidneys rather than the liver like most all other orals. You can treat it as virtually no strain on your liver for purposes of stacking, provided you are generally healthy and staying hydrated.

You don’t need to pulse anything on top of it; you’re already on a straight cycle so just add the epi or hdrol onto it.

SD also got pulsed because A. it was really side-heavy for many and pulsing made it tolerable and B. it was powerful enough to be felt even with just dosing sporadically. It’s one of the most potent orals ever. You try to pulse something like 1-dhea and you are going to be very disappointed.
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Thanks Hyde- I appreciate your knowledge. So you'd say at 30-45 mg Epi for 4-5 weeks, mixed with Var (60mg 8 weeks) I should be okay?

On a side note- I do have Hdrol as well, what would you say would be more synergistic with the Var?
 
mikeymike85 said:
Thanks Hyde- I appreciate your knowledge. So you'd say at 30-45 mg Epi for 4-5 weeks, mixed with Var (60mg 8 weeks) I should be okay?

On a side note- I do have Hdrol as well, what would you say would be more synergistic with the Var?
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That cycle sounds very safe for probably any guy using AAS, in my bropinion.

Your goals and preferences would determine whether you used hdrol or epi with it, but I would say unless you are trying to get as lean and dry as possible for something I would choose Hdrol. Epi with nothing remotely wet under it means estro is going down, and that means it will rebound likely after. Hdrol will be equally effective cutting or bulking and be easier on the joints.

Comes back to goals and preferences.
 
Hyde said:
That cycle sounds very safe for probably any guy using AAS, in my bropinion.

Your goals and preferences would determine whether you used hdrol or epi with it, but I would say unless you are trying to get as lean and dry as possible for something I would choose Hdrol. Epi with nothing remotely wet under it means estro is going down, and that means it will rebound likely after. Hdrol will be equally effective cutting or bulking and be easier on the joints.

Comes back to goals and preferences.
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You're the best man. I think I'm going to go with Hdrol (I've had two bottles of LGI sitting in my shoebox for 4 years, might as well tap into it.) Var does enough damage to my joints and pumps are just too crazy sometimes. Really appreciate you Hyde.
 
Tbol is the bees knees.
 
RickyBlobby said:
EPI is not what I would call mild. It makes you feel like **** after a few weeks and it isn't from suppression, as I've run it with trest and felt the same thing I'd rather do tbol, then var, then halo, then epi. Because I don't like feeling like ****.
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Agreed. It messes with my nips, ****s my joints, gives me back pumps, makes me lethargic af, etc
 
RickyBlobby said:
EPI is not what I would call mild. It makes you feel like **** after a few weeks and it isn't from suppression, as I've run it with trest and felt the same thing I'd rather do tbol, then var, then halo, then epi. Because I don't like feeling like ****.
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i totally agree epi was pretty harsh for me i dont think i would even try to run it again
 
mikeymike85 said:
You're the best man. I think I'm going to go with Hdrol (I've had two bottles of LGI sitting in my shoebox for 4 years, might as well tap into it.) Var does enough damage to my joints and pumps are just too crazy sometimes. Really appreciate you Hyde.
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then its NOT real var. Var is VERY joint friendly.
 
Hyde said:
The one time I’ve run it, the most powerful attributes I experienced, more than strength and size, was fullness/pumps and tremendous muscle recovery. It put a bit of muscle on me, and definitely helped strength, but where it really shines was the nutrient-shuttling into muscles and the utter elimination of DOMS.

It really is good as a bodybuilding drug - no bloat, sick pumps, fullness, will let you train as often as joints & time allow. Quite anabolic and not very androgenic. 30mg solo or 20mg in a stack (preferably with DMZ @30-45; they shine together) will add some nice horsepower.
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It rounded out my side delts and traps. I looked freaking beautiful on it.
 
RickyBlobby said:
EPI is not what I would call mild. It makes you feel like **** after a few weeks and it isn't from suppression, as I've run it with trest and felt the same thing I'd rather do tbol, then var, then halo, then epi. Because I don't like feeling like ****.
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I guess everyone responds different. Epi is very low sides for myself except when I got the flu on it... but you usually feel like crap with the flu.
 
Bintherduntht said:
Epi did absolutely nothing for me even up to 70mg a day. Not at 30, 60 etc.

Yes it was legit.
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Wow! That IS different. That's the first time I've heard that from anyone (I believe). Even guys like me who feel like crap on it, usually respond decently to a fairly large dosage.

Well.... we're all different.
 
Renew1 said:
Wow! That IS different. That's the first time I've heard that from anyone (I believe). Even guys like me who feel like crap on it, usually respond decently to a fairly large dosage.

Well.... we're all different.
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Yea I can take half the dose of injects, like 100mg a week of tren and just blow up, aggression etc.

Weird!
 
Renew1 said:
I know you've probably already answered this 100 times....how did you know it was legit?
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I don't mean to sound like a snob, but EVERYTHING I get is legit. I don't buy online. Everything from my guy from the past 8 years. He puts his name on it. He's very well known in his area.

But still, insomnia, wanting to **** any girl you see, want to fight all the time etc....
 
Bintherduntht said:
I don't mean to sound like a snob, but EVERYTHING I get is legit. I don't buy online. Everything from my guy from the past 8 years. He puts his name on it. He's very well known in his area.

But still, insomnia, wanting to **** any girl you see, want to fight all the time etc....
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You got those sides from the Epi?
 
AnabolicGuru said:
How was it legit if it did literally nothing?
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True.. even before the ban there were known bunk lots directly from ibe and rpn... iirc some reps on here would go back and verify at the time.. something with ibe white tops and black tops or something like that... was years ago when nutraplant was all the go to lol
 
mawalega said:
True.. even before the ban there were known bunk lots directly from ibe and rpn... iirc some reps on here would go back and verify at the time.. something with ibe white tops and black tops or something like that... was years ago when nutraplant was all the go to lol
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Yep...I remember something about that.
 
mawalega said:
True.. even before the ban there were known bunk lots directly from ibe and rpn... iirc some reps on here would go back and verify at the time.. something with ibe white tops and black tops or something like that... was years ago when nutraplant was all the go to lol
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Is it that hard to believe one guy can take a steroid and it will work and another can and it won't?

I know they were legit. I purposely tried many diff brands( I was a PH junkie) and they were legit. One of the guys is in prison now for selling the same ones after the ban.

He sold Sdrol hdrol epi max and that one below that has similar properties to winstrol. The bell pharm. If he was selling fake ****, would he be in the pen? It was his own brand. No copyright infringement if that's what you're thinking!

Here is Ergotropin.

Serving Size: 1 Capsule

Active ingredients
5-androstano[3,2-c]pyrazole-3-one-17ol-THP-ether: 30mg*
2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol: 35mg*

Recommended usage*
1 to 2 capsules daily. Do not exceed recommended dose, do not take longer than 4 weeks without an 8 week off period. Discount if any adverse reactions occure and consult a physician.*Invalid Link Removed
 
mawalega said:
True.. even before the ban there were known bunk lots directly from ibe and rpn... iirc some reps on here would go back and verify at the time.. something with ibe white tops and black tops or something like that... was years ago when nutraplant was all the go to lol
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And Mastedrol.

Yes I was dumb as shet when I was younger

Active ingredients
2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol: 30mg*
2a,17a-Di-Methyl-Etiocholan-3-One,17b-Ol: 35mg

Directions for use:*
2 to 3 capsules daily. Do not exceed recommended dose, do not take longer than 4 weeks without an 8 week off period. Discontinue if any adverse reactions occure and consult a physician.*

WTF? 35mg of Superdrol in 1 cap and they are recommending 2-3 a day? Most poeple top out at 20mg a day. Only advanced users go higher, and then, VERY few go over 30mg. Superdrol is can be very harsh and has a high occurence of sides. Take it at their bottle recommended dosage and you're getting 70 - 95mg a day. That's insane. There are easier, quicker, and less painful ways to die than liver and/or kidney failure.*

I can only hope this is a mistake. I can only find 2 places that have this for sale, and only one lists the ingredients. I copied the ingredients and dosage amounts right off the Bell Pharm web site.*

And on top of the Superdrol, they want you to add 60 - 90mg a day of Epistane. More insanity. People run 30mg x 4-5 weeks for VERY successful cycles and typically see 10 - 15 pounds of gain.

So you've got two strong (1 very strong) methylated prohormones (read: liver toxic) recommended at 2-4x the normal dosage used by most lifters.Invalid Link Removed
 
Not saying he was selling fake stuff. I'm saying legit products straight from the manufacturers were bunk. I'm just saying you could gotten a legit bottle from a bunk lot.
 
I just don’t see somebody taking 70mg of epistane and noticing no strength, drying out, joint pain, etc. I’d imagine that it would at least give you some benefits.
 
Who is taking 30mg epi for 4 weeks and routinely gaining 15lbs??

Try 8lbs in 6 weeks of 45-60mg maybe. Unless they’re just slopping the weight on, but I’m talking reasonably quality weight.
 
Hyde said:
Who is taking 30mg epi for 4 weeks and routinely gaining 15lbs??

Try 8lbs in 6 weeks of 45-60mg maybe. Unless they’re just slopping the weight on, but I’m talking reasonably quality weight.
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Are you talking about me? Because I’m not saying that it’s bunk if you don’t gain 15lbs lol. Im saying that if it was legit, you’d at least notice something (strength, lethargy, pumps, join pain, etc)
 
AnabolicGuru said:
Are you talking about me? Because I’m not saying that it’s bunk if you don’t gain 15lbs lol. Im saying that if it was legit, you’d at least notice something (strength, lethargy, pumps, join pain, etc)
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He wasn't referring to you. It was in bin's post. I agree though, not to rile anyone up, but at 70 mgs, even if you don't respond well to the compound, you'd experience some response.
 
Bintherduntht said:
Well believe it buddy.

Not everyone responds the same.

I'm tired of saying it! Lol. Damn guys.
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Years ago, I received medication from a Dr., Which immediately gave me an opposite reaction to what it was supposed to. I went back and told the Dr, my experience. He looked at me and said, "That's impossible".
Well, that Dr. got an ear full that day.
However, neither my initial relating of my experience, or the ear full made him change his mind that it was "impossible".
His education, the medicine trials, and his real world experiences told him that it was "impossible".
I don't understand how you could not experience "anything at all" from a high dose of Epistane. But I do know that sometimes, what seems to be impossible, isn't.
 
Renew1 said:
Years ago, I received medication from a Dr., Which immediately gave me an opposite reaction to what it was supposed to. I went back and told the Dr, my experience. He looked at me and said, "That's impossible".
Well, that Dr. got an ear full that day.
However, neither my initial relating of my experience, or the ear full made him change his mind that it was "impossible".
His education, the medicine trials, and his real world experiences told him that it was "impossible".
I don't understand how you could not experience "anything at all" from a high dose of Epistane. But I do know that sometimes, what seems to be impossible, isn't.
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What you had was a paradoxical reaction!
 
Renew1 said:
Years ago, I received medication from a Dr., Which immediately gave me an opposite reaction to what it was supposed to. I went back and told the Dr, my experience. He looked at me and said, "That's impossible".
Well, that Dr. got an ear full that day.
However, neither my initial relating of my experience, or the ear full made him change his mind that it was "impossible".
His education, the medicine trials, and his real world experiences told him that it was "impossible".
I don't understand how you could not experience "anything at all" from a high dose of Epistane. But I do know that sometimes, what seems to be impossible, isn't.
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I may have gotten a few sides, nothing I can remember
 
Bintherduntht said:
What you had was a paradoxical reaction!
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Yes, it was. But apparently the Dr had never seen one in regards to this medication, and also, it was supposed to be a medication that took a LONG time to take effect. So me telling him that it effected me in a few hours sounded preposterous.
But it was reality.
 
Bintherduntht said:
I may have gotten a few sides, nothing I can remember
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I would think you would get some sides or something at least, but I do believe you - drugs do effect people differently, and Epistane especially seemed to have wildly varying results for guys. I always got very strong and a bit of lean mass. Some guys got no strength but really put on weight with it, and some it just cut up.

60mg Epistane wasn’t a crazy dose...but I definitely wouldn’t be stacking it with high doses of Superdrol! Lol
 
I ran Epistane early on when I got a little older and more interested in AAS. Because I hadn’t touched anything in 3 years, fresh receptors. and was used to training natty, I absolutely loved the stuff. Ran it with no test, felt fantastic, lost several % bf, and put 8 extremely lean lbs on. I remember Hammer curling 65s on this stuff. And I’m a tall gangly mf...

Fast forward to 2017, blasting and cruising strong compounds, like Trest for 5 months straight, SD, Winny, higher test, multiple drugs at a time....... and then I ran NPP and some old M-LMG I had. LGI M-LMG I know for certain was legit, and my local source who I ran all his other drugs with no issues, I’m fairly certain the NPP was legit too. But for some strange reason, I gained NOTHING. I still to this day can’t explain it. I should have been carrying at least 10 extra lbs in glyc/water. But nothing. I’m never going to claim receptor saturation, bc I’ll get destroyed on here, but maybe after running stronger drugs for some time had a big impact on it, some variable that hasn’t made its way into forum dogma yet. I don’t know, but anytime someone says they took something with ZERO results, that 90% of everyone used with similar results, I just chalk it up to this: Sometimes your body just doesn’t respond to a drug. And the reason isn’t really well known...
 
Matthersby said:
I ran Epistane early on when I got a little older and more interested in AAS. Because I hadn’t touched anything in 3 years, fresh receptors. and was used to training natty, I absolutely loved the stuff. Ran it with no test, felt fantastic, lost several % bf, and put 8 extremely lean lbs on. I remember Hammer curling 65s on this stuff. And I’m a tall gangly mf...

Fast forward to 2017, blasting and cruising strong compounds, like Trest for 5 months straight, SD, Winny, higher test, multiple drugs at a time....... and then I ran NPP and some old M-LMG I had. LGI M-LMG I know for certain was legit, and my local source who I ran all his other drugs with no issues, I’m fairly certain the NPP was legit too. But for some strange reason, I gained NOTHING. I still to this day can’t explain it. I should have been carrying at least 10 extra lbs in glyc/water. But nothing. I’m never going to claim receptor saturation, bc I’ll get destroyed on here, but maybe after running stronger drugs for some time had a big impact on it, some variable that hasn’t made its way into forum dogma yet. I don’t know, but anytime someone says they took something with ZERO results, that 90% of everyone used with similar results, I just chalk it up to this: Sometimes your body just doesn’t respond to a drug. And the reason isn’t really well known...
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You didn't respond to the m-lmg or the npp?
 
And the weird part is, I’d ran them both before and I responded quite well to both. It could be something simple, like the fact I was on my feet at work every day and really burning calories, but I feel like I had been blasting compounds for too long and needed to cruise to give receptors a break. I’ll never be able to explain it, but I bet all the guys that got nothing out of a hormone, would get more out of it, if they ran it again under different circumstances.
 
Matthersby said:
And the weird part is, I’d ran them both before and I responded quite well to both. It could be something simple, like the fact I was on my feet at work every day and really burning calories, but I feel like I had been blasting compounds for too long and needed to cruise to give receptors a break. I’ll never be able to explain it, but I bet all the guys that got nothing out of a hormone, would get more out of it, if they ran it again under different circumstances.
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maybe the NPP was bunk....lol
 
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