Yeah I think 25mg/day clomid would be plenty. Maybe start at 12.5 and if you notice ball shrinkage adjust up from there. Var is easy on the HTPAAgreed, are you thinking maybe 25mg Var/50mg clomid ED for 8 weeks? Or perhaps clomid EOD?
Yeah I think 25mg/day clomid would be plenty. Maybe start at 12.5 and if you notice ball shrinkage adjust up from there. Var is easy on the HTPAAgreed, are you thinking maybe 25mg Var/50mg clomid ED for 8 weeks? Or perhaps clomid EOD?
Would you recommend Tbol for a first cycle for someone over what age?Yeah I think 25mg/day clomid would be plenty. Maybe start at 12.5 and if you notice ball shrinkage adjust up from there. Var is easy on the HTPA
Tbol would be a great first cycle. I would run it with trest, test, or at least clomid. Can be ran by itself too but you may start experiencing low testosterone symptoms. The general consensus is 25 years or older for anabolic compounds, but I don't really buy into it. I know tons of guys that have been cycling since 16 or so and they seem to recover fine. Not that I recommend it though, because it's hard to say how much damage you are doing to your reproductive system and you may want to err on the side of caution.Would you recommend Tbol for a first cycle for someone over what age?
I know some people will suggest running anavar or even low dose dianabol during PCT but this is not the time to do this.Opinions on running low dose anavar along with clomid?
Thanks for the insight and advice man, I really appreciate it for sure.Yeah I think 25mg/day clomid would be plenty. Maybe start at 12.5 and if you notice ball shrinkage adjust up from there. Var is easy on the HTPA
Yeah I would definitely run it with a test base, most likely test. Still I wonder how you think sarms like RAD140 and LGD compare for side effects with beginner anabolics like Anavar and Tbol? I mean, do you think there is more suppression with those sarms than easier going steroids? Yup I agree man, I have friends who have run Anadrol at 19 and their HPTA is fine.. But you never know. I'd worry about being hypogonadal by the time I'm 30 haha. Even with a serm in pct, there's a chance of permanent damage. Don't you think?Tbol would be a great first cycle. I would run it with trest, test, or at least clomid. Can be ran by itself too but you may start experiencing low testosterone symptoms. The general consensus is 25 years or older for anabolic compounds, but I don't really buy into it. I know tons of guys that have been cycling since 16 or so and they seem to recover fine. Not that I recommend it though, because it's hard to say how much damage you are doing to your reproductive system and you may want to err on the side of caution.
I would still advise you to have some sort of a test base at hand. Like test prop, to get e2 and dht levels quickly up if you get shutt down.Thanks for the insight and advice man, I really appreciate it for sure.
I think, if you can avoid shutdown by using a SERM then your chances of HTPA damage are minimized. I think the damage occurs while you are shut down. The SERM thing seems to work for some but not for others though.Yeah I would definitely run it with a test base, most likely test. Still I wonder how you think sarms like RAD140 and LGD compare for side effects with beginner anabolics like Anavar and Tbol? I mean, do you think there is more suppression with those sarms than easier going steroids? Yup I agree man, I have friends who have run Anadrol at 19 and their HPTA is fine.. But you never know. I'd worry about being hypogonadal by the time I'm 30 haha. Even with a serm in pct, there's a chance of permanent damage. Don't you think?
Is that likely to occur if I’m on 25% the Anavar dose of some and I’m running 25-50mg clomid ED?I would still advise you to have some sort of a test base at hand. Like test prop, to get e2 and dht levels quickly up if you get shutt down.
He tested the SERM on cycle theory and it didn't work for him (nolva not clomid) so he may be a little biased. But if you have the funds it cant hurt to have a little test on hand just in case. I am pretty certain though that the clomid will keep your HTPA up and running.Is that likely to occur if I’m on 25% the Anavar dose of some and I’m running 25-50mg clomid ED?
If ran 3x longer then a normal cycle it's not a waste. But just running it for 4 to 6 weeks... yeah that would be a waste. 25mg for 2 or 3 months is what I would do.Chicks take 25mg Var dude, that is a waste considering the cost. If you arent going to run 50/60-100mg then don't bother. I've ran 75mg Var with DMZ and sides were non-existant besides horrible shin pumps
Yeah that was my thought process. Obviously 4 weeks @25mg would be a waste of money and time. But over 2-3 months I was thinking it might be decent. Keep in mind that my main objective is to give a slight boost to my recomp/cut efforts. I have wasted so much on “natty anabolics” and I’m essentially just trying to improve on those, which won’t take much, without a super high risk of shutdown.If ran 3x longer then a normal cycle it's not a waste. But just running it for 4 to 6 weeks... yeah that would be a waste. 25mg for 2 or 3 months is what I would do.
Honestly I recall taking aee/oee 10 years ago before bed, and 3500 aakg before training and my strength shot up like insane.Yeah it is a lot, I guess he was using other supplements to boost MK's effect even higher. Arginine and ornithine with Choline around taking MK had a big effect it seems. What peptide stacks would you recommend for muscle growth? Except MGF and IGF themselves, and cjc dac w/ ghrp
That right there isn’t an awful idea man. I’d probably add in the small dose of dbol about 4 weeks in. That should let me accurately gauge how I’m responding to the var, thoughts?Why dont you run both...anavar is so mild I think you could get away with it...esp considering you're not really going to look a whole lot bigger on var. Granted my muscles look pumped ASF like DMZ type retention on var. Freaking love it, so addicting, Jeesum
Hey thanks for the insight bud. I’m finishing up my remaining “natty anabolics” aka waste of money and then I’ll give it a goI just think off 25mg var it is going to be hard how much it is doing. I have done 25mg but only for a week. You can feel it really starting to work at 50mg on up (assuming you dont have real RX). I've done Var and Dmz, and dmz has to be a whole lot more toxic than Dbol so I really think youd be fine and sounds like a good idea.
ALCAR and clenbuterol. You will have to cycle the clenbuterol a couple weeks on/ a couple weeks offOut of curiosity, what would other compounds be other than anavar that could be run low dose for a longer period of time for a recomp or cut? Thanks again y’all!
That makes sense, thanks for elaborating on that. Looks like anavar it is for sure thenIt's hard to beat anavar when cutting. If you're ALREADY ripped, winny can make your physique more grainy and detailed. But risk vs reward.....Anavar wins hands down, unless, as said you are already ripped.
I' not sure how serious you are about pulsing, but I have heard about a non-suppressive cycle. Suppression occurs due to AR binding and estrogenic effects on the hypothalmus… block those and there'd be no suppression. Taking 4AD w/ a serm could leave no suppression. There's an article about this somewhere. Also for anyone else reading, Proviron is SUPPRSSIVE... it's DHTLOL at people suggesting SARMs and even Halo for a NON SUPPRESSIVE cycle. People c'mon, don't give out such misinformation. All sarms suppress. In meaningful doses they shutdown. Halo lol...
Try pulsing dbol. Just on workout days. That probably wont shut you down. Or try test suspension also just preworkout. But keep in mind, pharmacokinetics differ from person to person. So what works for some might not for others. Also low dose primo 200 to 400 probably wont shut you down. I would go with primo + serm or var + serm.
And if I had money Mk677 + 6mg's cjc dac e5d.
If this was true, everyone would run a serm during cycle.I' not sure how serious you are about pulsing, but I have heard about a non-suppressive cycle. Suppression occurs due to AR binding and estrogenic effects on the hypothalmus… block those and there'd be no suppression. Taking 4AD w/ a serm could leave no suppression. There's an article about this somewhere. Also for anyone else reading, Proviron is SUPPRSSIVE... it's DHT
That sounds pretty expensive. I hope it’s going to be worth it. You said your body won’t be changing at 20-30 mg, why even run it? If your going to run something, make it worth it! I’d hate for you to spend the money on it and in the end not say it was worth it.The dbol pulsing idea is a tempting one as well. And I really appreciate people offering different opinions/ideas/etc. it’s helped me view things in various ways and from different angles. I think the general consensus is low dose anavar for 8-10 weeks. I’ll be running clomid along side it in an attempt to reduce the odds of shutdown. It will certainly be interesting to see how it goes though. I know that the effects won’t be drastic and my body won’t be changing daily at 20-30 mg, but I’m hoping that it’s enough to give even just a slight boost to my recomp over a lengthy period. A very subtle effect that occurs for 2-3 months may result in a noticeable change from start to finish that I wouldn’t see from just the junk natty anabolics.
yeah, this idea keeps resurfacing here....If this was true, everyone would run a serm during cycle.
Valid point but just in terms of cost it wouldn’t be nearly as expensive as running a normal dose right? Running say 80-100mg/day for say 6 weeks will be significantly more expensive than 20-30mg/day for say 8 weeks. Btw in no way am I making cost a deciding factor. At the end of the day it’s just about expediting a recomp compared to running natty anabolics. Which based on my experience, natty anabolics can probably be topped by simply looking at var lolThat sounds pretty expensive. I hope it’s going to be worth it. You said your body won’t be changing at 20-30 mg, why even run it? If your going to run something, make it worth it! I’d hate for you to spend the money on it and in the end not say it was worth it.
Good luck to whatever you do, and keep us posted on the clomid during the cycle. I’d like to see how that goes. Are you doing bloods?
Interesting, I guess I’m just uneducated on what S23 even is so I figured stick to something I know. But that’s definitely worth looking into. I appreciate the insight bud!I could be wrong here but I think running anavar at 30 mg a day for 8 weeks would be less effective then running S23 at 30 mg for the same amount of time. Somebody is logging 30 mg S23 right now and he’s up 10 lbs and down at least 2% body fat and the only workout he’s done lately is hammer curling beers up to his lips.
There was a study, I know It wasn't very long, but when injected with double the normal amount of test, estrogen and DHT they could not get LH to drop while the test subjects were taking clomid. So yeah, there is SOME science behind it. And if it can eliminate estrogen sides on cycle too, why not give it a go. (torem preferably)1. serms take care of the estrogen negative feedback loop. They don't do anytging about the androgen negative feedback loop. That's why it can help with small amounts of not the most suppressive compounds ie. var, primo. It wont work with test, etc.
2. Proviron does not shutdown nor does it suppress in doses up to 150mg's. This has been debated and studied ad nauseam. Google it for F's sake.
They injected TEST, E2 and DHT? Please post source of this.There was a study, I know It wasn't very long, but when injected with double the normal amount of test, estrogen and DHT they could not get LH to drop while the test subjects were taking clomid. So yeah, there is SOME science behind it. And if it can eliminate estrogen sides on cycle too, why not give it a go. (torem preferably)
And the clear evidence that it can make testosterone go from 750 to over 1,000 shows that it works in the presence of testosterone. What is unclear is how much testosterone it takes to overpower it. It worked with 50mg dbol, and dbol is quite suppressive, if not completely suppressive, at that dose.
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