This. Absolutely. And then the placebo effect expands when you hear how “awesome” this product was for others. And I know multiple people who didn’t respond to vector, and those are ones that also controlled all other variables. If the product didn’t have such a strong appetite spike to it then I’d believe it did something maybe. But a lot of people who have ran it noted a significant increase in appetite. So don’t tell me that their gains in muscle, strength, recovery, etc. were from the compounds in vector. I need to look up the ingredients again but off the top of my head I can’t recall any ingredient proven in a controlled study IN HUMANS. Don’t talk to me about rat or mouse studies. As a scientist that’s a joke to be honest. At first I gained a little strength and weight, but that was because I craved food and increased calories. Once I got that under control after about a week and returned to my controlled constant diet then I noticed absolutely nothing at all. Few people want to say it on here but in general natty anabolics are simply junk and a waste of money. I used to LOVE the idea of them. What could be better? They’re legal, they dice you up, they make you super strong, they don’t affect hormones, they’re safe, etc. well that’s wishful thinking and in general some of those are mutually exclusive in my opinion. Take a look at the solutions current log of major gains. Anyone who controlled all variables has noticed no significant benefit with that “military grade natty anabolic”