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Blast: Trestolone Acetate + Testosterone + Superdrol + LGD / Hairygrandpa blowing up!

Ever get those cramps in your sleep? Every once in a while my legs cramp up while im sleeping and its not just once but the whole night sometimes several nights in a row. Its awful. Its not just like a little discomfort its more like "HOLY SH!T! WTF! IS THIS HOW IT ENDS? AM I DYING?" There's gotta be something behind it but i cant figure it out lol
I get those sleep cramps when I'm on keto and I'm not supplementing for potassium and magnesium. Are you doing a low-carb diet perhaps or is there another reason that you would be deficient in electrolytes?

1g of potassium before bed and 500mg of magnesium at some other point in the day clears it up for me.
 
Arms day

Did all isolation exercises, because elbow acted up. Got a skin splitting pump going.
 
Ever get those cramps in your sleep? Every once in a while my legs cramp up while im sleeping and its not just once but the whole night sometimes several nights in a row. Its awful. Its not just like a little discomfort its more like "HOLY SH!T! WTF! IS THIS HOW IT ENDS? AM I DYING?" There's gotta be something behind it but i cant figure it out lol

I get those sometimes in my calves while sleeping, jump up fall down try to walk it off very painful !!
 
I was also going to say that more often than not cramps have to do with not having your electrolytes in balance.
 
I was also going to say that more often than not cramps have to do with not having your electrolytes in balance.
I've have found, while do some blood test in the lab, that most everyone is quite low on potassium, and a little low on magnesium. I actually notice that the potassium levels were worse in people who were fit with healthier diets.
 
Cycle update / Day 32

3 days ago my left nipple started aching. I upped letro and ralox to no avail.
So I ditched trest. Implemented cardarine at 20mg/d to get my lipids in range for the upcoming t-bol cut/recomp.

Today, pain in nipple got better -but a small lump formed. Will keep taking 50mg ralox/day and switch from letro to 0.5 adex eod, to not crush e2 too hard.

Cycle as of today is:

-350mg test/w
-12.5mg LGD/d
-50mg Ralox/d
-adex 0.5mg/eod
-20mg cardarine/d

What I learned is:
-Trest ace aromatizes into a methyl-estrogen that's very difficult to control. Ralox at 15mg/d was not enough to safeguard against gyno, even with low dosage of trest (10mg/d). Letro has apparently only a small impact on "methyl estrogen". Daily 1mg of letro did not crush -or lower e2 enough to prevent gyno (one explication could be my letro is fake -but I also tried 1mg pharma adex/d without success.)
Will try again with a higher dose of ralox in future. This time pre-loading ralox for a week at 120mg/d before starting trest.

-S-drol at 20mg can be tolerated by me for only 4 weeks, after that cramps, lethargy and overall ill feeling sets in.

I am somewhat disappointed. Trest is awesome and I wished I could use it longer -but after 3 weeks the estro-trouble starts. Maybe I should use it in short cycles, as it kicks in relative quickly.
Sdrol kicked in late for me (week 2), almost everyone else is claiming that you can feel it after a few days.
 
Gym

Had not much time, short but aggressive session:

Incline press machine
320lbs x6
285lbs x9/8/6

Pendlay rows (singles) Ez-bar
200lbs x16/14/12

DB Hex press, flat
2x65lbs x 10/8/10

Dips
9/12

seated row narrow grip
265lbs x14
235lbs x11/11/8 (holding 1 sec)

cable flies up to 2x62lbs
4 sets
 
Cycle update / Day 32

3 days ago my left nipple started aching. I upped letro and ralox to no avail.
So I ditched trest. Implemented cardarine at 20mg/d to get my lipids in range for the upcoming t-bol cut/recomp.

Today, pain in nipple got better -but a small lump formed. Will keep taking 50mg ralox/day and switch from letro to 0.5 adex eod, to not crush e2 too hard.

Cycle as of today is:

-350mg test/w
-12.5mg LGD/d
-50mg Ralox/d
-adex 0.5mg/eod
-20mg cardarine/d

What I learned is:
-Trest ace aromatizes into a methyl-estrogen that's very difficult to control. Ralox at 15mg/d was not enough to safeguard against gyno, even with low dosage of trest (10mg/d). Letro has apparently only a small impact on "methyl estrogen". Daily 1mg of letro did not crush -or lower e2 enough to prevent gyno (one explication could be my letro is fake -but I also tried 1mg pharma adex/d without success.)
Will try again with a higher dose of ralox in future. This time pre-loading ralox for a week at 120mg/d before starting trest.

-S-drol at 20mg can be tolerated by me for only 4 weeks, after that cramps, lethargy and overall ill feeling sets in.

I am somewhat disappointed. Trest is awesome and I wished I could use it longer -but after 3 weeks the estro-trouble starts. Maybe I should use it in short cycles, as it kicks in relative quickly.
Sdrol kicked in late for me (week 2), almost everyone else is claiming that you can feel it after a few days.
Pregnenolone may also help prevent trest gyno. As its gyno issues is not purely estrogen based (even though estrogen is ridiculous on it). Its also has progesterone activity. So adding pregnenolone which converts to progesterone, which will bind to the receptor and in theory be a weaker binding agent then trest; thus making it less likely to get gyno. Topical iodine might also help, proviron will definitely help, and starting with a higher dose of ralox to begin with like i told you to.

Also its not the methyl estrogen the letro cant help with. It is the 19nor compounds. As they are not reduced to estrogen via aromatase, like normal. Rather it is through alternative enzymes. Trest is just worse than other 19nors, with estrogen sides, because it is methylated.
 
Pregnenolone may also help prevent trest gyno. As its gyno issues is not purely estrogen based (even though estrogen is ridiculous on it). Its also has progesterone activity. So adding pregnenolone which converts to progesterone, which will bind to the receptor and in theory be a weaker binding agent then trest; thus making it less likely to get gyno. Topical iodine might also help, proviron will definitely help, and starting with a higher dose of ralox to begin with like i told you to.

Also its not the methyl estrogen the letro cant help with. It is the 19nor compounds. As they are not reduced to estrogen via aromatase, like normal. Rather it is through alternative enzymes. Trest is just worse than other 19nors, with estrogen sides, because it is methylated.

Yes, I hear you. As for using a DHT based PED, wouldn't it be a good idea to use epistane instead of proviron? Last time epistane crashed my estrogen until my knees were fugged up -but, together with trest, it could work well for me.
I used inhibit-P to control prolactin, maybe I should use caber next time.
Anyway, the gyno sides were very similar to the sides I got from NPP, indicating that 19-nor is the stuff I have to be cautious with, damnit.
 
Pregnenolone may also help prevent trest gyno. As its gyno issues is not purely estrogen based (even though estrogen is ridiculous on it). Its also has progesterone activity. So adding pregnenolone which converts to progesterone, which will bind to the receptor and in theory be a weaker binding agent then trest; thus making it less likely to get gyno. Topical iodine might also help, proviron will definitely help, and starting with a higher dose of ralox to begin with like i told you to.

Also its not the methyl estrogen the letro cant help with. It is the 19nor compounds. As they are not reduced to estrogen via aromatase, like normal. Rather it is through alternative enzymes. Trest is just worse than other 19nors, with estrogen sides, because it is methylated.
Also the lgd and superdrol wothout a doubt were making things worse too. If you want to run trest again i would run a simpler stack.
Something like

Trest: 300mg a week

Masteron:500mg a week (or proviron at 50-75mg a day)

Ralox:60mg a day

Adex: .5mg daily

Dermacrine: @ recommend dosages

No test nor other compounds involved.
 
Cycle update / Day 32

3 days ago my left nipple started aching. I upped letro and ralox to no avail.
So I ditched trest. Implemented cardarine at 20mg/d to get my lipids in range for the upcoming t-bol cut/recomp.

Today, pain in nipple got better -but a small lump formed. Will keep taking 50mg ralox/day and switch from letro to 0.5 adex eod, to not crush e2 too hard.

Cycle as of today is:

-350mg test/w
-12.5mg LGD/d
-50mg Ralox/d
-adex 0.5mg/eod
-20mg cardarine/d

What I learned is:
-Trest ace aromatizes into a methyl-estrogen that's very difficult to control. Ralox at 15mg/d was not enough to safeguard against gyno, even with low dosage of trest (10mg/d). Letro has apparently only a small impact on "methyl estrogen". Daily 1mg of letro did not crush -or lower e2 enough to prevent gyno (one explication could be my letro is fake -but I also tried 1mg pharma adex/d without success.)
Will try again with a higher dose of ralox in future. This time pre-loading ralox for a week at 120mg/d before starting trest.

-S-drol at 20mg can be tolerated by me for only 4 weeks, after that cramps, lethargy and overall ill feeling sets in.

I am somewhat disappointed. Trest is awesome and I wished I could use it longer -but after 3 weeks the estro-trouble starts. Maybe I should use it in short cycles, as it kicks in relative quickly.
Sdrol kicked in late for me (week 2), almost everyone else is claiming that you can feel it after a few days.

I have a theory here.. whenever you use orals especially and add in another oral later in the cycle it will lose a lot of its potency cause your body has already been growing massive during that time compared to when you started (cause orals are faster acting)

This is especially true with bulking steroids. I used tbol and switched to drol which is stronger by a landslide and I gained so little from the drol even at 100mg.. note that this was back in the days when I really wasn't as big as I am now. I find that one that will really make a noticible difference is winstrol and this isn't because of the growing factor but rather that it takes away a ton of water.


Also once kickstarted with sdrol and finnished with winstrol. Same here, didn't get any size from winstrol which I normally do, just got rid of water.

I think the lgd mixed with trest gave you muscle/water and quick strenght and sd has to be ran for a while before you notice the gains and they won't be as great from this compound as if you ran it solo as a kicker.

( don't mean sd is a slow gainer just when it's not used as a mainbuilder from the start)
 
I have a theory here.. whenever you use orals especially and add in another oral later in the cycle it will lose a lot of its potency cause your body has already been growing massive during that time compared to when you started (cause orals are faster acting)

This is especially true with bulking steroids. I used tbol and switched to drol which is stronger by a landslide and I gained so little from the drol even at 100mg.. note that this was back in the days when I really wasn't as big as I am now. I find that one that will really make a noticible difference is winstrol and this isn't because of the growing factor but rather that it takes away a ton of water.


Also once kickstarted with sdrol and finnished with winstrol. Same here, didn't get any size from winstrol which I normally do, just got rid of water.

I think the lgd mixed with trest gave you muscle/water and quick strenght and sd has to be ran for a while before you notice the gains and they won't be as great from this compound as if you ran it solo as a kicker.

( don't mean sd is a slow gainer just when it's not used as a mainbuilder from the start)
Well the diminishing gains on cycle, especially strong orals, is more to do with a massive increase myostatin than anything else.
 
I have a theory here.. whenever you use orals especially and add in another oral later in the cycle it will lose a lot of its potency cause your body has already been growing massive during that time compared to when you started (cause orals are faster acting)

This is especially true with bulking steroids. I used tbol and switched to drol which is stronger by a landslide and I gained so little from the drol even at 100mg.. note that this was back in the days when I really wasn't as big as I am now. I find that one that will really make a noticible difference is winstrol and this isn't because of the growing factor but rather that it takes away a ton of water.


Also once kickstarted with sdrol and finnished with winstrol. Same here, didn't get any size from winstrol which I normally do, just got rid of water.

I think the lgd mixed with trest gave you muscle/water and quick strenght and sd has to be ran for a while before you notice the gains and they won't be as great from this compound as if you ran it solo as a kicker.

( don't mean sd is a slow gainer just when it's not used as a mainbuilder from the start)

I think somewhat similar. Keep in mind we all react differently. I lactated on a moderate dose of NPP -others not on humongous dosages. In general I think, there are physiological limits of how much you can grow. That's why my dosages are nowadays fairly conservative.
I felt like I could have grown much more if I wouldn't have cut the cycle short because of sides.
At one point I thought: "Fugg it, I'll continue on trest and get rid of the gyno afterwards." LOL.
 
I think somewhat similar. Keep in mind we all react differently. I lactated on a moderate dose of NPP -others not on humongous dosages. In general I think, there are physiological limits of how much you can grow. That's why my dosages are nowadays fairly conservative.
I felt like I could have grown much more if I wouldn't have cut the cycle short because of sides.
At one point I thought: "Fugg it, I'll continue on trest and get rid of the gyno afterwards." LOL.

Haha.. hey what is your goal with the dht? Help with something or keep the cycle cleaner?
 
Haha.. hey what is your goal with the dht? Help with something or keep the cycle cleaner?

It frees test by lowering SHBG and it lowers e2, also it may help with bloat from wet roids.
rtmilburn , You missed my question above. Epistane has a pronounced e2 lowering effect (for me especially) and is DHT based.Wouldn't it be a good addition to trest? Obviously keeping in mind that epistane is methylated, using it as the only oral.
 
Yes, I hear you. As for using a DHT based PED, wouldn't it be a good idea to use epistane instead of proviron? Last time epistane crashed my estrogen until my knees were fugged up -but, together with trest, it could work well for me.
I used inhibit-P to control prolactin, maybe I should use caber next time.
Anyway, the gyno sides were very similar to the sides I got from NPP, indicating that 19-nor is the stuff I have to be cautious with, damnit.
Yes and not. Epistane also has progesterone activity, proviron does not. So while epistane may crash e2 it can cause gyno througb progesterone or prolactin.
 
It frees test by lowering SHBG and it lowers e2, also it may help with bloat from wet roids.
rtmilburn , You missed my question above. Epistane has a pronounced e2 lowering effect (for me especially) and is DHT based.Wouldn't it be a good addition to trest? Obviously keeping in mind that epistane is methylated, using it as the only oral.
I just saw it. And responded
 
Yes and not. Epistane also has progesterone activity, proviron does not. So while epistane may crash e2 it can cause gyno througb progesterone or prolactin.

Ah! Thank you, I did not know that! Proviron/Masteron is the best choice, as you wrote in your cycle layout. Will probably try it next time.

The good thing is, ralox works very well for me to get rid of gyno, at least AFTER a cycle. I have the balls to try again...and again...and again (until I'm big as a barn) :)
 
It frees test by lowering SHBG and it lowers e2, also it may help with bloat from wet roids.
rtmilburn , You missed my question above. Epistane has a pronounced e2 lowering effect (for me especially) and is DHT based.Wouldn't it be a good addition to trest? Obviously keeping in mind that epistane is methylated, using it as the only oral.

Yeah but the goal is shbg mainly? Masteron is great here but Its on the expensive side though and I feel it's much better on a cut. Just not sure it's worth the money with trest to cut the water of that makes sense.. basically to make a visible difference on the cycle
 
Yeah but the goal is shbg mainly? Masteron is great here but Its on the expensive side though and I feel it's much better on a cut. Just not sure it's worth the money with trest to cut the water of that makes sense.. basically to make a visible difference on the cycle
SHBG is not the goal with trest.
Trest does not raise SHBG, as far as I know. Masteron is nowadays used in bulk cycles, especially with tren. It diminishes tren sides (insomnia, night sweats) by ways that are not completely understood. It may do the same for trest sides, worth a try, IMHO.
 
Yeah but the goal is shbg mainly? Masteron is great here but Its on the expensive side though and I feel it's much better on a cut. Just not sure it's worth the money with trest to cut the water of that makes sense.. basically to make a visible difference on the cycle
Masteron has its role in almost every cycle. Its just gets overshadowed by stronger compounds and doesnt show its how great it is until super lean. However, it does not mean it cannot benefit form cns activity it has, prosexual aspects, lowering shbg, minimizing negatives from progesterone and estrogen activity, its ability to increase lipolysis, increase dopamine, etc, etc.
 
SHBG is not the goal with trest.
Trest does not raise SHBG, as far as I know. Masteron is nowadays used in bulk cycles, especially with tren. It diminishes tren sides (insomnia, night sweats) by ways that are not completely understood. It may do the same for trest sides, worth a try, IMHO.

Yes with tren it definitely works but tren is completly opposite to trest. Tren is clean and trest bloats.

Winstrol is the strongest to lower shbg I believe and it cuts water more than any other steroid. Could probably be used at low dosage to prevent sides and perhaps be ran with mast and trest?
 
SHBG is not the goal with trest.
Trest does not raise SHBG, as far as I know. Masteron is nowadays used in bulk cycles, especially with tren. It diminishes tren sides (insomnia, night sweats) by ways that are not completely understood. It may do the same for trest sides, worth a try, IMHO.
Probably has alot to do with the increase in d2 activity with masteron. There is other i can go into but im tired.
 
Masteron has its role in almost every cycle. Its just gets overshadowed by stronger compounds and doesnt show its how great it is until super lean. However, it does not mean it cannot benefit form cns activity it has, prosexual aspects, lowering shbg, minimizing negatives from progesterone and estrogen activity, its ability to increase lipolysis, increase dopamine, etc, etc.

Yes I'm more worried about the price here.. if you run it with tren it's awesome, trest I'm not completly sold on but could be wrong..
 
Yes with tren it definitely works but tren is completly opposite to trest. Tren is clean and trest bloats.

Winstrol is the strongest to lower shbg I believe and it cuts water more than any other steroid. Could probably be used at low dosage to prevent sides and perhaps be ran with mast and trest?

Yep, wini is a option to try.
 
Yes I'm more worried about the price here.. if you run it with tren it's awesome, trest I'm not completly sold on but could be wrong..

Price for both: Proviron and Masteron is not user friendly, even here in bananaland.
 
Masteron has its role in almost every cycle. Its just gets overshadowed by stronger compounds and doesnt show its how great it is until super lean. However, it does not mean it cannot benefit form cns activity it has, prosexual aspects, lowering shbg, minimizing negatives from progesterone and estrogen activity, its ability to increase lipolysis, increase dopamine, etc, etc.
Its very synergistic... I believe its also very versatile and adapts to whatever compounds your using along with goals (cut, bulk role recomp). It just makes whatever your using better and enhances it. It does work w bulking and works well. In my experience it conditions the muscle as your growing a little better than without it. This has been my experience anyway.
 
Its very synergistic... I believe its also very versatile and adapts to whatever compounds your using along with goals (cut, bulk role recomp). It just makes whatever your using and enhances it. It does work w bulking and works well. In my experience it conditions the muscle as your growing a little better than without it.
Agreed.
 
Yes but then you run into the possibility of progesterone activity with winni too, and with tren or trest that could be a big problem.

Considering everything said. I will use proviron/masteron with my next trest run, also pregnenolone and ralox. Even if nipple-geddon happens, I just cut the cycle short. Tren ace is quick out of the system. I'm lucky that I couldn't get trest enanthate -but I tried, LOL.
 
Considering everything said. I will use proviron/masteron with my next trest run, also pregnenolone and ralox. Even if nipple-geddon happens, I just cut the cycle short. Tren ace is quick out of the system. I'm lucky that I couldn't get trest enanthate -but I tried, LOL.
Haha short ester is always smart when trying something new.
 
Can you get andractim at a pharmacy there? Its a dht gel and should suffice; it wont be as good as mast or proviron, but will still be fine.

Never heard of it -but I'm not optimistic that they have it. How about Anavar? Does it affect progesterone?

Edit: Asking because its similar priced to proviron here.
 
Considering everything said. I will use proviron/masteron with my next trest run, also pregnenolone and ralox. Even if nipple-geddon happens, I just cut the cycle short. Tren ace is quick out of the system. I'm lucky that I couldn't get trest enanthate -but I tried, LOL.
It still may cause a problem but this time you will know there is nothing more you could have done to prevent the sides and can see the true potential of trest
 
Never heard of it -but I'm not optimistic that they have it. How about Anavar? Does it affect progesterone?
I have no idea on progesterone activity with it, but its not optimal for minimizing estrogen activity. It is great for displacing corticosteroids such as cortisol though.
 
Seems that i was wrong. Winnie may be effective for this. Liver and joints may hate for a 12 week cycle though.

Personally my fingers are cracking a bit at 40mg ed but it does away shortly after cycle. Apparently the dosage for progesterone is in the 25mg range which isn't very high but will certainly give results. I can't speak for joints at this dosage though and everyones different.
 
Seems that i was wrong. Winnie may be effective for this. Liver and joints may hate for a 12 week cycle though.

In that case the future cycle would look like:

-150mg/w test/u (does not want to go without, as it is my TRT and the undecanoate takes weeks to get stable)
-20mg/d trest ace
-75mg/d-100mg/d proviron (3x25mg or 2x 50mg)
-20mg winstrol/d (is this enough?)
-pregnenolone
-0.5mg/d adex
-60mg/d ralox (preloading at 120mg for a week to tap all receptors before using trest)

Not opting for masteron here to avoid pinning, proviron should do.

Is that sound?
 
In that case the future cycle would look like:

-150mg/w test/u (does not want to go without, as it is my TRT and the undecanoate takes weeks to get stable)
-20mg/d trest ace
-75mg/d-100mg/d proviron (3x25mg or 2x 50mg)
-20mg winstrol/d (is this enough?)
-pregnenolone
-0.5mg/d adex
-60mg/d ralox (preloading at 120mg for a week to tap all receptors before using trest)

Not opting for masteron here to avoid pinning, proviron should do.

Is that sound?
Looks good other than i wouldnt not use winnie. Proviron should be enough. You can if you want, as i wont hurt the cycle, but i think it may be a bit of a hassle and extra cost.
 
In that case the future cycle would look like:

-150mg/w test/u (does not want to go without, as it is my TRT and the undecanoate takes weeks to get stable)
-20mg/d trest ace
-75mg/d-100mg/d proviron (3x25mg or 2x 50mg)
-20mg winstrol/d (is this enough?)
-pregnenolone
-0.5mg/d adex
-60mg/d ralox (preloading at 120mg for a week to tap all receptors before using trest)

Not opting for masteron here to avoid pinning, proviron should do.

Is that sound?

It says winstrol about 50mg eod which would be 25mg ed. I don't think 20 would be bad though and since you're lowering trest and adding proviron you hopefully should be good. Are you switching to this now? Or for next cycle?
 
Yeah but winstrol is a great compound though :)
Yes it is. One of the best strength compunds there is and lean mass thats hard as a rock too. But 12 weeks of it seems rough, especially with hpgs joint problems and old age ;) it may be rough for him
 
It says winstrol about 50mg eod which would be 25mg ed. I don't think 20 would be bad though and since you're lowering trest and adding proviron you hopefully should be good. Are you switching to this now? Or for next cycle?

Yes it is. One of the best strength compunds there is and lean mass thats hard as a rock too. But 12 weeks of it seems rough, especially with hpgs joint problems and old age ;) it may be rough for him

Nah, not now. First I have to lick my wounds (nipples). Next cycle is not 12 weeks, it will be as long as my nipples allow (maybe 8 weeks?).
 
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