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Clomid during cycle

Hyde said:
Thoughts: put the 12.5mg var days on the 2 weeks of overlap with Cerberus so you can finish on 25. The body is less responsive to hormonal stimulus as time passes, so we never decrease dosage as time goes on - this is wasted time on cycle. It’s like watching a fireworks display where you become desensitized to the display as it progresses so more firepower is needed to wow. Always put your biggest guns at the end.

I actually do need a tidbit of AI on 4andro, but the tamoxifen should manage that just fine. Anavar doesn’t aromatizes so unless the tamoxifen isn’t enough to manage the bit of 4andro somehow there is no need for an AI in this cycle. I’d start the tamoxifen from day one to keep LH high as possible from the start.

Also consider Epiandro competes with estrogen for the receptor space the way masteron does, further reducing the need for an AI.
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This except i might add that i would actually start tamoxifen a week before the cycle starts. That way you reach full saturated before you start the supressive coumpounds.
 
rtmilburn said:
This except i might add that i would actually start tamoxifen a week before the cycle starts. That way you reach full saturated before you start the supressive coumpounds.
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Already started the cycle... And I also started tamox based on yours combined brain power :)
 
RickyBlobby said:
SO torem elevates liver enzymes 5 to 20% above normal, right. I think avoiding HTPA shutdown/ damage is more important than slightly elevated enzymes on an organ that can regenerate itself from major damage. That's just me.
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okay.

but you have yet to prove that tore will prevent HPTA suppression... you're just hoping that it will minimize it.




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CatSnake said:
okay.

but you have yet to prove that tore will prevent HPTA suppression... you're just hoping that it will minimize it.




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Go away troll. Obviously you haven't read the entire thread.
 
Apparently you want someone to conduct a study running clomid alongside 500mg test for 12 weeks before you will buy into this. But guess what, no one is going to fund a study like that, so you have to come to your own conclusions. My T level was in normal range after 10 weeks of heavy steroid usage. Spurfy has had bloodwork done more than once with the same results. Several other forum members reported normal testicle size during cycle and much easier recovery after, meaning the pituitary WAS releasing LH and FSH in sufficient quantities.

Then you have at least 2 studies verifying LH suppression is nonexistent during clomid therapy.

Anyone with a half a brain can come to a well educated conclusion as to whether or not it works.

I will not entertain your ignorance on this matter any more.
 
Would adding in 4andro on a DMZ cycle be fine if you use Torem throughout the cycle? Or would an AI be needed still?
 
I only have a basic understanding of 4andro, but I can tell you that low dose trest + AI would blow 4andro out of the water. 10mg-15mg a day I'm talking.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Apparently you want someone to conduct a study running clomid alongside 500mg test for 12 weeks before you will buy into this. But guess what, no one is going to fund a study like that, so you have to come to your own conclusions. My T level was in normal range after 10 weeks of heavy steroid usage. Spurfy has had bloodwork done more than once with the same results. Several other forum members reported normal testicle size during cycle and much easier recovery after, meaning the pituitary WAS releasing LH and FSH in sufficient quantities.

Then you have at least 2 studies verifying LH suppression is nonexistent during clomid therapy.

Anyone with a half a brain can come to a well educated conclusion as to whether or not it works.

I will not entertain your ignorance on this matter any more.
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Lol....

Spurfy has never posted bloods, yours were incomplete and the Clomid studies were 4 Days long.

Good try, tho.
 
NEXT
 
RickyBlobby said:
Go away troll. Obviously you haven't read the entire thread.
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I don’t think Catsnake is trolling; he keeps posting studies to make an argument; you name calling (calling him a troll) isn’t a good look, it shows he got under your skin and honestly I believe you’re better than that.

I think if more people try this and actually post the blood work (not just “my bloods show I wasn’t suppressed but I won’t post the labs, believe me though”), I think this can be more widely accepted.
 
Not to start an argument, but I agree with CatSnake. Nobody is really putting much proof out there. Most the studies being posted don’t even seem to be relevant, or aren’t properly executed. Nobody seems to be posting bloodwork, and most of the “evidence” is solely just broscience if you ask me.
 
I guess will have to experiment a bit for ourselfs to prove this theory. There are a few of us I think that have or will start a cycle with a serm on it...
 
Peanutbutterj said:
I don’t think Catsnake is trolling; he keeps posting studies to make an argument; you name calling (calling him a troll) isn’t a good look, it shows he got under your skin and honestly I believe you’re better than that.

I think if more people try this and actually post the blood work (not just “my bloods show I wasn’t suppressed but I won’t post the labs, believe me though”), I think this can be more widely accepted.
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I'm posting bloods in 5 weeks. I'm running T/Var/Torem.

I don't have my old bloods to post and I'm not going to request them just to satisfy this thread.
 
Peanutbutterj said:
I don’t think Catsnake is trolling; he keeps posting studies to make an argument; you name calling (calling him a troll) isn’t a good look, it shows he got under your skin and honestly I believe you’re better than that.

I think if more people try this and actually post the blood work (not just “my bloods show I wasn’t suppressed but I won’t post the labs, believe me though”), I think this can be more widely accepted.
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I just feel as though I'm being called a liar, its annoying sorry.

AnabolicGuru said:
Not to start an argument, but I agree with CatSnake. Nobody is really putting much proof out there. Most the studies being posted don’t even seem to be relevant, or aren’t properly executed. Nobody seems to be posting bloodwork, and most of the “evidence” is solely just broscience if you ask me.
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Getting bloodwork proving my theory is broscience? Interesting

NoAddedHmones said:
Are you spurfy? Serious question
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Yes. I also own the patent to all SERMS and I am just trying to boost sales.
 
Spurfy said:
Yes. And also, the FBI is sending coded messages through Sesame Street to brainwash children into becoming school shooters.
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Your sense of humor does not show often, but when it does i actually find you funny as fuk. Although i have a dark/strange sense of humor.
 
Might wanna lay it out again I think it got buried
 
I am absolutely going to do this at some point, likely with Clomid or Toremifene. If I do so, I will post the bloods. But we are talking months from now to produce this feedback, so everyone be cool for now.

You’re either interested in this or not, and that’s okay if you don’t wanna guinea pig it. I personally don’t think it’s gonna work with heavy cycles or 19-nor compounds probably at all.

BUT if I can take Var, SARMs, 11kt, or preWO short half-life orals in between real cycles by taking low dose Clomid while keeping test jacked up, that’s a win in my book.
 
Ricky10 said:
I am just curious what made you decide on Tamoxifen as opposed to Toremifene or Clomid?
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The fact that I already have tamox first and foremost. As I wanted to start now and not in 3 weeks time. Secondly, I only have one UGL that has torem. I don't buy from RC sites... and I probably can't get it locally, but I do admit, that I haven't even tried asking. And even if I did find it, I'm not sure if I would have trusted it to be truly torem.
 
Jinsun said:
The fact that I already have tamox first and foremost. As I wanted to start now and not in 3 weeks time. Secondly, I only have one UGL that has torem. I don't buy from RC sites... and I probably can't get it locally, but I do admit, that I haven't even tried asking. And even if I did find it, I'm not sure if I would have trusted it to be truly torem.
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Gotcha! I have a mixed bag of SERMs here myself from RC sites. Some of which were certainly legit, others I am skeptical about.

I will most likely be starting a mild prohormone cycle fairly soon as well, while running a SERM. Have yet to decide which SERM though...
 
Just gonna throw this out there for anyone...haha!

I wonder how beneficial (if at all) BLR Rebirth would be to run during a mild cycle? I have used it quite a few times in the past (independent of cycles or PCT) and my ball size, sex drive, and ejaculate volume definitely increases.
 
Ricky10 said:
Just gonna throw this out there for anyone...haha!

I wonder how beneficial (if at all) BLR Rebirth would be to run during a mild cycle? I have used it quite a few times in the past (independent of cycles or PCT) and my ball size, sex drive, and ejaculate volume definitely increases.
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Rebirth definitely does something - in private conversations I’ve had on here with Brundel concerning it, he said studies have shown it to be stronger than tamoxifen for unregulating LH actually. Firsthand experience with it, I’d have to agree.

However when talking about pulsing 30mg Sdrol preWO 3-4x/wk concurrently with daily Rebirth administration for 6 weeks, he did not feel confident in the project - he felt the signals are too conflicting and advised against it, so I never bothered.

Sd has a 6-8 hour half-life, ftr.
 
Ricky10 said:
Just gonna throw this out there for anyone...haha!

I wonder how beneficial (if at all) BLR Rebirth would be to run during a mild cycle? I have used it quite a few times in the past (independent of cycles or PCT) and my ball size, sex drive, and ejaculate volume definitely increases.
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Good to hear, im running Rebirth along with Torem for PCT after a DMZ cycle...Wondering since im running both, how i should dose both Rebirth and Torem? Usually people do 90/60/30/30 for Torem and 2 caps Rebirth (when used separately)...wondering if I should lower the dosages of either since running together?

*Gotta brag a bit...just checked the mail today, my order of two bottle of Torem from MAresearch arrived!!!
 
Hyde said:
Rebirth definitely does something - in private conversations I’ve had on here with Brundel concerning it, he said studies have shown it to be stronger than tamoxifen for unregulating LH actually. Firsthand experience with it, I’d have to agree.

However when talking about pulsing 30mg Sdrol preWO 3-4x/wk concurrently with daily Rebirth administration for 6 weeks, he did not feel confident in the project - he felt the signals are too conflicting and advised against it, so I never bothered.

Sd has a 6-8 hour half-life, ftr.
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There doesn’t seem to be many believers in Rebirth for PCT purposes. Probably a lack of bloods by members out there in comparison to traditional SERMs. Though I know at least one person showed a very favorable response...Vujade I believe?
I think people just don’t like taking the chance that it won’t work for them.

I have never done bloodwork with Rebirth, but it seems to effectively mimic the positive signs of traditional SERMs for me..
 
Kratom267 said:
Good to hear, im running Rebirth along with Torem for PCT after a DMZ cycle...Wondering since im running both, how i should dose both Rebirth and Torem? Usually people do 90/60/30/30 for Torem and 2 caps Rebirth (when used separately)...wondering if I should lower the dosages of either since running together?

*Gotta brag a bit...just checked the mail today, my order of two bottle of Torem from MAresearch arrived!!!
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I should say that I have used Rebirth during PCT as well as outside PCT. Of course it was hard to tell what I could attribute to Rebirth and what I could attribute to my SERM during PCT. I actually think I used it with Torem 2 years ago and I have always used 2 capsules per day with no side effects and I did not back off on the Torem dosage either.

I just received Torem from MaResearch a few days ago as well...haha! I may end up using something else though for my upcoming cycle. I just haven’t decided yet. I am just kind of giving myself a boost at the moment after running 3 weeks of Ostarine gone bad. Don’t ask...:)

This is my 3rd source for Torem. First was spectacular (no longer available), second was very meh, not really sure on the MA yet. I will be interested to see what you think of it! Have you used Torem before?
 
Kratom267 said:
Good to hear, im running Rebirth along with Torem for PCT after a DMZ cycle...Wondering since im running both, how i should dose both Rebirth and Torem? Usually people do 90/60/30/30 for Torem and 2 caps Rebirth (when used separately)...wondering if I should lower the dosages of either since running together?

*Gotta brag a bit...just checked the mail today, my order of two bottle of Torem from MAresearch arrived!!!
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Update us on how the MAResearch Torem goes for you. Prices are legit.
 
kl1234 said:
Using MA torem as we speak... it’s gtg. Night and day difference over clomid.
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Too early for me to form an opinion on mine...I have no reason not to trust MA though. Always good to hear about others having a good experience!

The first time I used Torem, my libido was awesome! The first time I used Clomid...my libido sucked. This was coming off the same exact cycle two consecutive years..
 
Ricky10 said:
Too early for me to form an opinion on mine...I have no reason not to trust MA though. Always good to hear about others having a good experience!

The first time I used Torem, my libido was awesome! The first time I used Clomid...my libido sucked. This was coming off the same exact cycle two consecutive years..
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Agreed. Clomid works... but kills my libido.
 
Ricky10 said:
I should say that I have used Rebirth during PCT as well as outside PCT. Of course it was hard to tell what I could attribute to Rebirth and what I could attribute to my SERM during PCT. I actually think I used it with Torem 2 years ago and I have always used 2 capsules per day with no side effects and I did not back off on the Torem dosage either.

I just received Torem from MaResearch a few days ago as well...haha! I may end up using something else though for my upcoming cycle. I just haven’t decided yet. I am just kind of giving myself a boost at the moment after running 3 weeks of Ostarine gone bad. Don’t ask...:)

This is my 3rd source for Torem. First was spectacular (no longer available), second was very meh, not really sure on the MA yet. I will be interested to see what you think of it! Have you used Torem before?
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Yeah let me know what you think of the torem from MA if you run it...Ill do the same.
I used torem once before years ago from...a metal-fire breathing/flying lizard if that makes any sense...and it was damn good. Had clomid like effects without the emotional sides, from what i remember. MA is so well respected, surely its going to be a great product but we shall see!
 
nubioso said:
Just finished a bottle of MA research torem a few days ago. It's definitely g2g.
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So damn good to hear the good reports on MA's Torem! Anyone able to make any sense of the lab reports that comes with their products? Was looking at mine for the Torem...have no f'n clue! Im used to lab reports for CBD products, where it simply says "97% CBD, .2%THC" etc
 
Kratom267 said:
whats the dosage youre running and how long have you been on it? Is it for PCT or for test boost purposes? So good to hear!
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I stopped cycling years ago. Just using for “HRT” purposes. Trying to stay off Test as long as possible. I use 30ml EOD.
 
CatSnake said:
Do you still take tore year-round?
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For the most part. I fast for 10 days every year, nothing but water (w/ black coffee first 3-4 days). I hold off on anabolics for 4-6 weeks after that.

I take torem mostly for lipid improvement/maintenance and to prevent/mitigate the deleterious effects of endocrine disrupters. The T boost is a nice bonus, but my natural T is always upper range anyway, on or off. On its around 900-950, off it's around 750-800, with variations. Clomid pushes my T to 1000-1050 range, but wrecks my thyroid hormone levels.
 
RickyBlobby said:
I just feel as though I'm being called a liar, its annoying sorry.


Getting bloodwork proving my theory is broscience? Interesting


Yes. I also own the patent to all SERMS and I am just trying to boost sales.
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You never once posted your bloodwork, so yea, definitely calling bs on you
 
AnabolicGuru said:
You never once posted your bloodwork, so yea, definitely calling bs on you
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I don't know about you, but I'm not in the habit of keeping file folders with my medical records, lab results, etc.

If you don't want to run a SERM on-cycle, then don't. It's really simple. No one is forcing anyone to do anything, this is all just informational
 
RickyBlobby said:
That’s pretty rude. I have nothing to gain by lying.
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I think you just claim to have bloodwork so people respect your theory, which isn’t a bad theory, but I don’t believe that you got bloodwork. I think you just noticed some placebo effects which led you to believe that the clomid was working good, and instead of posting “my balls feel bigger on cycle, clomid definitely works” you figured that claiming to have bloodwork would make people not troll you. That’s my outlook.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
I think you just claim to have bloodwork so people respect your theory, which isn’t a bad theory, but I don’t believe that you got bloodwork. I think you just noticed some placebo effects which led you to believe that the clomid was working good, and instead of posting “my balls feel bigger on cycle, clomid definitely works” you figured that claiming to have bloodwork would make people not troll you. That’s my outlook.
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I withdraw my previous claim on SERMs on cycle.

I was lying.

I never got bloodwork.

I will not be posting bloodwork.

I am a phony.

A big, fat phony.

Here's a picture of me during an encounter I had once when I was being a phony. I'm on the left.

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