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MrKleen73 said:
You should quote your references when you copy and paste from other sites and articles. The above is the Anavar profile from steroid.com

Androgenic means sexual characteristics... Please stop referring to it and how it does not translate into more mass. That is because it is not supposed to... Androgenic is sexual characteristics, and also helps with CNS, and fat loss, it does not mean more growth... Will they make you stronger? Absolutely, that is what they are best at... otherwise it is a sexual characteristic measurement... IE hard on the HPTA and prostate, or not...

You keep bringing it up like it is going to suddenly stop meaning the sexual side and have to do with the anabolic effects. The anabolic part of the ratio is muscle growth... if the rating is low expect less growth. As far as it's anabolic power showing itself in a cutting cycle, not sure what that means, other than the fact many people can still grow while in a deficit using it. Further showing it's growth potential. Imagine that on a high caloric surplus...

Just mentioning cutting, Tren being higher in androgenic effects is going to actually be better for cutting, it burns fat aggressively due to the effect it has on the AR in fat cells. Then again we get back on the which one has more sides thing...

Cgkone - good deal on deciding to run a high dose high surplus cycle to test this. Please link me up when you do it. I definitely want to watch and follow along. I think you will be pleasantly surprised with the results if you feed it like you are bulking you are going to grow a lot but still be drier and have that dense muscle look after. That is what 560mg a week so you could run it for 12 weeks and compare to what you would have gotten off of a 5-600mg test run, or even tren if you have a somewhat solo cycle of tren to compare it too. Either way, when it comes to test, other than water weight gain that will fall off post cycle I bet you grow more actual LBM on the Var cycle. Will be fun to watch either way.

If I am wrong that is cool too because then I learned something as well. Me personally I respond better to Var, and grow more with it on a mg per mg basis while keeping a cleaner look and benefiting my joints and connective tissue.
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I know it was copied. The fact is that I've used anavar , anadrol, tren etc and it's not the same. I also don't know if you mean that androgenic ratio has nothing to do with growth cause that's just not true. Any compound with androgenic sides will create more mass and tren is a proof to that. I mean if you run them both and you see the difference do you then believe this one guy saying the opposite? I dare anyone to find a legit source showing that anavar is this strong. We have a study on rats? Actually find one person that used everything out there that will agree to this.

I don't mean to sound like an ******* but with your experience using aas I find it strange that you (potentially?) Buy in to this.

Var 50mg / day = 350, I ran that for 6 weeks and to be honest no oral will give that much more from week 4-6 and anavar didn't. I ran tren at 300 which is 50mg less, I got leaner and I gained 15 pounds more than with var. I also used var before the tren. I used anadrol at 50mg, I got leaner and bigger than with var, both also crushed the strength I got from var. Now you're telling me to buy this?
 
Chados said:
I know it was copied. The fact is that I've used anavar , anadrol, tren etc and it's not the same. I also don't know if you mean that androgenic ratio has nothing to do with growth cause that's just not true. Any compound with androgenic sides will create more mass and tren is a proof to that.
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Yes, and that "mass" is mostly water. Yay.

Heavy androgens cause sodium reabsorption from the kidneys, which causes water retention. This is what causes blood pressure issues and rapid weight gain.

I mean if you run them both and you see the difference do you then believe this one guy saying the opposite? I dare anyone to find a legit source showing that anavar is this strong. We have a study on rats?
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I've posted multiple human studies in other threads. I'm no longer going to entertain your obliviousness and unwillingness to listen. Everyone else in these threads has been open-minded. You're simply determined to be right at the cost of actually learning something. Sad, really.
 
Spurfy said:
Yes, and that "mass" is mostly water. Yay.

Heavy androgens cause sodium reabsorption from the kidneys, which causes water retention. This is what causes blood pressure issues and rapid weight gain.



I've posted multiple human studies in other threads. I'm no longer going to entertain your obliviousness and unwillingness to listen. Everyone else in these threads has been open-minded. You're simply determined to be right at the cost of actually learning something. Sad, really.
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But under what conditions is anavar more anabolic on a mg to mg basis? Like I said before, does 6 weeks of anavar @ 50mgs yield more muscle mass than 6 weeks of anadrol @ 50mgs? If so, does 4 weeks of 50mgs of anavar yield more than 4 weeks of bolasterone @ 50mgs? And does 20mgs of anavar over 2 weeks yield more muscle mass than 20mgs of SD over 2 weeks?

Are there certain conditions or cycle lengths that have to be met, or does anavar win in all of these?
 
210LBS said:
But under what conditions is anavar more anabolic on a mg to mg basis?
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When all other variables are equal. Equal macros, equal length of cycle, equal training volume, etc.

Like I said before, does 6 weeks of anavar @ 50mgs yield more muscle mass than 6 weeks of anadrol @ 50mgs?
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All other things being equal, yes.

If so, does 4 weeks of 50mgs of anavar yield more than 4 weeks of bolasterone @ 50mgs?
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See above

And does 20mgs of anavar over 2 weeks yield more muscle mass than 20mgs of SD over 2 weeks?
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See above

Are there certain conditions or cycle lengths that have to be met, or does anavar win in all of these?
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Under identical circumstances, Anavar wins.
 
im on test always so shutdown isn't a problem im on 4 ius hgh also so im hungry.
probably September will give it a run.
 
Spurfy said:
Yes, and that "mass" is mostly water. Yay.

Heavy androgens cause sodium reabsorption from the kidneys, which causes water retention. This is what causes blood pressure issues and rapid weight gain.



I've posted multiple human studies in other threads. I'm no longer going to entertain your obliviousness and unwillingness to listen. Everyone else in these threads has been open-minded. You're simply determined to be right at the cost of actually learning something. Sad, really.
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That's ridiculous to say. If I use something which you havent and I believe in what I see how is that arguing to be right? You are not entitled to the truth here. I am asking questions how it's possible that I've never met anyone except you disagreeing with this. And so what? Androgenic being more toxic? The question isn't wether anavar is safer than tren cause it certainly is. If I can't convince you and you can't convince me we can leave it. I would suggest you to try it before you buy it. Come back to me when you ran tren, abadrol etc and tell me anavar is more potent.
 
210LBS said:
But under what conditions is anavar more anabolic on a mg to mg basis? Like I said before, does 6 weeks of anavar @ 50mgs yield more muscle mass than 6 weeks of anadrol @ 50mgs? If so, does 4 weeks of 50mgs of anavar yield more than 4 weeks of bolasterone @ 50mgs? And does 20mgs of anavar over 2 weeks yield more muscle mass than 20mgs of SD over 2 weeks?

Are there certain conditions or cycle lengths that have to be met, or does anavar win in all of these?
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Just try it and come back and tell me if you find var stronger. If you do please tell me where you bought it. Not being sarcastic, I'll order it.
 
Chados said:
Just try it and come back and tell me if you find var stronger. If you do please tell me where you bought it. Not being sarcastic, I'll order it.
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Well now that I just found out that anavar will yield more muscle growth in 2-3 weeks @ 20mgs than superdrol @ 20mgs I might have to!!!
 
some times people who write very well believe other people who write very well easier.
kleen is actually the first log ive ever followed.
I respect his opinion but im just confused why the thousands of well schooled AAS users would have over looked VAR.
ill run it myself and find out.
30 mg ED I felt nothing .
but just Like LGD maybe I got to run it higher
 
Cgkone said:
some times people who write very well believe other people who write very well easier.
kleen is actually the first log ive ever followed.
I respect his opinion but im just confused why the thousands of well schooled AAS users would have over looked VAR.
ill run it myself and find out.
30 mg ED I felt nothing .
but just Like LGD maybe I got to run it higher
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Exactly my take. English is my second language and steroids has not been my main topic learning the language. I got to go with what I hear and experience
 
Renew1 said:
Var is one of my favorites (I have some now).

The (Anabolic) ratings given to steroids don't always match reality, though. Like what was said above, the Anabolic rating of Halotestin doesn't match real world results AT ALL (although it's Androgenic rating does).
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Yeah, I agree in many ways you can't make sense of these goofy ratings. Then a lot of them can still be divided down into much lower numbers that are still the same ratio... making them look less OH WOW big numbers...

I don't think we are going to get a solid this one is the best, or that one is the best. For the most part I just look at the ratios to figure out if it is more anabolic, or more androgenic and then what anecdotal evidence from others is, and then go from there. I have also been in the game long enough to know I have some favorites that treat me really well. Anavar is one of them for how it treats me personally. I don't have the knowledge of a pharmacist, I have a pretty good understanding of gear, and it has been my opinion for a long time that Anavar is much better at building muscle than most give it credit for.

I will say this though, I have not tried Var in the manner that Spurfy recommended, and will definitely try that next time and see how much different the cycle goes. I already love the stuff but if this improves things then I want to check it out.

Spurfy, I noticed you said you only run 30mg daily on your blasts, so would I or Cgkone still run a higher dosed one like 80mg one dose at night around 6:00PM or is there a point where the dose is too high to use the one dose a day method?
 
Cgkone said:
some times people who write very well believe other people who write very well easier.
kleen is actually the first log ive ever followed.
I respect his opinion but im just confused why the thousands of well schooled AAS users would have over looked VAR.
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1. Because they don't really understand pharmacology and biochemistry.
2. Because they confuse "weight gain" with "muscle gain"
3. Because they don't run Var properly
4. Because their ego doesn't let them, since "Var iz for chickzzzz, bruh"
5. Because their Var is bunk or underdosed
6. Because they don't want to admit they've been wrong this whole time
 
Chados said:
Just try it and come back and tell me if you find var stronger. If you do please tell me where you bought it. Not being sarcastic, I'll order it.
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Absolutely. It definitely matters where you buy Var (even more than most steroids.
My first Var run was given to me as a gift, and thankfully it was the real (full dosage) deal, because that formed the way I look at it in a very positive way, instead of a negative, or blah way.
 
but what about people training champions
is larry wheels on anavar?
is dan green on anavar when hes in a hypertrophy phase.
have u
trained a champion with this secret weapon?
no jerk stuff intended Spurfy???
 
MrKleen73 said:
Spurfy, I noticed you said you only run 30mg daily on your blasts
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That's because:

1. I've reached a level where I'm happy with my physique and just want a little extra on occasion
2. Var gives my teeth cold sensitivity issues over 30 mg/day

so would I or Cgkone still run a higher dosed one like 80mg one dose at night around 6:00PM or is there a point where the dose is too high to use the one dose a day method?
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6:00 PM, single dose.

1. Muscle building occurs when you're asleep. Having the highest levels while you're sleeping makes the most sense.
2. Var taken during the day messes with cortisol signalling. This causes fatigue and loss of appetite.
 
2kvette said:
HGH makes the organs and bones grow drastically more than the muscles.
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Yeah, but both HGH and steroids have been proven to enlarge the heart which is all I was referring to when I mentioned it was from the peds. Not being to specific here as I don't have all the details.
 
Spurfy said:
You will build more muscle tissue with 20 mg of Var vs. 20 mg of SD, and these gains will "stick"
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Since you claim that most users have fake var and you supposedly run it year round. Why dont you just tell us or someone here where you get yours and at least I will be happy to try it, I will check if it's real and I will use it as you say. I will also run it a long time to see wether my cholesterol goes to hell since var is known to affect this.

This would automatically debunk all misconceptions wouldn't it?
 
Cgkone said:
but what about people training champions
is larry wheels on anavar?
is dan green on anavar when hes in a hypertrophy phase.
have u
trained a champion with this secret weapon?
no jerk stuff intended
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Interesting... I would think and this is just me thinking... the people you mentioned are powerlifters, albeit ripped ones, but wouldn't they tend to use more androgenic drugs to drive strength via CNS amplification even during offseason since strength is the name of their game? So for them a drug that is high in both would more than likely be the bulker of choice would it not? You would not want to limit the androgenic effects when absolute strength is one of the main goals or your training.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Interesting... I would think and this is just me thinking... the people you mentioned are powerlifters, albeit ripped ones, but wouldn't they tend to use more androgenic drugs to drive strength via CNS amplification even during offseason since strength is the name of their game? So for them a drug that is high in both would more than likely be the bulker of choice would it not? You would not want to limit the androgenic effects when absolute strength is one of the main goals or your training.
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Well anabolic has more of a strength growth than it has musclegrowth. Androgenic will be superior yes but if anavar supposedly is this strong with its anabolic ratings it should give more strength than other anablic compounds. Is this your personal take after using var vs other anabolics?
 
Chados said:
Since you claim that most users have fake var and you supposedly run it year round. Why dont you just tell us or someone here where you get yours and at least I will be happy to try it, I will check if it's real and I will use it as you say. I will also run it a long time to see wether my cholesterol goes to hell since var is known to affect this.

This would automatically debunk all misconceptions wouldn't it?
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Will you be running it with the 30mg of SERM to keep a base level of test as he mentioned too? I think that one of the major reasons that happens with anavar alone cycles is that your estrogen ends up low. Keeping test at normal natural levels might alleviate this as long as no AI is used.
 
Chados said:
Since you claim that most users have fake var and you supposedly run it year round. Why dont you just tell us or someone here where you get yours and at least I will be happy to try it, I will check if it's real and I will use it as you say. I will also run it a long time to see wether my cholesterol goes to hell since var is known to affect this.

This would automatically debunk all misconceptions wouldn't it?
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That's a federal crime you're asking me to commit. (Conspiracy to Traffic in a Controlled Substance)

I'll pass!

Also, I get my Var (and everything else) legally. Professional courtesy...
 
wheels has just did a bodybuilding show.
I said hypertrophy phase when muscle growth is desired....especially growth that sticks.
@kleen
sorry im on a different device so im not responding correctly
 
MrKleen73 said:
Will you be running it with the 30mg of SERM to keep a base level of test as he mentioned too? I think that one of the major reasons that happens with anavar alone cycles is that your estrogen ends up low. Keeping test at normal natural levels might alleviate this as long as no AI is used.
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If I remember correctly, Spurfy uses a SERM throughout all of his cycles and does not PCT.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Will you be running it with the 30mg of SERM to keep a base level of test as he mentioned too? I think that one of the major reasons that happens with anavar alone cycles is that your estrogen ends up low. Keeping test at normal natural levels might alleviate this as long as no AI is used.
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I'll do whatever he says. Not gonna run it year round though.
 
Spurfy said:
That's a federal crime you're asking me to commit. (Conspiracy to Traffic in a Controlled Substance)

I'll pass!

Also, I get my Var (and everything else) legally. Professional courtesy...
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Not really, if you get it legally I won't be able to get it. So saying you get it from a certain hospital is not illegal. Especially since I don't even live in your country
 
MrKleen73 said:
Interesting... I would think and this is just me thinking... the people you mentioned are powerlifters, albeit ripped ones, but wouldn't they tend to use more androgenic drugs to drive strength via CNS amplification even during offseason since strength is the name of their game? So for them a drug that is high in both would more than likely be the bulker of choice would it not? You would not want to limit the androgenic effects when absolute strength is one of the main goals or your training.
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so if anavar put on the most keepable muscle all pro BB should use it?
of season hypertrophy is when you want keepable muscle gains....
is spurfy got a secret these guys and their trainers just don't know?
if he did have the magic formula would he be advertising on AM? albeit.....limited time offer only got a few more spots BETTER HURRY!!!!
I may not write like a college professor but ive got lots of experience in running game.
not saying there isn't some good stuff about anavar. and I will try it.
BUT ........ we shall see.
 
Cgkone said:
so if anavar put on the most keepable muscle all pro BB should use it?
of season hypertrophy is when you want keepable muscle gains....
is spurfy got a secret these guys and their trainers just don't know?
if he did have the magic formula would he be advertising on AM? albeit.....limited time offer only got a few more spots BETTER HURRY!!!!
I may not write like a college professor but ive got lots of experience in running game.
not saying there isn't some good stuff about anavar. and I will try it.
BUT ........ we shall see.
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Thing is that I can gurantee spurfy will tell you if your review is bad that you don't have legit var. I'll be following your cycle though
 
Chados said:
Well anabolic has more of a strength growth than it has musclegrowth. Androgenic will be superior yes but if anavar supposedly is this strong with its anabolic ratings it should give more strength than other anablic compounds. Is this your personal take after using var vs other anabolics?
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Can you reword that question, I am not 100% sure I understand what you are asking. From what it looks like I think you are still confused, or I am just really confused.

This part here "Well anabolic has more of a strength growth than it has musclegrowth." leads me to believe you still think that androgenic means growth, and it does not. Anabolic is precisely muscle growth. Androgenic is sexual characteristic and has a direct effect on the amount of force your muscles are able to make. IE strength.

My opinion and what I have found to be true for me is that my strength gains on Var are completely dependent and inline with how much new muscle mass I have grown. Not as a result of that muscle firing more efficiently. The strength gains that come along with a compound that is high in androgens are due to the muscle firing more efficiently...

To use a car analogy - Anabolism and strength is kind of like this... You take a naturally aspirated 3.5 engine out of a car and put in a 4.0 it increases it by 50 horse power... This is strength due to a larger engine... IE bigger muscles. Now you take that same 3.5 engine and add turbo to it, and increase the HP by 75hp, now you have the same amount of muscle doing a lot more work not because it grew, but because you made the engine that much more efficient at making power. That is what the androgenic side of the equation does for strength.

To take the analogy one step further, for another example. Say you upgraded the engine to a 4.0 while adding turbo... IE SD, or DBol, then you remove the turbo, you lose that extra 75 from increased efficiency, but still have the larger 4.0 engine, so you still have the strength gains from the bigger engine even after the increase in power from the androgens is gone. I think that is his point on where the strength gains even out in the end, if you lose more after the harsher cycles then you might be going down to a 3.8 liter instead of that 4.0 you upgraded too...


Again, I may be completely misunderstanding the question.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Can you reword that question, I am not 100% sure I understand what you are asking. From what it looks like I think you are still confused, or I am just really confused.

This part here "Well anabolic has more of a strength growth than it has musclegrowth." leads me to believe you still think that androgenic means growth, and it does not. Anabolic is precisely muscle growth. Androgenic is sexual characteristic and has a direct effect on the amount of force your muscles are able to make. IE strength.

My opinion and what I have found to be true for me is that my strength gains on Var are completely dependent and inline with how much new muscle mass I have grown. Not as a result of that muscle firing more efficiently. The strength gains that come along with a compound that is high in androgens are due to the muscle firing more efficiently...

To use a car analogy - Anabolism and strength is kind of like this... You take a naturally aspirated 3.5 engine out of a car and put in a 4.0 it increases it by 50 horse power... This is strength due to a larger engine... IE bigger muscles. Now you take that same 3.5 engine and add turbo to it, and increase the HP by 75hp, now you have the same amount of muscle doing a lot more work not because it grew, but because you made the engine that much more efficient at making power. That is what the androgenic side of the equation does for strength.

To take the analogy one step further, for another example. Say you upgraded the engine to a 4.0 while adding turbo... IE SD, or DBol, then you remove the turbo, you lose that extra 75 from increased efficiency, but still have the larger 4.0 engine, so you still have the strength gains from the bigger engine even after the increase in power from the androgens is gone. I think that is his point on where the strength gains even out in the end, if you lose more after the harsher cycles then you might be going down to a 3.8 liter instead of that 4.0 you upgraded too...


Again, I may be completely misunderstanding the question.
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My question is wether you personally after using var (since it's supposedly the most anabolic compound) find it to be more effective in strength gain than other anabolic compounds? That should tell you automatically wether it's as anabolic as states in the study on rats.
 
Cgkone said:
Chados looks like you will have to pay him for coaching.
don't worry he garauntees fast results
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I will and this I promise. Appologize personally to spurfy for even questioning him if I get better results in any way than with tren, deca,winstrol etc. That's how sure I am. I am not the most educated guy in here at all but you can't tell me that a 3% proof bottle of alcohol is stronger per ml than a 70% after ive used both and got drunk on a 10th of the amount with the 70% by saying, yeah add magic mushrooms to the 3%. Again I hate sounding sarcastic but that's really how out of this world this topic is to me. If I'm wrong I'll be extremly happy, just wish primo would yield tren results too by using it a certain way.
 
Spurfy said:
1. Because they don't really understand pharmacology and biochemistry.
2. Because they confuse "weight gain" with "muscle gain"
3. Because they don't run Var properly
4. Because their ego doesn't let them, since "Var iz for chickzzzz, bruh"
5. Because their Var is bunk or underdosed
6. Because they don't want to admit they've been wrong this whole time
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Maybe it is also because you don't get as much visual "bulk" with it?
 
Chados said:
Not really, if you get it legally I won't be able to get it. So saying you get it from a certain hospital is not illegal. Especially since I don't even live in your country
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I get it from Walgreen's, by prescription.

If I were to refer you to a source that did not involve you having a legitimate prescription, I would be in violation.
 
And I am not an expert but one reason why people notice more gains on compounds like tren may be because of the increased aggression and more intense workouts. That is a major factor in muscle building.

So var may be best suited stacked with a high androgen AAS to promote workout intensity.

But if you look at the studies, low dose var increased LBM by 10% while bed ridden. That is pretty substantial.
 
Spurfy said:
I get it from Walgreen's, by prescription.

If I were to refer you to a source that did not involve you having a legitimate prescription, I would be in violation.
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Yes but it wasn't. So wahlgreens pharmacy is legit anavar?
 
RickyBlobby said:
And I am not an expert but one reason why people notice more gains on compounds like tren may be because of the increased aggression and more intense workouts. That is a major factor in muscle building.

So var may be best suited stacked with a high androgen AAS to promote workout intensity.

But if you look at the studies, low dose var increased LBM by 10% while bed ridden. That is pretty substantial.
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Yeah sure but that's a bit far fetched. I wasn't aggressive on tren at all. When I did test winstrol I felt like a king though
 
The androgenic:anabolic ratio of an AAS is an important factor when determining the clinical application of these compounds. Compounds with a high ratio of androgenic to an anabolic effects are the drug of choice in androgen-replacement therapy (e.g., treating hypogonadism in males), whereas compounds with a reduced androgenic:anabolic ratio are preferred for anemia and osteoporosis, and to reverse protein loss following trauma, surgery, or prolonged immobilization. Determination of androgenic:anabolic ratio is typically performed in animal studies, which has led to the marketing of some compounds claimed to have anabolic activity with weak androgenic effects. This disassociation is less marked in humans, where all AAS have significant androgenic effects.[56]

This is from Wikipedia. Quite interesting considering all these ratios are measured on rats



Androgens are one of the primary sex hormones of the steroidal family; a four ringed carbon core of a cholesterol nature; in short, androgens are fat molecules. Sometimes referred to as a testoid, androgens stimulate, promote and maintain the male sex characteristics by binding to the androgen receptors and while there are several androgens worthy of note testosterone is the primary androgen of the greatest importance. In the world of anabolic androgenic steroids androgens are of the greatest importance for without androgens we would have no anabolic steroids. Some of the most common anabolic steroids of all time exist solely by their androgenic nature; if you recall from you steroidal understanding all anabolic steroids owe their existence to testosterone and as testosterone is the primary androgen it’s easy to see how important the androgenic nature truly is.

Androgens, of which as we will see there are many types are primarily produced in the testes, ovaries and adrenal glands depending on the sex, with potency and importance of each varying depending on the form. Generally existing by way of cholesterol Testosterone and Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) are the two primary androgens worthy of concern but androgenic hormones such as androstenedione (Andro) and Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) play a role.

the production of androgens that largely influence our sexual development and regulate our sex drive; at the point of puberty it is the influx of androgenic hormones that promote the deepening of the male vocal chords as well as body and facial hair-growth; yes, androgens also greatly affect a woman’s libido but a larger role is played in the male. As an individual who supplements with anabolic androgenic steroids the obvious question is why is any of this important to you; well, it’s very important. Androgens largely regulate growth and play a key role revolving around stored adipose tissue. In simple terms the greater androgenic presence the greater growth in muscular structure there will be; this shouldn’t be too surprising, after all, for the anabolic steroid user the primary hormone of growth is testosterone. As eluded to, androgens also affect the manner in-which body-fat is stored; men typically have less body-fat than women and as such much of this is due to the higher androgenic nature of the male species as androgens have been shown to inhibit fat accumulation and storage.

Anabolic:
Anabolic simply refers to anabolism which in-turn simply refers to the metabolic process; worthy of note, anabolism is the direct opposite of catabolism. This anabolic process aids in building molecules or perhaps a better way to look at it, the anabolic process strengthens and restructures molecules in order for them to become larger and more efficient. This process aids in growth and in the promotion of strength to a large degree but also promotes many things of a secondary nature that can be of interest to the performance such as hardness. At first glance you might ask what the difference is between anabolic and androgenic and the short answer is quite a bit. The anabolic process aids in enhancing the cells that exist, yes, it can enhance them in-terms of actual growth in size but will have a larger role on increasing strength and play a larger role in conditioning. Further, steroids that are primarily anabolic will not convert to estrogen as estrogen is a precursor to androgenic hormones.

Here's another read for anyone interested.
 
Chados said:
Yeah sure but that's a bit far fetched. I wasn't aggressive on tren at all. When I did test winstrol I felt like a king though
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Everybody responds differently to certain AAS. Most people are beast mode on tren. In my experience var did not add much gym aggression. In the future I will stack with something like trestolone, masteron, ETC. I have yet to try tren because I am very prone to sides
 
Cgkone said:
is spurfy got a secret these guys and their trainers just don't know?
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I have lots of secrets: For example, I can tell you how to quickly spot reduce using an OTC product that costs very little and is side-effect free.

if he did have the magic formula would he be advertising on AM?
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I make plenty of money in my profession. I coach people mostly for the enjoyment I get in seeing their transformation, and charge them a fair rate for my time. Not many people can say their coach/trainer is a pharmacologist with more than 20 years of serious training background.

I maintain around 15 clients at all times. Several of my clients are "graduating" soon, and I'm offering my services here to anyone who is interested. I don't care either way -- I don't ever have trouble finding new clients.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Everybody responds differently to certain AAS. Most people are beast mode on tren. In my experience var did not add much gym aggression. In the future I will stack with something like trestolone, masteron, ETC. I have yet to try tren because I am very prone to sides
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I find Proviron to be good with Var for that extra bit of pre-workout aggression. I don't like masteron for the sole reason that I don't want that edginess all the time. Proviron is in and out, quickly.
 
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