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Afi140
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Definitely a legit looking formula!
LeanEngineer
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musclemaker
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Jump on those logs guys!
Afi140
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Did you throw an app in the thread above?
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Sleep is for the Wicked!
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Afi140
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Don’t miss out on this deal! 40% off!
leroyjenkinss
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What's the difference between amnesia and youth gh?
I've been using youth gh and it knocks me out.
I've been using youth gh and it knocks me out.
musclemaker
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To explain it simply, while both products have overlaps Youth GH is primarily for GH boosting and Amnes1a is primarily a sleep aid.
So if your goal is a GH boost go with Youth GH, if you suffer from insomnia like everyone else go with Amnes1a. Looking forward to trying Amnes1a myself.
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The Science Behind “Bulk While You Cut And Increasing Calorie Burn At Rest”
Whispers of a revolutionary new fat burner have started to circulate, spawning rumors that getting shredded will now be easier than ever.
But with the inundation of fat burners hitting the market over the last five years among numerous claims of increased ability and potency, will this really impact the way we see fat loss supplements?
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Whispers of a revolutionary new fat burner have started to circulate, spawning rumors that getting shredded will now be easier than ever.
But with the inundation of fat burners hitting the market over the last five years among numerous claims of increased ability and potency, will this really impact the way we see fat loss supplements?
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GrowthFiend
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Stackable with PHs? Well, what's left of PHs.. :-(
musclemaker
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With what we currently know seems like it should be no issue at all.
TooMuchSauce
New member
I been shopping with you guys since Superdrol and msten and those got banned
Then osta shred which was great, got banned
Now super mandro. Wtf is going on. I didnt hear super mandro on the banned list!?
What does a brother have to do to get some supps that work to keep me pumped, tan and juicy as ****
Then osta shred which was great, got banned
Now super mandro. Wtf is going on. I didnt hear super mandro on the banned list!?
What does a brother have to do to get some supps that work to keep me pumped, tan and juicy as ****
Afi140
Legend
First off we appreciate your loyalty and many share your same sentiment. Super mandro availability is more of a legal issue with hi-tech who owns the patent rights :/ verdict is still out on whether or not it will come back. Hopefully we can get it back at some point!
musclemaker
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jt75
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Woohoo we like hot and juicy ? ?
TooMuchSauce
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Afi140
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Info down toward the bottom in andros and throughout the site.
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LeanEngineer
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Can't wait! BLR is definitely bringing it hot and heavy this 2018!
brundel
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Ok so lets start getting some juicy data out for you guys.
Im going to talk about each ingredient solo. Part of this is so people understand that while this is a blend of 3 ingredients these could easily have been used alone. Each one tested really well by itself. Nonetheless, I wanted Vector to be an impressive product so there are all 3 in 1. There will be 6 caps.
3000mg daily dose.
These days we dont have really many anabolic options. You can go the AAS route of course and you can use whats left of the prohormones like the DHEA derivatives but honestly these are expensive to use at the doses required and most products dont contain enough for them to be viable. In addition they are just as suppressive as running a steroid cycle in most cases so why even bother with them.
With regards to "natural anabolics"...... we have seen some people give valiant efforts but it seems like they keep falling short.
Follidrone 2.0 is good but its a very lean gainer.
We need a solution. VECTOR is that solution.
-You want to grow some legit muscle tissue? Vector can get you there. Even larger guys 240lbs + and Older guys at 54yrs+ have grown upwards of 10+lbs in testing.
-You want to burn fat? Vector is a great anabolic fat burner. 100% of the testers mentioned looking leaner while gaining muscle. There are numerous ways in which Vector helps keep the fat burning off.
-You want performance enhancement? Vector can give you this as well. Studies indicate and our tests indicate that this stuff is a real performance powerhouse increasing endurance, strength and power output.
Ok.... this is alot to claim. I get it.
Lets talk about how this is possible.---------------
Im going to talk about each ingredient solo. Part of this is so people understand that while this is a blend of 3 ingredients these could easily have been used alone. Each one tested really well by itself. Nonetheless, I wanted Vector to be an impressive product so there are all 3 in 1. There will be 6 caps.
3000mg daily dose.
These days we dont have really many anabolic options. You can go the AAS route of course and you can use whats left of the prohormones like the DHEA derivatives but honestly these are expensive to use at the doses required and most products dont contain enough for them to be viable. In addition they are just as suppressive as running a steroid cycle in most cases so why even bother with them.
With regards to "natural anabolics"...... we have seen some people give valiant efforts but it seems like they keep falling short.
Follidrone 2.0 is good but its a very lean gainer.
We need a solution. VECTOR is that solution.
-You want to grow some legit muscle tissue? Vector can get you there. Even larger guys 240lbs + and Older guys at 54yrs+ have grown upwards of 10+lbs in testing.
-You want to burn fat? Vector is a great anabolic fat burner. 100% of the testers mentioned looking leaner while gaining muscle. There are numerous ways in which Vector helps keep the fat burning off.
-You want performance enhancement? Vector can give you this as well. Studies indicate and our tests indicate that this stuff is a real performance powerhouse increasing endurance, strength and power output.
Ok.... this is alot to claim. I get it.
Lets talk about how this is possible.---------------
brundel
Board Sponsor
ERIOBOTRYA JAPONICA -1000mg/100:1 extract.
Eriobotrya Japonica (EJ) or Loquat is a fruiting plant commonly used for food, added to alcholic beverages and sometimes used for health and longevity. EJ contains a host of interesting chemicals with a number of effects that are beneficial to those looking to build muscle, burn fat or increase athletic performance. Loquat for bodybuilders? On the surface EJ doesnt seem to be super exciting but nothing could be further from the truth. There have been a number of studies indicating that the proper extract at a high enough dose can lead to gains in muscle mass, strength and fat loss. Studies indicate EJ Increases the expression of myogenic genes MyoD, Myogenin and MyHC. This increased expression corresponds with an increase in the activity of Creatine Kinase a myogenic differentiation marker. Finally EJ activates the AKT/mTOR pathway and subsequently promotes muscle protein synthesis and a gain in lean muscle mass. In studies EJ was shown to prevent muscle atrophy and increase muscle hypertrophy so its great if your cutting and want to preserve muscle and its great if you want to bulk.
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AKT/Mtor
Akt is known as effector of insulin/IGF-1 signalling and it can induce muscle hypertrophy through a pathway involving rapamycin-sensitive mTOR.
mTOR regulates PGC-1a expression, which is a key regulator of mitochondria biogenesis, and the expression of PGC-1a has been implicated in the control of skeletal muscle mass. The activation of the Akt/mTOR pathway and its downstream targets, p70S6K and PHAS-1/4E-BP1, is requisitely involved in regulating skeletal muscle fiber size. Acute AKT activation also leads to a decrease in adipose tissue (fat loss)
QUOTE"
The pathways that are sufficient to induce hypertrophy in skeletal muscle have been the subject of some controversy. We describe here the use of a novel method to produce a transgenic mouse in which a constitutively active form of Akt can be inducibly expressed in adult skeletal muscle and thereby demonstrate that acute activation of Akt is sufficient to induce rapid and significant skeletal muscle hypertrophy in vivo, accompanied by activation of the downstream Akt/p70S6 kinase protein synthesis pathway. Upon induction of Akt in skeletal muscle, there was also a significant decrease in adipose tissue. These findings suggest that pharmacologic approaches directed toward activating Akt will be useful in inducing skeletal muscle hypertrophy and that an increase in lean muscle mass is sufficient to decrease fat storage."
MyHC
Myosin heavy-chain synthesis rate is correlated with measures of muscle strength, circulating insulin-like growth factor 1 and
dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate in men and women and free testosterone levels in men.
MyoD
both MyoD and myogenin genes are necessary in the regenerative process for the proliferation of satellite cells (myoblasts) and for the development of early regenerating fibers (myotubes). The expression of Myod is sufficient to convert a fibroblast to a skeletal muscle cell,
Eriobotrya Japonica (EJ) or Loquat is a fruiting plant commonly used for food, added to alcholic beverages and sometimes used for health and longevity. EJ contains a host of interesting chemicals with a number of effects that are beneficial to those looking to build muscle, burn fat or increase athletic performance. Loquat for bodybuilders? On the surface EJ doesnt seem to be super exciting but nothing could be further from the truth. There have been a number of studies indicating that the proper extract at a high enough dose can lead to gains in muscle mass, strength and fat loss. Studies indicate EJ Increases the expression of myogenic genes MyoD, Myogenin and MyHC. This increased expression corresponds with an increase in the activity of Creatine Kinase a myogenic differentiation marker. Finally EJ activates the AKT/mTOR pathway and subsequently promotes muscle protein synthesis and a gain in lean muscle mass. In studies EJ was shown to prevent muscle atrophy and increase muscle hypertrophy so its great if your cutting and want to preserve muscle and its great if you want to bulk.
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AKT/Mtor
Akt is known as effector of insulin/IGF-1 signalling and it can induce muscle hypertrophy through a pathway involving rapamycin-sensitive mTOR.
mTOR regulates PGC-1a expression, which is a key regulator of mitochondria biogenesis, and the expression of PGC-1a has been implicated in the control of skeletal muscle mass. The activation of the Akt/mTOR pathway and its downstream targets, p70S6K and PHAS-1/4E-BP1, is requisitely involved in regulating skeletal muscle fiber size. Acute AKT activation also leads to a decrease in adipose tissue (fat loss)
QUOTE"
The pathways that are sufficient to induce hypertrophy in skeletal muscle have been the subject of some controversy. We describe here the use of a novel method to produce a transgenic mouse in which a constitutively active form of Akt can be inducibly expressed in adult skeletal muscle and thereby demonstrate that acute activation of Akt is sufficient to induce rapid and significant skeletal muscle hypertrophy in vivo, accompanied by activation of the downstream Akt/p70S6 kinase protein synthesis pathway. Upon induction of Akt in skeletal muscle, there was also a significant decrease in adipose tissue. These findings suggest that pharmacologic approaches directed toward activating Akt will be useful in inducing skeletal muscle hypertrophy and that an increase in lean muscle mass is sufficient to decrease fat storage."
MyHC
Myosin heavy-chain synthesis rate is correlated with measures of muscle strength, circulating insulin-like growth factor 1 and
dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate in men and women and free testosterone levels in men.
MyoD
both MyoD and myogenin genes are necessary in the regenerative process for the proliferation of satellite cells (myoblasts) and for the development of early regenerating fibers (myotubes). The expression of Myod is sufficient to convert a fibroblast to a skeletal muscle cell,
brundel
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Lower doses or the incorrect extraction process has been shown to be ineffective so the extraction process is very important with EJ. So lets dig into whats inside the plant itself.
Just a short list of the chemical constituents of EJ-
Epicatechin
Ursolic acid
Chlorogenic acid
Corosolic acid
Oleanolic acid
Caffeic acid
Procyanidin B2
Protocatechuic acid
Ferulic acid
Tormentic acid
Naringenin
Ellagic acid
EGCG
Quercetin
This is a pretty impressive list of actives. Lets take a look at what some of these do.
Epicatechin.
EJ doesnt have as much epicatechin as something like cocoa or green tea but there is still a decent amount. Its estimated that there is about 150mg per 100g in cocoa and there is about 60mg in EJ so a little less than half. None the less there is enough that epicatechin will be active especially with Narinigenin, EGCG and quercetin in the mix as these all increase the absorption of epicatechin. Lets think of epicatechin as sort of a bonus.
Ursolic acid.
There is a decent dose in here at upwards of 150mg estimated per daily dose of our EJ extract but Ursolic acid is also a major constituent of another of Vectors ingredents giving us approx 300mg + of Ursolic acid per dose. Ursolic acid orally has been show in studies to increase muscle mass, Increase strength, Increase brown fat, Increase glucose utilization and increase exercise capacity. Its been stated that UA is not viable orally but I think I disagree and it seems as though studies also indicate that it is orally active although it has a very poor absorption rate. High doses are required and studies indicate 300+ should be enough orally to produce the desired results.
Corosolic acid.
Corosolic acid is a GDA generally extracted from Banaba (lagerstroemia speciosa) but a significant amount is present in Eribotrya J. Corosolic acid works orally at relatively low doses and has some interesting effects. Even doses of 10mg are viable to display its impressive effects. Most people have heard of Corosolic acid for its glucose effects as it is a major GDA. Corosolic acid can help to keep glucose down with multiple mechanisms of action. Glut4 translocation, reduced insulin resistance as well as all kinds of enzymatic suppression and or expression.
-Corosolic acid has been shown to reduce cholesterol levels and enhance lipid metabolism.
-Corosolic acid is also a great fat burner not only through antidiabetic effects but also by retarding absorption of fatty acids.
-Corosolic acid is a potent and selective inhibitor of the enzyme (11-beta hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type 1) that converts inactive cortisone to active cortisol. Therefore, corosolic acid may prevent excessive cortisol production.
Overall Corosolic acid is one of Vectors great components. Increased Glucose uptake into muscles, decreased blood sugar, increased insulin sensitivity, increased fat utilization and decreased fat diposition plus decreased cortisol make Corosolic a powerhouse.
Oleanolic acid
Oleanolic acid (OA) is a constituent of Olea Europea, Viscum Album and Eriobotrya japonica as well as others.
Its long been used in Chinese medicine for treatment of liver disorders and other ailments. OA increases glucose utilization, is a solid vasodilator and increases expression of the AKT pathway.
Protocatechuic acid
Insulin like activity by activating PPAPy.
Decreases ROS
Antiageing
Anti inflammatory
Antiseptic
analgesic
GLUT4 upregulation
Antioxidant
Protects the testes from damage and stress
Cardio protective
Caffeic acid
Increased exercise capacity
Reduced Blood Lactate
Increased fat loss
Endurance
Ferulic acid, 4-hydroxy-3-methoxycinnamic acid, is one of the most ubiquitous phenolic acids, found in the
bran of grasses such as wheat, rice, and oats. It belongs to the family of plant hydroxycinnamic acids, which
include caffeic acid, sinapic acid, and p-coumaric acid. Recent studies have provided evidence that ferulic acid reduces the risk of disease, including
Alzheimer’s disease, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, and colon cancer. Currently, ferulic acid is used to enhance athletic
performance, both in humans and racehorses. Supplementation by it has been found to increase muscle strength in weight lifters.
In one animal study a single acute administration of Ferulic acid increased swimming time by 170%.
Ferulic acid prevented the decrease in catalase, superoxide dismutase and protected against the depletion of GST activity induced by exhaustive
exercise.
Exercise can be associated with oxidative stress. Thus exercise can act as a powerful source of Reactive Oxygen Species, depending on duration and intensity. During exhaustive exercise, fat is typically used as the primary energy source, thus sparing glycogen stores, which in turn retards fatigue. However, during strenuous exercise substantial production of ROS occurs via beta oxidation during the utilization of fat.
In addition, a dramatic increase in oxygen consumption in the body creates an imbalance between ROS and the antioxidant defense system resulting in fatigue.
Acute adminstration of Ferulic acid prevents fatigue, increases endurance and protects the body during exhaustive exercise.
Chlorogenic acid
CA often reffered to as green coffee extract is widely known for its antiobesity effects via PPARa agonism and by preventing proliferation of new fat cells. CA can increase muscular glucose uptake both by stimulating Non insulin dependent AMPK as well as stimulating pAKt. Great for keeping bodyfat off while promoting muscle growth.
Tormentic acid
Anti diabetic
Glut4
AMPK
REFS:
1.Loquat leaf extract enhances myogenic differentiation, improves muscle function and attenuates muscle loss in aged rats.
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2.Loquat (Eriobotrya japonica) extract prevents dexamethasone-induced muscle atrophy by inhibiting the muscle degradation pathway in Sprague Dawley rats.
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3.Effect of Loquat Leaf Extract on Muscle Strength, Muscle Mass, and Muscle Function in Healthy Adults: A Randomized, Double-Blinded, and Placebo-Controlled Trial
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4.Ethanol Extract of Eriobotrya japonica Leaves Enhanced Swimming Capacity in Mice
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5.Cell Suspension Culture of Eriobotrya japonica Regulates the Diabetic and Hyperlipidemic Signs of High-Fat-Fed Mice
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6.Tormentic Acid, a Major Component of Suspension Cells of Eriobotrya japonica, Suppresses High-Fat Diet-Induced Diabetes and Hyperlipidemia by Glucose Transporter 4 and AMP-Activated Protein Kinase Phosphorylation
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Just a short list of the chemical constituents of EJ-
Epicatechin
Ursolic acid
Chlorogenic acid
Corosolic acid
Oleanolic acid
Caffeic acid
Procyanidin B2
Protocatechuic acid
Ferulic acid
Tormentic acid
Naringenin
Ellagic acid
EGCG
Quercetin
This is a pretty impressive list of actives. Lets take a look at what some of these do.
Epicatechin.
EJ doesnt have as much epicatechin as something like cocoa or green tea but there is still a decent amount. Its estimated that there is about 150mg per 100g in cocoa and there is about 60mg in EJ so a little less than half. None the less there is enough that epicatechin will be active especially with Narinigenin, EGCG and quercetin in the mix as these all increase the absorption of epicatechin. Lets think of epicatechin as sort of a bonus.
Ursolic acid.
There is a decent dose in here at upwards of 150mg estimated per daily dose of our EJ extract but Ursolic acid is also a major constituent of another of Vectors ingredents giving us approx 300mg + of Ursolic acid per dose. Ursolic acid orally has been show in studies to increase muscle mass, Increase strength, Increase brown fat, Increase glucose utilization and increase exercise capacity. Its been stated that UA is not viable orally but I think I disagree and it seems as though studies also indicate that it is orally active although it has a very poor absorption rate. High doses are required and studies indicate 300+ should be enough orally to produce the desired results.
Corosolic acid.
Corosolic acid is a GDA generally extracted from Banaba (lagerstroemia speciosa) but a significant amount is present in Eribotrya J. Corosolic acid works orally at relatively low doses and has some interesting effects. Even doses of 10mg are viable to display its impressive effects. Most people have heard of Corosolic acid for its glucose effects as it is a major GDA. Corosolic acid can help to keep glucose down with multiple mechanisms of action. Glut4 translocation, reduced insulin resistance as well as all kinds of enzymatic suppression and or expression.
-Corosolic acid has been shown to reduce cholesterol levels and enhance lipid metabolism.
-Corosolic acid is also a great fat burner not only through antidiabetic effects but also by retarding absorption of fatty acids.
-Corosolic acid is a potent and selective inhibitor of the enzyme (11-beta hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type 1) that converts inactive cortisone to active cortisol. Therefore, corosolic acid may prevent excessive cortisol production.
Overall Corosolic acid is one of Vectors great components. Increased Glucose uptake into muscles, decreased blood sugar, increased insulin sensitivity, increased fat utilization and decreased fat diposition plus decreased cortisol make Corosolic a powerhouse.
Oleanolic acid
Oleanolic acid (OA) is a constituent of Olea Europea, Viscum Album and Eriobotrya japonica as well as others.
Its long been used in Chinese medicine for treatment of liver disorders and other ailments. OA increases glucose utilization, is a solid vasodilator and increases expression of the AKT pathway.
Protocatechuic acid
Insulin like activity by activating PPAPy.
Decreases ROS
Antiageing
Anti inflammatory
Antiseptic
analgesic
GLUT4 upregulation
Antioxidant
Protects the testes from damage and stress
Cardio protective
Caffeic acid
Increased exercise capacity
Reduced Blood Lactate
Increased fat loss
Endurance
Ferulic acid, 4-hydroxy-3-methoxycinnamic acid, is one of the most ubiquitous phenolic acids, found in the
bran of grasses such as wheat, rice, and oats. It belongs to the family of plant hydroxycinnamic acids, which
include caffeic acid, sinapic acid, and p-coumaric acid. Recent studies have provided evidence that ferulic acid reduces the risk of disease, including
Alzheimer’s disease, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, and colon cancer. Currently, ferulic acid is used to enhance athletic
performance, both in humans and racehorses. Supplementation by it has been found to increase muscle strength in weight lifters.
In one animal study a single acute administration of Ferulic acid increased swimming time by 170%.
Ferulic acid prevented the decrease in catalase, superoxide dismutase and protected against the depletion of GST activity induced by exhaustive
exercise.
Exercise can be associated with oxidative stress. Thus exercise can act as a powerful source of Reactive Oxygen Species, depending on duration and intensity. During exhaustive exercise, fat is typically used as the primary energy source, thus sparing glycogen stores, which in turn retards fatigue. However, during strenuous exercise substantial production of ROS occurs via beta oxidation during the utilization of fat.
In addition, a dramatic increase in oxygen consumption in the body creates an imbalance between ROS and the antioxidant defense system resulting in fatigue.
Acute adminstration of Ferulic acid prevents fatigue, increases endurance and protects the body during exhaustive exercise.
Chlorogenic acid
CA often reffered to as green coffee extract is widely known for its antiobesity effects via PPARa agonism and by preventing proliferation of new fat cells. CA can increase muscular glucose uptake both by stimulating Non insulin dependent AMPK as well as stimulating pAKt. Great for keeping bodyfat off while promoting muscle growth.
Tormentic acid
Anti diabetic
Glut4
AMPK
REFS:
1.Loquat leaf extract enhances myogenic differentiation, improves muscle function and attenuates muscle loss in aged rats.
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2.Loquat (Eriobotrya japonica) extract prevents dexamethasone-induced muscle atrophy by inhibiting the muscle degradation pathway in Sprague Dawley rats.
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3.Effect of Loquat Leaf Extract on Muscle Strength, Muscle Mass, and Muscle Function in Healthy Adults: A Randomized, Double-Blinded, and Placebo-Controlled Trial
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4.Ethanol Extract of Eriobotrya japonica Leaves Enhanced Swimming Capacity in Mice
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5.Cell Suspension Culture of Eriobotrya japonica Regulates the Diabetic and Hyperlipidemic Signs of High-Fat-Fed Mice
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6.Tormentic Acid, a Major Component of Suspension Cells of Eriobotrya japonica, Suppresses High-Fat Diet-Induced Diabetes and Hyperlipidemia by Glucose Transporter 4 and AMP-Activated Protein Kinase Phosphorylation
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Studhorse
Legend
Condensed version:
This is just one or 3 ingredients in VECTOR.= AVG. 10lb of muscle in 45 days.
assuming everything else is in check.
brundel
Board Sponsor
The long winded stuff is for those people who really want to know exactly whats going on.
For those who dont. This is a list of constituents-
Epicatechin
Ursolic acid
Chlorogenic acid
Corosolic acid
Oleanolic acid
Caffeic acid
Procyanidin B2
Protocatechuic acid
Ferulic acid
Tormentic acid
Naringenin
Ellagic acid
EGCG
Quercetin
You can expect-
Muscle mass
Fat loss
Performance enhancement
The above list of compounds is pretty exciting.
Afi140
Legend
True. Dat. Looks very good! Can’t wait!
Joepower
Member
Good god take my money!
leroyjenkinss
New member
So EJ contains all of those ingredients? That sounds a bit crazy, no?
brundel
Board Sponsor
Well its not interesting or unusual that a plant has so many chemicals. Some have hundreds of chemicals.
What makes this one so special is that this one has so many that are active meaning so many of them are beneficial for muscle growth, fat loss or performance enhancement. This, my friend, is exactly why we are so excited about this stuff. When the extract is strong enough these compounds are present in high enough quantities that they are all active. Pretty impressive stuff right?
You should see how well it works!
Then imagine we have combined it with 2 other plants that are equally exciting.
Vector is a powerhouse.
leroyjenkinss
New member
Hasn't this ingredient been used in other products already? I don't know any off of the top of my head but it definitely looks familiar.
HeadHunter34
New member
I'm in. I love strong supplement shop.
musclemaker
Board Sponsor
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brundel
Board Sponsor
I wouldn't be surprised. I don't know of any but you have to remember one thing.
Not all extracts are equal. Not at all.
It takes 100 kilos of plant material to = 1kilo of our extract. It's exquisite.
I guarantee no product on earth has ever had what we have.
I'll guarantee that.
leroyjenkinss
New member
When do we get more details on the other ingredients?
Afi140
Legend
Soon
I’m sure as the release inches closer he will disclose more and more. I’m as anxious as you. Trust me.
musclemaker
Board Sponsor
Stay tuned, more info coming soon for sure. Make sure you are on our email list as well.
https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/email-sign-up
LeanEngineer
Legend
Definitely sign up guys. Get the latest supplement news by email!!
jt75
Well-known member
What are you liking about it Joe?
Joepower
Member
Getting stronger, more vascular, libidio has gone through the roof! I'm starting to lean out in my mid-section as well. Overall, I just feel good on it too.
I also love that I don't have to do pct after, low maintenance.
brundel
Board Sponsor
In the next couple of days well talk about ingredient 2.
Raws are ready and in quality control testing. Should ship to us tomorrow.
We are on track or ahead of sched.
jt75
Well-known member
Sounds great, how many days you been on it?
Joepower
Member
I have to check how many caps when I get back home but I am around 2 - 2 1/2 weeks in.
musclemaker
Board Sponsor
Love it! I know a few guys on our team are going to start running it as well. Hard Rock always kills it.
Afi140
Legend
Yeah they do. Very effective products that deliver. Haven’t had one fail me yet
Ricky10
Well-known member
I am a huge fan of R-Andro Shred! I wish it were a bit more affordable but at least it works!
musclemaker
Board Sponsor
I hear ya buddy. The landscape of hardcore supps has dramatically changed over the years but at least some brands have continued to deliver in spite of all the changes.