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NTNM - Diet , my un-scientific approach to leanness

SFreed said:
Plus, being in the water hides the erection. Win Win.
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LOL, right! I doubt I get an erection with all that old, fat people around me. I choose that sport for joint rehab + cal burning, not for sexual pleasure, you perv!
 
hairygrandpa said:
LOL, right! I doubt I get an erection with all that old, fat people around me. I choose that sport for joint rehab + cal burning, not for sexual pleasure, you perv!
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Hey, you don't have to explain yourself to me! I've seen those German videos on PornHub.
 
Kaprice said:
Yeah, I had to cancel my gym membership for budget reasons and stopped working out at the park because of scheduling. Ate like a madman over the 3 holidays. Overall, I gained 20 pounds from my low (still 25 pounds lower than my high) and have dropped about 3 since the gain.

I plan to get back into jogging a couple of miles 2 or 3 days a week and get some basic bodyweight exercises in on the other day. Also, impoving my eating -- though I'm not yet at the point of eating clean.

I have not given up, though. I'll get serious soon.
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Sorry to hear about the struggles brother. Life certainly has a way of pulling us in the direction we don't want to go and throwing extra weight on our shoulders.

Glad you are still here and fighting.

I always joke about my fasting, telling people I start each year fasting until I get a big sale - no sales, no food. Haha.

SFreed said:
We all need you. You're the brains of the bunch. Kind of scary, isn't it.
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Haha, very scary! Good thing you got the humor covered though.

And...you may actually be the brains too....

hairygrandpa said:
LOL, right! I doubt I get an erection with all that old, fat people around me. I choose that sport for joint rehab + cal burning, not for sexual pleasure, you perv!
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First off, if it is such great fat burning exercise, why is everyone fat around you? Second off...stop lying. We don't judge. We know it turns you on.

On the other hand....maybe you need viagra?
 
My about the same age friend-you can’t leave AM! Our health is the only thing that matters. All the money and things in the world are useless without health, as you know.

I’ve thought about leaving AM a few times but kept coming back. I believe that it was me simply feeling burnt with the lifting and diet tracking. This lifestyle is hard but worth it.

Stay. Motivate the young ones! (Besides, you are the only one that comes into my log to motivate me!)
 
kenpoengineer said:
My about the same age friend-you can’t leave AM! Our health is the only thing that matters. All the money and things in the world are useless without health, as you know.

I’ve thought about leaving AM a few times but kept coming back. I believe that it was me simply feeling burnt with the lifting and diet tracking. This lifestyle is hard but worth it.

Stay. Motivate the young ones! (Besides, you are the only one that comes into my log to motivate me!)
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This is so true. Logging on here is a lot of work and time consuming. And doing the actual work to have something log is hard enough. I LOVED when I had all the support on here from my log, it really drove me, but it also kind of burned me out a little. I have a lot going on in my life right now, as do most people, and it's just hard to keep up with.

But on some level, I am weak and that is just an excuse. Just because life is trying to push me away, doesn't mean I should let it. But it is pretty damned hard.

Some of the guys on here probably don't realize the impact they've had on the REAL lives of others. There are so many guys on here I think about when I am doing what I SHOULD be doing.

Just some examples and I am leaving a ton of people out so I apologize in advance:
SFreed and BEAST73 come to mind every time I step on a treadmill, which isn't as often as it should be.

I think of hairygrandpa and picture him shaking his finger at me whenever I want a slice of pizza or some chocolate.

Whenever I am saving someone's life I think of FireTitan...but I never do that so....I think of him a lot when I am lifting heavier weights.

Whenever I step on a scale and start creeping up I think of Kaprice and think...man, I'm proving that b@stard right!

So many more...and I have to get some work done...but you get the idea.
 
HIT4ME said:
This is so true. Logging on here is a lot of work and time consuming. And doing the actual work to have something log is hard enough. I LOVED when I had all the support on here from my log, it really drove me, but it also kind of burned me out a little. I have a lot going on in my life right now, as do most people, and it's just hard to keep up with.

But on some level, I am weak and that is just an excuse. Just because life is trying to push me away, doesn't mean I should let it. But it is pretty damned hard.

Some of the guys on here probably don't realize the impact they've had on the REAL lives of others. There are so many guys on here I think about when I am doing what I SHOULD be doing.

Just some examples and I am leaving a ton of people out so I apologize in advance:
SFreed and BEAST73 come to mind every time I step on a treadmill, which isn't as often as it should be.

I think of hairygrandpa and picture him shaking his finger at me whenever I want a slice of pizza or some chocolate.

Whenever I am saving someone's life I think of FireTitan...but I never do that so....I think of him a lot when I am lifting heavier weights.

Whenever I step on a scale and start creeping up I think of Kaprice and think...man, I'm proving that b@stard right!

So many more...and I have to get some work done...but you get the idea.
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And anytime you think of saying F*** It, Let's do something stupid. You can think of me. Lol
 
DemntedCowboy said:
And anytime you think of saying F*** It, Let's do something stupid. You can think of me. Lol
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Smart or stupid, at least you get **** done haha! In all seriousness you are a very hard worker. The people on here who are consistent, like you, an awe inspiring group.

On a side note, that is one of the things that I have learned over the last year or so - we vastly over value intelligence in our society. It is a rare commodity, yet we all think we have it and we all want to lean on it. In the business world I used to be really worried about trying to be "smart" and I've come to realize that everyone is trying to be the smartest guy in the room and I am far better of letting them have that, and just being the hardest worker in the room.
 
And having just re-read that, and realizing it may have come out wrong - it wasn't directed at you cowboy. More thoughts on myself and such.
 
We are just one big CRAZY Family !!
 
The friendships I've found here will be with me forever. Through work issues and personal issues, the gym and AM are the one constant. I come one here and get support from someone who has been through the same things, or find someone needing a pat on the back or a kick in the a$$. Helping you guys in some small way helps me work through my own issues.

My brothers that I will probably never meet.
 
I joined a gym 35 years ago and it has been out of business for 20 years, but the friends I made there are friends for life.
 
On vacation I did what I always do: Found me a play ground (with as few children as possible) and did chin ups, BW triceps extensions and elevated push ups. Did it once per week (2 times total).

After 14 days of almost no gym, yesterday I did:

Deadlifts,chin ups,DB flat bench press,seated row, leg press, leg extensions,3 shoulder exercises, inclined bench machine, DB hex press. All with moderate weights - high volume.
The off time healed (almost) my shoulder issue, now gonna implement more free weights instead of machines and starting with baby steps to do squats.

Will report back after my first Hydro Gym.
 
SFreed said:
The friendships I've found here will be with me forever. Through work issues and personal issues, the gym and AM are the one constant. I come one here and get support from someone who has been through the same things, or find someone needing a pat on the back or a kick in the a$$. Helping you guys in some small way helps me work through my own issues.

My brothers that I will probably never meet.
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Simon Sinek, who I have become a huge fan of, talks about this actually. He says that alcoholics anonymous has a 12 step program and they have done research and found that if you do all 11 steps and don't do the 12th step, you will likely fail. What's the 12th step? Help someone else who has an alcohol addiction.

He says, if you want something in life, help someone else get it first.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Just move your lazy azz! I even go to Hydro Gym with old people (knowing very well that it's the world best fat loss exercise in existence, because water absorbs your body heat, you burn way more calories that way). I figured, that once I reached my goal (some visible abs, about 15% BF) I should be able to hold it.
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As long as you keep doing the things you did to get there. If you stop... the yoyo begins again. That's the bummer we never get to go on cruise control. If we do then we backslide whether that be gaining fat, or losing muscle, or conditioning. Most of us can plan the plan to get there but are so done with the plan by the time we get there we just gradually relax and get back to something we find unnacceptable. Now for me luckily the line I find unacceptable has gotten better and better with time. So I gradually improve my bottom line regardless. However a plan to maintain is paramount to actually maintaining that condition.
hairygrandpa said:
LOL, right! I doubt I get an erection with all that old, fat people around me. I choose that sport for joint rehab + cal burning, not for sexual pleasure, you perv!
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Okay, now did you just call this "activity" a sport? Do they have Hydro Gym competitions? LMAO!

I do think after doing this a while stopping your body will start bitching at you because there are a lot of known therapeutic uses for water work and water resistance. Maybe sticking with it is the low impact stuff you would need to maintain it and your joints.
 
I wanna share a bit about my decision for hydro gym:

3 years ago I was dying, literally. 14 years of sedentary lifestyle -not moving a single limb, always sitting in front of a computer, eating bad and lots of alcohol brought me to the brink of death.
I went to a doc to see how bad it was. 750 triglycerides, BP 200/120 and higher, borderline diabetic, heart left ventricular hypertrophy, about 40% BF, panic attacks, 255lbs at 5'8. The doc prescribed me a sh1tload of pills like beta blockers, finasteride and whatnot. I knew what the problem was and discarded all meds.
I searched the internet for a "boot camp" -or something where I could check myself in, away from family and with a hard regime of diet and exercise, that is over watched by a physician. There was only one private sanatorium in Argentina that offered exactly that. It was in the mountains away from major cities. I checked myself in for a month, paying the equivalent of a new medium sized car. It was the best investment of my life.
They had a strict diet of 850kcal/day total, divided into 5 meals (well, 5 bites). Daily BP control, weekly ekg and lab tests. Exercise was:
Mornings:
3 miles hiking through the hills
noon:
Hydro gym 1 hour + 1 hour handball in the pool
late afternoon:
either gym (mainly body weight, circuit with rubber bands and medicine ball) or 3 miles hiking

I lost 30lbs in a month and felt great afterwards, it gave me the start for a new life. The Hydro gym was one of the most beneficial activities I ever did AND it's not for puzzies, if you do it vigorously. I recommend it to all older folks who feel stiff and "un-sporty" due to joint issues, it gives you joint relief, greater range of motion and burns fat like crazy by heat absorption from water.
 
You've had an interesting journey hairygrandpa, and I'm glad I was around for it.

If I can ask a question, and I don't mean any disrespect at all, but if you could do it all over, would you still take all the chemicals you have?
 
SFreed said:
You've had an interesting journey hairygrandpa, and I'm glad I was around for it.

If I can ask a question, and I don't mean any disrespect at all, but if you could do it all over, would you still take all the chemicals you have?
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No, I would not -and I don't recommend it to anyone, especially if BF% is high, the side effects are terrible.
Going on TRT was the only right decision when talking "chemicals", it ended my panic attacks.
I'm really done with experimenting and will keep a cruise/blast regime with as few compounds possible.
 
SFreed said:
You've had an interesting journey hairygrandpa, and I'm glad I was around for it.

If I can ask a question, and I don't mean any disrespect at all, but if you could do it all over, would you still take all the chemicals you have?
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Yes, if I had to do it all over again I would have HGP take all the chemicals and then some. It was relatively painless for me and I learned a ton.
 
HIT4ME said:
Yes, if I had to do it all over again I would have HGP take all the chemicals and then some. It was relatively painless for me and I learned a ton.
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LOL!
I remember vividly my struggles. Bloated like a puffer fish, lactating (TWICE!), bouts of high BP, prostate swelling, gyno from trest, insomnia, cramps in my lats (you have to try that -its a new experience), high RBC and BP, BP too low due to interactions of compounds, explosive diarrhea for 3 days (TWICE) for miscalculating L-carnitine dosages, fugged up knees due to crushing estrogen, crazy crystal meth-like experiences from stims, perma boner from Melanotan, deca d1ck and whatnot.
 
hairygrandpa said:
LOL!
I remember vividly my struggles. Bloated like a puffer fish, lactating (TWICE!), bouts of high BP, prostate swelling, gyno from trest, insomnia, cramps in my lats (you have to try that -its a new experience), high RBC and BP, BP too low due to interactions of compounds, explosive diarrhea for 3 days (TWICE) for miscalculating L-carnitine dosages, fugged up knees due to crushing estrogen, crazy crystal meth-like experiences from stims, perma boner from Melanotan, deca d1ck and whatnot.
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I remember the L carnitine episode and I’ve only been a round for a bit
 
hairygrandpa said:
LOL!
I remember vividly my struggles. Bloated like a puffer fish, lactating (TWICE!), bouts of high BP, prostate swelling, gyno from trest, insomnia, cramps in my lats (you have to try that -its a new experience), high RBC and BP, BP too low due to interactions of compounds, explosive diarrhea for 3 days (TWICE) for miscalculating L-carnitine dosages, fugged up knees due to crushing estrogen, crazy crystal meth-like experiences from stims, perma boner from Melanotan, deca d1ck and whatnot.
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Yeah, but, well, I didn't feel a thing. I barely even noticed any of it.

I love how Germans are all about science and experiment when they are wearing the lab coats. But once they are on the other end of the experiment - "Oh no! The side effects are horrendous!" (of course I am kidding)

FOR SCIENCE!!!
 
MrKleen73 said:
As long as you keep doing the things you did to get there. If you stop... the yoyo begins again. That's the bummer we never get to go on cruise control. If we do then we backslide whether that be gaining fat, or losing muscle, or conditioning. Most of us can plan the plan to get there but are so done with the plan by the time we get there we just gradually relax and get back to something we find unnacceptable. Now for me luckily the line I find unacceptable has gotten better and better with time. So I gradually improve my bottom line regardless. However a plan to maintain is paramount to actually maintaining that condition.


Okay, now did you just call this "activity" a sport? Do they have Hydro Gym competitions? LMAO!

I do think after doing this a while stopping your body will start bitching at you because there are a lot of known therapeutic uses for water work and water resistance. Maybe sticking with it is the low impact stuff you would need to maintain it and your joints.
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That is something I have noticed EXACTLY too. When I was 300 pounds, I didn't notice anything really. Didn't even think about it or feel anything. Then I got to 240 and maintained that. Then I got down to 180 and fell back to 215-220. Then I did it again and got to 165 and fell back to 190.

I stayed at 190 for a while but I was starting to feel fat there. Now I've gained another 12 pounds over the past 4 months and I REALLY REALLY feel like a fat f#ck. I am upset for being here to be honest.

I think, beyond some physiological processes that may get corrected by reasonable yo-yo dieting with a positive trend, there is also a slow raising of standards that takes place.
 
HIT4ME said:
Yeah, but, well, I didn't feel a thing. I barely even noticed any of it.

I love how Germans are all about science and experiment when they are wearing the lab coats. But once they are on the other end of the experiment - "Oh no! The side effects are horrendous!" (of course I am kidding)

FOR SCIENCE!!!
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Now you gonna tell me that sh1tting my intestines out for 3 straight days was all in my head? :) I slept sitting ON the toilet, no joke. LMAO!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Now you gonna tell me that sh1tting my intestines out for 3 straight days was all in my head? :) I slept sitting ON the toilet, no joke. LMAO!
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Yeah, but see, you can laugh about it now!
 
HIT4ME said:
Yeah, but see, you can laugh about it now!
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I never really lost my humor, exception are my fugged up knees. Never do Epistane and an AI -and skip injecting dog medicine into your knees, lesson learned.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I never really lost my humor, exception are my fugged up knees. Never do Epistane and an AI -and skip injecting dog medicine into your knees, lesson learned.
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Brother - some of that sh1t you tried was so balsy and cutting edge. I wouldn't ever recommend anyone try it, for sure, but I am impressed with your curiosity levels. Glad you got through it and have your life and only a slight studder to show for it all.
 
Lat cramps are very painful !!!
 
HIT4ME said:
Brother - some of that sh1t you tried was so balsy and cutting edge. I wouldn't ever recommend anyone try it, for sure, but I am impressed with your curiosity levels. Glad you got through it and have your life and only a slight studder to show for it all.
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I found some Astragalosides, injections used in china on cattle for immunomodulation therapy and as anti-viral. Wondering if one could use it for flu or something....
 
hairygrandpa said:
I found some Astragalosides, injections used in china on cattle for immunomodulation therapy and as anti-viral. Wondering if one could use it for flu or something....
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How about mental sickness?
 
HIT4ME said:
LOL - being fat AND weak is horrible for your knees!
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Yes it is. I remember having a corner lot, and cutting half my yard, and telling my wife I would cut the other half the following week. I now have an acre and push mow 3 laps around the lot, and then use the rider for the rest to save time.
 
In my defense, I was trying to decide what term translated the best and "chemicals" seemed like the best one.

And I agree with Jeff: it was painless and I learned a lot!
 
[video=youtube;mbq4YJfbmlM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbq4YJfbmlM[/video]

I can't do anything that guy does, anyone?

Those push ups at 1:13 mark look impressive!!!
 
hairygrandpa said:
[video=youtube;mbq4YJfbmlM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbq4YJfbmlM[/video]

I can't do anything that guy does, anyone?

Those push ups at 1:13 mark look impressive!!!
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Great. Now I feel bad.
 
Just impressive. He must have been a gymnast for a while, or seems like he probably would have been. Funny but now I would rather be able to do a lot of that other stuff than deadlift 600+ lbs. I used to do a lot of that type of stuff, not to the degree he did but knowing I used to be able to do a lot of it and can't now even though I am stronger is like HMMMM.... Could I train myself to do that now?
 
hairygrandpa said:
[video=youtube;mbq4YJfbmlM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbq4YJfbmlM[/video]

I can't do anything that guy does, anyone?

Those push ups at 1:13 mark look impressive!!!
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1:28 when he's running on the beach and jumps in the water. I'd be all over that shyt.

Other than that, no. None of it.
 
hairygrandpa said:
[video=youtube;mbq4YJfbmlM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbq4YJfbmlM[/video]

I can't do anything that guy does, anyone?

Those push ups at 1:13 mark look impressive!!!
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I could do that kinda stuff in my 20's when I was still on Active Duty. Not so much anymore. Lol
 
Good news for me. Today I started doing exercises I could not do in the past because of injuries.

Did smith machine squats after 1year+ pause (both knees fugged)
45lbs x10
90lbs x10
130lbs x18 (I know, it's light -but for me its awesome!)

Did DB bench press after almost a year pause (right shoulder fugged up)
2x 35lbs x12
2x 45lbs x12
2x 65lbs x14 (no world record -but I'm happy)

After that I did my regular workout with deadlifts, pull ups and so on.
 
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