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muscleupcrohn said:
Yes, vast majority, as even foods like rice, oats, etc. all have some minor amount of protein. Hence if you get even 5g protein from them, you aren’t getting ALL of your protein from supplements.

How on earth are you comparing his to spraining an ankle? I mean, it’s less terrible than your “killing cops” comparison, but that’s not really saying much.
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You said harming the body is the same as health consequences.

Its not. Hence the sprained ankle
 
Bintherduntht said:
Brother, that 5G protein is case in point.

Did that come from a shake? So you did NOT GET ALL of your protein from shakes.

If you want to drag this out
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This entire time I’ve been saying that you still need non-protein dense food sources like fruits/vegetables/oats/rice/etc. I’ve made it explicitly clear that I am referring to replacing PROTEIN sources like chicken, beef, eggs, fish, etc. with supplements. I have repeatedly said its asinine to eat nothing but shakes, but it’s also asinine to eat nothing but chicken, so your argument means nothing.
 
Bintherduntht said:
I admitted I was wrong about the kidney topic... I stand by what I say about getting all your protein from supplements.

Your DICK IS WAYYY BIGGER than mine bro!

I can't believe I'm stooping to your level. Happy holidays sir. And Godbless
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I'm not even going to bother to multi-quote all the stupidity in this. You can't accept an analogy between a human and a human baby, but you make analogies comparing getting protein from a supplement to using PCP and killing cops?

You could NEVER "stoop" to Muscleupcrohn's level brother. His knowledge level would require you get a very tall ladder to be at his level. You don't even have a basic comprehension of logic and reason. It makes it very difficult to have a conversation. Like I said, I wasn't even going to get involved, but you have spouted so much nonsense as if you are some kind of authority that I didn't want someone who really is trying to learn to come across it and think it was truth in any way shape or form.

You do realize there are actual doctor designed, medical diets which rely on supplements as the sole source of food intake, right? Sure, it's an extreme situation and not ideal for the general population - but it is certainly possible and even maybe necessary in some instances and healthier than the alternatives. Your entire premise is flawed.
 
Bintherduntht said:
Like?
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Spraining an ankle typically puts you at risk of reinjury to that ankle or injury to the contralateral side due to overcompensation. You also can't use that leg properly while it heals, so you're limited to what activities and exercise you can participate in. It also affects your quality of life. I can keep going if you want, but if you think a healthy person includes someone that is limping due to an injury, then we're probably not going to agree.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
I tried to give him an easy out, but he's holding firm on injured somehow equaling healthy.
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In his defense, I can find a quote by Patrick Arnold himself, on this very site that says....

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creatinine is elevated in kidney disease. taking creatine (which all converts to creatinine) therefore gives you kidney disease.
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Of course, it was years ago and he was being very sarcastic...
 
muscleupcrohn said:
This entire time I’ve been saying that you still need non-protein dense food sources like fruits/vegetables/oats/rice/etc. I’ve made it explicitly clear that I am referring to replacing PROTEIN sources like chicken, beef, eggs, fish, etc. with supplements. I have repeatedly said its asinine to eat nothing but shakes, but it’s also asinine to eat nothing but chicken, so your argument means nothing.
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I never said EAT CHICKEN.
 
HIT4ME said:
I'm not even going to bother to multi-quote all the stupidity in this. You can't accept an analogy between a human and a human baby, but you make analogies comparing getting protein from a supplement to using PCP and killing cops?

You could NEVER "stoop" to Muscleupcrohn's level brother. His knowledge level would require you get a very tall ladder to be at his level. You don't even have a basic comprehension of logic and reason. It makes it very difficult to have a conversation. Like I said, I wasn't even going to get involved, but you have spouted so much nonsense as if you are some kind of authority that I didn't want someone who really is trying to learn to come across it and think it was truth in any way shape or form.

You do realize there are actual doctor designed, medical diets which rely on supplements as the sole source of food intake, right? Sure, it's an extreme situation and not ideal for the general population - but it is certainly possible and even maybe necessary in some instances and healthier than the alternatives. Your entire premise is flawed.
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And? I do not care what you think.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Spraining an ankle typically puts you at risk of reinjury to that ankle or injury to the contralateral side due to overcompensation. You also can't use that leg properly while it heals, so you're limited to what activities and exercise you can participate in. It also affects your quality of life. I can keep going if you want, but if you think a healthy person includes someone that is limping due to an injury, then we're probably not going to agree.
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Your health man... Does it make you sick? I've sprained both ankles, recovered from full body tendonitis, as in knives stabbing my ****ing joints. Carpal tunnel. 2 concussions. THE DOCTOR said I'm healthy as a horse. Bloods good. PAIN IS TEMPORARY, IT MAY LAST A MINUTE, AN HOUR, OR EVEN A DAY

IF I QUIT HOWEVER, IT WILL LAST A LIFETIME.

A physical injury might put you on crutches, or laid up. But will not affect your health, at least long term.

These are temporary.

I've had swine flu etc...
 
Bintherduntht said:
I never said EAT CHICKEN.
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Then you aren’t saying anything of substance at all. No one should consume only protein shakes daily, and no one should only consume chicken every day. Chicken is a whole food, but alone it isn’t sufficient for health, just as a protein supplement alone isn’t. The entire argument, at least for any reasonable person, is if you can rely on protein supplements as your primary sources of protein, as in what you count on for your protein intake, as the few grams you get from rice/oats/etc aren’t really significant, and I wouldn’t really rely on them for dusky protein intake.
Bintherduntht said:
Your health man... Does it make you sick? I've sprained both ankles, recovered from full body tendonitis, as in knives stabbing my ****ing joints. Carpal tunnel. 2 concussions. THE DOCTOR said I'm healthy as a horse. Bloods good. PAIN IS TEMPORARY, IT MAY LAST A MINUTE, AN HOUR, OR EVEN A DAY

IF I QUIT HOWEVER, IT WILL LAST A LIFETIME.

A physical injury might put you on crutches, or laid up. But will not affect your health, at least long term.

These are temporary.

I've had swine flu etc...
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So swine flu, Ebola, et al. don’t affect your health because they’re temporary? You mention whole-body tendinitis; how is that not affecting your health? What does quitting have to do with the price of tea in China? So physical injuries don’t affect your health? Being a paraplegic doesn’t affect your health then?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Then you aren’t saying anything of substance at all. No one should consume only protein shakes daily, and no one should only consume chicken every day. Chicken is a whole food, but alone it isn’t sufficient for health, just as a protein supplement alone isn’t. The entire argument, at least for any reasonable person, is if you can rely on protein supplements as your primary sources of protein, as in what you count on for your protein intake, as the few grams you get from rice/oats/etc aren’t really significant, and I wouldn’t really rely on them for dusky protein intake.

So swine flu, Ebola, et al. don’t affect your health because they’re temporary? You mention whole-body tendinitis; how is that not affecting your health? What does quitting have to do with the price of tea in China? So physical injuries don’t affect your health? Being a paraplegic doesn’t affect your health then?
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First of all, in your first statement... You can afford protein supplements... But not eggs? Any meat? QUIONA? BEANS? No.

Second of all, you're taking this whole health/injury thing out of context.
 
Bintherduntht said:
First of all, in your first statement... You can afford protein supplements... But not eggs? Any meat? QUIONA? BEANS? No.

Second of all, you're taking this whole health/injury thing out of context.
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I never mentioned cost or what I can afford. You said that you CAN’T do it. I agree that if you can afford protein supplements you can afford eggs/chicken/beef/etc. This has never been about what you should do, as this protein supplements as the basis of your protein intake in place of whole foods is silly and has no real benefits, but it’s entirely possible without adversely affecting your health, and isn’t inherently unhealthy. Do you even know what the topic here is?
 
Bintherduntht said:
Turns out that it takes 1.5 hours for viscous liquids (e.g. a whey proteinshake) to pass through the section of the gut that can actually absorb it. But that's not the breaking news. Here's the big story. The maximum rate that whey protein can be absorbed is about 8-10 grams per hour.
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Off topic, but you should cite where you took this from or list the author.

And I know muscleupcrohn has been doing the good work of continuing to try to get your clarification on what you said below...

Bintherduntht said:
That is not possible. You cannot get all your protein just from shakes...
You can try... I guarantee it will harm the body. You will be ****tin all day, your stomach will hurt. That is completely absurd and unhealthy.
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Bintherduntht said:
I NEVER said it was UNHEALTHY. Read the thread.
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See your own quote above, "unhealthy" in bold.

Bintherduntht said:
I NEVER said anything about "health consequences"
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.....so at this point I guess I'm just narrowing down my question to this - what exactly did you mean when you said "it will harm the body"? If you're NOT talking about it being "unhealthy" and NOT talking about "health consequences", then again, in what fashion or sense will the body be harmed?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I never mentioned cost or what I can afford. You said that you CAN’T do it. I agree that if you can afford protein supplements you can afford eggs/chicken/beef/etc. This has never been about what you should do, as this protein supplements as the basis of your protein intake in place of whole foods is silly and has no real benefits, but it’s entirely possible without adversely affecting your health, and isn’t inherently unhealthy. Do you even know what the topic here is?
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Ok you do that. I'm gonna eat real food. With a shake here and there.

And not that overpriced muscletech bs
 
Alan1 said:
Off topic, but you should cite where you took this from or list the author.

And I know muscleupcrohn has been doing the good work of continuing to try to get your clarification on what you said below...





See your own quote above, "unhealthy" in bold.



.....so at this point I guess I'm just narrowing down my question to this - what exactly did you mean when you said "it will harm the body"? If you're NOT talking about it being "unhealthy" and NOT talking about "health consequences", then again, in what fashion or sense will the body be harmed?
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Damn ok I'm human!
 
Alan1 said:
Off topic, but you should cite where you took this from or list the author.

And I know muscleupcrohn has been doing the good work of continuing to try to get your clarification on what you said below...





See your own quote above, "unhealthy" in bold.



.....so at this point I guess I'm just narrowing down my question to this - what exactly did you mean when you said "it will harm the body"? If you're NOT talking about it being "unhealthy" and NOT talking about "health consequences", then again, in what fashion or sense will the body be harmed?
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Does it matter anymore?
 
Bintherduntht said:
Ok you do that. I'm gonna eat real food. With a shake here and there.

And not that overpriced muscletech bs
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I never said that I’m doing this. In fact, I repeatedly said I’m not doing this, only that it is possible, and not inherently harmful or unhealthy like you said it was. I’d say this is like talking to a brick wall, but at least the brick wall wouldn’t be telling me back that I said things I never said.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
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I never said that I’m doing this. In fact, I repeatedly said I’m not doing this, only that it is possible, and not inherently harmful or unhealthy like you said it was. I’d say this is like talking to a brick wall, but at least the brick wall wouldn’t be telling me back that I said things I never said.
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Do YOU KNOW ANYONE THAT FOLLOWS THIS PROTOCOL?

YOI DONT...

IF YOU DO KNOW SOMEONE? HOW'S THEIR PHYSIQUE?

CAN YOU POST A PIC OF A BODYBUILDER THAT DOES THIS?
 
Bintherduntht said:
Do YOU KNOW ANYONE THAT FOLLOWS THIS PROTOCOL?

YOI DONT...

IF YOU DO KNOW SOMEONE? HOW'S THEIR PHYSIQUE?

CAN YOU POST A PIC OF A BODYBUILDER THAT DOES THIS?
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No one is arguing that it’s ideal or will yield the best results for a bodybuilder. You said that it’s unhealthy and will harm the body. I disagreed. So you concede that it doesn’t have to be unhealthy or harmful?
 
Bintherduntht said:
Can you prove me otherwise?
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I have a hell of a lot more support than you did.

I explained that you don’t have to rely solely on whey, which means you won’t be consuming too much dairy.

I also mentioned that you can still ensure you get sufficient micro and macronutrient intake from fruits, vegetables, oats, rice, nuts, etc., which you should be doing regardless of if you have a ton of protein supplements or none.

What is the evidence or support for your argument?
 
Bintherduntht said:
And? I do not care what you think.
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Oh, I hadn't realized that. I thought you were hanging on every word. I am so hurt.

And in light of this new information, stellar argument that it is, you have totally swayed me and I now see the error in my ways. Obviously getting all of your protein from supplements is unhealthy. Actually, you have proven to me that getting all of your protein from protein is detrimental to your health.

I am still not sure what the health consequences are though...but if you say so, it must be.

Bintherduntht said:
Do YOU KNOW ANYONE THAT FOLLOWS THIS PROTOCOL?

YOI DONT...

IF YOU DO KNOW SOMEONE? HOW'S THEIR PHYSIQUE?

CAN YOU POST A PIC OF A BODYBUILDER THAT DOES THIS?
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He does actually. I have followed this protocol before. I have even followed it for short periods in logs on this site. Now, I am far from a bodybuilder and you are somewhat correct. It had health consequences. I lost a bunch of weight with minimal strength loss and wound up much healthier for it.

On the other hand, I am no bodybuilder but...um...wasnt part of your argument that bodybuilders had higher rates of kidney failure and health issues? Or are they your standard for health now? So, if a bodybuilder would never do it, it can't be healthy, because you can't do unhealthy things and build a lot of lean muscle and keep low bodyfat?

So confused. Do you even know what your point is at this juncture?

Bintherduntht said:
It's unhealthy
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How so?

Bintherduntht said:
Can you prove me otherwise?
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4 words my friend. Protein Sparing Modified Fast. A diet for extremely obese people, designed by doctors to help patients who need to lose weight immediately. It is extreme. In its strictest form, it is liquid protein shakes only and no food. When fed sufficient quality and quantity of supplemental protein, the subjects iften improve their health dramatically while on it. Granted, this is for people starting in extreme health situations and nit for everyone and their brother, but the idea that you can't get all your protein from supplements or shouldn't just isn't a true statement.

Is it ideal for the average person? No one is arguing that, but you make all these claims and refuse to provide any evidence.

As others have said, you are the one making claims and your own lack of ability to provide ANY evidence or a specific health consequence for your statements should tell you a lot, and we all see it at this point. We are trying to help you see and learn. Sitting here debating this does nothing for us (beyond provide some comedic relief in our day).
 
I think the argument here should be that some companies make spiked protein supplements that are garbage. By eating real food you are guaranteeing what you are getting (in most cases) but with whey coming from milk plus beef isolate powder and soy powder etc. If you get all your protein from these supplemental sources and they are legit then it IS coming from real food. It's not like a protein supplement is a fake protein cooked up in a lab. The other argument would be why spend £50 on a tub of protein when you can spend the same money on actual food and get more bang for your buck but again that doesn't mean you can't use supplements as your protein source only that from an expense standpoint it would be a bit foolish.
 
Wobmarvel said:
I think the argument here should be that some companies make spiked protein supplements that are garbage. By eating real food you are guaranteeing what you are getting (in most cases) but with whey coming from milk plus beef isolate powder and soy powder etc. If you get all your protein from these supplemental sources and they are legit then it IS coming from real food. It's not like a protein supplement is a fake protein cooked up in a lab. The other argument would be why spend £50 on a tub of protein when you can spend the same money on actual food and get more bang for your buck but again that doesn't mean you can't use supplements as your protein source only that from an expense standpoint it would be a bit foolish.
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Why eat powdered beef, instead of real beef?
 
Wobmarvel said:
I think the argument here should be that some companies make spiked protein supplements that are garbage. By eating real food you are guaranteeing what you are getting (in most cases) but with whey coming from milk plus beef isolate powder and soy powder etc. If you get all your protein from these supplemental sources and they are legit then it IS coming from real food. It's not like a protein supplement is a fake protein cooked up in a lab. The other argument would be why spend £50 on a tub of protein when you can spend the same money on actual food and get more bang for your buck but again that doesn't mean you can't use supplements as your protein source only that from an expense standpoint it would be a bit foolish.
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I trust the food I buy, prepare, and cook, then a proprietary blend in a tub. From some other guy.
 
Bintherduntht said:
I trust the food I buy, prepare, and cook, then a proprietary blend in a tub. From some other guy.
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I get what your saying but none of your arguments are proving that you can't live on protein sources from supplements. Your just reinforcing the arguments I stated and therefore helping reinforce my point.
 
Trust is a huge issue here. Some protein supplements are overpriced and spiked with God knows what. Some chicken from the supermarkets are raised on chemical feed and injected with water to make it look like your getting more than you are. If you know a 100% trustworthy butcher then great. If you have a 100% trustworthy source of protein powder then great. Simply take your pick based on practicality and cost. Your body will not care.
 
Wobmarvel said:
Trust is a huge issue here. Some protein supplements are overpriced and spiked with God knows what. Some chicken from the supermarkets are raised on chemical feed and injected with water to make it look like your getting more than you are. If you know a 100% trustworthy butcher then great. If you have a 100% trustworthy source of protein powder then great. Simply take your pick based on practicality and cost. Your body will not care.
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Your body wants food, meals. Not powder. Logic. Common sense
 
Wobmarvel said:
Trust is a huge issue here. Some protein supplements are overpriced and spiked with God knows what. Some chicken from the supermarkets are raised on chemical feed and injected with water to make it look like your getting more than you are. If you know a 100% trustworthy butcher then great. If you have a 100% trustworthy source of protein powder then great. Simply take your pick based on practicality and cost. Your body will not care.
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It can tell the difference
 
Bintherduntht said:
It can tell the difference
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Actually it can't. Your right, your body wants food, meals. What we are discussing is replacing whole food sources of protein with supplemented protein. You would still need to add in fats, carbs, vitamins, minerals and fibre etc. No one was suggesting you substituted meals for protein powder. You clearly misunderstood the discussion. Beef contains a lot more than just protein, fats, creatine, iron etc. So yes your body can tell the difference between that and a protein beef isolate powder but if you strip that away and just obtain the protein from the beef then that's exactly what you end up with, a beef protein isolate supplement. Give your body the fats creatine and minerals from elswhere and it will not know the difference. Granted this would not be nearly as cost effective but again that wasn't the discussion.
 
Bintherduntht said:
I've sprained both ankles,
recovered from full body tendonitis,
as in knives stabbing my ****ing joints.
Carpal tunnel.
2 concussions..

A physical injury might put you on crutches, or laid up.
But will not affect your health, at least long term

These are temporary.

I've had swine flu etc...
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Out of all the absurd reply’s, the full body tendinopathy has to be my favorite with swine flu coming in close 2nd

Please never let this thread die
 
I'm completely convinced at this point there is a lot of trolling and boosting of post counts going on in here. Once again I leave with a headache. SMH.
 
Bintherduntht said:
Your health man... Does it make you sick? I've sprained both ankles, recovered from full body tendonitis, as in knives stabbing my ****ing joints. Carpal tunnel. 2 concussions. THE DOCTOR said I'm healthy as a horse. Bloods good. PAIN IS TEMPORARY, IT MAY LAST A MINUTE, AN HOUR, OR EVEN A DAY

IF I QUIT HOWEVER, IT WILL LAST A LIFETIME.

A physical injury might put you on crutches, or laid up. But will not affect your health, at least long term.

These are temporary.

I've had swine flu etc...
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take it from a person who has had numerous of concussions and has gone to concussions specialists, yes it can have long term effects on health. just Google it. the amount of data on this is enormous. issues with concussions is it maybe the 9th time you get one or for first time getting one that has negative effects.
 
rtmilburn said:
take it from a person who has had numerous of concussions and has gone to concussions specialists, yes it can have long term effects on health. just Google it. the amount of data on this is enormous. issues with concussions is it maybe the 9th time you get one or for first time getting one that has negative effects.
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Maybe he is, ironically, experiencing adverse effects from his concussions in this very thread?
 
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