Best Nootropic For Mood And Happiness

Ricky10 said:
I have only bought SNS, and this bottle is six months old or less. I just took one gram.
I might pass out, or I may just forget all about what was bringing me down and actually end up having a good day....possibly both!
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The best phenibut I ever had was their first batch they had which was years ago

Their new batches and the powder is still decent though

I’ve gone through 4 days straight stupidly, then for a entire week or less I felt extremely anxious and worried about everything. Horrible come downs. I’ve experimented and went over 1.5g once and never again, eyes were fluttering Uncontrollably and I felt extreme nausea until I passed out with my clothes still on haha

So it definitely needs to be treated in the same respect as pharmaceutical benzos

Don’t go over 1g if you can
Don’t ever take it more than one day
Don’t take it with a heavy or huge meal - be aware with food it can possibly take up to 3 hours to kick in
 
rtmilburn said:
Alcohol klonapin and phenubit!!! **** how are you alive. I'm being serious!! I've had friends die from mixing small amount of a benzo with alcohol. Yes it was a good amount of alcohol but nothing that would have killed them by itself.
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I have been on a maintenance dose of Klonopin for over a decade, so I basically function like anyone else that is not on Klonopin. If I have alcohol one night, come home and I just can’t fall asleep...phenibut has helped..

It’s not like I sit down, take a few shots of Vodka, Klonopin, and 1gram of phenibut as a night cap ;)

Again, I would not advise this to anybody...
 
horizons said:
The best phenibut I ever had was their first batch they had which was years ago

Their new batches and the powder is still decent though

I’ve gone through 4 days straight stupidly, then for a entire week or less I felt extremely anxious and worried about everything. Horrible come downs. I’ve experimented and went over 1.5g once and never again, eyes were fluttering Uncontrollably and I felt extreme nausea until I passed out with my clothes still on haha

So it definitely needs to be treated in the same respect as pharmaceutical benzos

Don’t go over 1g if you can
Don’t ever take it more than one day
Don’t take it with a heavy or huge meal - be aware with food it can possibly take up to 3 hours to kick in
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I have never gone over 1 gram at a time, or more than 2 days of consecutive use. Even then, I have had episodes of withdrawal a few times that were pretty bad...
 
Ricky10 said:
I have never gone over 1 gram at a time, or more than 2 days of consecutive use. Even then, I have had episodes of withdrawal a few times that were pretty bad...
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My mate did a week straight

He was a mess for over a week. Not withdrawals just even worse anxiety than before taking them
 
toddmuelheim said:
What is the best source? Board sponsors obviously
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I would say SNS, not only because it is the only one I have tried..haha! I like how it is pre-capped and the brand has a good reputation.
horizons said:
My mate did a week straight

He was a mess for over a week. Not withdrawals just even worse anxiety than before taking them
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Wow, I really can’t imagine...he must have been flipping out! Yeah, the withdrawals I was referring to was a substantial increase in anxiety...nothing physical..
 
So I am now about an hour post dosage of 1 gram. This is not something I usually take during the daytime and I actually think this may be my first time doing so.

I am certainly more relaxed, but definitely more of a tired relaxation. In comparison to benzos, I think it has a more sedating affect which is why I would never recommend it for presentation or public speaking anxiety.

Xanax for example has much more of a mood lift component and does not compromise energy...for me anyway
 
Ricky10 said:
So I am now about an hour post dosage of 1 gram. This is not something I usually take during the daytime and I actually think this may be my first time doing so.

I am certainly more relaxed, but definitely more of a tired relaxation. In comparison to benzos, I think it has a more sedating affect which is why I would never recommend it for presentation or public speaking anxiety.

Xanax for example has much more of a mood lift component and does not compromise energy...for me anyway
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If I do 500mg plus a cup of coffee or a 200mg caffeine tab it takes away the sedating effect and just boosts my confidence. This is ideal for me for like weddings, bigger group events, ect where I will be around a bunch of people I do not know. So I basically use this combo in place of alcohol since Im not a big drinker anymore lol
 
carguy123 said:
If I do 500mg plus a cup of coffee or a 200mg caffeine tab it takes away the sedating effect and just boosts my confidence. This is ideal for me for like weddings, bigger group events, ect where I will be around a bunch of people I do not know. So I basically use this combo in place of alcohol since Im not a big drinker anymore lol
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Well, you know me. I am kind of tempted to down a couple stims and a Vicaine right now and possibly head out for a workout! I can definitely see it working for social anxiety with the right amount of something stimulating to offset the sedative effects.
 
Ricky10 said:
On a different note, did anybody ever try bromantane?
I think rowz4broz ordered some, but I never saw any feedback?
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Me and another user I’m forgetting who

I think ELROCK?

Anyway I think the source was bunk I dosed normal and high and barely noticed any anti anxiety effects maybe a little more social

Imo tineptine >
 
Ricky10 said:
Well, you know me. I am kind of tempted to down a couple stims and a Vicaine right now and possibly head out for a workout! I can definitely see it working for social anxiety with the right amount of something stimulating to offset the sedative effects.
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Lol, you are a mild fear and loathing. I don't mean that in any negative way, just an observation.
 
kisaj said:
Lol, you are a mild fear and loathing. I don't mean that in any negative way, just an observation.
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I’m really not that bad....just a little bad

I don’t take any drugs that I am not prescribed. I just seek out the same effects through supplements :blink:
 
rowz4broz said:
Me and another user I’m forgetting who

I think ELROCK?

Anyway I think the source was bunk I dosed normal and high and barely noticed any anti anxiety effects maybe a little more social

Imo tineptine >
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I didn’t think it was bunk but it was very subtle for me. Overall, it was a disappointment. Slight anxiolytic effect (at higher doses 150mg) and that’s about it. I think the people that note it’s stimulating efffects are not caffeine or stim users.

And yeah Kratom>tianeptine > Bromantane
 
rowz4broz said:
Me and another user I’m forgetting who

I think ELROCK?

Anyway I think the source was bunk I dosed normal and high and barely noticed any anti anxiety effects maybe a little more social

Imo tineptine >
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ELROCK said:
I didn’t think it was bunk but it was very subtle for me. Overall, it was a disappointment. Slight anxiolytic effect (at higher doses 150mg) and that’s about it. I think the people that note it’s stimulating efffects are not caffeine or stim users.

And yeah Kratom>tianeptine > Bromantane
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Thanks for the feedback! That’s one less thing I will have to buy...
 
So that 1gram phenibut dosage during the day was not all that thrilling. Just kind of laying here in bed with a headache for the past hour. All I can hope for now is the next day euphoria, with my luck that will hit me in the middle of the night when I am trying to sleep.

When I do finally get out of bed and take my stims etc, I think my headache will clear and some good things will happen. I decided this would be a bed day for me as I need to get this lingering cold out of my system!
 
Ricky10 said:
So that 1gram phenibut dosage during the day was not all that thrilling. Just kind of laying here in bed with a headache for the past hour. All I can hope for now is the next day euphoria, with my luck that will hit me in the middle of the night when I am trying to sleep.

When I do finally get out of bed and take my stims etc, I think my headache will clear and some good things will happen. I decided this would be a bed day for me as I need to get this lingering cold out of my system!
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Sounds about right. I never got the mood benefits of phenibut. It's great (in low doses) for anxiety but just makes me sleepy and dumb at higher doses (and often nauseous).
 
Ricky10 said:
Yeah, I am kind of thinking 500mg is better for me to honest.
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I ended up preferring 250 mg. 500 mg was still way too relaxing and completely negated any energy or mood improvements from stimulants. Now I just save it for nights that I really need to catch up on some sleep.
 
Having used Phenibut i can say yes it does have a feel good feeling & great if your suffer anxiety etc

But...... Dont take it too much. I only done 2-3 times a week and once my bottle ran out i never thought i would but i got bad withdrawal's and that is the complete opposite of Phenibut. Very bad depressed feeling that takes a good week or 2 to lift. If used sparingly (Which i thought i was) then the withdrawal should be nill but just a word of warning just incase. They banned Phenibut in the UK due to alot of these problems. But... What dont they ban here!

Kratom for me out shines Phenibut in every way.. Much better feeling overall. But just like Phenibut use sparingly. Banned in the UK also! Such an amazing plant/herb though. Worth a try if you can get yourself some. They do samples so worth trying it a few days and see how you get on ;)
 
bell1986 said:
Having used Phenibut i can say yes it does have a feel good feeling & great if your suffer anxiety etc

But...... Dont take it too much. I only done 2-3 times a week and once my bottle ran out i never thought i would but i got bad withdrawal's and that is the complete opposite of Phenibut. Very bad depressed feeling that takes a good week or 2 to lift. If used sparingly (Which i thought i was) then the withdrawal should be nill but just a word of warning just incase. They banned Phenibut in the UK due to alot of these problems. But... What dont they ban here!

Kratom for me out shines Phenibut in every way.. Much better feeling overall. But just like Phenibut use sparingly. Banned in the UK also! Such an amazing plant/herb though. Worth a try if you can get yourself some. They do samples so worth trying it a few days and see how you get on ;)
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Kratom is impossible to get in Australia :(
 
horizons said:
Kratom is impossible to get in Australia :(
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Banned also?

I dont know why they banned Kratom it really is an awesome plant. I suppose its to do with *addiction* no doubt? I can see thier point but over here we can be prescribed medications that are unbelievably addictive and harmful and i have seen people ruin themself's using them (A friend of mine had this and he looks awful these days due to opiate abuse. These were prescribed from a doctor though for pain relief and he genuinely couldnt get out of bed in the mornings without them and when he tried to stop he took 2 seizures and had to restart them) So.... Kratom can be stopped with very minimal sides but it still can carry some so just be careful and ofcourse moderation. I was recently offered medication ie an opiate and i turned it down instantly and so glad i did as i aint even gonna go down that road. Just shows how easy it can be offered. For some this medication will be a god send so im not knocking it. If controlled and it gives a person a better lease of life then great.

Bit of a rant lol but.. Its the world we live in. If something works then ban it. Seems to be what these pharma companys want to keep sales of thier own products going. Alcohol which i have had very bad problems with in the past. Since using Kratom do you know how many drinks i have had? None. Not even a drop and i plan on keeping it like this. My blood work has been the best its ever been (took 6 weeks ago)

I dont want to just sound one sided but i just say trial and error. If you can get a sample then im sure you will like it. Thier are far worse substances out thier that are legal that we can purchase freely

Rant over lol

Good luck though bro a hope you get what your needing ;)
 
rtmilburn said:
Alcohol klonapin and phenubit!!! **** how are you alive. I'm being serious!! I've had friends die from mixing small amount of a benzo with alcohol. Yes it was a good amount of alcohol but nothing that would have killed them by itself.
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I used to go out after a full day of taking adderall, pop 1-2 mg of ativan or klonipin, then prob drink 8-10 drinks in the span of a few hours.... and then would feel mostly sober only a few hours later.. I guess I have high tolerance to gabaergic drugs lol. deff don't advise this for others obviously....
 
Honestly everyone here messing around with Phenibut... I wouldn't touch that stuff. Just see a reasonable physician who will prescribe 1 mg Ativan (even only 20 tabs) and you can take that as needed for any sleep or anxiety issues. Much safer IMO since the dosing and metabolites are very well established and it doesn't interact with any other medications for the most part.
 
bigdavid said:
Honestly everyone here messing around with Phenibut... I wouldn't touch that stuff. Just see a reasonable physician who will prescribe 1 mg Ativan (even only 20 tabs) and you can take that as needed for any sleep or anxiety issues. Much safer IMO since the dosing and metabolites are very well established and it doesn't interact with any other medications for the most part.
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Super hard for some people to get that
 
bigdavid said:
Honestly everyone here messing around with Phenibut... I wouldn't touch that stuff. Just see a reasonable physician who will prescribe 1 mg Ativan (even only 20 tabs) and you can take that as needed for any sleep or anxiety issues. Much safer IMO since the dosing and metabolites are very well established and it doesn't interact with any other medications for the most part.
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I have personally used it.. At the time i would recommend it but now? No chance.... I felt what the Phenibut withdrawals was all about and i used it sparingly and still felt the depression. Really is a powerful chemical.

I used it for social anxiety and it does have its place but the Pro's dont outweigh the Con's for me to use it again.
 
horizons said:
Super hard for some people to get that
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Yeah I deff understand. There is a trend today for physicians to not want to give benzos out, some don't give them at all, regardless of the reasoning. Thats why I said "reasonable physician", because any dr that generalizes those abusing a drug to those using it for medical purposes, and using it responsibly, is not reasonable. You can usually ask around locally or search online for a dr in your local area that will give out benzos. They sometimes require cash for office visits and may not take insurance, though. Alternatively, if your insurance plan lets you see psychiatry as a primary care category, most psychiatrists will consider giving benzos and also possibly a long term medication for sleep and/or anxiety along with it. But we live in a society where we can choose who treats us to some degree. No we cant pick who we get if we go to the ER or a teaching hospital. But we can choose our drs in the private sector, and if you don't like who you saw for any reason see someone else. That's what I say to everyone at least. It's your life, don't put your health in the hands of someone you don't have trust or faith in.
 
bigdavid said:
Yeah I deff understand. There is a trend today for physicians to not want to give benzos out, some don't give them at all, regardless of the reasoning. Thats why I said "reasonable physician", because any dr that generalizes those abusing a drug to those using it for medical purposes, and using it responsibly, is not reasonable. You can usually ask around locally or search online for a dr in your local area that will give out benzos. They sometimes require cash for office visits and may not take insurance, though. Alternatively, if your insurance plan lets you see psychiatry as a primary care category, most psychiatrists will consider giving benzos and also possibly a long term medication for sleep and/or anxiety along with it. But we live in a society where we can choose who treats us to some degree. No we cant pick who we get if we go to the ER or a teaching hospital. But we can choose our drs in the private sector, and if you don't like who you saw for any reason see someone else. That's what I say to everyone at least. It's your life, don't put your health in the hands of someone you don't have trust or faith in.
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Nearly all anxiety medications/supplements run the risk of withdrawal/side effects

I will try to see a different doctor
 
Right on. Not sure if Kratom is considered a nootropic but has similar effects. Will definitely increase mood for about 5 hours. You can even take it before a workout... Works great. If you want to relax, try Bali
 
Bintherduntht said:
For the OPs question? Maeng Da
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ELROCK said:
Most people like Green Maeng Da. It seems to be the most popular choice. That would be a good one to try. It’s not my personal favorite, but it’s a good one.
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muscleupcrohn said:
My personal favorite, in my limited experience, is Green Indo.
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What are your most noteable effects from the Green Kratom? And does Kratom carry any side effects?
Also, when is the best time to take it?
 
Slims said:
What are your most noteable effects from the Green Kratom? And does Kratom carry any side effects?
Also, when is the best time to take it?
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Its an opiate Receptor agonist.. So it stimulates a feel good/mood boost. Its very mild compared to your opiods prescribed by doctors though. Side effects will be user dependant but based on myself personally. Nothing. Pre workouts gave me far more side effects than kratom.

Take it as soon as you wake up. Start with a smaller dose 1-2 grams at the start. My sweet spot now is about 5 grams when i wake up and that lasts a good 5 hours. Take on an empty stomach. I just toss and wash it with a black coffee in the mornings and you will feel the effects within 20-30 mins.

I take green strains for the energy. Its not on comparison as a pre workout as in a buzz of energy its more like a happier state of mind.

Review your vendor before purchase to get info on how people rate the strains as they can vary. Thiers some good vendors still as easily to get info on them all.
 
Slims said:
What are your most noteable effects from the Green Kratom? And does Kratom carry any side effects?
Also, when is the best time to take it?
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The good feels and relaxation is quite nice, with slight euphoria in the beginning for me. Makes for a good workout!

I have been taking it for approximately 6 weeks. Usually at 2.5 grams per dose once a day, and then maybe half that dose a bit later. Not many days off to speak of. Taken regularly, it reduces test levels...just like Rx opioids, and my libido took a hit.

I developed a mild cold nearly two weeks ago and continued to use my Kratom, I noticed I my eyes becoming really red, dry, and irritated...people even commented on it. My throat was also often feeling overly dry, and just yesterday I woke up and my left ear was clogged. Mucus membrane dryness seems to be a common side effect. I am usually over a cold in 5 days, but the dehydrating affects have hindered that process. I have since stopped..

Take home message: Don't take this when you are battling a cold!
 
Ricky10 said:
The good feels and relaxation is quite nice, with slight euphoria in the beginning for me. Makes for a good workout!

I have been taking it for approximately 6 weeks. Usually at 2.5 grams per dose once a day, and then maybe half that dose a bit later. Not many days off to speak of. Taken regularly, it reduces test levels...just like Rx opioids, and my libido took a hit.

I developed a mild cold nearly two weeks ago and continued to use my Kratom, I noticed I my eyes becoming really red, dry, and irritated...people even commented on it. My throat was also often feeling overly dry, and just yesterday I woke up and my left ear was clogged. Mucus membrane dryness seems to be a common side effect. I am usually over a cold in 5 days, but the dehydrating affects have hindered that process. I have since stopped..

Take home message: Don't take this when you are battling a cold!
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I also have noticed the reduced libido also? I think opiod based products are common for this? Im single so not too worried lol when i does come to doing the deeds then its no hassles at all.

Yeh i get the dry mouth aswell.. Was bad at the start but now its not noticeable at all.

I suppose i should have added these to the side effects.. I consume more water now 5+ litres a day. Never a bad thing (Make sure your sodium is a little extra if consuming a load more water though)
 
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