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NTNM - Diet , my un-scientific approach to leanness

SFreed said:
You gotta take care of yourself! Hopefully it's not as serious as you're thinking.

Off track (it's what I do), but when is your next vacation to the states?
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No vacations to the states. Next vacation is Brazil -after that Patagonia. Next year maybe.... but none of you suckers had time to meet with me.
 
jtmass said:
I am sure you’ll heal like the wolverine.. Don’t deviate.. stay focused.
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Thank you, giving it all I've got. At least I have some past experiences coming in handy, will be a good opportunity to re-test my findings on PEG-MGF as a healing compound.
 
Hope you heal quickly. It really sucks that you took all of the precautions you could and an injury still happened.
 
BEAST73 said:
Hairygrandpa,What’s your pain level from 1-10?
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1- slap
2- pinch
3 -plugging out nose hair
4 -nipple twister
5 -bee sting
6 -cigarette burn
7- hitting thumb with hammer
8 -strong kick to the nuts
9- my current condition, if I do a false move
10- gout attack, fingertip amputation by car door
 
hairygrandpa said:
1- slap
2- pinch
3 -plugging out nose hair
4 -nipple twister
5 -bee sting
6 -cigarette burn
7- hitting thumb with hammer
8 -strong kick to the nuts
9- my current condition, if I do a false move
10- gout attack, fingertip amputation by car door
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Whoa!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Congratulation, you found the one compound left I never tried! Seriously, will buy today.Thank you, bro, good find!




Nah, I'm not a guy making up excuses, never was. If I quit, I'm a quitter -and I would admit it, no shame here.
To the contrary, I doubled my efforts. Besides a little vodka, I had zero carbs the whole weekend.

The tear is not that bad, until now there is only one specific movement I can't perform -but the pain is a 9 out of 10, I'm not exaggerating. 10 is when you are about to pass out, 9 is the perceived pain of a gout attack -or wiggling a metal hook in a broken tooth.
The shoulder makes noises now, like its unstable in the socket. I'll investigate the damage on Monday in the gym and may start light rehab exercises.
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Haha, let us know how it works for your pain. Also, do you foam roll? I had an infraspinatus issue and rolling it hurt like beck but helped immensely. Still didn't cure it, but the apigenin seems to have helped now.

I also used some olive leaf and for a weak it was like it was an amazing cure...then I missed a dose and pain came right back and the OLE didn't seem to work again.

hairygrandpa said:
No vacations to the states. Next vacation is Brazil -after that Patagonia. Next year maybe.... but none of you suckers had time to meet with me.
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You need to come north more!

hairygrandpa said:
1- slap
2- pinch
3 -plugging out nose hair
4 -nipple twister
5 -bee sting
6 -cigarette burn
7- hitting thumb with hammer
8 -strong kick to the nuts
9- my current condition, if I do a false move
10- gout attack, fingertip amputation by car door
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THIS is how they should describe it in the hospitals.

Hope you feel better and glad to hear you are going to continue making progress.
 
hairygrandpa said:
No vacations to the states. Next vacation is Brazil -after that Patagonia. Next year maybe.... but none of you suckers had time to meet with me.
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I would love to do Patagonia! And maybe next time you won't bring a bunch of hurricanes with you.
 
Sorry to hear about your injury, stay the course on the diet, you can do it!!!!
 
Studhorse said:
Think of the bush on that one!
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FINALLY SASQUATCH HAS BEEN SIGHTED AN PHOTOGRAPHED!!!!!

Oh how I wish it were still a mystery to me!
 
Today's gym will be "testing the waters".
My plan is to go for machines only. As soon as I note that I can use the machine without pain, I'll do my sets, then switch to a different exercise.
I'm not trying to figure out which movement hurts, as it could aggravate my condition. No free weights, un-racking and re-racking will definitely cause an incident.

Injecting into the spot is still a hustle. It's between the front delt and the side delt, full of nerves. I get cold sweats every time I try.
 
Have you tried foam rolling at all?
 
HIT4ME said:
Have you tried foam rolling at all?
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No, nothing to roll where the injury is. Its between front -and side delt, deep inside, at the border of the joint capsule. I may try graston at it, but I feel its not appropriate.
 
Yeah, I know you think that. :) You got a foam roller?

Lay on your back on the foam roller...with the roller under your rear delt or the arm that hurts. Roll from your felt down your lat as much as you can. Change your position from being on your side with your arm extended in front of you and the roller under your arm/shoulder and along the side of your lat to gradually laying on your back with the roller under your lat and your arm across your roller held out to your side. Work it all around.

I bet you a bottle of apigenin that if you work the back of the shpulder/scapula area and try to find the right spot, you will eventually hit a spot that makes the front of your shoullder feel like you have a kife in it. You will scream and want to cry. I cried a little. Keep rolling. Then get up and see how it feels.
 
HIT4ME said:
Yeah, I know you think that. :) You got a foam roller?

Lay on your back on the foam roller...with the roller under your rear delt or the arm that hurts. Roll from your felt down your lat as much as you can. Change your position from being on your side with your arm extended in front of you and the roller under your arm/shoulder and along the side of your lat to gradually laying on your back with the roller under your lat and your arm across your roller held out to your side. Work it all around.

I bet you a bottle of apigenin that if you work the back of the shpulder/scapula area and try to find the right spot, you will eventually hit a spot that makes the front of your shoullder feel like you have a kife in it. You will scream and want to cry. I cried a little. Keep rolling. Then get up and see how it feels.
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There are foam rollers in my gym, may try it out.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Today's gym will be "testing the waters".
My plan is to go for machines only. As soon as I note that I can use the machine without pain, I'll do my sets, then switch to a different exercise.
I'm not trying to figure out which movement hurts, as it could aggravate my condition. No free weights, un-racking and re-racking will definitely cause an incident.

Injecting into the spot is still a hustle. It's between the front delt and the side delt, full of nerves. I get cold sweats every time I try.
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No doubt, set those machines up at a partial ROM starting point where possible. When my shoulder is acting up all of my pressing starts from about 4 inches out from my normal Rom so that I am already in a stronger position when I engage the resistance.

HIT4ME said:
Yeah, I know you think that. :) You got a foam roller?

Lay on your back on the foam roller...with the roller under your rear delt or the arm that hurts. Roll from your felt down your lat as much as you can. Change your position from being on your side with your arm extended in front of you and the roller under your arm/shoulder and along the side of your lat to gradually laying on your back with the roller under your lat and your arm across your roller held out to your side. Work it all around.

I bet you a bottle of apigenin that if you work the back of the shpulder/scapula area and try to find the right spot, you will eventually hit a spot that makes the front of your shoullder feel like you have a kife in it. You will scream and want to cry. I cried a little. Keep rolling. Then get up and see how it feels.
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And if he doesn't find that spot he gets a bottle too? Not a bad deal.... At least we know HGP wouldn't lie to ya! With shoulders it could be the exact opposite side. That damn ball joint leaves too many places to be injured.
 
"No doubt, set those machines up at a partial ROM starting point where possible. When my shoulder is acting up all of my pressing starts from about 4 inches out from my normal Rom so that I am already in a stronger position when I engage the resistance"

Great advice! I have been doing this for atleast 2 years.
 
MrKleen73 said:
No doubt, set those machines up at a partial ROM starting point where possible. When my shoulder is acting up all of my pressing starts from about 4 inches out from my normal Rom so that I am already in a stronger position when I engage the resistance.



And if he doesn't find that spot he gets a bottle too? Not a bad deal.... At least we know HGP wouldn't lie to ya! With shoulders it could be the exact opposite side. That damn ball joint leaves too many places to be injured.
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Studhorse said:
"No doubt, set those machines up at a partial ROM starting point where possible. When my shoulder is acting up all of my pressing starts from about 4 inches out from my normal Rom so that I am already in a stronger position when I engage the resistance"

Great advice! I have been doing this for atleast 2 years.
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Will start any exercise at lowest weight -and playing with rom. Thank's for the tip.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Will start any exercise at lowest weight -and playing with rom. Thank's for the tip.
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Some of the equipment at my gym will allow you to lower the seat enough to start at a point where the starting point is easy on my shoulder. this way I can still use good resistance without having to do 25 reps!
 
MrKleen73 said:
No doubt, set those machines up at a partial ROM starting point where possible. When my shoulder is acting up all of my pressing starts from about 4 inches out from my normal Rom so that I am already in a stronger position when I engage the resistance.



And if he doesn't find that spot he gets a bottle too? Not a bad deal.... At least we know HGP wouldn't lie to ya! With shoulders it could be the exact opposite side. That damn ball joint leaves too many places to be injured.
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If he says he wants a bottle...I will buy one for him. I almost said TUDCA, but then thought about it...Apigenin is more my risk tolerance. I will take his word on it.

And you bring up a good thought on the ROM. Do you do seated military presses? With your back fixed? I have always done my militaries seated in a bench. I am convinced this may have contributed. I have started to do them standing and the ROM is more natural. I can't press as much, but that may be because I was injured and lost strength. I've noticed that when sitting with a fixed back, I have to allow the bar to go forward just a little to get past my big Italian nose and fat head. Standing places the bar in a more linear path.
 
HIT4ME said:
If he says he wants a bottle...I will buy one for him. I almost said TUDCA, but then thought about it...Apigenin is more my risk tolerance. I will take his word on it.

And you bring up a good thought on the ROM. Do you do seated military presses? With your back fixed? I have always done my militaries seated in a bench. I am convinced this may have contributed. I have started to do them standing and the ROM is more natural. I can't press as much, but that may be because I was injured and lost strength. I've noticed that when sitting with a fixed back, I have to allow the bar to go forward just a little to get past my big Italian nose and fat head. Standing places the bar in a more linear path.
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Overhead presses are almost a no-go for me since the first injury. I do landmines and machine to compensate. Besides, the new injury acts up while doing movements like arnold presses, starting under the chin -then upwards -or while lowering weights.
I tell you, each exercise I try today could activate that unbearable pain, I'm now preparing for gym, but I feel like I'm going to my own execution.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Overhead presses are almost a no-go for me since the first injury. I do landmines and machine to compensate. Besides, the new injury acts up while doing movements like arnold presses, starting under the chin -then upwards -or while lowering weights.
I tell you, each exercise I try today could activate that unbearable pain, I'm now preparing for gym, but I feel like I'm going to my own execution.
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I hear ya. I want to tell you two things:

1.Hairygrandpa - You complete me.

2. When I hear I hear this song, I think of the guys in this board and the death March to the weight room.

[video]https://youtu.be/YkWFSB3stfw[/video]
 
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Here what happened:

Assessment of doable exercises went well.
Can do all of the machines, including shoulder press.
Moderate weights only on:
-lateral raises machine
-shoulder press machine
-inclined press machine
-Only moderate -but enough to make it a challenge when using 21's or TUT 4.1.1

Did some of the physiotherapy exercises and instantly ran into trouble. Cuban rotations with only 2x5lbs DB's were a challenge.

Did a half-azzed chest and leg workout with some shoulder for blood flow -and got out. CNS overload. The constant anticipation of pain left me drained. Tomorrow is official gym day, for today, I rest.

Edit: Did not foam roll. HIT4ME 's promise that it will trigger the injury made me fearful. Will not do that sh1t -period. Can't be good, why the hell would I trigger it?
 
hairygrandpa said:
Here what happened:

Assessment of doable exercises went well.
Can do all of the machines, including shoulder press.
Moderate weights only on:
-lateral raises machine
-shoulder press machine
-inclined press machine
-Only moderate -but enough to make it a challenge when using 21's or TUT 4.1.1

Did some of the physiotherapy exercises and instantly ran into trouble. Cuban rotations with only 2x5lbs DB's were a challenge.

Did a half-azzed chest and leg workout with some shoulder for blood flow -and got out. CNS overload. The constant anticipation of pain left me drained. Tomorrow is official gym day, for today, I rest.

Edit: Did not foam roll. HIT4ME 's promise that it will trigger the injury made me fearful. Will not do that sh1t -period. Can't be good, why the hell would I trigger it?
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I was NOT implying it would trigger it. I am implying it will hurt when you find it, but the foam rolling will loosen it up and release it and after it is done you will be amazed at the improvement.

The thing that really hit me about this was that I had pain in my front shoulder but rolling the lat/infraspinatus caused pain in that EXACT spot when I rolled it. In other words, the damage/tension was on the back but because of the way the nerve activates I totally thought it was an injury to the front.

Breaking up tissue in the back was a big help.
 
HIT4ME said:
I was NOT implying it would trigger it. I am implying it will hurt when you find it, but the foam rolling will loosen it up and release it and after it is done you will be amazed at the improvement.

The thing that really hit me about this was that I had pain in my front shoulder but rolling the lat/infraspinatus caused pain in that EXACT spot when I rolled it. In other words, the damage/tension was on the back but because of the way the nerve activates I totally thought it was an injury to the front.

Breaking up tissue in the back was a big help.
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I get it, but pressing on the back side would press the capsule out to the front , pressing the teared supraspinatus. I'm not ready for it and will give it time and meds before I start any manipulation. I swear the pain is not the normal "sweat it out" pain. It made me almost curl together in a fetus position, not gonna mess with that, seriously.
 
Ah, I don't have any pain at all, only 2 specific movements trigger it (anyway, that I have found, not searching for more...).
 
hairygrandpa said:
I get it, but pressing on the back side would press the capsule out to the front , pressing the teared supraspinatus. I'm not ready for it and will give it time and meds before I start any manipulation. I swear the pain is not the normal "sweat it out" pain. It made me almost curl together in a fetus position, not gonna mess with that, seriously.
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hairygrandpa said:
Ah, I don't have any pain at all, only 2 specific movements trigger it (anyway, that I have found, not searching for more...).
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Yeah, give it time if it still is messed up that bad.

What are the movements that hurt again? Does it hurt to reach back behind you? Like arm down almost straight, or 20-30 degrees raised and reaching back?

This sounds similar to me...none of the movements for diagnosis caused pain or weakness and worming out didn't hurt. Actually, I took 4 weeks off working out and it got worse.

But reaching back or every day movements to the front - like changing my radio in my car while driving - hurt.
 
HIT4ME said:
Yeah, give it time if it still is messed up that bad.

What are the movements that hurt again? Does it hurt to reach back behind you? Like arm down almost straight, or 20-30 degrees raised and reaching back?

This sounds similar to me...none of the movements for diagnosis caused pain or weakness and worming out didn't hurt. Actually, I took 4 weeks off working out and it got worse.

But reaching back or every day movements to the front - like changing my radio in my car while driving - hurt.
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One moment....
What are the movements that hurt again? Does it hurt to reach back behind you? Like arm down almost straight, or 20-30 degrees raised and reaching back?
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I hate you!!!! I tried it and BAM! That is one movement! Happens too when pulling my pants up by the sides, almost same movement.

The other is with my hand under my chin in pull up position, palm facing away , then pushing upward in a certain angle
 
hairygrandpa said:
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I hate you!!!! I tried it and BAM! That is one movement! Happens too when pulling my pants up by the sides, almost same movement.

The other is with my hand under my chin in pull up position, palm facing away , then pushing upward in a certain angle
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Yes, now I remember you talking about pulling up your pants...but you talk about that so much when rtmilliburn is around it was just white noise at this point.

That reaching back motion is typically an infraspinatus issue.

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It took me forever to figure out and I still am not sure it was my issue entirely. I think my issues were caused by my extensive time behind the wheel driving and behind a computer and a poor posture/work setup.
 
HIT4ME said:
Yes, now I remember you talking about pulling up your pants...but you talk about that so much when rtmilliburn is around it was just white noise at this point.

That reaching back motion is typically an infraspinatus issue.

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It took me forever to figure out and I still am not sure it was my issue entirely. I think my issues were caused by my extensive time behind the wheel driving and behind a computer and a poor posture/work setup.
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Wonderful news. First supraspinatus now infraspinatus. God damn !!!!
 
Sorry...um...just trying to help??
 
HIT4ME said:
Yes, now I remember you talking about pulling up your pants...but you talk about that so much when rtmilliburn is around it was just white noise at this point.

That reaching back motion is typically an infraspinatus issue.

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It took me forever to figure out and I still am not sure it was my issue entirely. I think my issues were caused by my extensive time behind the wheel driving and behind a computer and a poor posture/work setup.
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Awesome link, by the way! Will do triggerpoint massage starting tomorrow!
 
Found some really good info here:

Part 1:
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Part 2 -what to do, exercises:
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I was going to suggest that if you are still injured to the point of extreme pain, and involuntary gaurding when pressure is applied directly to the area then it is not wise to do SMR on it just yet unless to another area that you think may be redirecting the pain like what HIT4ME mentioned with a knot being on the back causing pain in the front.
 
Awesome gym day

Had a pain free gym experience, doing all kind of exercises. Rowing with focus on developing lower traps, to correct bad posture , also some reverse grip exercises.
Could do landmine press, Hex DB press, pendlay rows, straight bar curls and body weight triceps extensions on horizontal bar.

As long as I don't bring a weight up past the shoulders, everything seems to work. Good news!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Awesome gym day

Had a pain free gym experience, doing all kind of exercises. Rowing with focus on developing lower traps, to correct bad posture , also some reverse grip exercises.
Could do landmine press, Hex DB press, pendlay rows, straight bar curls and body weight triceps extensions on horizontal bar.

As long as I don't bring a weight up past the shoulders, everything seems to work. Good news!
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Does it hurt is you make this motion....ahhh, nevermind. I just like causing pain. Haha.

Glad you had a good workout and I hope things continue to heal quickly!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Awesome gym day

Had a pain free gym experience, doing all kind of exercises. Rowing with focus on developing lower traps, to correct bad posture , also some reverse grip exercises.
Could do landmine press, Hex DB press, pendlay rows, straight bar curls and body weight triceps extensions on horizontal bar.

As long as I don't bring a weight up past the shoulders, everything seems to work. Good news!
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So it was just a temporary case of vagitits than?
 
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