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JPARKS42 said:
I think those are great ideas and would be a big hit for BLR since you have a great following and reputation. I'm no marketing or sales guru but I've noticed that getting a true and faithful following for the right reasons seems to be the biggest/hardest part. Once you obtain that status, as long as you don't try and pull a fast one and "sell out" or go cheap on things, your followers will remain faithful. With that being said, I think A LOT of people would purchase bcaas, multivitamins and fish oil like products from BLR because they trust you and the ingredients you will use and they also want to support the company and help it achieve "bigger things"

One thing I would really like to see, that wouldn't be too difficult, would be a daily ergogenic or "kitchen sink" product like Tr1umph or Ergonine. Nothing too fancy, just solid doses, decent flavoring and something to eliminate having to take 5-10 extra "staples" geared towards the lifting/athletic/active lifestyle.

I've heard quite a few different reasons why it would be "hard" to do or make a large profit on but an ArA product with proper dosing would be a hit.
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Thanks bro.

So like a creatine, arginine, beta a product?
We could do a super tasty kitchen sink product for sure.

We do have an "ergogenic" product coming but its not at all kitchen sink and people do like creatine and citrulline.
I take both.

The other thing is profit isnt my main agenda. My main priority is to make what I think are the best products I can.
But I believe also in making products I would want to use and I think Ill continue to do so.
I do use BCAAs and fish oils and vitamins etc.
And I do use creatine and citrulline etc.
So...makes sense.
 
JPARKS42 said:
Sometimes its not always about reinventing the wheel, its about producing a quality one
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Exactly. Its time to expand our brand into more mainstream products.
Im going to start first thing tomorrow.

If you guys have any more suggestions, requests or just comments please, I want to hear them.
 
I would like your guys opinions on favorite protein powder brand and flavors.

As far as best Protein Cellucor and USPlabs have good basic proteins that are easy on the wallet.

Best organic protein is Orgain from Costco. Regular sales are around $22 for an organic vegan protein.


I would also like to know what other essential products you frequently use.
For example
GDA- still looking RIP Recompadrol
Bcaa- I only really use them during a deficit.
Creatine- good ol mono.
Vitamin- OT is pretty comprehensive.
Fish oils- I honestly cut them after seeing no change after 6 months of usage
EPi- FD2.0. Just the best on the market
PWO- none atm. I prefer less stim more pump.
 
TheMovement said:
I would like your guys opinions on favorite protein powder brand and flavors.

As far as best Protein Cellucor and USPlabs have good basic proteins that are easy on the wallet.

Best organic protein is Orgain from Costco. Regular sales are around $22 for an organic vegan protein.


I would also like to know what other essential products you frequently use.
For example
GDA- still looking RIP Recompadrol
Bcaa- I only really use them during a deficit.
Creatine- good ol mono.
Vitamin- OT is pretty comprehensive.
Fish oils- I honestly cut them after seeing no change after 6 months of usage
EPi- FD2.0. Just the best on the market
PWO- none atm. I prefer less stim more pump.
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Did someone say yummy, price friendly, protein?
 
TheMovement said:
I would like your guys opinions on favorite protein powder brand and flavors.

As far as best Protein Cellucor and USPlabs have good basic proteins that are easy on the wallet.

Best organic protein is Orgain from Costco. Regular sales are around $22 for an organic vegan protein.


I would also like to know what other essential products you frequently use.
For example
GDA- still looking RIP Recompadrol
Bcaa- I only really use them during a deficit.
Creatine- good ol mono.
Vitamin- OT is pretty comprehensive.
Fish oils- I honestly cut them after seeing no change after 6 months of usage
EPi- FD2.0. Just the best on the market
PWO- none atm. I prefer less stim more pump.
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Staples and responses
Protein: ghost is the best tasting and open label. Great product but pricy. Also use raw dynamix ( cheap but solid).

GDA: predator and Assaninate ( or however OL spells It). Not run every month
All in one- Tr1umph
Greens- Gaia by chaos And pain
Multi v - controlled labs
FD2 MOST of the year
Bcaa- when in deficit. Usplabs modern bcaa or scivation extend.
 
Protein: Dymatize Casein, Trutein, PES Select, all of these are best tasting i find personally of what i have tried, but i usually use bulk protein powders e.g. from MyProtein, Bulk Powders or The Protein Works.

GDA: EBF Recompadrol (almost out) Predator, SlinMax, and Assass1nate (use assass1nate currently for a few months and others on carb up refeeds only) also use White Kidney Bean, Lipomyl and Defuse on cheat / refeeds.)
All in one: none at the moment but have gone through a few tubs of Tr1umph in the past
Greens- TPW branded, diet super greens advanced
Multi V, Orange Trias when i do use, and The Protein Works or TPW Ultra Omega 3 Fish Oils (6g per day)
FD2 Had a break since April, so 5 month break and am on day 2 of another long run of probably 3-4 months before having a month off.
Creatine, Generic what's cheapest, stick to quality mono e.g. creapure
Glutamine, Same go for generic bulk powder version
Do not use BCAA's anymore due to them slowing down cuts in the past and being able to source aminos from food and proteins
Pre Workout, only for leg days normally and have DMAA based ones e.g. such as Dust Extreme and Mesomorph
Fat Burners, ECA, Clen, Ignit3, Bloodshr3d Raw (but prefer capsules as powder makes me feel sicky, alphamine was nicest tasting powder based fat burner which was nice to consume of a regular basis) Also DCP as best non stim, rauwolscine, 3mg or 6mg fasted in am, Supernova.
GH Boosting, Prolactrone and MK677, as well as AI Letrone.
 
brundel said:
I dont think it would be a prob to get any of these going.
Maybe a really solid kitchen sink product. With creatine, beta alanine etc.
Our pre wont have any of these.

Can def get back to work on incinderine 2.0
The project got canned because of over saturation of fat burner products but incinderine 1 worked very well. I just need to upgrade.

Probiotics and such are all in the works.
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Would love for you to come out with a probiotic, multi and joint supp.
 
In all honesty brundel just how far do you want BLR to go? I feel the brand could be a major name and the products provided become constant staples for people. Is it time for Black Lion Research to takeover the market?
 
paul56778 said:
Protein: Dymatize Casein, Trutein, PES Select, all of these are best tasting i find personally of what i have tried, but i usually use bulk protein powders e.g. from MyProtein, Bulk Powders or The Protein Works.

GDA: EBF Recompadrol (almost out) Predator, SlinMax, and Assass1nate (use assass1nate currently for a few months and others on carb up refeeds only) also use White Kidney Bean, Lipomyl and Defuse on cheat / refeeds.)
All in one: none at the moment but have gone through a few tubs of Tr1umph in the past
Greens- TPW branded, diet super greens advanced
Multi V, Orange Trias when i do use, and The Protein Works or TPW Ultra Omega 3 Fish Oils (6g per day)
FD2 Had a break since April, so 5 month break and am on day 2 of another long run of probably 3-4 months before having a month off.
Creatine, Generic what's cheapest, stick to quality mono e.g. creapure
Glutamine, Same go for generic bulk powder version
Do not use BCAA's anymore due to them slowing down cuts in the past and being able to source aminos from food and proteins
Pre Workout, only for leg days normally and have DMAA based ones e.g. such as Dust Extreme and Mesomorph
Fat Burners, ECA, Clen, Ignit3, Bloodshr3d Raw (but prefer capsules as powder makes me feel sicky, alphamine was nicest tasting powder based fat burner which was nice to consume of a regular basis) Also DCP as best non stim, rauwolscine, 3mg or 6mg fasted in am, Supernova.
GH Boosting, Prolactrone and MK677, as well as AI Letrone.
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Alphamine! If brundel can design a viable replacement for alphamine, that would be a blockbuster ( at least going by tastes of AM users). Enduralean is the best replacement I have found but alphamine still has better taste.

I also regularly use bsr when cutting.
 
brundel said:
Thanks bro.

So like a creatine, arginine, beta a product?
We could do a super tasty kitchen sink product for sure.

We do have an "ergogenic" product coming but its not at all kitchen sink and people do like creatine and citrulline.
I take both.

The other thing is profit isnt my main agenda. My main priority is to make what I think are the best products I can.
But I believe also in making products I would want to use and I think Ill continue to do so.
I do use BCAAs and fish oils and vitamins etc.
And I do use creatine and citrulline etc.
So...makes sense.
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For the kitchen sink, my suggestions, Betaine, creatine and PA. If not in the pre, maybe also citrulline and agmatine.
 
primolift00 said:
Alphamine! If brundel can design a viable replacement for alphamine, that would be a blockbuster ( at least going by tastes of AM users). Enduralean is the best replacement I have found but alphamine still has better taste.

I also regularly use bsr when cutting.
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Powdered Incinderine would work well if flavouring could be on par with OG alphamine.

Also non stim based fat burners because i love DCP.

Fat Gain Inhibitor e.g. like DEFUSE.
 
TheMovement said:
In all honesty brundel just how far do you want BLR to go? I feel the brand could be a major name and the products provided become constant staples for people. Is it time for Black Lion Research to takeover the market?
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Ive been thinking about this.
We certainly have the potential to be a big brand.
We just need to cater to the mainstream. Currently we have 0 mainstream products..not even a pre yet. So....all things considered its insane how well the brand is doing. I have decided i want to see how far we can go.
Going to push hard and see if we can grow 10x in the next 2 years.
 
Ive been thinking on this.
Going to do a pre and a kitchen sink product with creatine, beta a etc.
But i realize only some like strong stims in their pre.
Im considering making both stim free but also selling a flavorless or just slightly sweetened stim powder. Cheap. So you can buy the pre and the stim powder. Stim people can add as much as they like.
Non stim people can go stim free.
And....if you just want the stim its available relatively cheap.

Thoughts?
 
Idk. What would the stim blend consist of?

I feel like if you want the brand to grow 10x over the next two years there definitely needs to be a stimmed version. That’s where the majority of the market lies when it comes to preworkout.
 
An awesome pump product would be very nice from blr, something with a big dose of vaso6 or anything comparable to original hemavol or high volume
 
Afi140 said:
Idk. What would the stim blend consist of?

I feel like if you want the brand to grow 10x over the next two years there definitely needs to be a stimmed version. That’s where the majority of the market lies when it comes to preworkout.
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As much as I would prefer a non stim version, you are absolutely right. That's what the market prefers (certainty AM forum members).


I still think a viable alphamine substitute is the holy grail. If you get that done, that would skyrocket blr.


That said, I am most excited for the non stim pre and the new anabolic.
 
We can do an alphamine type product for sure.
Im going to feel out the pre. Maybe well do a stimmed and non stim.
 
jt75 said:
An awesome pump product would be very nice from blr, something with a big dose of vaso6 or anything comparable to original hemavol or high volume
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The vasodilators we are using in the new pre are...exceptional.
The stuff is viable at super low doses. 7000$ per 1kg!
But it blows open those veins like nothing else.

Ill tell you guys more when i finalize the formula.
 
brundel said:
We can do an alphamine type product for sure.
Im going to feel out the pre. Maybe well do a stimmed and non stim.
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Just for clarification, we are talking about OG alphamine, correct? Not this energy drink version...
 
I dont know what either consists of.
I just know its a powdered stim product.
What was in the og and why did they discontinue?
 
brundel said:
I dont know what either consists of.
I just know its a powdered stim product.
What was in the og and why did they discontinue?
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I'll let others answer that but I will say please don't put choline bitartrate in an alphamine clone if you make it; that crap makes me feel like garbage.

Also, a Recompadrol clone would be money. Nothing I've used ever came close. Slintensity is a runner up but not as good.
 
GreenMachineX said:
I'll let others answer that but I will say please don't put choline bitartrate in an alphamine clone if you make it; that crap makes me feel like garbage.

Also, a Recompadrol clone would be money. Nothing I've used ever came close. Slintensity is a runner up but not as good.
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Oh no, I would NEVER clone their product. Companies who do this should be ashamed.
What I can do is look over why it was a great product and make a blr product in the same category. Looks like its sort of a fat burner, sort of a stim product.
Powdered. Shouldnt be hard to make a wicked one.

What was your guys favorite features?
The fat burning
The stimumation
The flavor
Etc
 
brundel said:
I dont know what either consists of.
I just know its a powdered stim product.
What was in the og and why did they discontinue?
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I will defer to others for specifics but the new version is just a flavored stim powder. It's worthless. OG alphamine is what people are looking for.

I think Ricky10 is the expert on this subject. I think they changed the formula bc the product was not globally compliant ( all good in the U.S. But maybe not all countries.. I am not sure which ones).
 
brundel said:
Oh no, I would NEVER clone their product. Companies who do this should be ashamed.
What I can do is look over why it was a great product and make a blr product in the same category. Looks like its sort of a fat burner, sort of a stim product.
Powdered. Shouldnt be hard to make a wicked one.

What was your guys favorite features?
The fat burning
The stimumation
The flavor
Etc
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Honestly, the thing that made it so great was that it excelled at all 3. Plus I got a general sense of well-being/euphoria from it. There was nothing comparable to the "pick me up" that stuff gave me. I felt like I was ready to do anything. I wouldnt be opposed to cloning the OG haha...if they DCd production on that profile I dont see the problem, they obviously didnt want think it was in their best interest to continue producing it. I think it was the higenamine (sp?) and yohimbe metabolite (SA-2A..? Going off memory here so im not positive if thats correct either) that were large reasons why they changed the formula since they werent globally legal ingredients.
 
GreenMachineX said:
I'll let others answer that but I will say please don't put choline bitartrate in an alphamine clone if you make it; that crap makes me feel like garbage.

Also, a Recompadrol clone would be money. Nothing I've used ever came close. Slintensity is a runner up but not as good.
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+ 1 on recompadrol clone, i am down to my last few capsules, i do have Predator which i feel is on par though and some slinmax and Assass1nate which i will be using when my recompadrol has gone, i am currently using Assass1nate as a daily non stim fat burner in place of my DCP which ran out 42 days ago.
 
jswain34 said:
Honestly, the thing that made it so great was that it excelled at all 3. Plus I got a general sense of well-being/euphoria from it. There was nothing comparable to the "pick me up" that stuff gave me. I felt like I was ready to do anything. I wouldnt be opposed to cloning the OG haha...if they DCd production on that profile I dont see the problem, they obviously didnt want think it was in their best interest to continue producing it. I think it was the higenamine (sp?) and yohimbe metabolite (SA-2A..? Going off memory here so im not positive if thats correct either) that were large reasons why they changed the formula since they werent globally legal ingredients.
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The euphoria on that was definitely amazing. But that damn choline in there would kill it about an hour later. I've used choline in some other things and solo so I've confirmed that's what caused that lethargy/brain fog.
paul56778 said:
+ 1 on recompadrol clone, i am down to my last few capsules, i do have Predator which i feel is on par though and some slinmax and Assass1nate which i will be using when my recompadrol has gone, i am currently using Assass1nate as a daily non stim fat burner in place of my DCP which ran out 42 days ago.
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DCP is amazing too, but my wife and I got absolutely nothing out of Assass1nate.
Once I start eating carbs again I'll be trying predator.
 
I cant imagine wanting to put choline in anything unless fhere was another ingredient depleting it.
I would think the yobimbine was likely not compliant in au etc.
But it is here ;)
 
BCAA formula is finalized. Ready for flavoring.

Fav flavor options please!!!

I like Mango
Blood orange
Grape Bubblegum
 
Im a huge lemonade fan. Raspberry lemonade, straight lemonade, whatever lemonade.
 
I love iced tea as well. Iced tea flavors seem to be hard to execute though.
 
Lemonades are choice if tart.

Larger fruit flavors have always been a hit with me as well: blueberry, apple, cherry, and grape.
 
So maybe some lemonade variety?
Like a Peach lemonade?
Raspberry lemonade?

I want to make sure we get the flavor right the first time so please chime in.

Looks like we are going to run
a solid dose of BCAAs. At least 8g per serving plus 1g HICA and some electrolytes.

Thoughts?
 
brundel said:
So maybe some lemonade variety?
Like a Peach lemonade?
Raspberry lemonade?

I want to make sure we get the flavor right the first time so please chime in.

Looks like we are going to run
a solid dose of BCAAs. At least 8g per serving plus 1g HICA and some electrolytes.

Thoughts?
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Blackberry lemonade for the win
 
primolift00 said:
I will defer to others for specifics but the new version is just a flavored stim powder. It's worthless. OG alphamine is what people are looking for.

I think Ricky10 is the expert on this subject. I think they changed the formula bc the product was not globally compliant ( all good in the U.S. But maybe not all countries.. I am not sure which ones).
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Haha....no expertise involved on my part..

I am just one of the many who who misses the original formula. You summarize the reasoning behind the change just as well as anyone else:)
 
brundel said:
So maybe some lemonade variety?
Like a Peach lemonade?
Raspberry lemonade?

I want to make sure we get the flavor right the first time so please chime in.

Looks like we are going to run
a solid dose of BCAAs. At least 8g per serving plus 1g HICA and some electrolytes.

Thoughts?
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Raspberry Lemonade is great! Extremely popular so many blackberry, strawberry, something lemonade though and I cant wait!

BCAAs with electrolytes sound pretty cool. Usually cheap and easy!

Can we get a mega shaker cup with the BLR logo? I want one asap if possible.
 
TheMovement said:
Raspberry Lemonade is great! Extremely popular so many blackberry, strawberry, something lemonade though and I cant wait!

BCAAs with electrolytes sound pretty cool. Usually cheap and easy!

Can we get a mega shaker cup with the BLR logo? I want one asap if possible.
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Ok so we are going to production.
Raspberry lemonade.
8g 2:1:1 vegan bcaa
1g hica
Potass and sodium for electrolytes. Magnesium just requires unrealistic doses to be viable in a bcaa.

I think we can do shakers for sure.
Im going to do just bottles as well. I carry a gallon glass bottle every day. Can do glass or bpa free plastic water bottles with blr logo.
 
brundel said:
Ok so we are going to production.
Raspberry lemonade.
8g 2:1:1 vegan bcaa
1g hica
Potass and sodium for electrolytes. Magnesium just requires unrealistic doses to be viable in a bcaa.

I think we can do shakers for sure.
Im going to do just bottles as well. I carry a gallon glass bottle every day. Can do glass or bpa free plastic water bottles with blr logo.
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Awsome lets do it!!! Im def talking about the 40ish oz shaker bottles but a variety will def appeal to the masses. I wish I could get away with the gallon though lol. Im adding the website to my favorites now so I can check daily!
 
brundel said:
Ok so we are going to production.
Raspberry lemonade.
8g 2:1:1 vegan bcaa
1g hica
Potass and sodium for electrolytes. Magnesium just requires unrealistic doses to be viable in a bcaa.

I think we can do shakers for sure.
Im going to do just bottles as well. I carry a gallon glass bottle every day. Can do glass or bpa free plastic water bottles with blr logo.
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Very cool. It should be easy to flavor that well. I just released a Black-cherry Lemonade flavored product, so yours should taste great as well. I was told the lemonades are one of the easier flavor varieties to get right.
 
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