Hi-Tech Pharma: Pro IGF-1 Blood Tests @ 20mcg/day

Ricky10 said:
Well if Danes bloodwork does come back with some favorable results, we will then be in a situation of wondering if it only worked for him because he mega-dosed it. If the bloods come back with no change, I think it will be safe to say that the ship has sailed on this product..
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I personaly feel no difference between 40mcg,60mcg,80 or 100mcg
 
Ricky10 said:
Well if Danes bloodwork does come back with some favorable results, we will then be in a situation of wondering if it only worked for him because he mega-dosed it. If the bloods come back with no change, I think it will be safe to say that the ship has sailed on this product..
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I say if Danes only has a marginal increase then it isnt worth the price..lets hope his levels skyrocket..then maybe we can get something out of the product at lower doses. ..but frankly, his 100mcg a day dose is a pretty average dose for IGF use. We shouldnt have to spend $500 a cycle for results.
 
Danes said:
With real pharma inj.IGF-1 going from 20mcg to 100mcg is like comparing heaven with earth
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Don't know why you keep saying that.
 
EricMarchewitz said:
It looks like a good product, so let's see what happens with some of the other bloodwork.
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you mean... his blood work? the person you're quoting... who felt no difference in spite of increasing the dose 2.5x the original value?

I mean obviously Danes was going to wait for his own bloods... unless you know about some other mystery bloods that haven't been mentioned?
 
scump said:
you mean... his blood work? the person you're quoting... who felt no difference in spite of increasing the dose 2.5x the original value?

I mean obviously Danes was going to wait for his own bloods... unless you know about some other mystery bloods that haven't been mentioned?
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Yeah I found that response to be pretty unbelievable. Danes is taking 5 * the recommended dosage and getting bloods. I think that qualifies as giving this product a fair shot. I was really hoping to see better results in the logs, but so far, nothing that exciting.

Danes- thanks for running this experiment.
 
EricMarchewitz said:
It looks like a good product, so let's see what happens with some of the other bloodwork.
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Since you quoted my post,
I didnt understand this 100%.
"Let see what happens with sone of the other bloodwork".

Personaly, I really dont care about other bloodwork. Thats why I run my own.
 
Danes said:
Admin.I am answering a simple question. He asked , I answered. I really see no problem with it.

If you think I am bashing the product, then you are wrong. I dont want to comment the product until my Blood work results. I am just answering questions.
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Did I say you were? I simply asked why you keep saying the feeling of IGF-1 is so different at different doses. I'm sorry, but I think you're 100% flat out wrong.
 
Admin said:
Did I say you were? I simply asked why you keep saying the feeling of IGF-1 is so different at different doses. I'm sorry, but I think you're 100% flat out wrong.
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You may be 100% right because I have never tried IGF-1 at any dose. But people I have been talking to say dose make big difference. I do believe 20mcg and 100mcg should be different :)
 
Danes said:
You may be 100% right because I have never tried IGF-1 at any dose. But people I have been talking to say dose make big difference. I do believe 20mcg and 100mcg should be different :)
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Other than pumps, I've never had anyone tell me they "feel" anything. You're not supposed to. You don't "feel" GH either. These aren't androgens.
 
I'm still curious why people think that such small doses of IGF-1, injectible or not, real or not, are actually doing what people are purporting them to do.

Bodybuilders take doses a FRACTION of the clinical dose of IGF-1.

All I see is woo and broscience.
 
Admin said:
Other than pumps, I've never had anyone tell me they "feel" anything. You're not supposed to. You don't "feel" GH either. These aren't androgens.
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Lethargy would be something you could feel maybe? I'm not very familiar with it either, though.
 
rascal14 said:
Lethargy would be something you could feel maybe? I'm not very familiar with it either, though.
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Maybe with GH. Locally injected igf-1 not so much. Its local and then it’s metabolized. Personal experience was similar to stated above. Wicked pumps. Besides that possible development long term. But that’s hard to quantify and could be placebo so who knows.
 
Admin said:
Other than pumps, I've never had anyone tell me they "feel" anything. You're not supposed to. You don't "feel" GH either. These aren't androgens.
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I am sorry but I dont express my self properly.
We can take an example. One of common sides with IGF-1 is going hypo (ofcourse it can be avoided thanks to carbs and properly timing).
When I say feel, I also mean gains.
Increased pump is one of fast acting effects from IGF-1 but its not the only effect this potent growth factor can bring. We shall not forget its one of most anabolic compounds we can use and its not used for just amazing pumps. From insulin like effects to powerfull hypertrophy effects

It is major mechanism for controlling tissue growth/and major regulator of muscle mass.
Muscle growth and muscle regeneration need the participation of satellite cells, and other cell .The effect on satellite cells is very important for muscle hypertrophy..
 
Danes said:
I am sorry but I dont express my self properly.
We can take an example. One of common sides with IGF-1 is going hypo (ofcourse it can be avoided thanks to carbs and properly timing).
When I say feel, I also mean gains.
Increased pump is one of fast acting effects from IGF-1 but its not the only effect this potent growth factor can bring. We shall not forget its one of most anabolic compounds we can use and its not used for just amazing pumps. From insulin like effects to powerfull hypertrophy effects

It is major mechanism for controlling tissue growth/and major regulator of muscle mass.
Muscle growth and muscle regeneration need the participation of satellite cells, and other cell .The effect on satellite cells is very important for muscle hypertrophy..
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Danes, I am quite familiar with why you think it might...I"m just telling you from people that I know, multiple people, that it just isn't the case. You will have mild side effects at most.
 
There is also the theory that igf-1 can only produce hyperplasia (or any noticeable hyperplasia) with high amounts of androgens present. Or at least being on a cycle would certainly augment that affect and would be the best way to maximize benefit. But this is all conjecture obviously, as is pretty much all peptide use for the most part. Have they actually taken biopsies of human muscle tissue and proven hyperplasia takes place here? There is only so much carryover from lower vertebrates to humans.
 
De__eB said:
I'm still curious why people think that such small doses of IGF-1, injectible or not, real or not, are actually doing what people are purporting them to do.

Bodybuilders take doses a FRACTION of the clinical dose of IGF-1.

All I see is woo and broscience.
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Oh you see that everywhere. :lol:
 
De__eB said:
I'm still curious why people think that such small doses of IGF-1, injectible or not, real or not, are actually doing what people are purporting them to do.

Bodybuilders take doses a FRACTION of the clinical dose of IGF-1.

All I see is woo and broscience.
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I also agree on this about doses
 
De__eB said:
Usually there's at least something to back it up.

Like, for most drugs, bodybuilders are taking super-clinical doses, not tiny subclinical doses.

Why the weirdness with IGF-1?
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Don't taze me bro.
 
Admin said:
Danes, I am quite familiar with why you think it might...I"m just telling you from people that I know, multiple people, that it just isn't the case. You will have mild side effects at most.
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Totaly understand. My statements are based on science and that may ofcourse differ from "real world results". :) people you know who tried IGF-1 know better than reading a document.

But one thing we can agree on:
Remove IGF/GH/Insulin from a pro Bodybuilder cycle and you will see huge difference :D
 
Danes said:
Totaly understand. My statements are based on science and that may ofcourse differ from "real world results". :) people you know who tried IGF-1 know better than reading a document.

But one thing we can agree on:
Remove IGF/GH/Insulin from a pro Bodybuilder cycle and you will see huge difference :D
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Yah their stomach will shrink by 40 inches. ;)
 
Danes said:
Since you quoted my post,
I didnt understand this 100%.
"Let see what happens with sone of the other bloodwork".

Personaly, I really dont care about other bloodwork. Thats why I run my own.
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your bloodwork will carry a lot of weight, imo. a lot of people on this board trust you as being far more impartial than most and know you will be honest about results!!!
 
Will it really matter now with the new bomb on hightechpharmaceutical on the other thread ! I guest this product will take a it as well?
 
Eagerly waiting for those blood tests
 
alvin1 said:
Will it really matter now with the new bomb on hightechpharmaceutical on the other thread ! I guest this product will take a it as well?
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doesn't contain DMAA, isn't a PH... why do you think this would be in the firing line?

at this point it doesn't really seem like it will matter though lol.
 
scump said:
doesn't contain DMAA, isn't a PH... why do you think this would be in the firing line?

at this point it doesn't really seem like it will matter though lol.
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If prohormone are gone as mention in the other thread, will igf stand a chance?
 
alvin1 said:
If hightechpharmaceutical is dead will it really matter?
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Hitech is HUGE. Even under the current circumstances, losses, suits etc...they are not going to be dead.
Not even talking about the products. The company isnt gonna be dead by a long shot.
Like 10 years ago they lost 4000000$ thats 40 million in a suit from the FTC. They didnt even bat an eye.
40 mill.
Hitech is a MASSIVE company.
 
brundel said:
Hitech is HUGE. Even under the current circumstances, losses, suits etc...they are not going to be dead.
Not even talking about the products. The company isnt gonna be dead by a long shot.
Like 10 years ago they lost 4000000$ thats 40 million in a suit from the FTC. They didnt even bat an eye.
40 mill.
Hitech is a MASSIVE company.
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Thats part of what makes this whole "BUY UP NOW!!" so lulzy, its only retailers and forum broz who are spouting this (premature) dogma
 
brundel said:
Hitech is HUGE. Even under the current circumstances, losses, suits etc...they are not going to be dead.
Not even talking about the products. The company isnt gonna be dead by a long shot.
Like 10 years ago they lost 4000000$ thats 40 million in a suit from the FTC. They didnt even bat an eye.
40 mill.
Hitech is a MASSIVE company.
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Sound like music to my ears to learn that!
 
brundel said:
Yah their stomach will shrink by 40 inches. ;)
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From first hand experience.. thats a myth.. my stomach is tight as hell right now after a butt ton of insulin, gh, igf, etc. gut distension comes and goes from food allergies, swelling, intestinal swelling from leaky gut from the food, and the associated side effects from excess food like reflux, acid erosion, liver swelling from tren and orals pressing on the stomach causing distension, etc.

Its better in the offseason and gets severely and drastically worse closer to stepping on stage. There is nothing you can do about.. the intestinal lining swelling, especially from stress, the stress on the body from drugs, diuretics, excess cardio, training, etc. The body diverts blood to the vital organs, heart and brain, placing even more stress on the guy, leading to swelling of the stomach and intestines..


BOOM, swollen pregnant belly... I hate this freakin myth. The bigger you are, the bigger your intestines, the bigger your gut will be. Thats why the pros get called out for this. lightweights 150lbs backstage look 9 months pregnant letting it out.
 
criticalbench said:
From first hand experience.. thats a myth.. my stomach is tight as hell right now after a butt ton of insulin, gh, igf, etc. gut distension comes and goes from food allergies, swelling, intestinal swelling from leaky gut from the food, and the associated side effects from excess food like reflux, acid erosion, liver swelling from tren and orals pressing on the stomach causing distension, etc.

Its better in the offseason and gets severely and drastically worse closer to stepping on stage. There is nothing you can do about.. the intestinal lining swelling, especially from stress, the stress on the body from drugs, diuretics, excess cardio, training, etc. The body diverts blood to the vital organs, heart and brain, placing even more stress on the guy, leading to swelling of the stomach and intestines..


BOOM, swollen pregnant belly... I hate this freakin myth. The bigger you are, the bigger your intestines, the bigger your gut will be. Thats why the pros get called out for this. lightweights 150lbs backstage look 9 months pregnant letting it out.
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What about excess force feeding and mass volumes of food causing it, after i used to have my carb up refeeds of 8-9k calories 4-5 weeks ago i would have the bloating in the night after the mass of food, so do you feel it is down to insulin resistance + massive amounts of food.
 
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