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brundel said:
Anything is possible really. The thing is I think most people dont want stringers. Most guys dont have the back to wear them.
Well ask everyone what they think but Im pretty certain tanks over stringers. Over time we can offer both but for now we are only going to run 1-2 designs.


For anyone else in this thread.

Normal tank vs stringer. Which would you prefer?
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Def the stringer but im not afraid to show off this back. Id even be down to prepay. I know it would be a small run but man people would love them and seem exclusive to those who support the brand.
 
Ricky10 said:
My opinion is definitely the big logo #1, or small logo on one pec #2 for the front. The midsize logo on the front reminds me too much like a super-hero t-shirt look. As far as the back, #2 without question. The lettering just doesn't do it for me..

I think it would help to have the model be a little more muscular, masculine, and mature looking too..

Anyway, just being constructively critical. They are all quite sharp!

(I am hoping he was not a family member or close friend)
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Nobody I know. Was just the shot from the internet. He could def gain a few lbs.
Those are the actual shirts though so its the best rendition of what they look like. Obv most of us dont look like him.
 
Going to print on these shirts this week.
Gonna run 100 large and 100 XL.

No text logo on front vertical text on the back.
Ill put them up on our site when they are ready and Ill post here.

I think we will also maybe give them away with stack purchases.
 
Going to do wrist wraps and lifting straps also with the lion logo. The prototypes look badass.
 
brundel said:
Going to print on these shirts this week.
Gonna run 100 large and 100 XL.

No text logo on front vertical text on the back.
Ill put them up on our site when they are ready and Ill post here.

I think we will also maybe give them away with stack purchases.
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Glad it's the shirts :) too fat for a tank right now. Any update on formeron?
 
We've got the whole BLR line available for 20% off at Nutriverse if anyones interested

This isn't an everyday sale so take advantage cause as soon as it ends my PM inbox floods with BLR sale requests ;)
 
Volvo140G said:
We've got the whole BLR line available for 20% off at Nutriverse if anyones interested

This isn't an everyday sale so take advantage cause as soon as it ends my PM inbox floods with BLR sale requests ;)
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Two bottle exotherm purchase FTW!
 
Volvo140G said:
We've got the whole BLR line available for 20% off at Nutriverse if anyones interested

This isn't an everyday sale so take advantage cause as soon as it ends my PM inbox floods with BLR sale requests ;)
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I am waiting for orders to turn up and i will make more for BLR, i have until the 1st October Until sale ends,
 
Yah it's a good time to make a stack purchase when it's on sale like that.
 
I thought we waiting for natural anabolic, bcaa product, and pre workout.. Brundel dude please update us on all. I seen replies bits in wrong threads getting confused a new summary be good if u want my cash
 
00A said:
I thought we waiting for natural anabolic, bcaa product, and pre workout.. Brundel dude please update us on all. I seen replies bits in wrong threads getting confused a new summary be good if u want my cash
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Would be great to get an update on the pre workout. Possibility in 2017
 
brundel said:
Going to print on these shirts this week.
Gonna run 100 large and 100 XL.

No text logo on front vertical text on the back.
Ill put them up on our site when they are ready and Ill post here.

I think we will also maybe give them away with stack purchases.
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Shirt Time???
 
00A said:
I thought we waiting for natural anabolic, bcaa product, and pre workout.. Brundel dude please update us on all. I seen replies bits in wrong threads getting confused a new summary be good if u want my cash
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I think we will have BCAAs first. Its not in order of importance just how things are shaking out.
BCAAs take basically 0 R&D. And in the next post Im going to ask you guys some questions pertaining to the BCAA project.
The pre Im aiming for late 2017. One of the primary actives has been causing some issues and I had to discontinue it. Nobody wants to crap their pants at the gym. Still we are close.
And anabolic looks like it could be ready within 60 days IF all goes well. And it might turn into 2 products well see how testing goes. Some new research has recently become available that indicates some new pathways Im looking into targeting. More on this later.

We will have, very soon=
BCAA, Protein and some other essentials. BCAA should be within 6 weeks. IM drinking some now.
 
TheMovement said:
Shirt Time???
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I have shirts.
Large and XL.

I can take order for them via email or PM.
Or I can try to get em up on the site this weekend.
If you guys want em sooner PM me and well get em out.
Will sell em to you guys for our cost. I think they were 15$ with the double print.
 
Finally a question about the BCAAs.

Would you rather have vegan BCAAs, meaning not from human hair, cat fur and duck feathers..but....it smells funky and the taste, while not bad isnt as good as the non vegan. I have a strawberry kiwi Im drinking right now and its pretty tasty but its got a bit of a funky smell. So the question.....
Vegan BCAA and decent taste
or
non vegan BCAA and fantastic taste?
I prefer the vegan all day. It tastes good enough and its not friggin hair off the floor of a barbershop.

Im adding some...other things to it as well.
 
While I dont like the idea of drinking cat fur, duck feathers, and human hair, I think, at least from your end, itd be smarter to go with the better tasting product. A lot of people won't drink a bcaa product that they dont think tastes good. Flavoring seems to be much more important to a bcaa product than say something like a preworkout where consumers may be more willing to overlook some flavoring flaws in exchange for performance benefits, etc.
 
brundel said:
I have shirts.
Large and XL.

I can take order for them via email or PM.
Or I can try to get em up on the site this weekend.
If you guys want em sooner PM me and well get em out.
Will sell em to you guys for our cost. I think they were 15$ with the double print.
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XL please. It be better to pay over the website in my mind if you can get it up by this weekend. I’m saying XL to be safe because of these stupid Lats.
 
brundel said:
Finally a question about the BCAAs.

Would you rather have vegan BCAAs, meaning not from human hair, cat fur and duck feathers..but....it smells funky and the taste, while not bad isnt as good as the non vegan. I have a strawberry kiwi Im drinking right now and its pretty tasty but its got a bit of a funky smell. So the question.....
Vegan BCAA and decent taste
or
non vegan BCAA and fantastic taste?
I prefer the vegan all day. It tastes good enough and its not friggin hair off the floor of a barbershop.

Im adding some...other things to it as well.
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Rather have Vegan, fermented one..
Look after mybody over taste any day
 
brundel said:
I think we will have BCAAs first. Its not in order of importance just how things are shaking out.
BCAAs take basically 0 R&D. And in the next post Im going to ask you guys some questions pertaining to the BCAA project.
The pre Im aiming for late 2017. One of the primary actives has been causing some issues and I had to discontinue it. Nobody wants to crap their pants at the gym. Still we are close.
And anabolic looks like it could be ready within 60 days IF all goes well. And it might turn into 2 products well see how testing goes. Some new research has recently become available that indicates some new pathways Im looking into targeting. More on this later.

We will have, very soon=
BCAA, Protein and some other essentials. BCAA should be within 6 weeks. IM drinking some now.
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Protein is on the list? Please tell more.
 
jswain34 said:
While I dont like the idea of drinking cat fur, duck feathers, and human hair, I think, at least from your end, itd be smarter to go with the better tasting product. A lot of people won't drink a bcaa product that they dont think tastes good. Flavoring seems to be much more important to a bcaa product than say something like a preworkout where consumers may be more willing to overlook some flavoring flaws in exchange for performance benefits, etc.
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I second this. People don't buy bcaas a second time if the flavor isn't great. Too many options on the market that taste great
 
halfhuman said:
I agree. Taste is probably the second most important part on buying over and over.
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Will be for protein powder.

I am interested on what brundel will bring to offer different as a protein powder,

also cannot wait for newer products e.g. pre workout and anabolic, interested if anabolic product will be even more effective than FD2.

I am starting back up on FD2 from next monday.
 
paul56778 said:
Will be for protein powder.

I am interested on what brundel will bring to offer different as a protein powder,

also cannot wait for newer products e.g. pre workout and anabolic, interested if anabolic product will be even more effective than FD2.

I am starting back up on FD2 from next monday.
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What about OL Epilogue, thought this be something you be intrested in..
 
00A said:
What about OL Epilogue, thought this be something you be intrested in..
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I am waiting on k1ngslayer, and feedback / logs on epilogue, i never tried origin so will probably try those if they are more improved versions.
 
paul56778 said:
Will be for protein powder.

I am interested on what brundel will bring to offer different as a protein powder,

also cannot wait for newer products e.g. pre workout and anabolic, interested if anabolic product will be even more effective than FD2.

I am starting back up on FD2 from next monday.
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For the protein powder would you like to see a blend or something else? Right now my favorite protein. On the market is ghost but I do buy other powders ( raw dynamix is always a good value and tastes good). If brundel can find something to rival ghosts flavoring, he will have another blr blockbuster.
 
primolift00 said:
For the protein powder would you like to see a blend or something else? Right now my favorite protein. On the market is ghost but I do buy other powders ( raw dynamix is always a good value and tastes good). If brundel can find something to rival ghosts flavoring, he will have another blr blockbuster.
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Yes a blend of whey and casein as i feel they work better together.

If flavouring is on par with PES and BodyNutrition Trutein then it will be great.
 
I think with regards to protein powder Ill use plant based proteins.
Whey and casein are good protein sources but not everyone can tolerate them well.

I have been using all plant based protein powders and they are fantastic.
Great tasting and 0 stomach issues like gas and bloating and cramping and crapping.
 
brundel said:
I think with regards to protein powder Ill use plant based proteins.
Whey and casein are good protein sources but not everyone can tolerate them well.

I have been using all plant based protein powders and they are fantastic.
Great tasting and 0 stomach issues like gas and bloating and cramping and crapping.
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If you come up with one that tastes great I'll be in on it. I have tried a few and they were all really bad. I always end up going back to select or ghost or similar product.
 
Yah the goal is for it to taste good of course.
Over the years ive changed my views on this stuff. Initially it was all about how it tasted. Then it went to highest quality and purity. Frequently i would just choke down on unflavored stuff for the sake of knowing there was nothing but hi gh grade protein or bcaa. Now im into only plant based protein powder and bcaas. The prices have started to creep closer to regular whey and hair based bcaas and we are getting better at flavoring them.

I would like your guys opinions on favorite protein powder brand and flavors.

I would also like to know what other essential products you frequently use.
For example
Protein
Bcaa
Creatine
Etc etc
Staples.
 
When funds are limited, I only use a pre and creatine. If funds are available, I'll add protein and folli. That's about it.
 
brundel said:
Decent staples.
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Would like topical fat burner,

Non Stim And Stim Fat Burners

GDA other than FD2

Fat Gain Inhibitor Supplement

Digestion and Gut Health Product

Skin Care / Health Product to deal with acne e.g. like older version you had.

Skin Colour / Health Tanning Supplement
 
When I have the money I use FD2, pre, protein, probiotic, thermo, fish oil. When funds are limited, creatine or preworkout with creatine, probiotic and thermo.

FD2 may be my favorite of all time.
 
I dont think it would be a prob to get any of these going.
Maybe a really solid kitchen sink product. With creatine, beta alanine etc.
Our pre wont have any of these.

Can def get back to work on incinderine 2.0
The project got canned because of over saturation of fat burner products but incinderine 1 worked very well. I just need to upgrade.

Probiotics and such are all in the works.
 
brundel said:
No pre or creatine or anything like this?
How about vitamins and fish oils and probiotics?
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Yes, looking forward to your pre- I thought that was a for sure to come soon...BLR product. I would buy your multi / probiotic and fish oil too.....and anything else you come out with. FD2 is a staple....I am looking for other staples from BLR. And then some marketing program that would make it easier for us to use all these products.
 
bigsmall said:
Yes, looking forward to your pre- I thought that was a for sure to come soon...BLR product. I would buy your multi / probiotic and fish oil too.....and anything else you come out with. FD2 is a staple....I am looking for other staples from BLR. And then some marketing program that would make it easier for us to use all these products.
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This is encouraging. Makes me want to make more daily essential stuff. High quality, geared toward athletes.
 
brundel said:
Yah the goal is for it to taste good of course.
Over the years ive changed my views on this stuff. Initially it was all about how it tasted. Then it went to highest quality and purity. Frequently i would just choke down on unflavored stuff for the sake of knowing there was nothing but hi gh grade protein or bcaa. Now im into only plant based protein powder and bcaas. The prices have started to creep closer to regular whey and hair based bcaas and we are getting better at flavoring them.

I would like your guys opinions on favorite protein powder brand and flavors.

I would also like to know what other essential products you frequently use.
For example
Protein
Bcaa
Creatine
Etc etc
Staples.
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Protein: PES select, Animal Whey. Generally speaking, I stick to chocolate or peanut butter flavors, occasionally cookies and cream just to change it up.

Intraworkout: Xtend original, endure or perform. OL Endur3 (original, just got the new one delivered yesterday), Primevil EAA Max, USP Modern BCAA. Keep these on rotation

Creatine: anything on sale from a reputable company. Haven't really noticed a difference between the different kinds as far as bloat, performance or stomach issues.

Clear edge is my go to noot
Gut health is my go to probiotic (need to restock)

Multi: Orange triad or pes trumulti. Will be trying Anavite in the next few weeks.

Fish oil: just finished up Nutrabio, next is cellucor (bogo @ steak sauce)

Daily ergo: OL triumph is #1 by far. PES ergonine in 2nd. Would like to try Finish Line soon though.

Epi products: FD2 is king. Ep1c unleashed #2. Just got Ep1logue but won't be trying until this ABE/Xgels run is complete.

Pres: OL Re1gn, Hypermax xt, DVST8, total war, Mesomorph, most days I throw in some citrulline or purus labs condense. I rotate all of these daily to keep it fresh.

Nonstim: high volume, quake.

Fatburners: ignit3, brite, alphaburn, OL 7-keto, ol assassinate, schizophrenic psycho when i need a huge pick me up.
 
JPARKS42 said:
Protein: PES select, Animal Whey. Generally speaking, I stick to chocolate or peanut butter flavors, occasionally cookies and cream just to change it up.

Intraworkout: Xtend original, endure or perform. OL Endur3 (original, just got the new one delivered yesterday), Primevil EAA Max, USP Modern BCAA. Keep these on rotation

Creatine: anything on sale from a reputable company. Haven't really noticed a difference between the different kinds as far as bloat, performance or stomach issues.

Clear edge is my go to noot
Gut health is my go to probiotic (need to restock)

Multi: Orange triad or pes trumulti. Will be trying Anavite in the next few weeks.

Fish oil: just finished up Nutrabio, next is cellucor (bogo @ steak sauce)

Daily ergo: OL triumph is #1 by far. PES ergonine in 2nd. Would like to try Finish Line soon though.

Epi products: FD2 is king. Ep1c unleashed #2. Just got Ep1logue but won't be trying until this ABE/Xgels run is complete.

Pres: OL Re1gn, Hypermax xt, DVST8, total war, Mesomorph, most days I throw in some citrulline or purus labs condense. I rotate all of these daily to keep it fresh.

Nonstim: high volume, quake.

Fatburners: ignit3, brite, alphaburn, OL 7-keto, ol assassinate, schizophrenic psycho when i need a huge pick me up.
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Love this!^^^^
Thanks for being thorough. It will help me determine where to focus.
Im gonna work hard to expand so we have some more great products.

I forget sometimes that not everything has to be something totally new.
I can carry staples like bcaa and fish oils and vitamins but with blr flair.

Bcaas will be ready very soon.
Vitamin as well.
Maybe fish oils. These staples are easy to get going.
 
brundel said:
Love this!^^^^
Thanks for being thorough. It will help me determine where to focus.
Im gonna work hard to expand so we have some more great products.

I forget sometimes that not everything has to be something totally new.
I can carry staples like bcaa and fish oils and vitamins but with blr flair.

Bcaas will be ready very soon.
Vitamin as well.
Maybe fish oils. These staples are easy to get going.
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I think those are great ideas and would be a big hit for BLR since you have a great following and reputation. I'm no marketing or sales guru but I've noticed that getting a true and faithful following for the right reasons seems to be the biggest/hardest part. Once you obtain that status, as long as you don't try and pull a fast one and "sell out" or go cheap on things, your followers will remain faithful. With that being said, I think A LOT of people would purchase bcaas, multivitamins and fish oil like products from BLR because they trust you and the ingredients you will use and they also want to support the company and help it achieve "bigger things"

One thing I would really like to see, that wouldn't be too difficult, would be a daily ergogenic or "kitchen sink" product like Tr1umph or Ergonine. Nothing too fancy, just solid doses, decent flavoring and something to eliminate having to take 5-10 extra "staples" geared towards the lifting/athletic/active lifestyle.

I've heard quite a few different reasons why it would be "hard" to do or make a large profit on but an ArA product with proper dosing would be a hit.
 
brundel said:
Love this!^^^^
Thanks for being thorough. It will help me determine where to focus.
Im gonna work hard to expand so we have some more great products.

I forget sometimes that not everything has to be something totally new.
I can carry staples like bcaa and fish oils and vitamins but with blr flair.

Bcaas will be ready very soon.
Vitamin as well.
Maybe fish oils. These staples are easy to get going.
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Sometimes its not always about reinventing the wheel, its about producing a quality one
 
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