Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals prohibited from selling DMAA supplements

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Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals prohibited from selling DMAA supplements

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The important words from the court file are,

“Hi-Tech is prohibited from, directly or indirectly through third parties, manufacturing, distributing or selling adulterated foods or misbranded drugs, including but not limited to products containing DMAA or its chemical equivalent. This includes but is not limited to: purchasing or receiving DMAA ingredients, and manufacturing, processing, packaging, marketing, or distributing food or dietary supplement products containing DMAA or its chemical equivalent.”

The reason this has all come about is that Jared Wheat of Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals has been indicted for fraud, money laundering, and controlled substances charges. The stop on the production of DMAA supplements is then a condition of Wheat’s release from custody.

There are a lot of other things that have gone on in and around this, but the order for Hi-Tech to stop production of DMAA appears to be the biggest news. The main reason we feel that, is because it affects a large amount of people that both use, sell, and compete against those supplements.
 
Whoa...
 
Same as I posted on the other forum...


I really don't have much solid information I can give right now except that HTP will be fighting this (as I'm sure you'd all expect), and there is a LOT more to this situation than what STACK3D is currently showing on their website. I'd expect some major fireworks to play out over the upcoming weeks/months.
 
Apparently DEA&IRS came in for a product containing Lovastatin from 4-6 years ago(even though is naturally occuring in Red Yeast Rice), seized all DMAA products(soemthing like 10 - 18 wheelers worth) and arrested him and then released him if he agreed to stop selling/manufacturing DMAA.
 
Adizzle1 said:
Apparently DEA&IRS came in for a product containing Lovastatin from 4-6 years ago(even though is naturally occuring in Red Yeast Rice), seized all DMAA products(soemthing like 10 - 18 wheelers worth) and arrested him and then released him if he agreed to stop selling/manufacturing DMAA.
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so we can't get in him court, so we'll try this. love the government
 
Christ, didn't high tech win a lawsuit recently in regards to this? Maybe 6 months back? My memory may be bad here
 
Tiocfaidh said:
so we can't get in him court, so we'll try this. love the government
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Did you read the article?

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Whether or not you agree with the judgement is another thing though.
 
VaughnTrue said:
strong 2014 source...and also obviously insanely biased article lol
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Very. But it makes sense as to why they keep coming after him.

It's like a dog with a bone.
Edit: Also bad wording on my part. I meant the stacked article. It states a court file. Removed OG link for irrelevancy
 
Jiigzz said:
Very. But it makes sense as to why they keep coming after him.

It's like a dog with a bone.
Edit: Also bad wording on my part. I meant the stacked article. It states a court file. Removed OG link for irrelevancy
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i read between the lines. you challenge government these days, and this is what you get. manipulation.
 
Adizzle1 said:
Apparently DEA&IRS came in for a product containing Lovastatin from 4-6 years ago(even though is naturally occuring in Red Yeast Rice), seized all DMAA products(soemthing like 10 - 18 wheelers worth) and arrested him and then released him if he agreed to stop selling/manufacturing DMAA.
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Normally cultured Red Yeast Rice has only trace amounts of Monacolin K in it - this can be sold in the US. If you try to increase the amount it contains (through different culturing methods than culinary rice undergoes), the FDA in 1998 ruled it would then be an unapproved drug (Lovastatin). Statins have some nasty sides. That's why testing yo stuff is important - keeps the law away.
 
Tiocfaidh said:
i read between the lines. you challenge government these days, and this is what you get. manipulation.
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I definitely understand what you mean. The good part is that you know HTP will fight back.
 
VaughnTrue said:
Same as I posted on the other forum...


I really don't have much solid information I can give right now except that HTP will be fighting this (as I'm sure you'd all expect), and there is a LOT more to this situation than what STACK3D is currently showing on their website. I'd expect some major fireworks to play out over the upcoming weeks/months.
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So whats that mean for current sales?
 


Priceplow did a good video about it.
 
Jiigzz said:
I definitely understand what you mean. The good part is that you know HTP will fight back.
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Apparently he told the court he was broke. I wouldn't be surprised between legal fees for all this court stuff and all the companies he's bought if this thing is on its way down anyway. I know one thing's for sure they are responsible for about 90% of the dmaa on the market. Better buy up boys.
 
I came on here to post about this but see I was beat. This **** is crazy. HTP will fight this, but my gut is telling me DMAA will soon be gone.
 
Of course this is nothing but foolishness and an abuse of power...we all know that..

Personally though, I have gotten nothing out of any products I have tried in the past few years that listed DMAA as an ingredient...so no loss for me. I feel bad for people that do enjoy such products though..

Better stock up is right!
 
Billd1982 said:
Thank god for Re1gn!!!!
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Ricky10 said:
Of course this is nothing but foolishness and an abuse of power...we all know that..

Personally though, I have gotten nothing out of any products I have tried in the past few years that listed DMAA as an ingredient...so no loss for me. I feel bad for people that do enjoy such products though..

Better stock up is right!
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I hear ya’ll on this!
 
I have said it before and I will say it again. This isn’t the end!
 
So they either brought up false charges or spent a crapload of resources to find something against him? Just to get DMAA to go away.
 
Wow! In for more information
 
The interesting thing here is that the FDA didn't go into Hi-Tech for DMAA, they went in for a discontinued RED YEAST RICE extract product called Choladrene. Yes serious. The FDA asserts that the product Choladrene had Lovastatin in it, a scary and dangerous drug, right?

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WRONG. It's naturally occurring.


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So FDA was able to get in the doors dUE to this. What else did they claim in the paperwork that has been shown? Well namely, that the FDA doesn't have a chemist on board.


Here is what the FDA is claiming HTP is selling in their prohormones:


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Wow, this seems intense doesn't it? It would be if it was factual, but the problem is that their chemical nomenclature is horrific.


Lets look at each one:


Superdrol -

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They contend androstenedione, 4-androstenediol and/or 4-androstenediol, and boldione


In reality it contains


4-DHEA, 1-DHEA, Androsterone, DHEA acetate, 6-oxo delta 4 pregnane, turkesterone.


You can't confuse these nomenclatures with what they're claiming, you just CAN'T. They're so far off base it's insane.

Look at the rest of the ingredients...they make the same mistakes on ALL of them:

Equibolin - "4-androstenediol/5-androstenediol"...this contains 1,4-DHEA

1-AD - "boldione, androstanedione, 4-androstenediol and/or 5-androstenediol"...this contains 1-DHEA

1-Testosterone - "boldione and androstenedione; and androdiol, which contained 4-androstenediol and/or 5-androstenediol"...this contains 1-DHEA



The ONLY reason DMAA is being lumped into this is because they strong armed Jared and said "in order to get bailed out on selling a NATURAL RED YEAST RICE EXTRACT and PROHORMONES WHICH DON'T CONTAIN ANY OF THE ACTIVES WE SAY THEY DO...you have to stop selling DMAA in the meantime"
 
I'm no .gov lover, so no duh they are using anything and everything they can - just like Al Capone and tax evasion - totally agree it's a witch hunt.

BUT - *If* Choladrene had more than zero, or trace amounts of Monacolin-K in it, it was in violation of a 1998 FDA ruling stemming from the CholestinTM case. If you culture RYR the "normal", culinary way - there are only trace amounts. If you specifically culture to increase the amount of Monacolin-K, then you run afoul of the ruling. It's like Pine Pollen and Testosterone if you could somehow increase the amount in it and make it Trans-Dermal - you'd have the FDA and Andro-Gel up your hind quarters. How much Monacolin-K was in Choladrene? If the answer is zero or trace, HT will win the case, and while no lawyer, maybe get the DMAA back since the initial enforcement action had no merit? If the level of Monacolin-K was higher, it shouldn't have been, since even 2014 was 16 years after the Cholestin case.

Here's a good rundown, by a lawfirm, on the Cholestin case, in an article about CBD: Invalid Link Removed

Using the "everybody is selling RYR!" is a poor argument (PricePlow) - it's the amount of Monacolin-K in the products, that matters.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I'm no .gov lover, so no duh they are using anything and everything they can - just like Al Capone and tax evasion - totally agree it's a witch hunt.

BUT - *If* Choladrene had more than zero, or trace amounts of Monacolin-K in it, it was in violation of a 1998 FDA ruling stemming from the CholestinTM case. If you culture RYR the "normal", culinary way - there are only trace amounts. If you specifically culture to increase the amount of Monacolin-K, then you run afoul of the ruling. It's like Pine Pollen and Testosterone if you could somehow increase the amount in it and make it Trans-Dermal - you'd have the FDA and Andro-Gel up your hind quarters. How much Monacolin-K was in Choladrene? If the answer is zero or trace, HT will win the case, and while no lawyer, maybe get the DMAA back since the initial enforcement action had no merit? If the level of Monacolin-K was higher, it shouldn't have been, since even 2014 was 16 years after the Cholestin case.

Here's a good rundown, by a lawfirm, on the Cholestin case, in an article about CBD: Invalid Link Removed

Using the "everybody is selling RYR!" is a poor argument (PricePlow) - it's the amount of Monacolin-K in the products, that matters.
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Unfortunately the FDA has not claimed the amount found...just that it was in there. Which to me, seems like an easy excuse to claim whatever they want as a way to "get in the door" and then drop that specific charge later.
 
I have no insider information other than what Vaughn posted (and I completely, 100% trust Vaughn).





-Spaz
 
I jump in the general forum after months away and it's an episode of Scandal.
 
I ordered 2 tubs of mesomorph to get me by for some heavy leg workouts, probably get more,
How is the snowcone and green apple flavours.
 
paul56778 said:
I ordered 2 tubs of mesomorph to get me by for some heavy leg workouts, probably get more,
How is the snowcone and green apple flavours.
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I too want to know, bet they're good. I just wasn't a fan of tutti fruity so anything that's off base from that I can tolerate lol. I love me some meso.
 
YamahaC76 said:
I too want to know, bet they're good. I just wasn't a fan of tutti fruity so anything that's off base from that I can tolerate lol. I love me some meso.
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I did not like mesomorph in tutti fruitti to sickly, best i have had was pink lemonade and rocket pop, so am hoping sno cone and green apple i get taste nicer, also was put off by cotton candy as it does not sound to appealing and could be a sickly flavour.
 
paul56778 said:
I did not like mesomorph in tutti fruitti to sickly, best i have had was pink lemonade and rocket pop, so am hoping sno cone and green apple i get taste nicer, also was put off by cotton candy as it does not sound to appealing and could be a sickly flavour.
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Waiting in some cotton candy myself. Interested to see how it tastes
 
Duality29 said:
I got in on snow cone and green apple. Tutti fruitti just didn't taste good at all lol
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I wasn’t a fan of tutti fruiti either
 
Duality29 said:
It reminded me of that old zebra stripes bubble gum. Smelled exactly like it, and tasted pretty terrible just like it too
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To be fair I was expecting it to taste like that. Being younger myself it brought back some nostalgia but it wasn’t good as an everyday flavor
 
Big_Spaz said:
I have no insider information other than what Vaughn posted (and I completely, 100% trust Vaughn) but I personally am stocking up on some DMAA products today.

I already purchased 7 tubs of Superpump 250 and will probably pickup some Meso as well. No doubt in my mind Hi-Tech will fight this (they always do and that's why we love them ...) but they are clearly using whatever tactics they need to in order to tackle this (DMAA). So it's war ... and in the meantime like someone else said, I'm not letting DMAA go down like the PH ban where I was left with nothing.





-Spaz
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I got 23 sealed tubs of dmaa pre and just ordered 3 tubs of Off The Chain ?
 
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