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Mowgli throws away the Ugly Sweater and gets PHAT AF

PWO Stack
-Chaos & Pain - Cannibal Ferox - 1 scoop
-Chaos & Pain - Legendary - 2 Pills
Intra
-Stance Nutrition - BCAA - 1 scoop

It has come to my attention that I have been double dosing Bloodshot because of a manufacturer mistake. Fortunately, I am still alive, but it is unfortunate that such an error occurred. I will shoot for taking a week off to give my body a chance to bounce back from such high doses of DMAA. Luckily, no major side effects or no issues from taking such high dose. I am happy about that.. but it is still scary to think that such an error occurred. I will be taking my other pre's/ coffee and I am adding my final 30 pills or so of C&P Legendary to give me a little boost

Lower Power
-Squat: 235 lbs
-Straight Leg DL: 235 lbs
-Leg Ext: 180-190 lbs
-Leg Curl: 170 lbs
-Sit Calf: 205-230 lbs
-Stand Calf: 225-245 lbs
-Cardio: 1 mile run on treadmill 9:12

Post
-Dymatize whey - 1 Scoop
-Muscle Tech Platinum Creatine - 1 Scoop
-Finaflex Active Multivitamin

Through the Day
C&P Helios
 
Mowglisml said:
PWO Stack
-Chaos & Pain - Cannibal Ferox - 1 scoop
-Chaos & Pain - Legendary - 2 Pills
Intra
-Stance Nutrition - BCAA - 1 scoop

It has come to my attention that I have been double dosing Bloodshot because of a manufacturer mistake. Fortunately, I am still alive, but it is unfortunate that such an error occurred. I will shoot for taking a week off to give my body a chance to bounce back from such high doses of DMAA. Luckily, no major side effects or no issues from taking such high dose. I am happy about that.. but it is still scary to think that such an error occurred. I will be taking my other pre's/ coffee and I am adding my final 30 pills or so of C&P Legendary to give me a little boost

Legs Power
-Squat: 235 lbs
-Straight Leg DL: 235 lbs
-Leg Ext: 180-190 lbs
-Leg Curl: 170 lbs
-Sit Calf: 205-230 lbs
-Stand Calf: 225-245 lbs
-Cardio: 1 mile run on treadmill 9:12

Post
-Dymatize whey - 1 Scoop
-Muscle Tech Platinum Creatine - 1 Scoop
-Finaflex Active Multivitamin

Through the Day
C&P Helios
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interesting, how did the mix up happen where you were double dosing? glad you are alright!
 
Wimsicle said:
interesting, how did the mix up happen where you were double dosing? glad you are alright!
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The label and serving dose is all okay. I guess they ended up placing a larger scooper that would be equivalent to a double dose! I read that this was discovered when someone Inquired to the company that they only got 19 servings out of the tub.
 
Mowglisml said:
The label and serving dose is all okay. I guess they ended up placing a larger scooper that would be equivalent to a double dose! I read that this was discovered when someone Inquired to the company that they only got 19 servings out of the tub.
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Whoa. thats a HUGE mistake with the already super high DMAA content... theyre lucky it wasn't a court case that got their attention.
 
Mowglisml said:
Yea man. Pretty scary
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I just tried it myself the other day and wrote a giant review in the "in the mail..." thread... It was a wild ride. Not something I would use very often, if ever again ha.
 
booneman77 said:
I just tried it myself the other day and wrote a giant review in the "in the mail..." thread... It was a wild ride. Not something I would use very often, if ever again ha.
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Woa.. just read it. Damn. Crazy how it affects everyone differently!
 
Oconns28 said:
Man that's so sketchy!!! A screw up that like should never happen.
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Yeah I've seen wrong scoopers sent out before, but in a product that is already toeing the line of safety... thats just inexcusable.
 
booneman77 said:
Yeah I've seen wrong scoopers sent out before, but in a product that is already toeing the line of safety... thats just inexcusable.
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Ya weren't people even talking on here before the release that people should start with a 1/2 dose and work their way up? Naw screw that's go straight for a double!!! Haha. But not really fun. Scary actually
 
Oconns28 said:
Ya weren't people even talking on here before the release that people should start with a 1/2 dose and work their way up? Naw screw that's go straight for a double!!! Haha. But not really fun. Scary actually
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oh hell yeah we were. 120mg of DMAA is probably the highest on the market... For reference, 75mg is what is beleived to ahve been in OG Jack3d and peopple took like 2 scoops and died (combined with heat and stress, but still)
 
booneman77 said:
oh hell yeah we were. 120mg of DMAA is probably the highest on the market... For reference, 75mg is what is beleived to ahve been in OG Jack3d and peopple took like 2 scoops and died (combined with heat and stress, but still)
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I've never had DMAA so if I tried that and only had 1 sample I'd go full because I'd want to know....that wouldn't have been a fun trip
 
PWO Stack
-PNR Pre-Workout - 1 heap scoop (This pre doesn't cut it anymore LOL! At least it woke me up to hit the gym)
-Chaos & Pain - Legendary - 2 Pills
-Chaos & Pain - Permaswole - whatever was left in my tub probably half a scoop (if that).. sadness :(
Intra
-Stance Nutrition - BCAA - 1 scoop

Push Power
-BB Bench: 180 lbs
-Overhead Press: 105-115 lbs
-Skull Crushers: 80-70 lbs (reduced weight due to some minor pain on my left elbow)
-Smith Incline Bench: 135 lbs
-Side Raise with Plates: 25 lbs
-Rope PD: 52.5 lbs
-Cardio: None

Post
-Dymatize whey - 1 Scoop
-Muscle Tech Platinum Creatine - 1 Scoop
-Finaflex Active Multivitamin

Through the Day
C&P Helios

Not a bad workout. I am seriously loving this program. I am starting to feel solid. The wife started noticing visual changes as well (i was prancing around in my undies the other night LOL). I am starting to come to the end of some of my supplies. Running low on Helios and my other pre's (blood shot is probably half way done since I was double dosing). I want to wait for another sale to put together a good stack.. hmm.. Any recommendations?
 
Good job dude! Such a depressing time when the supps run low!!

I'd think the guys behind blood shot should be sending out a free tub to anyone who bought it... you know as a sorry for almost killing you lol
 
How much do you notice the C&P Helios? Can you give me some more info and deeper analysis on how it helps you?
 
have you ever tried x gels (or xfactor/Arachidonic acid)? personally thats one of my favorite natty supps. Gives me a little strength boost (which Ive always been able to keep after I finish it) and slightly better pumps (Im lower carb tho so this would be better if my diet was different). Pair it with something containing forskolin (anabeta elite is my go-to) and is an awesome stack for some power as well as body comp.
 
Oconns28 said:
Good job dude! Such a depressing time when the supps run low!!

I'd think the guys behind blood shot should be sending out a free tub to anyone who bought it... you know as a sorry for almost killing you lol
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HAHA Yea I know.. Unfortunately, I did not buy it or else I would have loved another tub supply :)



Wimsicle said:
How much do you notice the C&P Helios? Can you give me some more info and deeper analysis on how it helps you?
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I really noticed the Helios at 2 scoops per day, which sucks because you would need 2 tubs for 30 days. I used one tub double dosed for 15 days and then the 2nd tub only 1 scoop for maintenance. The double scoop got rid of my left knee pain that I had and eliminated any other annoying kinks I had on my elbows (particularly my left), but my left elbow is coming back due to the increased weight stress from this PHAT program. I am almost done with it so right now it helps to flavor my water, but it really shines at 2 servings.
 
booneman77 said:
have you ever tried x gels (or xfactor/Arachidonic acid)? personally thats one of my favorite natty supps. Gives me a little strength boost (which Ive always been able to keep after I finish it) and slightly better pumps (Im lower carb tho so this would be better if my diet was different). Pair it with something containing forskolin (anabeta elite is my go-to) and is an awesome stack for some power as well as body comp.
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After my cut I am thinking about running something similar! Really been looking to try x gels, and ABE looks awesome too. I have another pouch of Evomuse BMP too and 2 bottles of Shift I am going to run at least. Maybe after those 2 bottles I'll switch to ABE to keep up on the forskolin but shift the approach to more recomp/gains

(Sorry mowg not trying to hijack your thread, just getting discussion started haha)
 
Mowglisml said:
I really noticed the Helios at 2 scoops per day, which sucks because you would need 2 tubs for 30 days. I used one tub double dosed for 15 days and then the 2nd tub only 1 scoop for maintenance. The double scoop got rid of my left knee pain that I had and eliminated any other annoying kinks I had on my elbows (particularly my left), but my left elbow is coming back due to the increased weight stress from this PHAT program. I am almost done with it so right now it helps to flavor my water, but it really shines at 2 servings.
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Okay cool thanks! I have really bad upper back / neck pain. Probably due to the nature of my job and always being hunched forward.. lol. I want to try something to alleviate some of the pain and get some mobility back there but I also don't want to pay our the arse for it. Stuck between a rock and a hard place :P
 
Boone: nope never tried them. Interesting.

Wims: no worries by all means discuss this helps me out on what to dive into next. And yea, i would say get helios next time they have a bogo.
 
booneman77 said:
have you ever tried x gels (or xfactor/Arachidonic acid)? personally thats one of my favorite natty supps. Gives me a little strength boost (which Ive always been able to keep after I finish it) and slightly better pumps (Im lower carb tho so this would be better if my diet was different). Pair it with something containing forskolin (anabeta elite is my go-to) and is an awesome stack for some power as well as body comp.
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Would stacking with alphamax xt be good as well?
 
Mowglisml said:
Would stacking with alphamax xt be good as well?
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yep. amax or abe are pretty common stackers around here. both have a good dose of forskolin for the synergy on top of their own benefits. The Lohdra in ABE has some synergies as well.
 
booneman77 said:
yep. amax or abe are pretty common stackers around here. both have a good dose of forskolin for the synergy on top of their own benefits. The Lohdra in ABE has some synergies as well.
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Cool. I guess i'll keep and eye out for a sale on them. It gets pricey since you would need 2 bottles .
 
BTW: Picked up x-gels and alphamax xt along with other on sale goodies. Protein and off the chain aminos ;)
 
PWO Stack
-Chaos & Pain - Cannibal Ferox - 1 scoop
-Chaos & Pain - Legendary - 2 Pills *took an extra pill last night in addition to my 2 pwo
Intra
-Stance Nutrition - BCAA - 1 scoop

Pull Power
-Deadlift: 285 lbs
-Pullups: bodyweight (that's 184 lbs)
-Closegrip cable rows: 160 lbs
-Lat pulldown: 140 lbs
-SA DB Row: 60 lbs
-Read DB Delt Fly: 25 lbs
-Cardio: None. I didn't need it though. I was sweating like crazy

Post
-Dymatize whey - 1 Scoop
-Muscle Tech Platinum Creatine - 1 Scoop
-Finaflex Active Multivitamin

Through the Day
C&P Helios (2 doses. * i also added another dose last night with a shake. Try and mitigate my elbow nuisance)

Workout was alright. Not the same without my Bloodshot haha.. But I pulled through. Sweating my ass off. Deadlifts took about 30 minutes to complete. Then I focused and put the rest of the workout in about 25 minutes. That felt great.
booneman77 - Yea man I had to get the offthechain aminos with dmaa ;) BOGO Free
 
booneman77 said:
oh hell yeah we were. 120mg of DMAA is probably the highest on the market... For reference, 75mg is what is beleived to ahve been in OG Jack3d and peopple took like 2 scoops and died (combined with heat and stress, but still)
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I took 3 scoops of Jack3d all of the time. I was a rep for them and did Demos so they sent me like 1000 sample packs. Each sample pack came with 3 scoops worth of Jack3d. I just used the whole packet most of the time. I would do half the packet if lifting at night so I could sleep easier. Yeah some people may have died from 2 but they were not healthy in the first place, I can tell you that! If healthy in most normal ways, not healthy as far as being dehydrated severely or something other extreme they introduced into the mix. I will say this when I took the whole packet of Jack3d, even @4:30AM I looked like this guy in between sets. :dance:

The OG Mesomorph had 90mg and like 450mg caffeine in 1 scoop along with some other stims!!!! It was ridiculous! The DMAA that is out now feels like the Ephedra that is out now after the ban. It is somehow weaker than it used to be mg for mg or at least seems to be. I got the SuperPump250 with DMAA in it and was severely let down on the energy it provided going into it with fond memories of DMAA.
 
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MrKleen73 said:
I took 3 scoops of Jack3d all of the time. I was a rep for them and did Demos so they sent me like 1000 sample packs. Each sample pack came with 3 scoops worth of Jack3d. I just used the whole packet most of the time. I would do half the packet if lifting at night so I could sleep easier. Yeah some people may have died from 2 but they were not healthy in the first place, I can tell you that! If healthy in most normal ways, not healthy as far as being dehydrated severely or something other extreme they introduced into the mix. I will say this when I took the whole packet of Jack3d, even @4:30AM I looked like this guy in between sets. :dance:

The OG Mesomorph had 90mg and like 450mg caffeine in 1 scoop along with some other stims!!!! It was ridiculous! The DMAA that is out now feels like the Ephedra that is out now after the ban. It is somehow weaker than it used to be mg for mg or at least seems to be. I got the SuperPump250 with DMAA in it and was severely let down on the energy it provided going into it with fond memories of DMAA.
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this is so true... I also at one point was triple scooping OG jack3d (totally forgot about those days when i didn't even know what was in it, jus that it made me feel like I could run through walls)... There's definintely a difference tho between current and old dmaa. Very few of the new ones actually make me feel like I did from the OG days. That said, its still too much stim, especially when not built up to it (hell, 2 scoops of alphamine has had me flying lately so that tells you where my tolerance is right now haha).
 
booneman77 said:
this is so true... I also at one point was triple scooping OG jack3d (totally forgot about those days when i didn't even know what was in it, jus that it made me feel like I could run through walls)... There's definintely a difference tho between current and old dmaa. Very few of the new ones actually make me feel like I did from the OG days. That said, its still too much stim, especially when not built up to it (hell, 2 scoops of alphamine has had me flying lately so that tells you where my tolerance is right now haha).
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Haha well Alphamine @ 2 scoops would do me very well if not be overboard now. That is why I was really expecting more from the Super Pump 250 with DMAA. It had 60mg per scoop and I still have some old school DMAA caps @60 that would send me flying compared to that stuff, and it also has caffeine in it.
 
Mowglisml said:
Wow. I missed out on dmaa.. the first time I took it was last year meso around November.
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Me too man! Well I haven't even had the new DMAA. Pretty sure it's not sold in Canada. I could really use if. I think I've built up a pretty high stim tolerance
 
Oconns28 said:
Me too man! Well I haven't even had the new DMAA. Pretty sure it's not sold in Canada. I could really use if. I think I've built up a pretty high stim tolerance
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Where at in CA are you?
 
PWO Stack
-PNR Pre - 1 heap scoop
-Final scoop of Helios
Intra
-Stance Nutrition - BCAA - 1 scoop

Lower Hypertrophy
-Leg Press: 600 lbs
-DB Lunge: 35-40 lbs
-Leg Ext: 145-155 lbs *
-Leg Curl: 130 lbs *
-Sit Calf: 185-195 lbs
-Calf on leg press machine: 250 lbs**
-Cardio: 5:27 min jog treadmill. 0.5 miles
*at the end of set I went up one plate on machine and then ran the weight all the way to lowest setting. Quads felt like they were going to catch fire. Hams felt like they were going to rip! ;)
**drop sets at the end
Post
-Dymatize whey - 1 Scoop
-Muscle Tech Platinum Creatine - 1 Scoop
-Finaflex Active Multivitamin

I had a great workout today and it was because of food intake last night. I didn't grocery shop for the week and so my cal intake Monday and Tuesday was super low. I've ate that little before but this program is very demanding. Last night i did AYCE sushi :). This morning I was ready to go and the crappy pre actually gave me energy today haha. X-gels and alphamax are due for delivery Tuesday night. So i'll be starting Wednesday the 10th :)
 
Driven2lift said:
Best place to be

If you are SW I likely drive through your area at least once a week. Boone drops in the GTA on occasion as well
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I'm in Peterborough. It's about a hour and a half from Toronto. I don't leave here often lol family life has me pretty busy
 
Oconns28 said:
I'm in Peterborough. It's about a hour and a half from Toronto. I don't leave here often lol family life has me pretty busy
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Maybe next time I'm up in TO we can arrange a meetup somewhere in the middle ish. I can bring you some fun stuff to try out
 
booneman77 said:
Maybe next time I'm up in TO we can arrange a meetup somewhere in the middle ish. I can bring you some fun stuff to try out
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Hey ok cool man! Wow I was looking through SNS and they seriously do have a lot of good looking stuff! Of course the x-gels that are frequently talked about on this forum! Must be fun to get your hands on all that stuff
 
Oconns28 said:
Hey ok cool man! Wow I was looking through SNS and they seriously do have a lot of good looking stuff! Of course the x-gels that are frequently talked about on this forum! Must be fun to get your hands on all that stuff
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Ha just let me know if there's stuff you want. Even if we can't get schedules right to meet up I can send you the stuff from within CA.
 
PWO Stack
-Coffee w/ ONNIT Pumpkin Spice Emulsified MCT Oil
-Mug Cake - Quest Peanut Butter, Oats, baking powder, a drizzle of chocolate chips, almond milk, D's Natural Brownie Fluff Butter
-Chaos & Pain - Legendary - 3 Pills

Intra
-Stance Nutrition BCAA + 1/2 Scoop of PNR Pre (finally done with this tub LOL)

Push Hyper
-DB shoulder press: 55-60 lbs
-Incline DB bench: 60-70 lbs
-Tri Dips: bodyweight (mixed in some chest dips)
-BB sit press: 95 lbs
-Decline Machine Press: 80 lbs (pre exhausted with lighter weight. At the end I did some burn outs with lighter weight)
-OH tri press: 55 lbs
-Cardio: None

Good workout. I decided to go with the coffee and food combo because I only had 1/2 scoop left of that pre and 1/2 a scoop wouldn't have done jack!
 
Mowglisml said:
LOL i just noticed you are a SNS rep. What happened with Sparta?
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I've always been an SNS rep ha. long before PHW or Sparta actually, was just duel repping for awhile. Sparta isn't a board sponsor anymore so there was no more rep jobs ha.
 
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