HIT4ME Pushing The Envelope With Evolutionary Muse
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Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
I just recovered from a supraspinatus tear, no fun at all! We all should look for another sport...how about chess?
I've already had it in the right side and now the left
Eh, nothing more frustrating than wanting to do something and only have that cause MORE frustration ...
hairygrandpa
Legend
How did the injury happen? Over time -or with a "Bam"?I've already had it in the right side and now the left
Mine was while front rising (and ego lifting <---damnit).
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
Right side was "just like that". Left side has been coming the last couple of months - feel it the way felt the right side the week before it "hit". I can't wale up one morning and have no movement like I did then. I'm surprise my body has not just given up on me by now with everything I push it through daily.
hairygrandpa
Legend
Tried BPC? It did wonders for me, together with PEG-MGF, having it now in the fridge for emergencies.
Trick is: use low concentration at high volume (lots of bac water).
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
There is actually a lot of things I canNOT use due to "abusing" it to help "manage" pain and injuries in the past and ultimately causing other serious and unpleasant internal physiological issues, and as I refuse to have surgery, well...
hairygrandpa
Legend
This should make BPC and MGF your "weapon of choice". No abuse potential at all.
hairygrandpa
Legend
I'm preparing for surgery right now, after not visiting any doc for 30 years. When there is no other way, we have to go through it.
Have cartilage floating in my knees, it has to be removed, period. Will curling dumbbells while in wheelchair, I promise! LOL
ChocolateClen
Well-known member
Supraspinatus is probably the factor, maybe your biceps tendon is playing in to it as well. Could be your acromion is shaped a little differently which puts pressure on the supraspinatus
I'd run some BPC honestly. It'll def help. Easy on and easy off. Easy to forget about it too since it has no psychological effects
I'd run some BPC honestly. It'll def help. Easy on and easy off. Easy to forget about it too since it has no psychological effects
ChocolateClen
Well-known member
You sure it has to be removed? Depending on where it is it may be able to "reattach" so to speak. Cartilage does regrow, but only on the outside superficial portion of it. Not sure if BPC causes cartilage growth but I'm sure it can due to increased vascularity
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
Not a fan of doctors or the medical profession/system, to be honest, and no one really can ever "help" me or seem to want to. I've dealt with bone fragments in my knees for years and even have had my legs give out on me, but I stick it out. Regardless of whatever I am (or are not) told, I am going to live my life the way I do and not let it stop me. Call it stubborn or whatever you will, but that's just the simple way it is and is unlikely to change.
hairygrandpa
Legend
Pretty sure surgery is needed. A year ago, Epistane fugged my knees up, dried them out, later had an "accident" while having dry joints. I suddenly wanted to show a friend some martial arts moves from my youth, while drunk (you are allowed to laugh your azz off at this point) , stepped on a bottle on the floor and hit concrete with both knees.
Since I already injected veterinarian meds into my knees -and BPC without avail, I made the decision to visit finally a doc.
Did MRI today, in a few weeks the doc decides what he will do.
Normally, I'm my own physician. Worked for 3 decades, so I'm on your side = no love for docs.
Studhorse
Legend
dam i'm laughing so hard i'm crying! HGP I can see that. that is some funny drunk Sh it.
hairygrandpa
Legend
My friend was "impressed" about that "move" and the following "sound effects", my swearing could be heard from blocks away.
HIT4ME
Well-known member
Ok, sorry for no updates last couple days. Glad to see my thread blew up without me here!
Rosie Chee - You keep plugging. You are smart and you will figure it out. As someone who shares your stubbornness, and your need to do it your own way, I want share the one thing I TRY to keep in mind but I'm not usually good at. When doing it your own way - if it's not working, make sure you're honest about it to yourself! YOU are the only person you have to answer to. If you are happy doing what you do, then that's what matters. But if you aren't getting the result you want, then step back and figure it out. But you have to realize what you're trying isn't working first, and for me, that is often a difficult step. I'm not saying that what you are doing is or is not working - only you can judge that. If you have pain, I know you're smart enough to figure out the answer to it, just keep trying different things!!
As for the BPC-157, it is well reviewed. You inject it into the injured area, and it heals. There is no pain killing effect, no psychological effect, etc. It isn't like the more you inject the more pain relief you get - so abuse potential is virtually non-existent as mentioned above.
hairygrandpa - you certainly are a character. Don't you know that Old Power lifters shouldn't be doing martial arts?
Today's Update:
Bodyweight: 191.3
Bodyfat %: 25%
My weight has been steadily climbing the last 2 days. It is strange - I did have a small cheat last night - a lemon square (I'm stupid) - but I was under 2,000 calories for the day and probably under 1700 actually. No way I gained 2 pounds since yesterday and 4 pounds in the last 2 days. My water weight is just going crazy.
As far as pain goes and my rest, well, I've cut my rest short and some more strange things have happened. My leg is still showing a little bit of pain, but I think the rolling on the baseball and rest are really helping it. It has been greatly reduced. My foot is feeling better, but after putting pressure on it (like going outside and chopping up some small trees that fell), it hurts mildly and I know it's not ready for running yet. But everything is getting better, slowly.
Now, there was some discussion of doing another "challenge" and I was thinking about this. Improvement isn't something you go out and do once and then you're done - improvement is something that you give to over time and you practice. I like incorporating this into challenges. Not that it isn't fun to see what you can do in one shot; but the challenges of life are long-term, not always one shot.
So, I was thinking that pull-ups are the ONE exercise that seems to impress just about EVERYONE who sees someone doing them. I know it was one of the exercises that I admired seeing others do, and when I saw people making them look easy it inspired me. I've gotten better at them, but I'm still not "good" at them.
Naturally, the idea of a 6-week pull up challenge came to mind. The challenge will be something completely INSANE for many people - but it's not about hitting a number. It's about putting in your best effort and improving, and getting something out of it. It's about getting from where you are today, to some place that you weren't sure you could get to, or maybe didn't believe you could get to.
Then, I had another idea pop into my head - you know how there are people in the gym that ALL they ever train is chest and arms? Yeah, the guys that we normally make fun of because, well, they have no idea what they're doing and can't squat or deadlift. Yeah, like hairygrandpa - right, you got it. Have you ever noticed that these guys, often times, actually have pretty good chest and biceps development despite the fact they don't know what they're doing, don't squat, don't have a clue? I'd never thought about it before, mainly because I feel squats and deadlifts carry over into real life and are more beneficial than bench presses and barbell curs.
You ever see the studies that show that once you have muscle built, it's easier to gain it back? Or that once you take steroids and build muscle, your muscles will always become bigger more easily?
Well, what if there is some MERIT to training just 1-2 bodyparts exclusively until they get big? Sure, they will get smaller when you stop training them to train another part exclusively, but it will also be easier to make them larger again later.
So, in other words, maybe something like Chest/Triceps being trained EXCLUSIVELY for 2 weeks, then upper back and biceps for 2 weeks, then shoulders and lower back for 2 weeks, then legs for 2 weeks, then a rest period. You completely kill a muscle group in a period, then move on. High volume, high intensity, high frequency. You won't strain your CNS all that much because it's just 2 muscle groups so even though it's "high volume" it's not high-volume for the full body. Then after it is done, that muscle group will have a TON of recovery time before it gets hit again.
This kind of goes against some theories on recovery...I haven't worked out all the details yet in my head. But how does this go with the challenge?
Well, I've been trying to see how often I can do pull ups. Monday night I did this workoug:
Pull ups: 10 sets X BW - reps per set were : 7,5,5,5,5,4,3,4,4,3 = 45 reps
Preacher Cable Curls: 10 sets X 30 pounds: 7,5,5,4,4,3,2,2,3,2 = 37 reps
And last night I did:
Pull ups: 11 sets X BW : 5,2,4,3,3,2,2,2,2,2,1 = 28 reps
EZ Bar Curls: 8 sets X 55: 8,8,7,7,6,5,4,5 = 50 reps
And how does this get back to my injuries? Well, I've been doing this and when I woke up this morning I realized, I had NO pain in my shoulder. It pops and cracks like I can't believe right now still (really sounds like impingement I think) - but suddenly no pain. I've had some periods during the day where it has some weakness and some minor pain, but it's a huge improvement. I was NOT expecting that and expected the pull ups to actually make it worse...
It's only been two days, and my upper back and arms are sore - but they feel like they are swollen/constantly pumped today. It hurts, but I'm going to keep hammering and see what happens....and it isn't quite as sore as I might have thought.
Part of me thinks this is a dumb idea...but you never know unless you try.
Rosie Chee - You keep plugging. You are smart and you will figure it out. As someone who shares your stubbornness, and your need to do it your own way, I want share the one thing I TRY to keep in mind but I'm not usually good at. When doing it your own way - if it's not working, make sure you're honest about it to yourself! YOU are the only person you have to answer to. If you are happy doing what you do, then that's what matters. But if you aren't getting the result you want, then step back and figure it out. But you have to realize what you're trying isn't working first, and for me, that is often a difficult step. I'm not saying that what you are doing is or is not working - only you can judge that. If you have pain, I know you're smart enough to figure out the answer to it, just keep trying different things!!
As for the BPC-157, it is well reviewed. You inject it into the injured area, and it heals. There is no pain killing effect, no psychological effect, etc. It isn't like the more you inject the more pain relief you get - so abuse potential is virtually non-existent as mentioned above.
hairygrandpa - you certainly are a character. Don't you know that Old Power lifters shouldn't be doing martial arts?
Today's Update:
Bodyweight: 191.3
Bodyfat %: 25%
My weight has been steadily climbing the last 2 days. It is strange - I did have a small cheat last night - a lemon square (I'm stupid) - but I was under 2,000 calories for the day and probably under 1700 actually. No way I gained 2 pounds since yesterday and 4 pounds in the last 2 days. My water weight is just going crazy.
As far as pain goes and my rest, well, I've cut my rest short and some more strange things have happened. My leg is still showing a little bit of pain, but I think the rolling on the baseball and rest are really helping it. It has been greatly reduced. My foot is feeling better, but after putting pressure on it (like going outside and chopping up some small trees that fell), it hurts mildly and I know it's not ready for running yet. But everything is getting better, slowly.
Now, there was some discussion of doing another "challenge" and I was thinking about this. Improvement isn't something you go out and do once and then you're done - improvement is something that you give to over time and you practice. I like incorporating this into challenges. Not that it isn't fun to see what you can do in one shot; but the challenges of life are long-term, not always one shot.
So, I was thinking that pull-ups are the ONE exercise that seems to impress just about EVERYONE who sees someone doing them. I know it was one of the exercises that I admired seeing others do, and when I saw people making them look easy it inspired me. I've gotten better at them, but I'm still not "good" at them.
Naturally, the idea of a 6-week pull up challenge came to mind. The challenge will be something completely INSANE for many people - but it's not about hitting a number. It's about putting in your best effort and improving, and getting something out of it. It's about getting from where you are today, to some place that you weren't sure you could get to, or maybe didn't believe you could get to.
Then, I had another idea pop into my head - you know how there are people in the gym that ALL they ever train is chest and arms? Yeah, the guys that we normally make fun of because, well, they have no idea what they're doing and can't squat or deadlift. Yeah, like hairygrandpa - right, you got it. Have you ever noticed that these guys, often times, actually have pretty good chest and biceps development despite the fact they don't know what they're doing, don't squat, don't have a clue? I'd never thought about it before, mainly because I feel squats and deadlifts carry over into real life and are more beneficial than bench presses and barbell curs.
You ever see the studies that show that once you have muscle built, it's easier to gain it back? Or that once you take steroids and build muscle, your muscles will always become bigger more easily?
Well, what if there is some MERIT to training just 1-2 bodyparts exclusively until they get big? Sure, they will get smaller when you stop training them to train another part exclusively, but it will also be easier to make them larger again later.
So, in other words, maybe something like Chest/Triceps being trained EXCLUSIVELY for 2 weeks, then upper back and biceps for 2 weeks, then shoulders and lower back for 2 weeks, then legs for 2 weeks, then a rest period. You completely kill a muscle group in a period, then move on. High volume, high intensity, high frequency. You won't strain your CNS all that much because it's just 2 muscle groups so even though it's "high volume" it's not high-volume for the full body. Then after it is done, that muscle group will have a TON of recovery time before it gets hit again.
This kind of goes against some theories on recovery...I haven't worked out all the details yet in my head. But how does this go with the challenge?
Well, I've been trying to see how often I can do pull ups. Monday night I did this workoug:
Pull ups: 10 sets X BW - reps per set were : 7,5,5,5,5,4,3,4,4,3 = 45 reps
Preacher Cable Curls: 10 sets X 30 pounds: 7,5,5,4,4,3,2,2,3,2 = 37 reps
And last night I did:
Pull ups: 11 sets X BW : 5,2,4,3,3,2,2,2,2,2,1 = 28 reps
EZ Bar Curls: 8 sets X 55: 8,8,7,7,6,5,4,5 = 50 reps
And how does this get back to my injuries? Well, I've been doing this and when I woke up this morning I realized, I had NO pain in my shoulder. It pops and cracks like I can't believe right now still (really sounds like impingement I think) - but suddenly no pain. I've had some periods during the day where it has some weakness and some minor pain, but it's a huge improvement. I was NOT expecting that and expected the pull ups to actually make it worse...
It's only been two days, and my upper back and arms are sore - but they feel like they are swollen/constantly pumped today. It hurts, but I'm going to keep hammering and see what happens....and it isn't quite as sore as I might have thought.
Part of me thinks this is a dumb idea...but you never know unless you try.
hairygrandpa
Legend
I read it all.
Why am I constantly harassed for not squatting -or deadlifting? Before fugging up my knees I did all that -and after the surgery I will do it again (if the goddess permits). By the way,
I'm using a bike, ever saw the legs of a bicyclist?
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...yes, those are my legs
By the way, I like your approach, did almost the same for months, it's sort of a "sheiko" training, kenpoengineer does it.
HIT4ME
Well-known member
I read it all.
Why am I constantly harassed for not squatting -or deadlifting? Before fugging up my knees I did all that -and after the surgery I will do it again (if the goddess permits). By the way,
I'm using a bike, ever saw the legs of a bicyclist?
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...yes, those are my legs
By the way, I like your approach, did almost the same for months, it's sort of a "sheiko" training, kenpoengineer does it.
Haha - you are constantly harassed because...well...I just like to harass you. It's how I show affection I guess.
I read it all. But, I wasn't impressed. I want my 5 minutes back!
lol - I didn't say YOU'D be impressed if you read it. I said I would be impressed if you read it. The reading is impressive...the writing...not so much.
No refunds on time. If you don't like it, don't read it. The question is, how do you know if you'll like it if you don't read it?
HIT4ME
Well-known member
This is why 6 weeks of pull up hell is for you!
Kaprice
Well-known member
I can't currently do a single, unassisted pull up. And I found that particular motion (either as pull ups or pull downs) causes crazy stress to my shoulders. I've given up on them for now.
I could do 25 unassisted pull ups in my youth. I'd never considered adding weight to them. I'm in awe of you and gramps for that.
I could do 25 unassisted pull ups in my youth. I'd never considered adding weight to them. I'm in awe of you and gramps for that.
hairygrandpa
Legend
I don't suck doing them, because it's all I do, like HIT4ME said.
That's why I have guns:
And you two:
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hairygrandpa
Legend
Honestly...
Do chin ups, no shoulder stress at all. Pull ups MAY be harder on shoulders. I know that it's hard at the beginning. Do them assisted -and assisted negatives at first. Don't just pull, try to get your nipples up, arch your back a little.
Once you can do them, you will see the benefits. This is one of the most beneficial workouts -and as HIT4ME said, one of the most noticeable, demonstrating true strength.
HIT4ME
Well-known member
25 is crazy. It's hard when you have extra weight - at 165 I could do 13 without much trouble, at 190 I can do about 8-9. I think the way to get started if you really want to do them is to do negatives - just step onto a bench with your head over the bar, step off the bench and lower yourself down. I was doing pull ups around 250 pounds after doing this. Sure I could only get 1 or 2 reps, but I could do them. Just keep working it. I tagged you in the challenge and would love for you to consider trying, unless you think it will cause injury. Don't want anyone getting hurt.
I don't suck doing them, because it's all I do, like HIT4ME said.
That's why I have guns:
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And you two:
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Well, anyone could look like that if they used steroids. haha. j/k.
Good advice here.
hairygrandpa
Legend
Chin ups do NOT injure your shoulders! Don't give Kaprice a pretext to chicken out(
) I should know with my rotator cuff tear. Pull ups, especially when doing them with a wide grip could be a shoulder killer.I would like to see Kaprice doing them, he will feel like he really accomplished something, when he does his first set of 3 - or 4. The feeling to be able to pull oneself all the way up is empowering!
HIT4ME
Well-known member
Chin ups do NOT injure your shoulders! Don't give Kaprice a pretext to chicken out(
I would like to see Kaprice doing them, he will feel like he really accomplished something, when he does his first set of 3 - or 4. The feeling to be able to pull oneself all the way up is empowering!
Yeah, but with our asparagus arms chin ups can be sooooo haaaarrrd.
hairygrandpa
Legend
Kaprice
Well-known member
Chin ups I can do. Not many, but some. I'll get those into my routine soon.
hairygrandpa
Legend
That is AWESOME !
I bet, after doing em twice a week for 2 month, you will add at least an inch to your biceps -lat will get wider too.
ryane87
Well-known member
Chin ups do NOT injure your shoulders! Don't give Kaprice a pretext to chicken out(
I would like to see Kaprice doing them, he will feel like he really accomplished something, when he does his first set of 3 - or 4. The feeling to be able to pull oneself all the way up is empowering!
Agreed. Wide grip pull ups give me a funny pop and feel, especially going back down.
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
I read it all.
Why am I constantly harassed for not squatting -or deadlifting? Before fugging up my knees I did all that -and after the surgery I will do it again (if the goddess permits). By the way,
I'm using a bike, ever saw the legs of a bicyclist?
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...yes, those are my legs
By the way, I like your approach, did almost the same for months, it's sort of a "sheiko" training, kenpoengineer does it.
So did I.
And who cares if you're not? I haven't done "legs" since 2012 really and I'm just fine.
Maybe having been a former cyclist is why no need LOL.
But in all seriousness, do what is right for YOU and **** the rest...
HIT4ME
Well-known member
Nah. hairygrandpa is just an old wimp. He doesn't do legs because he is weak and likes making excuses.
Rand0m
Member
How about neutral grip or on Olympic Rings?
hairygrandpa
Legend
Kaprice
Well-known member
Nah. hairygrandpa is just an old wimp. He doesn't do legs because he is weak and likes making excuses.
Easy to say when you're half the globe away. I dare you to say it to his face in a dark alley!
Kaprice
Well-known member
I remember trying neutral grip and finding those easier, but it's been a long while.
HIT4ME
Well-known member
Easy to say when you're half the globe away. I dare you to say it to his face in a dark alley!
Yeah. I may be small. But they make movies about the drug addicted fighters in my family.
Kaprice
Well-known member
HIT4ME
Well-known member
Nice guess.
DennisTheDane
Well-known member
Easy to say when you're half the globe away. I dare you to say it to his face in a dark alley!
Would very much like to meet Oldie in a dark alley.... I give hugs like you never tried before...I know he would like it very much..
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
That or change hand position - wider or narrower (sometimes wider can cause less stress) or even the neutral grip, or use underhand as opposed to overhand (changes focus a little more to biceps as well, but there is not that pressure on the shoulder that overhand uses). Be aware that any change will also change which part of your back the primary focus is on as well.
And if you want to work "back" without doing pull-ups, there are plenty of other exercises out there and variations of, that can be done instead.
hairygrandpa
Legend
Where is everybody? Hello?
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SFreed
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HIT4ME
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Haha - you guys are funny, but is that all you gotz? I'd expect more from SFreed - he is the king of meme's.
Pretty much, I just don't have much time for things lately. I am in the middle of a personal/professional renaissance TBH and I haven't been as focused on the diet as I should be. I'm not going nuts...just kind of doing what Kaprice has been doing, maybe in reverse. He's 100 calories under and I'm 100 calories over, haha.
As far as hairygrandpa goes, I am totally disregarding the advice you have historically given me and I am going after some big, big fish. After years of selling and working on all kinds of different projects I've realized - the little people kick you in the teeth just like the big people. So, I've compiled a list of 1300 owners with the smallest deal being over $5M. I'm working on researching, calling and following up with every last one of them. Most of these deals involve companies we have all heard of (or at least in the US) and if I can convince just ONE of them to sell, I already have about 5-10 buyers who will buy the assets in a heartbeat, and I will be successful and forget my roots and everyone at AM.
I am also working on making connections within the supplement industry because dsade and I have been working together to try to land some large accounts for Evomuse, which has actually been extremely fun. He and I may also have a side venture going developing a product for an extremely well-known non-supplement company.
In other words, I have a lot of pies in the sky right now.
Studhorse
Legend
that's where my brass balls went!