yates84
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That's 2,17α-dimethyl-17β-hydroxy-5α-androst-2-ene
Dosing Guide for Popular PH/DS
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That's 2,17α-dimethyl-17β-hydroxy-5α-androst-2-ene
Bunshichi
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Its not Superdrol. Its just a DHEAderivatives blend
Alpha1a
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Would this be something worth giving a try ?
yates84
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Yes, if you are interested in using sd this was one of the original nomenclatures used so if the bottle is correct you should be using sd. Not sure of the age of your sd or even the brand, can only give you info based on the nomenclature.
Alpha1a
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Thanks bro appreciate the info, it's from a trusted source for me I just don't know too well how to read the compounds
Jebrook
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Sorry I missed this bro. You spelled the tag wrong and I don't get notifications for this thread anymore for some reason
. Sounds like Yatesy had you covered. SD! FTWAllTheGainz
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Sad reading the list and just mentally striking through compounds that have gotten banned. Is there a trick for reading chemical formulas? I mean howd Yates know that was SD?
yates84
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Bunshichi
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For some its just reading the names often in different nomenclatures, like Yates said.
You could however learn the chemical nomenclature and build the structure based on the name and if you now know the structures of the common steroids is you will be able to iddntify most compounds.
Alpha1a
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Sorry I missed this bro. You spelled the tag wrong and I don't get notifications for this thread anymore for some reason
No worries bro !
Jebrook
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I've used that site before as reference but I don't believe one is allowed to link it according to forum rules. Might wanna consider deleting it before a mod does.
Jebrook
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Like Yates said. Years of research and familiarity. Also, the quick and easy way is to type the nomenclature directly into a search engine and it usually will show you the correct associated common name.
This is what I'm learning more about everyday. At first it was just repetition and familiarity. Now I'm fascinated by the science. Wish I was this interested in high school chemistry. Lol. All I did was sleep. Anabolics by William Llewelyn and Julius Vida's Anabolics and Androgens are great resources to me for understanding chemical structures and mechanisms of action. Also, I use a host of sites as resources. If anyone ever wants any of this info they can feel free to PM me.
AllTheGainz
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Anabolics make me want to take college chemistry, but then I think about organic Chem....
Jebrook
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It's probably a good thing I don't have more knowledge about chemistry than I do lest my bathroom be turned into my "lab".
AllTheGainz
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It's probably a good thing I don't have more knowledge about chemistry than I do lest my bathroom be turned into my "lab".
Maybe I should drop exercise science and become a chemist for undisclosed reasons.
I know how to make some stuff, but it all requires a base that I don't know how to make. That's the complicated part there.
JP10
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College Chem blew(Wasn't difficult, just boring), you aren't going to learn this kind of stuff or else I would've enjoyed it more! It's just covering basics, no crazy compounds.
Need Steriod Chemistry 101, I would take that in a heart beat!
End year project: Self administered steroids and results lol!
AllTheGainz
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I also only have the total basics down. Since you have to take a chemistry course while studying biology.
Well I forgot a big part again, but it really helps me out sometimes
It's pretty easy, I mean to understand, producing is on its own level. Rocket science is easier then producing imo
AllTheGainz
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Sign me up! I'd pay 2k in a heart beat for that class no questions asked
Jebrook
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Haven't used it but 100-120 mg is the most common dosage that I usually see.
yates84
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The more the better if you're experienced. It's a non methyl so you can really crank up the dose if you want.
saywutrly
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I ran IBE Max LMG and was honestly not too stoked with the results. I stacked 100mg per day with epistane. I expected more in the size department but was impressed with th strength gains of that combo and it was very well tolerated.
saywutrly
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I feel like I'm committing sacrilege to add to Yates, but beware cranking LMG up. It's a progestin, so beware of prolactin-related sides. SNS Inhibit-P is an excellent natural prolactin control, but always keep Prami on hand for flare ups. Better safe than lactating!!
yates84
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Good call, prolactin can definitely be an issue. Usually if estrogen is controlled prolactin will stay in line as well but leaky nips are definitely still a possibility.
rtmilburn
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They are two different monsters.
yates84
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Epiandro actually converts to DHT via a 2 step conversion where the 1 is a DHT derivative, it is methylated and doesn't have a conversion to dht. Both are dry and are feel good compounds but the 1 is going to be a lot stronger.
hairygrandpa
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I know it's not the right threat to ask, doing it anyway as I don't wanna open a new threat.
Does anyone know if stacking MK-677 with Fragment 176-191 is a good idea for a cut?
Does anyone know if stacking MK-677 with Fragment 176-191 is a good idea for a cut?
hairygrandpa
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Not injecting frag yet, cut will start after my injury is healed in about 2 weeks.
This is what I have on hand to use, the MK must go, have it stashed for almost a year now. Plan is a short drastic cut,
Lyle McDonald style.
The whole cycle would look like this:
1-6 Test-E 500mg (250mg 2x week) IM
1-6 Ostarine 25mg/day
1-6 Fragment 176-191 / 2 x 250mcg per day (one pre workout/cardio / one before bed) SC
1-6 MK-677 (upping to 30mg/day)
1-6 50mg TD Trest pre- workout
1-6 DMAA + Ephedra
1-6 exemestane/adex (when necessary EOD)
Support:
Vitamins
Fish oil
Saw Palmetto
Huperzine-a
My question is not if there are better fat burning stacks out there, lol, I know there are, the question is: Would the use of MK-677 be detrimental to -or would it be synergistic with the peptide? (Besides of the hunger you get when on MK, of course...not ideal in a cut).
7eman7
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Mk677 works synergistically with peptides from what I've seen. Specifically with cjc
saywutrly
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It is absolutely synergistic, but I was saying that there would be other inexpensive things to stack with it which would be more effective for a cut since frag has to be injected anyway. I'd personally stack the frag with both mod GRF 1-29 (essentially short acting CJC. You want pulses of GH in the male body, not a steady increase like the CJC) and ipamorelin for a cut. GHRP2 and 6 affect cortisol and appetite respectively, not ideal for a cut. This avoids the hunger issue with MK for your cut. Then when you bulk, run your MK and mod GRF with some GHRP6 and your appetite will be insane so you can gain mass up more easily.
hairygrandpa
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Good advise, will consider it for my next cut, don't have said peptides on hand right now.
saywutrly
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Jebrook it's been a long time since the OP was updated, but I'm seeing 1-testosterone/dihydroboldenone around and there's also some YouTubers talking about it. Therefore, I'd consider it relevant to add this compound as a designer steroid as that's how it was introduced to market. What say you, sir?
Jebrook
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I'm sure I can make dat happen cap'n
.I should make sure all the new andros are on there as well.
hazard12
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I'm sure I can make dat happen cap'n
I should make sure all the new andros are on there as well.
I dont know if you have gathered any new information on Methyldiazirinol, but I will be running it soon and would love to see some more info on it. There doesn't seem to be much out there besides low doses (35-45/day) and people rarely report effects that make it stand out. I was advised to run it with my recomp cycle by someone with years of experience both personal and with clients so I am pretty set on my choice but having some more info on what to expect and how to maximize profit would be nice!
vascopro
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You could update with what's still available in the UK... Thanks!!I'm sure I can make dat happen cap'n
I should make sure all the new andros are on there as well.
Stay strong J.
Bunshichi
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I only ran it stacked with Dimethandrostenol, but I'm sure the Methyldiazirinol was what made my muscles look absolutely full and defined. Ran it up till 80mg and I think without something else there should be the sweet spot. Stacked that was too much however. It's a great compound especially for the look on cycle.
hazard12
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Did you notice any signs of toxicity? Anything worth mentioning? I will be running it alongside TD test, TD bold and, after assessing the 1rst week, a hefty dose of epiandro (750-1000mg/day which is still relatively mild). I will be running it for 6 weeks and the whole cycle will last 11-12 total.
yates84
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Triumph toxicity is very minimal.
hazard12
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Thats what I like to hear! I am still running an almost overkill cycle support since im looking at 4 different compounds all at mid to high doses. They are all really mild on the side effects department but 4 is still 4 haha.
Thanks for confirming this!
hazard12
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Yeah, I would only run 1 methyl at a time unless it was something like methyldiazirinol and epistane, but then again theyd be both low dosage. Well, it seems like I will be one of the first if not the first to log test+bold+triumph+epiandro. Stay tuned for my log if you are interested!
yates84
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Both of those are dht based so you could run into some low estrogen issues. Not the best combo imo.
hazard12
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I get what you are saying, however I am currently ending a gyno battle and both test and bold aromatize. The last thing I need is for it to come back week 1 of my cycle. Having said that, I will give it 1 week on just triump,test,bold to see how I feel. If I dont see the need for the epiandro, I will save it for later or some other cycle.
Besides that, I have my suspicions that my body is naturally low on DHT and relatively high on test and estrogen. The epiandro is something I got to test this theory out. Yes, doing it in the middle of an already stacked cycle isnt really objective at all. Which is why I am waiting at least a week or more to introduce it if I feel the need.
If your argument holds true for my case then I will know it and there will be no need for the epiandro. Futhermore, If I do end up running the epiandro and I notice sides from too much dht or too low estro, I will either cut it out or lower the dose significantly.
Besides that, I have my suspicions that my body is naturally low on DHT and relatively high on test and estrogen. The epiandro is something I got to test this theory out. Yes, doing it in the middle of an already stacked cycle isnt really objective at all. Which is why I am waiting at least a week or more to introduce it if I feel the need.
If your argument holds true for my case then I will know it and there will be no need for the epiandro. Futhermore, If I do end up running the epiandro and I notice sides from too much dht or too low estro, I will either cut it out or lower the dose significantly.