sespress
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Would a cup of joe + 24 hour sudaphed work?
Alternately fluromodafanil is a good one. Not an everyday but you can only make things so clean right? Lol.
I want to try a supplement that makes me want to clean
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Alternately fluromodafanil is a good one. Not an everyday but you can only make things so clean right? Lol.
51FTY
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I am not looking to clean a floor with a toothbrush, like I have heard.
sespress
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You can also find all the ninjas in the bushes with some crystal. And you won't need the toothbrush anymore cause you'll lose all the teeth! It's a very efficient habit.
MidwestBeast
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All jokes aside, I think the question/topic is fair.
Cleaning is specific, but I know exactly what OP is mentioning. Because I'll often not have that urge/desire, so when it does come on, I take full advantage of it and maximize productivity when I can (it's been more of an issue as I've aged vs. when I was back in college).
Again, I think some type of balance between stimulants and nootropics will be the best bet, though it will vary from individual to individual.
Cleaning is specific, but I know exactly what OP is mentioning. Because I'll often not have that urge/desire, so when it does come on, I take full advantage of it and maximize productivity when I can (it's been more of an issue as I've aged vs. when I was back in college).
Again, I think some type of balance between stimulants and nootropics will be the best bet, though it will vary from individual to individual.
sespress
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Agreed, I equate cleaning to having to do some of the crap work on my shifts so I do think that coffee + a 'finil of one variety or another would be slamming. I find I actually start doing extra crap work because I'm pissed off someone else did a terrible job And and I redo it.
dsade
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Available OTC?
sespress
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Yeah some nootropics suppliers carry it. And other 'finil types. I have had the regular modafinil and thought them to be very comparible. About 100-150mg per dose is the sweet spot for me, but I am XL so maybe 80-90 of you've not had before and see how that goes. I can't keep it up day after day though, it's actually been a bit since the last time I had it.
rtmilburn
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It's grey area for sure! You can get it easily but it's not "legal" persay. Only finil that is legal is adrafinil(I think I misspelled that) as adrafinil is natural occurring and converts to modafinil by the liver
sespress
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But it sucks! Lol. Made me feel pretty bad and I hear it's tougher in the liver. But I can't confirm that, anecdotal reports only. The Floro felt close at least bit more jittery though. Can't be more grey area than a two step ph, or using a Peptide ... Can it? Is there a diff in how they are perceived?
It's something you'll likely determine you'll only use really as needed if you get it. It's no dextroamphetamine, no compulsive redose, no urge (at least with me) to take it again the next day.
I hear they all might have some bad effects on the brain long term even modafinil the original. Something about how they work on the neurotransmitters?
rtmilburn
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Over things you said is accurate!! As for the neurotransmitters idk. Im gonna go on a limb and say its effects on neurotransmitters would not be worse than dextroamphetamine, SSRIs, hell even caffeine. But like I said I truly don't know.
sespress
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Yeah i think it's dopamine and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor. (Citation needed!) I think the idea is like why ecstacy is terrible for you but in much slower motion. Again this is my theory based on that report online - the transmitters are building up and they're building up near the reuptake cells end near the production cells I think I've read that if a neurotransmitter reaches a high enough concentration it becomes toxic to the cell that produced it and burns it out and or the uptaking cells. then there's some sort of down regulation of the transmitters Target receptors... that may last longer than the actual effect of the drug.
Again that's based on ecstasy which is extremely strong probably puts to shame what the finnell's can do. But my poor man's theory (based on two years of college classes so it might be totally bunk) is over time you end up damaging one or both of those nerve transmitter cells and then they don't work right anymore.
Feel free to chop that up, I am looking online for some ref
sespress
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Oh yeah that's that's the best man you want to get something done you that's the way to go of course you can't just go grab it and it's not good to have it all the time LOL
rtmilburn
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Ya I got a script for it for severe adhd. I also try to use it maximum 3 times a week and even less if I can. I also go without during summer months when I'm not in school.
S.Dedication
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Kratom can do that, depending on the strain
bighulksmash
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Ready for War by get diesel nutrition is great !!! Nice dose of b12 and adaptogens .
sespress
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Good on ya man. If you gave me 30 30mg's right now I'd be up for 10 days, figure out how to build a wormhole, stop the aging process, travel through time, clean the bathroom (spotless) and then suffer cardiac arrest. I'm kidding, I would end up take them every day until gone though and THAT is why I stay away from amphetamines all together. So compulsive, and the amount you accomplish makes the drug's sex appeal self reinforcing. Very dangerous. At least with something harder you accomplish nothing, feel like poop and wonder what you were thinking. I can't believe they give it to kids, even in 10mg doses. It's no good to get them started on that so young.
I believe caffeine is still the only stim that's proven to increase all modes of performance at the same time, all the others make you great at one, and no good on another. Like Adderall, you get focused, but scatterbrained and disorganized overall. There's some meth type sim the military supposedly uses in small amounts for guys in big equipment and on long missions. The Nazis tried small doses of amphetamine and painkillers together in the end of the war. Fought like demons but then they crashed and were run over.
Anyways, I am a big big fan of the stuff in OxyMax, is it eria janeris or j. Regia? Whatever the stuff has in it other than caffeine is very functional & very mild on the nerves AND is not self reinforcing (my most important quality in a stim).
OP you could try OxyMaxXT and see where that goes. I take it with some food, a food bar at a min.
sespress
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That Chinese stuff is strange, you find it worked?
kisaj
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I'm trying to figure out how to put this without sounding like an *******, but I am curious if you have had much luck with supplements at all in the past. Seems like you tend to have issues with most things offered as a suggestion and you may still be having lingering issues with your past loss. Have you sought any therapy or other means to address what appears to be ongoing issue with motivation and mood? Not sure if any supplement is going to be a magic bullet for you at this point.
dsade
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Have you tried PLCAR?
dsade
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PLCAR has much more of a physical energizing property unlike ALCAR which is more mental.
BRUstrong
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Yea, like kisaj said, I don't want to come off as an a$$, but it may be worth looking into talking to a professional. If you've been suffering depression for years and nothing seems to help, you might need therapy or a prescription. I'm guessing your board name isn't just and ironic coincidence either.
sespress
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Therepy is worthwhile if it works, it's all about the therapist. If that's not helping you can try another.
You might need to also just try two weeks off of all things see if you stabilize naturally, your body might be ready and if you change the nootropics and other things up too much you might not even get the right results from them you think you should.
I personally had no luck with pharma level drugs like Xanax or various anti depressants. I eventually had to call it quits on the doctors and I tried Phenibut. Not that it is any less addictive than the benzo's but it worked better for me. I've been running it down in dose now for a year. 10% each month less, from 3-4g and I'm down to 1.5g now. My anxiety and depression has not returned.
I'm not condoning this exact plan but my point is that you might need to try different docs and if you try a supplement you should give it time to work, like a month. Some stuff as you've noticed works great at first and then not so much. Other things don't work right up front but might over a longer time.
I wish you luck man I had a hell of a time and it took me a few years to get back on track. Be safe!
M.I.D
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Theanine effects your serotonin levels much like an anti depressant does, IME they just turn off your emotions, so this would explain why its making you not care IMO
M.I.D
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This is depression unfortunately, sometimes a drug is not the magic answer
51FTY
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Yes theanine does turn off my emotions. Started taking it again. I do know many people on anti depressants. They are still depressed, and suicidal tendencies as a side effect is not good. I did lose 2 pets right before my mother. Haven't been able to get past them dying. I haven't been the same since losing any of my pets. I don't have children, so they are my kids.
M.I.D
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I have take Anti depressants and I found when I ceased use of them, my thoughts and emotions all went back to the period when I was in need and depressed.... I did eventually get over it naturally, just time and patience, that is all it took luckily
sespress
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Yeah I'll second the OxyMax, I mentioned it a few days back. it kept me from being "hangry" during a 500 calorie cut which was saying something cause I'm a cranky sob when I'm hungry lol. It is a good mood modulator.
sespress
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I feel you man we had to put down one dog recently, same feeling no kids so you make the dog a kid. I baby the other dog constantly now, like I give it double attention. Like we've mentioned before a drug doesn't always help this feeling. A mild stim sometimes does more for mood than a powerful AD drug. And they really can't totally remove loss, no drug can. It's about what gets you closest. Time will help, although it doesn't feel like that when your in tht tick of it.
Are you sleeping man? That will compound any depression. And diet too, I'm not saying go get totally fatty, but I thought ice cream helped me too even if it was only food. Some comfort dishes your mom used to make maybe? Learn how to take up one of her hobbies or interests online.
I'm probably just shooting in the dark but I feel for you and hope you find something that fits your need bro.
kisaj
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IMO, depression was there before the loss of the pets. Losing pets is very sad, but generally doesn't weigh in on a lingering sadness and lack of motivation. This likely just brought it to light as in past posts you have mentioned more about your sadness in losing your pets than your mom.
BRUstrong
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Again not being an a$$, and I could be wrong, but I think OP is a female. Not that it matters. And losing a pet is horrible. You probably can't tell from my pic, but one of the tattoos on my shoulder is a paw print from my dog Brutus who passed away from cancer when we just just 3.5. It's his real paw print too. Four years, 2 kids, and 2 dogs later and I still miss him all the time.
51FTY
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I remember you saying this before in a thread I made. I loved that. I'm glad I'm not the only one. Because I knew how hard it is for me losing pets, I got a identical looking pet, after the last time. It sure does trick the mind. I would recommend that actually.
BRUstrong
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That's crazy you say that because after we lost Brutus, my wife and I scrambled to find another dog that looked like him. It's crazy how the mind tries to cope with loss. We ended up getting a dog of the same breed who, although not identical in looks, has developed the same personality as Bru. Same mannerisms and everything. Our other dog, who we got before Brutus, is also the same breed (all puggles) and he's totally different - so it's not just a puggle thing.
I try to find strength in loss. Just look at my board name. And not just pets, humans too. I've lost all of my grandparents, most of my aunts and uncles, and a best friend growing up. I always joke with my wife that I hope she dies first. Sounds horrible, right? But it's the ones left behind that suffer. I wouldn't want her to suffer if I was gone. In all actuality, I don't know what I'd do if I lost her. So you're not alone. It takes some practice, but you'd be surprised at what you can accomplish if you can channel the pain. Turn the pain into strength. It won't happen overnight, or in a week or even a month.
But you can do it.
51FTY
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This time is was my favorite cat. Ragdolls cats are my favorite. They act like dogs and love dogs. My new cat acts just like him. If you ever lose a pet or are looking. You can search petharbor. com. It shows you all the animals in the shelters. They tried to screw me at the shelter, but I raised some hell and called animal control and got him. They said I couldn't get him.
BIOdynamik
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HAHA Nice thread. I can't advise any particular ingredients for this matter...
But when I play on speakers "I want to break free" by Queen, then my wife feels the urge to get the vacuum cleaner and sing
But when I play on speakers "I want to break free" by Queen, then my wife feels the urge to get the vacuum cleaner and sing
BIOdynamik
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Good question our neighbors got Dyson, we are using shark. It gets the work done
our neighbors got Dyson, we are using shark. It gets the work done
PoSiTiVeFLoW
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This post has aged well. Seeing the amount of "hallucinogen derived" anti-depressant treatments and services with therapy hitting the market. Yeah if you can get 'rid of the overly powerful trippy/hallucinogenic effects' (microdosing LSD Is one option) that most of us used for partying in our twenties and keep the 'dissociative benefits' of the psychedelic part... this is where the magic happens.
I definitely had some benefit from prior psylocybin magic mushroom trips back in the day, but who has time to stare at a kaleidoscope for 8 hours? In my twenties yes, now I would settle for cerebral/mindbloom services with ketamine-derived therapy session for sure.