HIT4ME
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I thought it would be worth updating this here. I JUST started another run of DCP. I ran it for 2 months last summer/fall and I am one of the people who has major stomach upset from the capsaicin I've used capsaicin as a single ingredient before and experimented pretty heavily, so I'm familiar with it, and DCP definitely has a strong dose of this ingredient. I know a lot of people seem to build up a tolerance to this ingredient and the pain goes away, but for me, the pain was consistent throughout the two month run. During that run, I found that if I dosed Orange Triad with each dose, the pain would be greatly reduced or non-existent.
One interesting thing for me is that I am actually VERY tolerant of spicy foods. I can handle capsaicin itself with no mask, gloves, etc. I've made pepper spray that makes people cough and cry from 20 feet away and I can spray it without any protection at arms length and might cough a little but nothing major. But, when I take this ingredient, I get severe gastrointestinal stress. It's kind of a paradox and I think I may have a theory.
When I take this ingredient, I typically don't feel any pain until 2-4 hours after the dose. I will feel fine, and then suddenly cramps kick in and I have bathroom emergencies and pain that won't stop. After thinking about it, I theorize that my stomach doesn't get upset by the capsaicin at all - it seems to take time and then as it moves down my digestive tract to my intestines, my intestines can't take it.
This locks in with the Orange Triad relieving issues - we have hypothesized the bromelain in the OT is alleviating the pain. Bromelain IMPROVES digestion. In other words, maybe my stomach is not effected negatively by capsaicin, but it also does not digest it very well, which means that when I take it, it passes in large quantities into my intestines and causes the issues. Bromelain increases digestion, which means I am now absorbing more of the capsaicin while in my stomach and less is getting to my intestines - so much less pain. It also may mean that people with the pain for this reason are not seeing the full results of this product.
Further, if Matt has studies showing the stomach actually thickens mucous in response to capsaicin, this may fit my theory. I am actually somewhat tolerant of capsaicin - I probably have a thick mucous lining already, and this may interfere with my digestion...allowing me to feel no pain for a couple hours but then sending a large amount of capsaicin into my intestines.
To test this, on this run I have purchased a bottle of Now Bromelain capsules and some apple cider vinegar. A couple minutes before I take my DCP dose, I've been taking 1/2 tbsp. of apple cider vinegar and a bromelain capsule. This actually has INCREASED the pain in my stomach slightly about 20 minutes after taking the dose - but no need for bathroom breaks, no emergencies, no cramping, and everything is VERY tolerable. With the first dose yesterday morning I took a full tbsp. of apple cider vinegar and that actually caused the most pain - so the apple cider vinegar may be responsible for a lot of the pain in my stomach after the dose and not the capsaicin...so I dropped it back to 1/2 tbsp. After a little while that pain goes away and I have no issues at all. It's only been two days, but bromelain/digestion seems to be a huge part of this for people experiencing pain.
One interesting thing for me is that I am actually VERY tolerant of spicy foods. I can handle capsaicin itself with no mask, gloves, etc. I've made pepper spray that makes people cough and cry from 20 feet away and I can spray it without any protection at arms length and might cough a little but nothing major. But, when I take this ingredient, I get severe gastrointestinal stress. It's kind of a paradox and I think I may have a theory.
When I take this ingredient, I typically don't feel any pain until 2-4 hours after the dose. I will feel fine, and then suddenly cramps kick in and I have bathroom emergencies and pain that won't stop. After thinking about it, I theorize that my stomach doesn't get upset by the capsaicin at all - it seems to take time and then as it moves down my digestive tract to my intestines, my intestines can't take it.
This locks in with the Orange Triad relieving issues - we have hypothesized the bromelain in the OT is alleviating the pain. Bromelain IMPROVES digestion. In other words, maybe my stomach is not effected negatively by capsaicin, but it also does not digest it very well, which means that when I take it, it passes in large quantities into my intestines and causes the issues. Bromelain increases digestion, which means I am now absorbing more of the capsaicin while in my stomach and less is getting to my intestines - so much less pain. It also may mean that people with the pain for this reason are not seeing the full results of this product.
Further, if Matt has studies showing the stomach actually thickens mucous in response to capsaicin, this may fit my theory. I am actually somewhat tolerant of capsaicin - I probably have a thick mucous lining already, and this may interfere with my digestion...allowing me to feel no pain for a couple hours but then sending a large amount of capsaicin into my intestines.
To test this, on this run I have purchased a bottle of Now Bromelain capsules and some apple cider vinegar. A couple minutes before I take my DCP dose, I've been taking 1/2 tbsp. of apple cider vinegar and a bromelain capsule. This actually has INCREASED the pain in my stomach slightly about 20 minutes after taking the dose - but no need for bathroom breaks, no emergencies, no cramping, and everything is VERY tolerable. With the first dose yesterday morning I took a full tbsp. of apple cider vinegar and that actually caused the most pain - so the apple cider vinegar may be responsible for a lot of the pain in my stomach after the dose and not the capsaicin...so I dropped it back to 1/2 tbsp. After a little while that pain goes away and I have no issues at all. It's only been two days, but bromelain/digestion seems to be a huge part of this for people experiencing pain.
