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GNO said:
I had a pint of ice cream yesterday and went to go deadlift and 3 people I see regularly complimented me on body composition.:yawn:

Then I got bitched out for making noise deadlifting :AR15firing:- almost no one deads for real at my gym :(
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Planet fitness, huh?
 
NoAddedHmones said:
You can use it, but i wouldnt. That product has multiple ingredients which inhibit absorption of nutrients.
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afaik hca and gymnema do inhibit carbohydrate absorption to some degree. hoowever, they also help with fat burning and gymnema increases insulin secretion. gh+insulin=anabolic.
also what nobody mentioned is that ghrelin has been shown to somewhat correlate to adipositas, meaning increased ghrelin could make one gain fat. i am sure you considered this when formulating or1gin to offset this but the combination could work to keep one more lean.
i don't think recompadrol would inhibit nutrient absorption to the point where it would inhibit anabolism.
a different nutrient partitioner would probably be better though.

that being said, why doesn't olympus have one in their line-up?

the best one on the market ime is burn24, however if mass gains are a priority i would look for something containing na-r-ala.
 
redman24 said:
afaik hca and gymnema do inhibit carbohydrate absorption to some degree. hoowever, they also help with fat burning and gymnema increases insulin secretion. gh+insulin=anabolic.
also what nobody mentioned is that ghrelin has been shown to somewhat correlate to adipositas, meaning increased ghrelin could make one gain fat. i am sure you considered this when formulating or1gin to offset this but the combination could work to keep one more lean.
i don't think recompadrol would inhibit nutrient absorption to the point where it would inhibit anabolism.
a different nutrient partitioner would probably be better though.

that being said, why doesn't olympus have one in their line-up?

the best one on the market ime is burn24, however if mass gains are a priority i would look for something containing na-r-ala.
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I'd love to see OL release a nutrient partitioner or GDA, one without berberine that is.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Yes. I've heard others say "it's nothing to worry about," and it may not be, but if there's a couple other ingredients that can do the job similarly then why risk it?
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Just simply working out would prevent but why take anything which would trigger that anyway:)
 
redman24 said:
afaik hca and gymnema do inhibit carbohydrate absorption to some degree. hoowever, they also help with fat burning and gymnema increases insulin secretion. gh+insulin=anabolic.
also what nobody mentioned is that ghrelin has been shown to somewhat correlate to adipositas, meaning increased ghrelin could make one gain fat. i am sure you considered this when formulating or1gin to offset this but the combination could work to keep one more lean.
i don't think recompadrol would inhibit nutrient absorption to the point where it would inhibit anabolism.
a different nutrient partitioner would probably be better though.

that being said, why doesn't olympus have one in their line-up?

the best one on the market ime is burn24, however if mass gains are a priority i would look for something containing na-r-ala.
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Burn 24 ... water for me! every time I used it!
Both in the cut, that in bulk! over the years I spent so much money!
I'm sorry.
"The Huge" what happened?
 
Danes said:
Yes :)
But the truth is if you workout (do strength training) , you would eliminate this bad effect from Berberine :)

Berberine is pretty effective stuff
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Right, but wouldn't that only matter right after your workout? On days off or the meals prior to that the ampk would have free reign, so to speak?
 
bb333 said:
Burn 24 ... water for me! every time I used it!
Both in the cut, that in bulk! over the years I spent so much money!
I'm sorry.
"The Huge" what happened?
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What happened to what? I'm sorry if you didn't like it but as you surely already know thousands of people absolutely love it.

That being said, who said we don't have something (without berberine) coming out soon for the same purpose? ;)
 
i would use:
na-r-ala
bergenin
tinospora
gynostemma
blueberry extract (aurora blue)
olive leaf

but i am sure that seems like crap to you. expensive crap :D
 
redman24 said:
why not? it's one of the most popular herbs in ayurveda and has incredible potential. do you know tinofend?
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No, I just make uneducated statements without any evidence to substantiate them :)

redman24 said:
i would use:
na-r-ala
bergenin
tinospora
gynostemma
blueberry extract (aurora blue)
olive leaf

but i am sure that seems like crap to you. expensive crap :D
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Thanks for the ideas, but we feel we have the best ingredients for the pathways we are targeting.
 
i realize your product is already being made or finished, i was just mentioning some stuff that i would use if i could make a nutrient partitioner now. just stuff that came to mind during a walk...lol
 
which mechanism is responsible for the reported leaning effects? ghrelin has been linked to fat gains and improved nutrient absorption means more available calories combined with increased appetite one could assume that some fat gains are likely to occur. what offsets this?
 
GNO said:
I had a pint of ice cream yesterday and went to go deadlift and 3 people I see regularly complimented me on body composition.:yawn:

Then I got bitched out for making noise deadlifting :AR15firing:- almost no one deads for real at my gym :(
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This the man bun's and coffee serving bearded men wearing their gf/wife's pants is why i don't train there anymore.
 
redman24 said:
which mechanism is responsible for the reported leaning effects? ghrelin has been linked to fat gains and improved nutrient absorption means more available calories combined with increased appetite one could assume that some fat gains are likely to occur. what offsets this?
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Mechanistic approach to endocrinology = Failure

It's much more complex than you'd imagine.
In obese subjects the circulating level of the anorexigenic hormone leptin is increased, whereas surprisingly, the level of the orexigenic hormone ghrelin is decreased. It is now established that obese patients are leptin-resistant.
The pathophysiological mechanism responsible for GH (a POWERFUL endogenous lipolytic hormone) hyposecretion in obesity is multifactorial, and there is a well documented defect in ghrelin secretion. Ghrelin has been extensively found to be reduced in obese humans.
 
Okay guys, I must say it seems like this stuff is actually effecting GH to some degree. Ive been waking up with tingly hands lately. This isn't just coincidence because I have woke up with numb hands 3 times in the past week.
 
doogans said:
Okay guys, I must say it seems like this stuff is actually effecting GH to some degree. Ive been waking up with tingly hands lately. This isn't just coincidence because I have woke up with numb hands 3 times in the past week.
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Awesome :)
 
so I have 5 more days left on my trenavar and iIccan'twait to start or1gin so i said screw it and I'm starting it while I'm still on trenavar, xtyler good idea or should Ihold off?
i was thinking using these 5 days before pct kind of bridge and n my body keep more of my cycle gainz.
 
xtyler said:
What happened to what? I'm sorry if you didn't like it but as you surely already know thousands of people absolutely love it.

That being said, who said we don't have something (without berberine) coming out soon for the same purpose? ;)
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"The Huge", the inventor of Burn24.
 
hamdysayed said:
so I have 5 more days left on my trenavar and iIccan'twait to start or1gin so i said screw it and I'm starting it while I'm still on trenavar, xtyler good idea or should Ihold off?
i was thinking using these 5 days before pct kind of bridge and n my body keep more of my cycle gainz.
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I see no issues with this. Proceed :)
 
I started a new workout log Invalid Link Removed and started a review on Origin I've got 16 and will be running all in a row for the next foreseeable future. . I'll be doing a review on a few other OL products that have been my staple supps for the past year. Currently im not experiencing the weight gain as others have noticed. Hunger seems to be improved a bit but is very manageable, diet is pretty strict maybe if adding some fat will help not sure but if i can hold my size with dieting its a win win.
 
WAF said:
I started a new workout log Invalid Link Removed and started a review on Origin I've got 16 and will be running all in a row for the next foreseeable future. . I'll be doing a review on a few other OL products that have been my staple supps for the past year. Currently im not experiencing the weight gain as others have noticed. Hunger seems to be improved a bit but is very manageable, diet is pretty strict maybe if adding some fat will help not sure but if i can hold my size with dieting its a win win.
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So are you currently trying to gain weight/size or to recomp? Current cals and macros?
 
I'm on origin since Friday night and what I've noticed is that I don't go that often to WC (from 3-4 times down to 1 or twice per day), no increase in hunger (apparently it's too early).
 
WAF said:
I started a new workout log Invalid Link Removed and started a review on Origin I've got 16 and will be running all in a row for the next foreseeable future. . I'll be doing a review on a few other OL products that have been my staple supps for the past year. Currently im not experiencing the weight gain as others have noticed. Hunger seems to be improved a bit but is very manageable, diet is pretty strict maybe if adding some fat will help not sure but if i can hold my size with dieting its a win win.
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16!?!?! Very jealous!
 
xtyler said:
So are you currently trying to gain weight/size or to recomp? Current cals and macros?
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I just finished a bulk now dialing down my diet with my coach more or less a recomp. I don't really expect to gain weight with the diet and Origin but would love to see how much i can retain while dropping the muffin top. Plus the added recovery for when you start to die out. With this meal program i'm also working a 14hr construction shift and hitting the gym for a couple hours a day. I will add a meal or protein bars if i feel like im hitting the wall.

1 cup black coffee
2 slices Ezekiel bread and almond butter
1cup of rice or sweet potato x6
6 0z meats chicken or beef or salmon. x6
1 cup of greens each meal has to be green veggies. x6
2-3 protein shakes (50g min)
1 handfull of almonds
1 orange
1-2 protein bars depending on how i feel in between meals and what work im doing that day.

one 6hr cheat meal a week ie you can cheat for a total of 6hrs then back to the diet. I find this helps me not make a cheal meal into a cheat day to a cheat weekend.
 
jh1 said:
16!?!?! Very jealous!
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Yah i go full potato when i buy OL products cause i know they will be worth it and those damn insider prices can't be beat...... My stash of OL is getting out of hand...or not it's all relative. lol
 
WAF said:
Yah i go full potato when i buy OL products cause i know they will be worth it and those damn insider prices can't be beat...... My stash of OL is getting out of hand...or not it's all relative. lol
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16 weeks or 16 bottles..
 
When you buy more than 12 of any product we send a lock of NewAgeMayan hair to you :)
 
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