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YoungBodyBuil said:
Yep I do 2 weeks Phenyl Piracetam then 2 weeks aniracetam and do that cycle for 2 months, aniracetem effects dopamine receptor density too im pretty sure
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It's only been a few days but does the increase in apathy (or flattened mood) from aniracetam go away eventually?
 
jarrellt67 said:
It's only been a few days but does the increase in apathy (or flattened mood) from aniracetam go away eventually?
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Not really, that is part of how it works from an anxiolytic aspect. It isn't like lithium or tianeptine, but it does make you not feel affected by things. Some people will tend to feel it more than others.
 
kisaj said:
Not really, that is part of how it works from an anxiolytic aspect. It isn't like lithium or tianeptine, but it does make you not feel affected by things. Some people will tend to feel it more than others.
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So, for someone with pretty bad depression issues maybe it's not the best choice for anxiety?
 
It would not be something I would recommend, but I am not familiar with depression. Aniracetam is an amazing anxiolytic, but can feel deadening and some mistake this for making them lazy, so if depression is in play, maybe best to avoid.
 
kisaj said:
It would not be something I would recommend, but I am not familiar with depression. Aniracetam is an amazing anxiolytic, but can feel deadening and some mistake this for making them lazy, so if depression is in play, maybe best to avoid.
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You're right, it is an amazing anxiolytic. I'm still taking 1500 mg/day and have zero anxiety in social situations. It seems to be better than even phenibut...especially since it doesn't make me sleepy or foggy. Maybe it's just a coincidence but I added high dha fish oil with it a couple days ago and mood flattening effects have decreased a lot. Mainly enjoy the mood stabilizing effect though. The lack of irritability right now is great. It even negates the irritability or increase in anxiety from caffeine.
 
Hey guys, so I just ordered myself a very large bottle of capped Tianeptine Sulfate (the extended release version). I'll be giving this a proper trial very soon and will let everyone know what I think.

I've also ordered some Emoxypine and Noopept to try out. But I'm not sure if I will keep these separate for now.
 
Anyone know where I can get capped Tianeptine sodium version? I already have capped sulfate, but also looking for a source the sodium version. PM if thats better.
 
ELROCK said:
Anyone know where I can get capped Tianeptine sodium version? I already have capped sulfate, but also looking for a source the sodium version. PM if thats better.
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I've only seen Stablon tabs (blister packs) sold in Europe, never capped versions domestically
 
ELROCK said:
Gutterpump

What noots should we stay away from while using tianeptine?
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Not sure, I'll let you know soon! Lol

I'm trying out noopept at times alongside it as well as Emoxypine. Noopept increases certain things in the brain similarly to Tianeptine (I forget off hand). I'll be trying phenyl piracitam soon too, but noopept is stronger.

Emoxypine will increase dopamine, but also lowers anxiety.

I'm also using phenibut at night now, eod. I'll let people know if I run into any problems.
 
Btw, my trial with Tianeptine sulfate caps has started a couple days ago. Using 100mg/day. 75mg in AM, 25mg in afternoon.
 
25 mg of Tianeptine sodium in the am has been working really well for me. It has a strong mood brightening effect along side a nice boost in energy. Eventually, I will add another afternoon dose of 12.5 or 25 mg.

I have a large 180 count 25 mg tianeptine sulfate on the way to try and nail down the best dosing scheme for me (using the least amount possible).
 
I bet this stuff would be golden for getting you out of a hangover! Anyone tried dosing after a lil too much to drink the night before?
 
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Gutterpump said:
Not sure, I'll let you know soon! Lol

I'm trying out noopept at times alongside it as well as Emoxypine. Noopept increases certain things in the brain similarly to Tianeptine (I forget off hand). I'll be trying phenyl piracitam soon too, but noopept is stronger.

Emoxypine will increase dopamine, but also lowers anxiety.

I'm also using phenibut at night now, eod. I'll let people know if I run into any problems.
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I was curious because I remember you posting something about how it doesn't work well with some noots. Yesterday I had tianeptine in my system and took a pre-w/o that has a bunch of random ingredients in it and it wrecked my workout. I felt nauseous, slight headache and just felt off. The product was Get Diesel'sReady 4 War it has a kitchen sink full of noots and stims (bad idea).

I think tianeptine will work nicely with things like agmatine, caffeine, aniracetam, selank, semax, theanine, and phenylpiracetam. I am not going to add any of those into the mix until I give tianeptine a full run. I have been using it for a week now and so far really enjoying it.
 
Oh I think I was saying it's not good to take Tianeptine alongside prami as I was doing before. Big time nausea. Nootropic wise though, I'm not sure.
 
ELROCK said:
I was curious because I remember you posting something about how it doesn't work well with some noots. Yesterday I had tianeptine in my system and took a pre-w/o that has a bunch of random ingredients in it and it wrecked my workout. I felt nauseous, slight headache and just felt off. The product was Get Diesel'sReady 4 War it has a kitchen sink full of noots and stims (bad idea).

I think tianeptine will work nicely with things like agmatine, caffeine, aniracetam, selank, semax, theanine, and phenylpiracetam. I am not going to add any of those into the mix until I give tianeptine a full run. I have been using it for a week now and so far really enjoying it.
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It does work well with aniracetam (which seems to enhance the mood improvements while reducing the stimulation). Have tried it a few times so far.
 
I've tried Tianeptine alongside deprenyl but it eventually made me feel weird, spatially disoriented at times, kind of a dizzy feeling but different.
 
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Gutterpump said:
Hey guys, so I just ordered myself a very large bottle of capped Tianeptine Sulfate (the extended release version). I'll be giving this a proper trial very soon and will let everyone know what I think.

I've also ordered some Emoxypine and Noopept to try out. But I'm not sure if I will keep these separate for now.
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Honestly I am not a big fan of Noopept. It gives good focus, but memory issues definitely set in for me. A lot of Noot guys love Noopept so maybe that's just me. I wouldn't want to add that to tianeptine because if you guys mentioning that is also a side effect of it. But, as you very well know noots can effect people vastly differently. Keep us posted and I will continue to post my experience with it and what I eventually add into the mix.
 
Gutterpump said:
Interesting. I've read that noopept is supposed to improve memory (storage and recall).
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When it's in your system it seems to, but when it's wearying off I would become pretty forgetful. Give it a try and see how you react to it cause like I said a lot of guys I know like Noopept.
 
Hi guys, so it's only been 3 days, but so far the Tianeptine Sulfate caps have worked as expected. Emoxypine has also been a great adjunct to it. No negative effects.

Emoxypine is an anxiolytic nootropic with anticonvulsant, neuroprotective and anti-inflammatory actions. I got it since it seemed like a nice adjunct to tianeptine, and for it's anti-inflammatory & lipid effects. It's also a very potent anti-oxidant, like a MUCH stronger NAC. It also lowers cholesterol levels, has cardioprotective and antiatherosclerotic action.

Emoxypine increases the binding capacity of benzodiazepine, GABA, acetylcholine receptors.
It also increases levels of dopamine in the brain. Really good stuff...

I recently went through a bad breakup with someone I was living with. Had to kick her out. So far these have kept me calm, motivated & very positive.
 
ELROCK said:
When it's in your system it seems to, but when it's wearying off I would become pretty forgetful. Give it a try and see how you react to it cause like I said a lot of guys I know like Noopept.
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Very interesting comment here. I have been taking noopept for about 8 months now, cycling every 2 months and during the 2-3 week "clean out" period, I have noticed that I make dumb mistakes related to memory that I normally would not. Did not really correlate the timing until recently and your comment makes me question this even more. I may drop it and see how things improve over time.
 
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kisaj - how often have you been dosing it during that time? Daily? Multiple times daily?

I only plan on using it during "crunch times" at work. Maybe once a week or so, in times of need. This Tianeptine/Emoxypine combo has me doing great already though. I had a big meeting today with the VP of Communications at my company and was 120% on the ball. Never searched for words, wasn't anxious, super confident and everything flowed well (and I get anxiety speaking in front of groups of people but was fine). I may not even need the noopept now I'm thinking.
 
I only have 30mg caps. I've tried it once sublingually, but I was just sitting around at home, so it wasn't really put to good use
 
Gutterpump said:
I only have 30mg caps. I've tried it once sublingually, but I was just sitting around at home, so it wasn't really put to good use
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That's a big dose of Noopept! Sublingual Noopept worked better for me then the oral tabs meaning I only needed 10mg vs 20 mg. You may want to break that in half and start at 15 mg sublingually IMO.
 
ELROCK said:
That's a big dose of Noopept! Sublingual Noopept worked better for me then the oral tabs meaning I only needed 10mg vs 20 mg. You may want to break that in half and start at 15 mg sublingually IMO.
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I didn't notice much from it at 30mg sublingually tbh but I was just hanging out cleaning and watching American Horror Story. I'll try it again while doing some design work and see how focused/creative I get.
 
SO I tried out 15mg of noopept sublingually this evening while doing a lot of work. I don't think I'm getting anything out of this. I didn't 'feel' anything after 30mg sublingually as well. Either I'm a non-responder (and yes I'm taking a choline source - Alpha-GPC), or the tianeptine sulfate/emoxypine combo already has me primed. Happy that I only purchased a very small bottle of the 30mg caps.

I'll be trying out phenylpiracetam next.
 
So I have tianeptine from three different companies and I can confidently say that powder city's quality is dog poop! Stay away from their tianeptine.

*possibly a bad batch, but I won't be ordering from them again to see.
 
ELROCK said:
So I have tianeptine from three different companies and I can confidently say that powder city's quality is dog poop! Stay away from their tianeptine.

*possibly a bad batch, but I won't be ordering from them again to see.
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Hmmm, I have reported my experiences with tianeptine and stated that it seemed to work ok at first but then I disliked the feel over time. I used PC both times, so I wonder if using another brand would be worth a shot. I am liking what I am reading here.
 
ELROCK said:
So I have tianeptine from three different companies and I can confidently say that powder city's quality is dog poop! Stay away from their tianeptine.

*possibly a bad batch, but I won't be ordering from them again to see.
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I've always used Ceretropics and Nootropics Depot and their quality has always been spot on
 
Also some inside info: Ceretropics and Nootropics Depot are sister companies. Their powders are the same but you can get capped powders at Nootropics Depot
 
kisaj said:
Hmmm, I have reported my experiences with tianeptine and stated that it seemed to work ok at first but then I disliked the feel over time. I used PC both times, so I wonder if using another brand would be worth a shot. I am liking what I am reading here.
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With respect to powder city, I need to state that that is where I first purchased tianeptine a year ago. Their product sat in my cabinet until yesterday (a year later). I am not sure the shelf life on tianeptine so maybe that caused it to lose its potency. The other two companies that I got tianeptine from were recently purchased.

Either way the other companies product is significantly better so I won't even bother with powder city anymore.
 
ELROCK said:
How are things going Gutterpump
And jarrellt67
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Aniracetam is still amazing for reducing anxiety. Added tianeptine sulfate back in a couple days ago (for the extra energy this time since that's one of the main effects I noticed before). Still get mood improvements but no added energy/anxiety this time at 50 mg in the morning. So, either the aniracetam is blocking the anxiety effects I got before or the sleep deprivation I'm currently experiencing (newborn son) is overpowering that effect. Realy like taking the 50 mg with coffee first thing in the morning and the aniracetam split during the day (with meals).
 
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jarrellt67 said:
Aniracetam is still amazing for reducing anxiety. Added tianeptine sulfate back in a couple days ago (for the extra energy this time since that's one of the main effects I noticed before). Still get mood improvements but no added energy/anxiety this time at 50 mg in the morning. So, either the aniracetam is blocking the anxiety effects I got before or the sleep deprivation I'm currently experiencing (newborn son) is overpowering that effect. Realy like taking the 50 mg with coffee first thing in the morning and the aniracetam split during the day (with meals).
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Sounds good man keep us posted.

I have a newborn too so I fully understand the sleep deprivation part lol but it's such an amazing thing to watch his growth! My little man is 4 month today. How old is yours?
 
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Gutterpump said:
Everything is going great with the tianeptine sulfate and emoxypine. I might start adding in some phenibut at night but at a low dose because emoxypine increase gaba's binding capactity.
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I can't take Phenibut it leaves me with a pretty bad hangover the next morning. It is good for killing anxiety and putting you in a relaxed state. Just make sure not to make Phenibut a habit.

Are you able to run your tianeptine at lower doses now with emoxypine in the mix or not really?
 
ELROCK said:
Sounds good man keep us posted.

I have a newborn too so I fully understand the sleep deprivation part lol but it's such an amazing thing to watch his growth! My little man is 4 month today. How old is yours?
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He is great...holding him is better than any antidepressant. Brings a smile to my face every time. He's only 2 weeks old. Also have a 3 year old son.
 
ELROCK said:
I can't take Phenibut it leaves me with a pretty bad hangover the next morning. It is good for killing anxiety and putting you in a relaxed state. Just make sure not to make Phenibut a habit.

Are you able to run your tianeptine at lower doses now with emoxypine in the mix or not really?
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Well the thing is, I've never really responded to a typical dose of Tianeptine. I've always needed about 75-100mg daily even when using the sodium version longterm. I haven't noticed a stronger effect from the combo though. I had been sleep deprived and lately I've been sleeping a lot more, so let's see how things go. Maybe I'll get a lot more energy out of this mix as my sleep improves overtime.
 
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