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Donald Trump running for president

How about flip it and prove its no longer an issue? You have several hundred years of history showing otherwise.

I said it's not a legitimate issue, racism is on such a small scale that it can't be dealt with government any intervention, not that it helps generally. Read this article d you want to Invalid Link Removed =670847&ObjectType=55
 
It's come down to this because we've accepted this via denial, minimization, and rationalization. It's not even lesser of two evils at this point; it's just so the other person doesn't win.

I have to disagree here. It truly is the lesser of 2 evils. Trump is a cartoon character, who has shown a great deal of Islamophobia (rightfully or wrongfully) as well as saying things that no other candidate has ever stated or would state. On the flip side, HRC legitimately should be in prison based on her email "snafu" as well as the conflict of interest with the foundation.

In essence, which poison pill do you want to swallow? Personally, neither. I cannot stand either candidate and am embarrassed that these are the choices were have given the youth voters. There had to be better options. I would say Johnson is a better option, and I am voting for him, but I know the wont win. Stein, IMO is not a better option but that is an issue of policy preference.
 
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Ok....? You realize that racism goes far beyond just one race, right?

Again, several hundred years of history showing that race has been an issue and now it's all of a sudden not?
 
Never meant it doesn't exist but prove to me it's a legitimate issue if you can.

Seriously?

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I literally conducted a single phrase Google Scholar search and found those. A single phrase yielded several million results. If I altered search terms and conducted a broader spectrum search it would have reveled more as well. If I had been more specific in my search (as identified below), I would have found even more. In any case, "proof" is not something you can apply in these cases - science does not prove anything. "Proof only exists in mathematics and logic, whereas science is empirical and deals with nature as it exists" - Invalid Link Removed

Look at the racial issues identified within giving out the death penalty:

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The evidence is there, whether you think so or not.
 
I have to disagree here. It truly is the lesser of 2 evils. Trump is a cartoon character, who has shown a great deal of Islamophobia (rightfully or wrongfully) as well as saying things that no other candidate has ever stated or would state. On the flip side, HRC legitimately should be in prison based on her email "snafu" as well as the conflict of interest with the foundation.

In essence, which poison pill do you want to swallow? Personally, neither. I cannot stand either candidate and am embarrassed that these are the choices were have given the youth voters. There had to be better options. I would say Johnson is a better option, and I am voting for him, but I know the wont win. Stein, IMO is not a better option but that is an issue of policy preference.
Trump has lots of conflicts of interest with his "foundation" as well. Not to mention the fact that he lies ALL THE TIME.

Gary Johnson is an idiot too, IMO. There are no good candidates at all.
 
Ok....? You realize that racism goes far beyond just one race, right?

Again, several hundred years of history showing that race has been an issue and now it's all of a sudden not?

What are we talking about here, racism generally or within the US? On a broader scale racism still isn't the issue, ideological supremacy is.
 
Trump has lots of conflicts of interest with his "foundation" as well. Not to mention the fact that he lies ALL THE TIME.

Gary Johnson is an idiot too, IMO. There are no good candidates at all.
agree on all counts. The only difference is that Trump did not have a government position that was misused.

The one bonus for Johnson, is that he acknowledges what he doesn't know and has stated his desire to get better. Personally, the best option of the 4
 
What are we talking about here, racism generally or within the US? On a broader scale racism still isn't the issue, ideological supremacy is.

If you would've been paying attention, you would know I've been speaking about US history.

How is "ideological supremacy" any different than any other form of discrimination?
 
If you would've been paying attention, you would know I've been speaking about US history.

How is "ideological supremacy" any different than any other form of discrimination?

No difference besides the reasoning for discriminating which needs to be differentiated since one is a legitimate issue and the other isn't. I am paying attention, you said history not US history.
 
Do I really need to review the history of race relations in this country from the beginning? You know, the one that starts with immigrants coming in and taking land from natives, morphs into an entire race of people counting as 3/5 of a person, reconstruction, Jim Crow, etc.

Honest question, do you think racism doesn't exist?

No difference besides the reasoning for discriminating which needs to be differentiated since one is a legitimate issue and the other isn't. I am paying attention, you said history not US history.

Just saying....

No difference, but needs to be differentiated? What kind of mental gymnastics are doing to dilute yourself to this level?
 
No difference besides the reasoning for discriminating which needs to be differentiated since one is a legitimate issue and the other isn't. I am paying attention, you said history not US history.

Oh my ****ing god stop with the freshman level philosophy bull**** already!!! Racism is a legitimate issue. Always has been, always will be. What utpoia do you live in where it isn't?
 
Just saying....

No difference, but needs to be differentiated? What kind of mental gymnastics are doing to dilute yourself to this level?

The outcome is the same but if an issue needs to be tackled, it would be ideological supremacy not racism.
 
Oh my ****ing god stop with the freshman level philosophy bull**** already!!! Racism is a legitimate issue. Always has been, always will be. What utpoia do you live in where it isn't?

I live in a world where hurtful words aren't a legitimate issue only violent actions.
 
Is anyone going to explain how racism is a issue now within the US? I've made my stance clearly yet no one else has any relevant information...
 
I live in a world where hurtful words aren't a legitimate issue only violent actions.

You live in a fantasy world. You've skirted over everything presented to you.

So, one more ****ing time, when did racism stop being an issue in the United Stated?
 
Since you're familiar with ad hominem, then where's something to back your claim of racism not being prevalent?

You can't prove there is no issue when there is no proof that the issue exists. Not to derail this but it's like trying to prove God doesn't exists when there is no proof he exists.
 
You can't prove there is no issue when there is no proof that the issue exists. Not to derail this but it's like trying to prove God doesn't exists when there is no proof he exists.
Explain this. This is only one aspect, but it still points to a problem.

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Explain this. This is only one aspect, but it still points to a problem.

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Well I know minimum wage effects minorities so that's a given, mostly young black males but that still doesn't prove that there are racial tendencies unless you can prove everyone wanting 15 minimum wage is racist.

Plus there is also what they choose to major in college or what trade they choose. Also welfare is also proven to actually hurt the majority of people on it because it makes people more dependent on government for essentials therefore less people on welfare will choose to work.
 
Well I know minimum wage effects minorities so that's a given, mostly young black males but that still doesn't prove that there are racial tendencies unless you can prove everyone wanting 15 minimum wage is racist.

Plus there is also what they choose to major in college or what trade they choose. Also welfare is also proven to actually hurt the majority of people on it because it makes people more dependent on government for essentials therefore less people on welfare will choose to work.


Dude, did you even read the study?

"However, looking just at those with a bachelor’s degree or more education, wage gaps by gender, race and ethnicity persist. College-educated black and Hispanic men earn roughly 80% the hourly wages of white college educated men ($25 and $26 vs. $32, respectively). White and Asian college-educated women also earn roughly 80% the hourly wages of white college-educated men ($25 and $27, respectively). However, black and Hispanic women with a college degree earn only about 70% the hourly wages of similarly educated white men ($23 and $22, respectively). As with workers overall, college-educated Asian men out-earn college-educated white men by about $3 per hour of work.

What contributes to these persistent wage gaps? Research shows that a majority of each of these gaps can be explained by differences in education, labor force experience, occupation or industry and other measurable factors.

For example,*NBER researchers Francine Blau and Lawerence Kahn*found that education and workforce experience accounted for 8% of the total gender wage gap in 2010, while industry and occupation explained 51% of the difference. When it comes to race, sociologists*Eric Grodsky and Devah Pager*found that education and workforce experience accounted for 52% of the wage gap between black and white men working in the public sector in 1990, and that adding occupational differences explained approximately 20% of the wage gap. And*NBER researcher Roland Fryerfound that for one group of adults in their 40s, controlling for standardized-test scores reduced the wage gap between black men and white men in 2006 by roughly 70%.

The remaining gaps not explained by these concrete factors are often attributed, at least in part, to discrimination."
 
Dude, did you even read the study?

"However, looking just at those with a bachelor’s degree or more education, wage gaps by gender, race and ethnicity persist. College-educated black and Hispanic men earn roughly 80% the hourly wages of white college educated men ($25 and $26 vs. $32, respectively). White and Asian college-educated women also earn roughly 80% the hourly wages of white college-educated men ($25 and $27, respectively). However, black and Hispanic women with a college degree earn only about 70% the hourly wages of similarly educated white men ($23 and $22, respectively). As with workers overall, college-educated Asian men out-earn college-educated white men by about $3 per hour of work.

What contributes to these persistent wage gaps? Research shows that a majority of each of these gaps can be explained by differences in education, labor force experience, occupation or industry and other measurable factors.

For example,*NBER researchers Francine Blau and Lawerence Kahn*found that education and workforce experience accounted for 8% of the total gender wage gap in 2010, while industry and occupation explained 51% of the difference. When it comes to race, sociologists*Eric Grodsky and Devah Pager*found that education and workforce experience accounted for 52% of the wage gap between black and white men working in the public sector in 1990, and that adding occupational differences explained approximately 20% of the wage gap. And*NBER researcher Roland Fryerfound that for one group of adults in their 40s, controlling for standardized-test scores reduced the wage gap between black men and white men in 2006 by roughly 70%.

The remaining gaps not explained by these concrete factors are often attributed, at least in part, to discrimination."

Correct me if I'm wrong but does this only focuses on the public sector? I honestly just skimmed it the first time lol.
 
Just reread it, besides what you posted the rest is all based on perception not fact. Also it doesn't show what these people choose to do in college plus they don't mention trade schools, if there is little demand in the market for a job there will be less employment which would have people look for more people with experience.
 
Just reread it, besides what you posted the rest is all based on perception not fact. Also it doesn't show what these people choose to do in college plus they don't mention trade schools, if there is little demand in the market for a job there will be less employment which would have people look for more people with experience.
So, are you one of those people who discounts social science research as all anecdotal?

How do you expect to find hard evidence of social phenomena?
 
You can't prove there is no issue when there is no proof that the issue exists. Not to derail this but it's like trying to prove God doesn't exists when there is no proof he exists.

You're saying there's not an issue. Where's your evidence? You've had data presented to you showing otherwise yet you haven't produced anything to support your position.

Sorry, but using a deity is not the same. You can objectively and quantitatively measure this.
 
So, are you one of those people who discounts social science research as all anecdotal?

How do you expect to find hard evidence of social phenomena?

I need hard evidence looking at it from all angles for it to be a fact. Everything else is just information.
 
Is anyone going to explain how racism is a issue now within the US? I've made my stance clearly yet no one else has any relevant information...

Seriously?

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I literally conducted a single phrase Google Scholar search and found those. A single phrase yielded several million results. If I altered search terms and conducted a broader spectrum search it would have reveled more as well. If I had been more specific in my search (as identified below), I would have found even more. In any case, "proof" is not something you can apply in these cases - science does not prove anything. "Proof only exists in mathematics and logic, whereas science is empirical and deals with nature as it exists" - Invalid Link Removed

Look at the racial issues identified within giving out the death penalty:

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The evidence is there, whether you think so or not.

Read those ^^^
 
I need hard evidence looking at it from all angles for it to be a fact. Everything else is just information.
What do you consider "hard evidence"?

I think you have unreasonable expectations and an extreme bias against anything that doesn't fit your worldview.
 
You're saying there's not an issue. Where's your evidence? You've had data presented to you showing otherwise yet you haven't produced anything to support your position.

Sorry, but using a deity is not the same. You can objectively and quantitatively measure this.

There is no data proving ANYTHING has racial tendencies behind it, there is no way. How can someone prove something has racial tendencies behind it? The data provided shows a gap within the wages but doesn't go in depth with the issue. Even if said employers have racial tendencies, how can this be proven?
 
Is anyone going to explain how racism is a issue now within the US? I've made my stance clearly yet no one else has any relevant information...

I need hard evidence looking at it from all angles for it to be a fact. Everything else is just information.

Everything is just information, i'm honestly not sure even you understand what you are saying. There are plenty of studies out there; here are more:

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The above paper details racially motivated hate crime in the US.

Here is another about vracially motivated violence when minorities enter predominantly white neighbourhoods:

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And more based on 20 years of reported data

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Remember this - this is a social science issue and so you cannot prove something exists, all you can do is observe. But if one believes racism is not an issue, i've got some bad news for you...
 
There is no data proving ANYTHING has racial tendencies behind it, there is no way. How can someone prove something has racial tendencies behind it? The data provided shows a gap within the wages but doesn't go in depth with the issue. Even if said employers have racial tendencies, how can this be proven?

Stop skipping over my posts and read the papers i've presented. And stop asking for proof - you cannot prove anything that is not mathematics or logic.
 
What do you consider "hard evidence"?

I think you have unreasonable expectations and an extreme bias against anything that doesn't fit your worldview.

The data must include individual backgrounds and biases. My uncle claimed he was discriminated and he is a huge racist, extremely bias, and a irrational human overall. I have no bias.
 
The data must include individual backgrounds and biases. My uncle claimed he was discriminated and he is a huge racist, extremely bias, and a irrational human overall. I have no bias.

That's impossible IMO. Noone is bias free. All you can do is recognize the biases that exist, and keep them in mind when analyzing information.

Did you ever think that your experiences with your uncle created an unconscious bias that predisposes you to not believe anything that confirms his claims?
 
The data must include individual backgrounds and biases. My uncle claimed he was discriminated and he is a huge racist, extremely bias, and a irrational human overall. I have no bias.

You're hopeless and a perfect example of why nothing gets done about this.
 
Your logical fallacy is: Argument from incredulity

The argument from incredulity is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone decides that something did not happen, because they cannot personally understand how it could happen. The fallacy is an argument from ignorance and an informal fallacy.
 
Stop skipping over my posts and read the papers i've presented. And stop asking for proof - you cannot prove anything that is not mathematics or logic.

Why even bother giving this idiot the time of day though. Wasted efforts / time. Idiots will be idiotic.
 
Willed ignorance fits as well. As does Argument of ignorance. Love logical fallacies
 
Trump has been claiming that birther crap for five years. Just saying. Most African Africans see that as a very racist thing.

Besides, I think alot of the racist stuff had come up not because Obama started it, but because he was a black man who was elected president.

Thats the excuse. Now if and when Hitlery wins people that criticize her policies your a sexist.

Its not racist to question someone's birth certificate, especially when YOU post high tech experts that state that even they cant even confirm if its real or not. If African Americans think its racist, then they are really the racists. Questioning the birth certificate isnt even a "white thing." There are plenty of African Americans including ones I know personally that think he is indonesian, kenyan or its just a cover up about his past.

Personally, I say Obama doesnt even deserve to be labeled a human.
 
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I'm try to communicate with 3 people and read what is posted, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings by missing your post. I'll go back to find it, anyways everyone is misinterpreting my stance so I'll reword it. Racism is a issue BUT not a legitimate issue. It can only be solved on a individual level with growth of knowledge. This post shows that racism is still a issue but it has declined over 20 years which basically states how Us culture has changed since the 1900s.

There is more in depth behind racism which can be pinpointed as a legitimate issue.
 
Stop skipping over my posts and read the papers i've presented. And stop asking for proof - you cannot prove anything that is not mathematics or logic.

I actually was reading it but I had no clue who posted it, I can only do things so fast lol.
 
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