EvoMuse DCP Writeup

My dcp still hasnt arrived it was shipped 15 july :-(

Anyone else overseas/australia yet to receive it? Usps is generally slow
 
Is the tracking number updating?
 
It just says shipment info sent to usps nothing else. Its first class international and says at the bottom tracking not available
 
aver4581 said:
My dcp still hasnt arrived it was shipped 15 july :-(

Anyone else overseas/australia yet to receive it? Usps is generally slow
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are you metro? took just over 4 weeks for mine to arrive man, i live in brissy.

Its slow yeah but im just glad hes willing to ship to aus for a decent price! *cough NP theripoffcnts cough*
 
aver4581 said:
Yeah close to sydney city about 10km away. Did your tracking ever update?
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nope and i even did the online register thing with my auspost account to email me when it has a status change lol

sometimes with USPS you get updates once it arrives in aus (outside customs) but by then its usually at your door in 1-2 days anyway.
 
How is progress for DCP for all of you so far, i am on day 8 and feeling much warmer during workouts and in general throughout day.
 
paul56778 said:
How is progress for DCP for all of you so far, i am on day 8 and feeling much warmer during workouts and in general throughout day.
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Honestly it is hard for me to say, BUT I'm far into a very extreme diet and things have slowed quite a bit. When I started DCP for about 2 weeks I felt like I was suddenly cruising and the weight started coming off again, now I've hit another wall. But, I feel heat from it, and it seems to be making things slow but fairly predictable.

As far as the pain, I was going to buy gut health but it sold out on my last order. I picked up a decent looking probiotic to take with the Orange Triad. The OT definitely helped take the pain from unbearable to mostly gone and bearable when it did happen. Adding in the probiotic made all of the pain just go away, and did so quickly ...only been on it for 3 days and no pain or discomfort at all.
 
I've never experienced pain on DCP. On a couple of occassions I had a short bout of heartburn, but it wasn't terrible and didn't last long. I mostly take DCP on an empty stomache, but try to follow with lots of water.
 
Kaprice said:
I've never experienced pain on DCP. On a couple of occassions I had a short bout of heartburn, but it wasn't terrible and didn't last long. I mostly take DCP on an empty stomache, but try to follow with lots of water.
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i experienced some really bad pain today day i took 3dcp caps with 2 squirts brite and 2caps of shift on an empty stomach. then about 30min later ate some fish tacos. Then after that i was on my knees in pain sweating profusely lol. Im pretty sure the problem was the fish tacos and excessive salsa.
 
Or ODing on the DCP. The recommendation is 2 at a time.
 
josun said:
i experienced some really bad pain today day i took 3dcp caps with 2 squirts brite and 2caps of shift on an empty stomach. then about 30min later ate some fish tacos. Then after that i was on my knees in pain sweating profusely lol. Im pretty sure the problem was the fish tacos and excessive salsa.
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The pain you describe sounds like the capsaicin pain I have experienced.
 
Kaprice said:
I've never experienced pain on DCP. On a couple of occassions I had a short bout of heartburn, but it wasn't terrible and didn't last long. I mostly take DCP on an empty stomache, but try to follow with lots of water.
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Feeling left out that you haven't experienced the pain???? Take 2 dcp caps with about 4oz water lol. Then let us know how u feel
 
I've wanted to try metabolic rebirth for a long time....wish I could get some.
 
dsade you gave us a bunch of cutting edge fat loss products and now that the fat is gone we need to lean bulk =) bring on the bulking stacks...

Seriously i only bought 3 bottles of DCP because i knew i didnt need to cut for a long long time.
 
tstak said:
dsade you gave us a bunch of cutting edge fat loss products and now that the fat is gone we need to lean bulk =) bring on the bulking stacks...

Seriously i only bought 3 bottles of DCP because i knew i didnt need to cut for a long long time.
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I would also like to see another muscle builder!
 
Have you guys used BMP? Seems like that and Myo would be an awesome building stack. I've got some BMP I am saving for the transition after my dieting goals have been reached...yo try to help gain some muscle while avoiding fat gain.
 
dsade hey man have you done anything with epicatechin? Epi-Plex and Ep1c are probably the best natural supps i have ever used, stuff is amazing.

or any plans to look at a epi containing product?
 
dsade said:
Depends on the size of the area and how many areas you're applying to. Generally the 6 ounce bottles hold about 60 applications.

I wish I was independently wealthy, and you would see me doing this strictly for the love of it, but most of the products in my line have a maximum of about 25% profit margin. I keep the margins low because I'd rather make much less money than offer ****ty product.

Most of the company's products that you see out there are rolling 100-150% profit margin - which is reflected in the crappy quality and complete lack of innovation. $54.99 rolls in at about $9 an ounce. I'm considering making this into an 8 ounce bottle (I can only afford one size, so need some votes here) and it would come in at about $69 - but I know a lot of people will see that and freak out.

So...keep the 6 ounce size at $55 or roll out the 8 ounce size at $70?

(just realized this is supposed to be a DCP thread. Damn.)
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Give me a few days to see how long my bottle lasts. If 6 oz lasts 45-60 days I'd say keep it there.
 
scump said:
dsade hey man have you done anything with epicatechin? Epi-Plex and Ep1c are probably the best natural supps i have ever used, stuff is amazing.

or any plans to look at a epi containing product?
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Evomuse was literally the first supp company using (-)-epicatechin in Myosynergy.
 
HIT4ME said:
Have you guys used BMP? Seems like that and Myo would be an awesome building stack. I've got some BMP I am saving for the transition after my dieting goals have been reached...yo try to help gain some muscle while avoiding fat gain.
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Using BMP now while loosely cutting. I have 5 months worth so half will be used to lose and half to gain before restocking.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Using BMP now while loosely cutting. I have 5 months worth so half will be used to lose and half to gain before restocking.
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What do you think of it, my expectations are high...
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Evomuse was literally the first supp company using (-)-epicatechin in Myosynergy.
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ah cheers, i noticed myosynergy elite on his shopify sold out and it mentioning follistatin/myostatin and hoping he had done some stuff with epi. Curious to see if he plans on re-releasing or doing another epi based product.
 
HIT4ME said:
What do you think of it, my expectations are high...
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I used the old stuff and the normal dose of 2/2/2 (6 total), ate like complete crap (no calorie counting, barely any bro foods, only looking for max protein amount) and I didn't get fat. It's definitely good at "controlling damage", and the new vanillean components should lead to it being more useful in a caloric deficit.

Disclaimer: My maintenance calories are normally high anyway, I do intermittent fasting (and I've never had a problem with carb tolerance/insulin sensitivity) and I'm usually 12-15% body fat.
 
paul56778 said:
How are you all getting on with DCP for cutting?
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Check out my log. I've been running for about 3 weeks. If you asked me on Saturday I would have told you I was a little disappointed with it. I hit 176.5 on 8/5 and just hit a new low on Friday or Saturday of 175. Two+ weeks and only 1.5 pounds down and I am eating around 800 cals a day so it doesnt get much more extreme.

Then, I took photos yesterday. The photos speak for themselves, IMO. I am taking DCP, Brite, Sup3r-PCT, Nolva, and IDL's beta fat burner. The beta fat burner has a DMHA, Forskolin, green coffee bean, etc. Stuff that ive used before and know what they do to me. It is more for energy and appetite and I don't really think the fat loss itself will be that accelerated from the beta pill. It is great for energy and appetite though.

I credit the DCP and Brite with the fairly dramatic visual difference. It isn't scientific given all the stuff I am taking, but the DCP was the bug add in over those two weeks and the results, IMO, are visually more impactful than I've seen in any of the two week photos before that. That speaks volumes since I've been on an extreme diet for 14-15 weeks now. DCP works, don't know what the deal is with the scale, but it is only one tool.

ma70 said:
I used the old stuff and the normal dose of 2/2/2 (6 total), ate like complete crap (no calorie counting, barely any bro foods, only looking for max protein amount) and I didn't get fat. It's definitely good at "controlling damage", and the new vanillean components should lead to it being more useful in a caloric deficit.

Disclaimer: My maintenance calories are normally high anyway, I do intermittent fasting (and I've never had a problem with carb tolerance/insulin sensitivity) and I'm usually 12-15% body fat.
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Yes, I am noticing this same thing and then some with DCP. I was asking about BMP, sorry for not being more clear. But your review is still very helpful. I know you are pretty conservative about making supements claims, so for you to say that carries some weight with me and confirms my thoughts.
 
Oh, I misread then.

Did both an 8 week and 12 week run of BMP (separated by a month or so). Seemed like I could eat slightly higher than maintenance calories and not gain body fat (maybe 200-300 calories, not talking a huge difference), and during the workouts themselves, I noticed an increase in "strength-endurance" (example: stuff I did for 5 reps I could do for maybe 6-7, but 1RM strength barely effected). Also, randomly felt weird on some days when I took caffeine pre-workout with it but maybe that is attributed to the Salidrosides in it.
 
ma70 said:
Oh, I misread then.

Did both an 8 week and 12 week run of BMP (separated by a month or so). Seemed like I could eat slightly higher than maintenance calories and not gain body fat (maybe 200-300 calories, not talking a huge difference), and during the workouts themselves, I noticed an increase in "strength-endurance" (example: stuff I did for 5 reps I could do for maybe 6-7, but 1RM strength barely effected). Also, randomly felt weird on some days when I took caffeine pre-workout with it but maybe that is attributed to the Salidrosides in it.
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I feel weird on BMP sometimes too, but honestly wasn't sure if it was that or Epitome since I started them at the same time.
 
I think he is referring to the issue that all of the drug companies that were researching PPAR drugs backed out of their research after a bunch of the drugs activating this pathway showed they "riddled" the body with cancer ....what that ultimately means is debatable.
 
ma70 said:
Everything is linked to cancer if you look hard enough. What study/hearsay are you referring to?
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Pharma companies have stated that literally every PPAR modulating drug they've either put into the market or scrapped after 10's to 100's of million dollars have been linked to cell proliferation and causing cancerous growth. Hearsay? More like look up the studies... Not just on GW but other ppar modulating drugs, it's been stated several times in studies that there was a link, now do I want this to be true? Hell no, PPAR modulators could quite well be the cure to obesity once we manage to tweak them enough and find out which agonistic effects are the best, so I'm simply just asking Dsade, a vastly knowledgeable individual his opinion on this matter... The "everything links to cancer" was completely irrelevant.
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
Pharma companies have stated that literally every PPAR modulating drug they've either put into the market or scrapped after 10's to 100's of million dollars have been linked to cell proliferation and causing cancerous growth. Hearsay? More like look up the studies... Not just on GW but other ppar modulating drugs, it's been stated several times in studies that there was a link, now do I want this to be true? Hell no, PPAR modulators could quite well be the cure to obesity once we manage to tweak them enough and find out which agonistic effects are the best, so I'm simply just asking Dsade, a vastly knowledgeable individual his opinion on this matter... The "everything links to cancer" was completely irrelevant.
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Not speaking for Dsade, but you have to put things into context here, drug vs botanical.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Not speaking for Dsade, but you have to put things into context here, drug vs botanical.
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I whole heartedly agree but at the same time natural products especially when formulated correctly can still have potent effects, now this wasn't post to spark debate just a simple question for his input, if somethings effective enough to work for its intended purpose it can be strong enough to work in unintended circumstances is all I'm saying
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
Pharma companies have stated that literally every PPAR modulating drug they've either put into the market or scrapped after 10's to 100's of million dollars have been linked to cell proliferation and causing cancerous growth. Hearsay? More like look up the studies... Not just on GW but other ppar modulating drugs, it's been stated several times in studies that there was a link, now do I want this to be true? Hell no, PPAR modulators could quite well be the cure to obesity once we manage to tweak them enough and find out which agonistic effects are the best, so I'm simply just asking Dsade, a vastly knowledgeable individual his opinion on this matter... The "everything links to cancer" was completely irrelevant.
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Fibrates and PPAR-gamma agonists like Rosiglitazone are still used pretty extensively, and studied.

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There are a lot of conflicting studies, especially with PPAR-delta and colon cancer, with no links established and, again, conflicting data -

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At most, the research seems to indicate a possible "factor" only - and that's for the PPAR-delta agonists.

"FABPs also bind to PPAR ligands and transport them from the cytosol into the nucleus [183–191]. In the nucleus, FABPs interact directly with PPARs and deliver ligands to PPARs, and the activity of PPARs is modulated [186, 187, 190–192]. Recently, Schug et al. showed that when the cellular retinoic acid binding protein-II (CRABP-II) expression levels were higher than FABP5 in the cells, retinoic acid (RA) bound to CRABP-II. Subsequently, CRABP-II relocated to the nucleus and delivered RA to RAR, resulting in inhibition of cell proliferation and induction of apoptosis [187, 193]. On the contrary, when the FABP5 to CRABP-II ratio is high, RA serves as a physiological ligand for PPARδ, which induces cell survival and proliferation [187, 194]. Therefore, it is important to identify the cytosolic ligand binding proteins and the expression levels of the proteins for defining the physiological effects of ligands. Furthermore, several ligands exert their biological effects through a PPAR-independent pathway [195]. Thus further studies are required to elucidate the role of PPARs for developing new efficiently and safety chemotherapeutic agents for cancer."
 
dsade said:
Fibrates and PPAR-gamma agonists like Rosiglitazone are still used pretty extensively, and studied.

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There are a lot of conflicting studies, especially with PPAR-delta and colon cancer, with no links established and, again, conflicting data -

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At most, the research seems to indicate a possible "factor" only - and that's for the PPAR-delta agonists.

"FABPs also bind to PPAR ligands and transport them from the cytosol into the nucleus [183–191]. In the nucleus, FABPs interact directly with PPARs and deliver ligands to PPARs, and the activity of PPARs is modulated [186, 187, 190–192]. Recently, Schug et al. showed that when the cellular retinoic acid binding protein-II (CRABP-II) expression levels were higher than FABP5 in the cells, retinoic acid (RA) bound to CRABP-II. Subsequently, CRABP-II relocated to the nucleus and delivered RA to RAR, resulting in inhibition of cell proliferation and induction of apoptosis [187, 193]. On the contrary, when the FABP5 to CRABP-II ratio is high, RA serves as a physiological ligand for PPARδ, which induces cell survival and proliferation [187, 194]. Therefore, it is important to identify the cytosolic ligand binding proteins and the expression levels of the proteins for defining the physiological effects of ligands. Furthermore, several ligands exert their biological effects through a PPAR-independent pathway [195]. Thus further studies are required to elucidate the role of PPARs for developing new efficiently and safety chemotherapeutic agents for cancer."
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Just when you wonder if Matt even knows what he is talking about....haha, JK
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
I whole heartedly agree but at the same time natural products especially when formulated correctly can still have potent effects, now this wasn't post to spark debate just a simple question for his input, if somethings effective enough to work for its intended purpose it can be strong enough to work in unintended circumstances is all I'm saying
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I definitely agree with you here. I spent a hell of a lot of time on DCP over the past 10 years, formulating it not just to bombard the receptor with ligands, but to increase the expression of both alpha and delta - then hit them with ligands in the perfect balance.

I also worked to hit the supporting pathways that support increased beta-oxidation, again not just splattering the receptor one-dimensioanlly.

Generally pharmaceutical companies can't patent "combinations" or formulas, and so they look for that magic bullet single compound/pathway that they can nuke and hope for the best. Stupid approach, IMO, and the reason they would love it if we were legislated off the face of the Earth.
 
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